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500dollar744ti
12-14-2007, 02:07 PM
Standard Installation
(Runs spark output from Fidle Pin 30)

The objective of this article is to successfully assist those wanting a hassle free approach to install to MSnS-E on a LH2.2/EZK117 car or make plug and play adapters.

This procedure is a guaranteed way to convert your 1988-1989 740 Turbo to MSnS-E! If you have a 1985-1987 740/760 Turbo you will have to use good judgement in deciding if you want to do it this way due to the failure rate of the insulation on a stock harness. For those running any sort of +T setup using LH2.2/EZK117 computers from a 700 Turbo in their car, this will be a very helpful guide in converting to Megasquirt but since you swapped in stock parts from another car to make yours turbo I cannot guarantee anything.

This diagram utilizes the stock wiring harness in a 740 Turbo to install the MSnS-E you bought from Benflynn. You must be using the stock EZK117 distributor, 850 TPS sensor, GM IAT sensor installed before turbo inlet, stock volvo coolant temperature sensor AND a Saab 139 ignitor. A stock 124 ignitor can be used but they are not dwell smart and using the Saab module is what this is designed for.

I spent A LOT of time making this and I purposely kept the diagram at a high resolution to make it easy on the eyes, so get out your beers or whatever keeps you happy and follow these steps!

*See instructions at bottom of this post for adding idle control. Do not attempt to add idle control before installing a TIP122 transistor at Q5 inside the MS box. If you have done this and wish to add MS idle control use the diagram under idle control at the bottom accordingly!*

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Wire from the DB37 connector to LH/EZK harness as outlined in the picture, there is no reason for me to explain it because I will outline anything that would be abnormal to wiring something like say an aftermarket stereo. You can cut your stock harness and splice in that way. You can also go to the junkyard and pick up an LH2.2 and EZK117 box to take apart and make adapters concealing all your wiring, that's how I did it.

1) Pin 1 from the existing AMM connector is already grounded for you and it goes to ground on the IAT sensor.

2) Pin 6 on your existing AMM connector is the signal line for the IAT sensor going to MS.

3) Go into the fusebox and remove the brown wire that supplies power to Fuse #1, splice it into another power wire that is on switched 12v from the ignition switch when it is in the run (II) position. Make sure whatever source you use is fused, (I used the blue/red feed going to the fuse directly below Fuse #1 because that is switched 12v) This is VERY important, if you skip this step your fuel pump will run at all times when the key is off and cause horrible flooding in the cylinders.

4) The stock overpressure switch remains in place so if you want to use it, leave it there, if you have not already bypassed it and don't want to use it, do it now.

5) Pin 1 of the IAC is TPS signal. (IAC is not used here, adjust idle with thumbscrew on throttle body!) This leaves you with two pins running to the IAC connector if you wish to add the bosch 2-wire IAC in the future.

6) Pin 2 of the stock TPS needs to be removed, next move wire from IAC pin 1 (step 5) to this hole, do it whatever way pleases you, I used a black wire and covered it because that looks nice.

7) Swap the wire that was originally in TPS pin 2 here (empty hole for pin 3). IT HAS BEEN FOUND THAT DEPENDING ON YOUR TPS CLOCKING PINS 1 & 3 MAY NEED TO BE SWITCHED IN ORDER TO OBTAIN CORRECT TPS SIGNAL!

8) EZK box- Volvo has already run the wires you need to go from the EZK connector to the LH2.2 connector so this makes things simpler!

9) This pin is your WB02 input to megasquirt, it is the little jumper in the harness next to the LH box. It is a simple spade connector and I used it because it makes wiring O2 output to the adapter wiring easy. If you want to use your STOCK O2 sensor, MS pin 23 will need to go to LH pin 20 instead of 19 which is where i have it in the pinout.

10) EZK jumper wire from pin 8 to 24, redirects dizzy signal line to megasquirt using the stock wires.

11) Jump pin 6 to 4 with 10 ohm resistor inline, supplies dizzy power using stock wires. I did this all inside an old EZK box but drew the line outside because it is easier to see.

12) Jump pins 12/10 to pin 20 to supply ground for the dizzy and knock sensor. I do not have a knock sensor wired to MS but if i ever choose to, this will already have it grounded for me.

13) Jump pin 17 to 16, this redirects ignitor module signal back to MS.

