242 Drift Car

[242turbo9]

hey guys, im just getting my 242 running and want to start modding it. Stock B21FT. I want to do a little drifting towards the end of the summer. Do you think turning the boost up to 15psi, ported 90+ manifold, some kind of cam, and a 3 in exhaust all the way back would be good enough power to get his thing sideways? I only have IPD sways on it right now. Do you think i should just throw some springs on it? Or should i get coilovers for sure? I'm only planning on attending one drift event, then i want to take it apart over the winter. Any imput would be appricated.

[BrickBaller]

More important than anything on that list is getting away from the open differential in the back, either a posi, a locker, or just weld it tight.

[yarsoon]

stage 0
weld diff
drift
repair during winter
..... sounds like fun :-D

[242turbo9]

oh yeah i forgot about that. Are there anygood what kind of diff. would be good for drifting for a 242? Where can i find it? I'm going to be doing serious drift events, so dont you think i'd need a little extra power?

[ThePOWERtoRULE]

Are there anygood what kind of diff. would be good for drifting for a 242?

Yes, the welded kind.

It was mentioned above.

[blkaplan]

you wont be able to get enough spring rate and negative camber w/ sport springs.

coilovers is definitely the correct option.

[rclark]

You drift anything no matter the power with the right driver, and a welded diff. Look at hachi-roku's.. those make maybe 85rwhp stock; they drift great. So weld the diff and start learning. Getting rid of roll is another big bonus, makes the car much easier to control when sliding. ^ Buy his coilovers too.

[Volvorules]

You drift anything no matter the power with the right driver, and a welded diff. Look at hachi-roku's.. those make maybe 85rwhp stock; they drift great.

Yeah, and an AE86 weighs JUST a bit less than a 242, right?

Anyway, more power would be good, but I would start with the basics. Suspension and diff are VERY important. Once you have those set up, you can start adding power. Coilovers with stiff springs (I run 500F, 400R) and a nice diff (mine is currently welded) would make it so much easier.

If you want some info, you can check out the thread about my car: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=64485

Good luck!

[John V, outside agitator]

Yeah, and an AE86 weighs JUST a bit less than a 242, right?

Anyway, more power would be good, but I would start with the basics. Suspension and diff are VERY important. Once you have those set up, you can start adding power. Coilovers with stiff springs (I run 500F, 400R) and a nice diff (mine is currently welded) would make it so much easier.

If you want some info, you can check out the thread about my car: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=64485

Good luck!

And of course the AE86 boys run them totally stock,too, right??
Take the springs right out and run 'er on the bumpstops, that's what I've been advising boys lately

[blkaplan]

And of course the AE86 boys run them totally stock,too, right??
Take the springs right out and run 'er on the bumpstops, that's what I've been advising boys lately

bumpstops = infinite spring rate. mission accomplished.

[rclark]

And of course the AE86 boys run them totally stock,too, right??
Take the springs right out and run 'er on the bumpstops, that's what I've been advising boys lately

quite a few around here do, and they do great. just going by my personal experiance, no need to flame. just my .02 cents. anyways, in my opinion suspension is more important. my 100rwhp stock engine 242 drifted great w/ a welded diff, springs and shocks, so i figured that would be a good start over trying to make more power w/ a stock suspension.

[RS1]

What kind of springs have the highest spring rate if using the original suspension setup?

[John V, outside agitator]

quite a few around here do, and they do great. just going by my personal experiance, no need to flame. just my .02 cents. anyways, in my opinion suspension is more important. my 100rwhp stock engine 242 drifted great w/ a welded diff, springs and shocks, so i figured that would be a good start over trying to make more power w/ a stock suspension.

Nobody's flaming anybody, kid. Keep yer shirt on. This is TURBOBRICKS,joking and poking a little fun is the Standard Operating Procedure here.

And seriously when you are replying to something, if you include a bit of what you're responding to then a sentance like "quite a few around here do....." might make sense rather than just being baffling.

By the way while we're talking about going sideways (a great passtime by the way, I fully approve---way better than prancing around trying miss hitting terrifying orange cones)
are you namedafter the great Ford Escort rally driver Roger Clark?

Google him or Google-vid him,yeeeeee haww! sideways! (on narrow roads with scary sheet 2 feet away)

[John V, outside agitator]

What kind of springs have the highest spring rate if using the original suspension setup?

All the stock springs are sheeet.
ALL

And if you are thinking of springs, you MUST think about dampening at the same time, they HAVE to match. And BE VERY WARY. there is some bad info thrown about here.

[Mueller]

What kind of springs have the highest spring rate if using the original suspension setup?

You can get springs up in the 1000 lb-in range if you want.....as with most things, this is one of those items that biggest/highest is not a good idea....

from what I gather, stock springs are in the low 100 range, most aftermarket (IPD, fcp groton) offer springs in the mid to high 100's....anything higher and the springs are custom or the method for attaching them to the vehicle is non-stock

a few people here are running something like 300-400 in the front with 50-75 less rate springs in the rear....

[kyote]

I'm running 275/250 f/r with bilstein HD's, it's a good setup for me. A little bone-jarring, but not too bad.

[340GL]

quite a few around here do, and they do great. just going by my personal experiance, no need to flame. just my .02 cents. anyways, in my opinion suspension is more important. my 100rwhp stock engine 242 drifted great w/ a welded diff, springs and shocks, so i figured that would be a good start over trying to make more power w/ a stock suspension.

your 2/100ths of a cent?:rofl:

[Homer]

All the stock springs are sheeet.
ALL

And if you are thinking of springs, you MUST think about dampening at the same time, they HAVE to match. And BE VERY WARY. there is some bad info thrown about here.

Boy racer bounce.
I have some up front. :oops:
bne, bumpstops have a spring rate.;-)

[adrianpike]

way better than prancing around trying miss hitting terrifying orange cones)

hey those cones are mighty terrifying when your yearly racing budget consists of some pocket lint and whatever you can fish out of the cushions in your couch.

What kind of springs have the highest spring rate if using the original suspension setup?

The kind you buy from SCP or a comparable race shop, and shloonk in there in place of the stock granny-friendly volvo crap.

[mikep]

from what I gather, stock springs are in the low 100 range,120, from memory.

hey those cones are mighty terrifying when your yearly racing budget consists of some pocket lint and whatever you can fish out of the cushions in your couch.
Hey, it's JV. I don't take it personally, I still love to cone-squash but I see what he means about flying sideways on dirt.
I liked rallycross on my one time out so far, but even that is nothing compared to running 70mph down a logging road in my youth..(how did I survive all that, anyway?)

Anyway, since this is a drift thread, I will throw out my thoughts and observations.

I like a car that is a little loose by nature. The time I drove Rob's drift 242, I thought it was a bit too loose, probably too much rear rate. It had decent power, and would get way slippery. He has (I think) 450# front 400# rear, and felt good overall. The locked rear was probably why it pushed (for Towery), then snapped the tail out. I didn't have too much trouble controlling it, but like I said, I like a loose car. Sideways feels normal to me.

You could get some decent shocks and struts like the Bilstein HDs, some 400# coilover springs to run without sleeves (search for towerymt's thread) for the front, and some 325-350# rears to go with the stock sways.
Get a posi, weld it up, whatever.
Most importantly, drive it sideways as much as you can. Dirt, parking lots, NO streets. Be safe, have fun, and report back to us.