Teh Widebody / Fendor FLURRRRR thread

[blkaplan]

There was a show room thread of WTF is Kaplan doing now? Well here is what I was doing.

Creating clearance for the weak link in my suspension..... tire width.

I still need to decide on a LSD but big tires can't hurt :cool:

I was very nervous to start cutting up my wagon but once the first cut was made it was x10.5" or bust.

Lawrence and I busted ass on this last week to get it done intime for Carlisle. Lawrences friend Adam also showed up to give a hand working the duraglass and let us use his DA. This was done on a pretty tight schedule, working 8am- 3am From sunday-thursday. Friday I ran out of time at 4am and had to drive back to DC to get parts for Travis so I had to hit the road with one side still drying. I will go back and redo the finishing on that side, but even now it still looks good.


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[Stereophile33]

nicework...any video from the autocross?

[MikeJr.]

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Nice. Thats f*cking sick man!

[Captain Bondo]

Cool. Strange way to approach it imo, but it looks like it does the job. :thumbsup:

[Wphsmike]

damn, that's ****ing sweet. Props, looks great:clap:

Love the wheels too.

[blkaplan]

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[Johann]

Not enough travel.. :oogle:

;-)

[blkaplan]

Not enough travel.. :oogle:

;-)

There plenty of travel

[RedFridge]

That sliced rim on the other car looks wicked.
A nice way to show off the brakes.

Sweet lip ya made there.

[stray]

wow... nicest flares ever.

[bigrichc]

Great work..........I'd never be brave enough to do that to my car.

[blkaplan]

Great work..........I'd never be brave enough to do that to my car.

I was nervous, its my first auto body project ever

[WheyDey]

beigepowaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr


cant believe no one's said it yet

[Vol242vo]

Yeeeeaaaaayyyeeeeeaaaahhh!:-D

[BDKR]

That's gorgeous! :)

[edicius]

holy ****, Its perfect. I also like the one of the rim cut in half to show the brakes.

[Josepilove]

isnt that tire a little skinny for the rim?

[shaved240]

what size tires?

[Poik]

Damn, ****ing great. That's how I thought I was going to approach mine, but you did it damn near perfect..

[blkaplan]

isnt that tire a little skinny for the rim?

Its called stretch, its style.... Very popular in the VW world

what size tires?

Race tires are

245 35 18 front on a 18x8

275 35 18 rear on a 18x10.5

[McLovin]

That sliced rim on the other car looks wicked.
A nice way to show off the brakes.

Sweet lip ya made there.



Why cut up a good rim?

[jungledorifuto]

super flush FTW. i like the way those rims are staggard, kinda like how z32 tt rims are made to be staggard

[blkaplan]

Why cut up a good rim?

look at the 780 thread.................... :roll:

[jungledorifuto]

i wanna see it sideways

[shaved240]

Its called stretch, its style.... Very popular in the VW world



Race tires are

245 35 18 front on a 18x8

275 35 18 rear on a 18x10.5

now get enough power to actually spin those tires :-P

and did you use any special tool to shape the metal?

[blkaplan]

now get enough power to actually spin those tires :-P

and did you use any special tool to shape the metal?

I still dont have good acceleration out of off camber corners. :-( Needs more clutches in teh diff

[towerymt]

Why cut up a good rim?
how 780 a cut up rim can support?

[Matt Dupuis]

how 780 a cut up rim can support?
1/4

[Super1800GTR]

What's the offset on the wheels? I'm still debating wether or not I should do this to fit wider tires or just run 255s. I need to replace the fender lips anyways... I would have blended the rear part into the 1/4 a little more to make it look more stock but that's just me. Looks good man.

[Dr Dokeh]

The BneMobile is looking BEEFY

[Chrisco]

http://www.pbase.com/blkaplan/image/79160318.jpg
:omg: Right on! Those are HUGE!