14) Pin 5 needs to be moved to pin 6 when using a Saab 139.

15) Saab (Bosch) 139 module, get one from a 900/9000 turbo, it's located on the driver side fender near the strut tower.

WELL, I guess that is it then, if you do this and load a decent base map with trigger and ReqFuel changed for your setup, the car will start!

SEE I am not as dumb as I look, please critique this, I'm sure some things need to be edited or questions answered!

I HOPE that this helps. :-P


Idle Control Circuit Added
(Fidle Pin 30 used for idle control and spark output on Pin 25)

Here is the diagram updated for those who wish to use Megasquirt idle control.

You must install a TIP122 in place of Q5 per Ms1-Extra manuals before proceeding.

You will find the instructions for modifying the Q5 transistor here: http://www.msextra.com/manuals/MS_Extra_Hardware_Manual.htm#Fidle
If these instructions go way over your head, don't worry, just use the standard install above and upgrade to idle control later.

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16) 2-wire idle control valve from LH2.4 car. Currently your LH2.2 car will have a 3 wire connector here. You have already stolen one of the pins to use on your 850 TPS senser per instructions for standard install. This leaves you with two pins. One of the pins supplys power to the idle valve (it is already set up to do so), the other pin goes to MS for grounding the signal. You will need to swap a 2 pin Bosch connector in place of the 3 wire connector. Pin 1 of the 2.4 valve is power, pin 2 of the 2.4 valve is the wire going to MS. If you have re-pinned the wires on the MS box so that MS pin 25 now is spark and MS pin 30 goes to the idle valve this should all work nicely.

Be sure to change your settings in Megatune so SparkA is on Led17 and Fidle output is idle control.

linuxman51
12-14-2007, 02:20 PM
if you are triggering both sides of the stock fuel pump relay off of the ms, you will blow out the fuel pump relay circuit on the board. I HIGHLY recommend having the ms trigger a standard 40 amp relay and have that relay hit both sides of the volvo relay.

500dollar744ti
12-14-2007, 02:27 PM
if you are triggering both sides of the stock fuel pump relay off of the ms, you will blow out the fuel pump relay circuit on the board. I HIGHLY recommend having the ms trigger a standard 40 amp relay and have that relay hit both sides of the volvo relay.

hasn't boris740 been doing it for months now? i took it as being okay because of his setup and how well it's been running.

how long does it take to kill the f/p relay driver? or rather who has had the happen and how long did it take for them?

how much current is used by the two 15amp relay coils as opposed to the single 40 amp relay coil?

MrBill
12-14-2007, 02:37 PM
hasn't boris740 been doing it for months now? i took it as being okay because of his setup and how well it's been running.

how long does it take to kill the f/p relay driver? or rather who has had the happen and how long did it take for them?

how much current is used by the two 15amp relay coils as opposed to the single 40 amp relay coil?

matt just put a relay in-line, should take like 15 minutes to wire

500dollar744ti
12-14-2007, 02:41 PM
matt just put a relay in-line, should take like 15 minutes to wire

well i want to understand why it is a problem before i go changing it... if i knew how much current was drawn but the two small coils in the stock relay being energized compared to a single larger 40 amp relay coil...

i will go measure amp draw in just a bit and compare the two.

linuxman51
12-14-2007, 02:45 PM
well i want to understand why it is a problem before i go changing it... if i knew how much current was drawn but the two small coils in the stock relay being energized compared to a single larger 40 amp relay coil...

i will go measure amp draw in just a bit and compare the two.

its about the same size coil as you would find in a 40amp unit, X2. sometimes they'll last for a little while before blowing the transistor up, sometimes it happens right away. Kinda like you have a little leeway if you put low z injectors on the car setup for hi z with no resistors, you get a little bit of time before the injector driver suffers a nuclear meltdown

500dollar744ti
12-14-2007, 02:52 PM
its about the same size coil as you would find in a 40amp unit, X2. sometimes they'll last for a little while before blowing the transistor up, sometimes it happens right away. Kinda like you have a little leeway if you put low z injectors on the car setup for hi z with no resistors, you get a little bit of time before the injector driver suffers a nuclear meltdown

well i will go see what they are drawing because i am very curious now... suppose the stock relay draws the same or less than a standard 40 amp, can i leave it like it is?

benflynn
12-14-2007, 02:52 PM
nice matt

am i the only one w/iat after the ic?



we should upgrade the fpump driver, or use the zx450 to trigger a bigger fet

benflynn
12-14-2007, 02:56 PM
did you use the colors from the std msns(rsautosport) harness?

500dollar744ti
12-14-2007, 02:59 PM
did you use the colors from the std msns(rsautosport) harness?

those are the colors from the MS info site, i can change them to whatever is best to match what is currently in use and update it.

linuxman51
12-14-2007, 03:11 PM
well i will go see what they are drawing because i am very curious now... suppose the stock relay draws the same or less than a standard 40 amp, can i leave it like it is?

you have, in essence, created a parallel circuit and are opperating two relays at the same time, each with a coil approx the same as the 1 40 amp, you're cutting resistance and sending extra voltage into the ms box, for which it is not designed to cope with.

http://www.electronics-lab.com/articles/basics/theory/parallel.htm

linuxman51
12-14-2007, 03:12 PM
nice matt

am i the only one w/iat after the ic?



we should upgrade the fpump driver, or use the zx450 to trigger a bigger fet

nah no need to bother, just get a $3 relay from autozone and rock out.

500dollar744ti
12-14-2007, 06:16 PM
here's my research on the fuel pump relay..

a ztx450 is rated at 1A, specified here- http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=ZTX450-ND

a ztx450 drives the fuel pump relay correct?

i measured amp draw on a standard autozone 40A relay and got 0.16A with relay coil energized. i then measured a stock volvo white fuel pump relay utilizing the same circuit but energizing both coils in parallel and measuring amp draw. i measured 0.29A, which makes Kenny correct about both of the coils being about twice that of a single coil when energized. however based on the 1.0A rating of the ztx450 transistor there is no reason why either route should burn it out. Boris said he has been running his since day one and that has been years.

yes, i could just swap in a $3 relay BUT i really wanted to find out what everything was drawing based on curiousity to put it out there. if the ztx450 is what drives it and the 1.0A rating is legit, i see no reason why running the stock relay would be a problem unless multiple people can testify to problems doing it. that is just my 2 cents, please give your input.

benflynn
12-14-2007, 06:38 PM
mine has been triggering the stock fp relay since 05, but bad fp relays use to burn old pink 541 lh boxes i heard back in the day, the ztx450 is less than a doller and easy enough to pull out w/atleast a 10$ desoldering iron, so go for it

500dollar744ti
12-14-2007, 06:48 PM
mine has been triggering the stock fp relay since 05, but bad fp relays use to burn old pink 541 lh boxes i heard back in the day, the ztx450 is less than a doller and easy enough to pull out w/atleast a 10$ desoldering iron, so go for it

not to mention i have a box full of stock relays that have been reflowed and dated.

500dollar744ti
12-14-2007, 11:14 PM
well if someone else successfully gets their car running on MS using this article and posts that they have done it i will feel like i have accomplished something.

Matt Dupuis
12-15-2007, 01:17 AM
am i the only one w/iat after the ic?
I find Megasquirt can't cope with IAT sensor heat soak. It gets deadly lean on hot starts, and to some degree on extended periods of bumper-bumper traffic. The only way I've ever gotten around this is to zip-tie the IAT sensor to the bumper shock, i.e., read actual ambient air temp.

Granted, I've only used MSNS-Extra to 029T or something, and MSII (stock). Neither of them had decent IAT compensation curves. Maybe something newer does now - I haven't played with my own megasquirt for a couple years now.

MrBill
12-15-2007, 04:12 AM
I find Megasquirt can't cope with IAT sensor heat soak. It gets deadly lean on hot starts, and to some degree on extended periods of bumper-bumper traffic. The only way I've ever gotten around this is to zip-tie the IAT sensor to the bumper shock, i.e., read actual ambient air temp.

Granted, I've only used MSNS-Extra to 029T or something, and MSII (stock). Neither of them had decent IAT compensation curves. Maybe something newer does now - I haven't played with my own megasquirt for a couple years now.

I totally have the IAT post i/c. Its mounted 1/2 way between i/c and TB.