[blkaplan]

What's the offset on the wheels? I'm still debating wether or not I should do this to fit wider tires or just run 255s. I need to replace the fender lips anyways... I would have blended the rear part into the 1/4 a little more to make it look more stock but that's just me. Looks good man.


et65 :omg:

[jungledorifuto]

what rear aero are you playing with there?

[Captain Bondo]

et65 :omg:

Wuss. Hehehe. Come on now, I sorta have to since we're like sibling rivals with 18x10.5 on 240 wagons. :rofl: Anyways, they still look insane man! :nod:

So speaking of which what's your advice on tires anyways? I'm thinking 285/30 for the rear. the 275 seems pretty streteched.

I have no idea on the fronts. What is a "normal" size that sits square on a 9" wide and is a reasonable diameter? 255/35 or something? /mini threadjack

[jungledorifuto]

a 255/35 will sit almost square. a 255/45 will

[NChoy]

Why cut up a good rim?

Dude... you shoulda seen that rim before it got cut. It looked like a potato chip on one side. I saw it at Ben's house and was like, "Whoa, dude..." and they were like, "Oh no, they're cutting it up for the show."

Now I see method behind the madness.

[towerymt]

I have no idea on the fronts. What is a "normal" size that sits square on a 9" wide and is a reasonable diameter? 255/35 or something? /mini threadjack
245/45/16 on my 9.5" are barely stretched, if not vertical (Toyo RA1 r-comp). When I put the wheel down, the lip just barely hits the ground. I'd go with 245 on a 9.

There's a local autocrosser who had 285/30 on his E36 for autocross, but then started co-driving someone else's car and put his to street duty only. He had 295/30/18 on the rear wheels that were probably 10 or 10.5". Looked like a perfect fit (kumho SPT).

Dude... you shoulda seen that rim before it got cut. It looked like a potato chip on one side.
It was bent between two spokes. If the lip was bent in line with a spoke, it would have touched it.

[shaved240]

i run 325s on my car

[Tom Wiley]

I don't care what anyone says. I want BNE's wagon.

[klr142]

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*shakes head* That's not a Volvo 245 anymore. It's just not right.

Its called stretch, its style.... Very popular in the VW world
Not to mention it allows you to run super wide wheels that wouldn't otherwise fit if you put wider sized tires on...

[blkaplan]

Not to mention it allows you to run super wide wheels that wouldn't otherwise fit if you put wider sized tires on...

That is true but is not applicable in my situation. :cool:

[holyoly253]

Just when I thought 240's died out for me I see this. This is AWESOME!

[V8BRICK]

looks bad-ace mang!

[262 grand national]

So you have a 60 et on thoes rims and I would assume that you have 35mm and 25mm on there right?

[blkaplan]

So you have a 60 et on thoes rims and I would assume that you have 35mm and 25mm on there right?


I had some mega studs made, no adapter junk here. Adapters in photos were mockup only.

using a 25, 32, and a 16.5 :-P

only need really about 60 to clear though.

[jungledorifuto]

"Not to mention it allows you to run super wide wheels that wouldn't otherwise fit if you put wider sized tires on..." - klr142


That is true but is not applicable in my situation. :cool:

"Creating clearance for the weak link in my suspension..... tire width." -blkaplan

you said this in your first post.. wouldn't that be an applicable statement to why you are running a minor stretch?

[blkaplan]

"Not to mention it allows you to run super wide wheels that wouldn't otherwise fit if you put wider sized tires on..." - klr142




"Creating clearance for the weak link in my suspension..... tire width." -blkaplan

you said this in your first post.. wouldn't that be an applicable statement to why you are running a minor stretch?

the stretch is on my street wheels, street as in non racing wheels. I have dedicated rims for racing, the BBS LM's I have 275's on them and also have 285's waiting as a backup.

Even with the old tires i have on the street wheels the grip is better then the 225 azenis i had on my eikers. I think alot of it has to do with my new found track width

[jungledorifuto]

yea that will make a difference, i had an s12 that i threw some 0 offset 16s on and the whole car sunk down a good inch and went to about -2 degree camber just from increasing the track on the old independent single arm suspension

[blkaplan]

Teh front studs and teh rear studs

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[Matt Dupuis]

You're not compensating for anything, are you Ben? Thems are some long studs.

[blkaplan]

You're not compensating for anything, are you Ben? Thems are some long studs.

stupid et 65 wheels. oh well... I gots da grips now and the ability to basically run any offset wheel i can find. :-P

[mikes02ls1]

stupid et 65 wheels. oh well... I gots da grips now and the ability to basically run any offset wheel i can find. :-P
So what et you would run on a 89 740 wagon? I want to jump on the Volks buy when the cash comes in.. I want to fit the widest tire in back without spacers.. 17in of course....

[blkaplan]

So what et you would run on a 89 740 wagon? I want to jump on the Volks buy when the cash comes in.. I want to fit the widest tire in back without spacers.. 17in of course....
if you want no spacers you need an et 0 wheel. when using anything 9.5" or wider more or less.

I was actually thinking of putting a 740 axle in my car.

Its 2" wider / each side... that means i would only need a 16.5mm spacer / side to fit teh lm's


and all the skinnier stuff would fill out the fender flurrrrrrrs nicely.

[Tick]

Too cool. What do disgusting wide wheels in the rear do to handling?

[blkaplan]

make it go much faster around the same corners.

[Tick]

Traction is always better. But seems like it would change the handling, more to understeer?

[blkaplan]

Traction is always better. But seems like it would change the handling, more to understeer?

Wasn't an issue at the autox.

The car has always suffered from a lack of rear grip. The Front to rear ratio should really help it out.

I can always put a rear sway on if its too much

or just change the spring rates.

everything is adjustable... tons of ways to get the balance that i want.

[262 grand national]

I have been trying to figure out a way to get just 275s under there. Now if you did not have the Adjustable Trailing Arms that you make, would the rim fit? One other thing , what do those rims with the 60et come off of? Great job you have given me some hope for the gn motor and traction. :P
Chris

[blkaplan]

I have been trying to figure out a way to get just 275s under there. Now if you did not have the Adjustable Trailing Arms that you make, would the rim fit? One other thing , what do those rims with the 60et come off of? Great job you have given me some hope for the gn motor and traction. :P
Chris


Ferrari 360 rims.

without the trailing arms more spacers are needed. but it could still be done...

either way you have to cut to fit x10.5 wheel

[Captain Bondo]

I have been trying to figure out a way to get just 275s under there. Now if you did not have the Adjustable Trailing Arms that you make, would the rim fit? One other thing , what do those rims with the 60et come off of? Great job you have given me some hope for the gn motor and traction. :P
Chris

Don't you have an 8.8? If you do and it is set up like I set up mine, you have 19mm per side of wider track, which means you should be fine with ET10-ET15.
My 10.5" wheels are ET12 so with the 8.8 they are like ET-5. Inside clearance is fine. Screw the giant studs/spacers man.

[blkaplan]

Don't you have an 8.8? If you do and it is set up like I set up mine, you have 19mm per side of wider track, which means you should be fine with ET10-ET15.
My 10.5" wheels are ET12 so with the 8.8 they are like ET-5. Inside clearance is fine. Screw the giant studs/spacers man.

I am tempted to install a 740 axle,,,, that would remove the spacers.... or just get lower offset barrels

this will work for now.

[norcal505]

NIce.
Hellzzzaa nice.
btw...the red paint is the ultimate "gangsta" touch

[blkaplan]

NIce.
Hellzzzaa nice.
btw...the red paint is the ultimate "gangsta" touch


its brown.

red primer

[towerymt]

I have been trying to figure out a way to get just 275s under there.
You could pull the quarter panels ~1.5-1.75" (measured just above the mudflap) and fit a 275 on a 10" without much hassle, and without totally reshaping the arch like he did. That's a style preference, not a requirement to fit the wheel. If you're doing it for drag tires, just buy some bolt-on custom steel wheels. 9.5" ET0 fits just fine to the inside on a 240 with stock trailing arms and the upper shock bolt still there, but with the axle centered of course. That would measure 5.25" backspacing from the hub to the inner most edge of the rim. Then just pull the front side to fit whatever width you need.