I havent noticed bad hot-starts, or any other problems with heat-soak. Although it is in a skinny aluminum hacked-up 740 cold-side

Matt Dupuis
12-15-2007, 10:39 AM
Lots of people think I'm crazy as they have never noticed bad hot restarts, but it was a pretty hot topic (sorry for the pun) on MSEFI among the more picky tuners. I've always tried to get it to run like an OEM system at ALL times, not just making it run well at WOT like some others do.

Lord_Athlon
12-15-2007, 01:17 PM
I have my iat rubber grommet and epoxy insulated from the ic pipe, next to the outlet of my npr. never had an issue with hotstarts.

MrBill
12-15-2007, 01:30 PM
Lots of people think I'm crazy as they have never noticed bad hot restarts, but it was a pretty hot topic (sorry for the pun) on MSEFI among the more picky tuners. I've always tried to get it to run like an OEM system at ALL times, not just making it run well at WOT like some others do.

in the manfold would surely (quit calling me shirly!) create a hotstart issue. I have been pretty anal trying to get my cold-start values correct (with limited success), but hotstart is 2-3 cranks and it runs like a champ.

I might have to play around with it. I remember someone saying it helps with fine-tuning to have it pre-turbo (simply ambient) but I had a bung already so I put it in the pipes.

Matt Dupuis
12-15-2007, 01:35 PM
I'm sorry, I shouldn't be emphasizing hot STARTS, because that's not where the problem is. The cranking table determines how the engine starts, hot or cold. It's once the engine's running that the IAT correction and heat soak shows up. I noticed it most after a hot start but also during bumper-bumper traffic where underhood temps got way higher than normal.

Keep in mind that if the injector opening time is wrong, everything's going to show up the most at idle. If you've done any datalogging in normal day-day city driving, you'll see that you spend about 70% of your time idling (under 1200 RPM, anyway), therefore it kind of affects how the car feels. In bumper-bumper traffic, it's closer to 90% at idle, and with the car running terribly lean it gets frustrating quickly. Ditto for pulling out of a mall parking lot after a quick trip inside, and the car is bucking and bogging while people are all around. Embarrasing.

DecalServiceBrett
12-15-2007, 02:57 PM
/end thread jack?

Nice writeup matt-o

Matt Dupuis
12-15-2007, 04:45 PM
/end thread jack?

haha, yeah... I'll shut up now. I've beat this drum plenty of times in our Megasquirt forum as well as on MSEFI.

500dollar744ti
12-15-2007, 11:51 PM
wiring diagram UPDATED to better illustrate pull-up (1k ohm) resistor placement.

linuxman51
12-16-2007, 03:48 AM
here's my research on the fuel pump relay..

a ztx450 is rated at 1A, specified here- http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=ZTX450-ND

a ztx450 drives the fuel pump relay correct?

i measured amp draw on a standard autozone 40A relay and got 0.16A with relay coil energized. i then measured a stock volvo white fuel pump relay utilizing the same circuit but energizing both coils in parallel and measuring amp draw. i measured 0.29A, which makes Kenny correct about both of the coils being about twice that of a single coil when energized. however based on the 1.0A rating of the ztx450 transistor there is no reason why either route should burn it out. Boris said he has been running his since day one and that has been years.

yes, i could just swap in a $3 relay BUT i really wanted to find out what everything was drawing based on curiousity to put it out there. if the ztx450 is what drives it and the 1.0A rating is legit, i see no reason why running the stock relay would be a problem unless multiple people can testify to problems doing it. that is just my 2 cents, please give your input.

hope you don't burn a trace off the board....

MrBill
12-16-2007, 12:13 PM
hope you don't burn a trace off the board....

i said the same on friday, it may not be the transistor, but the actual circuit in the board.

Matt you should make a thread on msefi/msextra

benflynn
12-17-2007, 12:25 PM
i have not had any problems w/mine short a weird lean run in the dyno after some time to cool down, mine is in the new cold pipe it is not even alum

500dollar744ti
01-03-2008, 08:46 PM
anybody played with this info yet? people need to realize megasquirt is super easy to install when you prepare for it...

will be adding the idle control info soon.