[klr142]

Ybut with the axle centered of course.
As soon as he hits the gas I don't think it'll be centered anymore...

[262 grand national]

You could pull the quarter panels ~1.5-1.75" (measured just above the mudflap) and fit a 275 on a 10" without much hassle, and without totally reshaping the arch like he did. That's a style preference, not a requirement to fit the wheel. If you're doing it for drag tires, just buy some bolt-on custom steel wheels. 9.5" ET0 fits just fine to the inside on a 240 with stock trailing arms and the upper shock bolt still there, but with the axle centered of course. That would measure 5.25" backspacing from the hub to the inner most edge of the rim. Then just pull the front side to fit whatever width you need. You seem to know A LOT more than me. As for the rearend I had it taken down a little. I don't have to run spacers with the s80 rims I have, only in the front.

[kahlua240]

i wanna see pics of the other side

[towerymt]

As soon as he hits the gas I don't think it'll be centered anymore...
Then set it to be centered when the ass drops on acceleration. I don't think you want a whole lot of compression travel for drag racing, do you?

[jpbturbo]

Then set it to be centered when the ass drops on acceleration. I don't think you want a whole lot of compression travel for drag racing, do you?

Sometimes big drag cars have a lot of squat when they race.
I don't know if it's really that good but it seems to help with the weight transfer onto the back wheels and stuff.

[Hank Scorpio]

Sometimes big drag cars have a lot of squat when they race.
I don't know if it's really that good but it seems to help with the weight transfer onto the back wheels and stuff.

You do. You want soft shocks and midly decent rear springs. You want to keep that load as focused on the rear axle as possible.

[towerymt]

You do. You want soft shocks and midly decent rear springs. You want to keep that load as focused on the rear axle as possible.
The front should lift, but the rear shouldn't be dropping. Soft rear shocks may lead to wheel hop. What's are "midly decent rear springs"? I'd want relatively firm rear springs and soft front springs with soft rebound on the front and firm compression on the rear.

[Tick]

soft rebound on the front and firm compression on the rear.

That's what she said.

[badvlvo]

Squatting isn't always the best when drag racing. If the suspension is set up properly, there will not be a dramatic squat as the car is already set up to plant thte rear tires. That can get complicated when dealing with Volvo's as there are not alot of drag racers who build them. The front should rise and the rear should stay the same in a perfect world. My Mercury was running 1.6 60ft on drag radials, no squat. Stiff rear springs that sat about 1" lower than stock, an airbag in the pass side coil and Lakewood drag shocks in the back. The front was a swaybar delete and the 20+ year old factory struts to give the lift in the front. It worked well.

[PRVersion]

you need more pics between the just-welded-up stage (sinfully ugly) to the finished product (yummy stage)...cause i could do that inital bit no problem, lol.

bondo? glass?

[fidel]

you need more pics between the just-welded-up stage (sinfully ugly) to the finished product (yummy stage)...cause i could do that inital bit no problem, lol.

bondo? glass?

grind dow the ugly welds. duraglass, sand, duraglass, sand, filler primer, sand, primer, wet sand, paint. i left out a couple steps but you get the idea.

[Bigbegum69]

can you post a picture of what the inside fender looks like.... thankyou.

[blkaplan]

can you post a picture of what the inside fender looks like.... thankyou.

I will try to take some, We basically made the inner lip folded flat so there is not the stock ridge,

I will get some pics.

[bwb3]

amazing job, whats the back spacing for the rear tires?

[norcal505]

damn man
your car is freakin sweet
and the bbs lm's.....

ohh....im frothing!!
--and at the price may i say, i was checking them out on tirerack just now...and jesus christ!!!

[blkaplan]

amazing job, whats the back spacing for the rear tires?

The overall spacing with wheels and spacers is 18x10.5 et1

[bwb3]

thanks, where did you order them, tire rack? part #?