Raz
01-03-2008, 10:17 PM
holy crap
I had to sawzall the connector off an old LH2.2 ... still dunno where the EZK is, lol -
those LH2.2 boards are put together by sixteen strong horses and their friends! couldn't even desolder it with a torch!!! :D lol

- Raz

500dollar744ti
01-03-2008, 11:15 PM
holy crap
I had to sawzall the connector off an old LH2.2 ... still dunno where the EZK is, lol -
those LH2.2 boards are put together by sixteen strong horses and their friends! couldn't even desolder it with a torch!!! :D lol

- Raz

crazy, i just desoldered mine.

Poik
01-11-2008, 01:00 AM
So if we are going to be using the LH2.2 idle control valve, should all of the wiring in this thread be followed, or did you redo any of the wiring when you added that?

500dollar744ti
01-11-2008, 08:41 AM
So if we are going to be using the LH2.2 idle control valve, should all of the wiring in this thread be followed, or did you redo any of the wiring when you added that?

if you want to do the idle control run pin 25 to ignition and fidle pin 30 to the idle valve signal ground... let me update for that.

500dollar744ti
01-11-2008, 09:14 AM
i have added instructions for MS idle on the first post of instructions... please let me know if anything needs clarification.

benflynn
01-11-2008, 09:54 AM
ezk is under the dash driver's side

Poik
01-19-2008, 07:55 PM
wiring diagram UPDATED to better illustrate pull-up (1k ohm) resistor placement.
Hey Matt, the way you have the 1k-Ohm resistor is different in the idle control schematic compared to the original instructions. Do you want the resistor to be between MS and the hall sensor, or between MS and power?

500dollar744ti
01-20-2008, 07:29 PM
Hey Matt, the way you have the 1k-Ohm resistor is different in the idle control schematic compared to the original instructions. Do you want the resistor to be between MS and the hall sensor, or between MS and power?

****! you are right, thanks for catching that, i used the wrong version of my previously saved diagram to change for the idle control circuit... FIXED! mspaint FTW!

Poik
01-30-2008, 03:25 AM
Made my LH2.2 connector today, hopefully I'll get around to soldering up the rest of my MS box and then doing the EZK jumpers soon, I need more boost. Thanks for the writeup man!

500dollar744ti
01-30-2008, 02:33 PM
Made my LH2.2 connector today, hopefully I'll get around to soldering up the rest of my MS box and then doing the EZK jumpers soon, I need more boost. Thanks for the writeup man!

surely, please do post a success story when it runs so others may follow! :-D

Poik
02-18-2008, 09:31 PM
I megasquirted my car this weekend. On Saturday I got up around 8 and started preparing the car for all the changes it needed. I took out the EZK box and made the jumpers inside of it. Then I hacked up an old AMM and turned it into a harness for the air temp sensor. Wired up knocksense, boost control, launch control, and efan control. Did all the pin changes in the engine bay and was ready to start it by about 5, but I wasn't getting an RPM signal. I had left the VR conditioner circuit hooked up (from my 242) so after I desoldered one wire inside MS everything worked and it started right up.

This is truly a one day job if you have everything ready ahead of time, great writeup! Only thing I had to change in the wiring diagram was the pinout on the 850 TPS. I had to swap pins 1 & 3 so that 1 is ground and 3 is power.

500dollar744ti
02-19-2008, 09:30 AM
awsomeness! i am glad this helped you out... i will note the pin switching in the article because i would imagine the way you clock your tps on the TB affects the pin placement for signal.

500dollar744ti
04-11-2008, 09:10 AM
bump, more people need the MS awesomeness, get your ish squirted.

MrBill
12-11-2008, 08:46 PM
bump - I think the picture hosting is gone. I just recommended a Porsche 928 owner to this page. It has 2.2/ezk, not sure if the pinout is the same or not with different makes.

500dollar744ti
12-11-2008, 09:46 PM
stupid host site is down, i would put them on photobucket but they won't host the resolution that it needs to be so you can see it.

500dollar744ti
12-11-2008, 10:04 PM
okay, fixed.

Raz
12-23-2009, 07:00 PM
this is still my favourite volvo and megasquirt related thread.

VQ
03-13-2013, 09:05 PM
Is this guide still valid to convert LH 2.2 to MS? I'm thinking of using MS II with PCB 3.0 and wanting it to be a smooth installation...

500dollar744ti
03-14-2013, 07:39 AM
Pretty much but the MSII pinout is going to be somewhat different. You can still use the picture and diagram to route the updated wiring.