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Freq
02-11-2008, 02:47 PM
So I picked up 2 spare grills from the scrap yard (one has a broken clip thingie on the bottom so it's for practice) and I want to paint the vertical bars black. Suggestions on sanding plastic? I heard Krylon Fusion paint is fantastic. Anyone know how it holds up being on the front of the car?

amargill19?
02-11-2008, 02:56 PM
I painted my grille surround black from the chrome.


I sanded,

sprayed a very light coat of primer,

tremclad flat black (like 3 or 4 coats, allowing reasonable time to dry in between)

I then sprayed two coats of clear after that.



I am very happy, and surprised that it hasn't chipped/flaked/done anything crappy, seeing as how it's at the front of the car - getting lots of wind/rain/rocks, etc.

it's been maybe 15,000km and it's been fine so far..

Freq
02-11-2008, 03:04 PM
I've heard of Tremclad, but I don't know that I've seen it in stores. It is available state-side? What kind of paint is it? And what grit sandpaper did you use?

Chris_R
02-11-2008, 03:06 PM
Tremclad = rustoleum in the US

Look for spray plastidip instead though. (It's used for dipping the handles of tools)

Freq
02-11-2008, 03:07 PM
Tremclad = rustoleum in the US

Look for spray plastidip instead though. (It's used for dipping the handles of tools)

Hah, I have plenty of Rustoleum raddle cans, just none in black. Do they sell plastidip in hardware stores?

Chris_R
02-11-2008, 03:11 PM
I would think so - or WalMart?

Crazychopstick
02-11-2008, 03:13 PM
Painted the lower airdam in FUSION satin black.

It's held up to road debris and rocks really well. No chips.

Freq
02-11-2008, 03:17 PM
How's the finish on the paints you guys used? I'm looking for something in a mild semi-gloss. Flat, I'm afraid, would make it look too much like a void and I'd rather not have a glossy grill.

amargill19?
02-11-2008, 03:21 PM
When I used the "flat black" tremclad,

it came out quite flat.


Using the clear cote, which helped protect it a great deal, added some gloss. It's not overlly glossy, but it's semi-glossy I suppose.

neptune
02-11-2008, 03:25 PM
I've repainted the front end of my 242 several times. I started with SEM bumpercoater (Had it lying around) and very little prep. That didn't last long of course.
http://www.neptune242.com/neptune/montlake.jpg
Next I did some more serious sanding, then rubbing alcohol, then used an epoxy paint intended for rollbars. It worked and looked great at first.
http://www.neptune242.com/neptune/grille04.jpg
A year or so later and it looked pretty sad. Lots of rock chips and some substantial peeling. The grille in the pic is the same one as above, the headlight trims were worse, but I was trying out the quad rounds so I don't have a pic.
http://www.neptune242.com/neptune/rounds.jpg
The fusion I sanded even more, removing most of the chrome, then wiped them down with paint thinner and sprayed with satin black fusion.
http://www.neptune242.com/neptune/ikea.jpg
This is Fusion after ~1500 miles
http://www.neptune242.com/neptune/07front.jpg

I drive 90% freeway miles so my front end takes a lot of abuse here. So far the fusion has been holding up vastly better than anything I've tried before. I have a couple tiny rock ships, but no falking or peeling, and vastly less rock chips than before.

Home Depot has plastidip, some hardware stores do too. I think Fred Meyer and NAPA carry the Fusion. Use satin black Fusion, gloss is way too much.

I just plan to repaint the front end every year or two, but so far the fusion has been holding up vastly better than anything else.

I've heard good things about the plastidip from people I trust, but my experience with it has been mixed. It did a great job on the grille of my sisters benz, but that was rough plastic that was easy to adhere to, and no masking. In this application I like it better than the Fusion since the plastidip is soft and thus absorbs little rock impacts without chipping. I masked and painted the grille of the V70R and it looks like crap, plus is getting rock chips. It didn't dry, so when I tried to pull the tape off it took a lot of the plastidip with it. It really doesn't stick well compared to the fusion. I did some ok prep on this one, but maybe it would hold better if I could strip the chrome off and try again. Next time I do it I'll try Fusion.

Crazychopstick
02-11-2008, 03:34 PM
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/Crazychopstick/Volvo/IMG_2126.jpg

Satin Black finish is...satiny.

DALAHASTEN
02-11-2008, 03:39 PM
Fusion is GREAT stuff! I have used it on numerous grilles, and eventually opted to use the stuff to blacken the faded lower trim mouldings and flaps on my 244 right after I bought her.

After masking the paint work off I prepped the surfaces by scrubbing down with diluted dish detergent, pressure washing, scrubbed down again with a mixture of windex and rubbing alcolhol, then lightly sanded with super fine grit sand paper, and followed up with tri-clean plastic cleaner/paint prep. Let the moisture evaporate over night and sprayed the trim with Krylon Fusion Satin Black the next day- numerous even light coats with plenty of dry time in-between.

Came out even better than I had expected, and 5,000 miles later the finish is still holding up perfectly. I would have no hesitation in using Fusion for your grille project. I have found that the satin black is the perfect balance between flat and gloss- has that factory fresh sheen.

Pics of the trim finished up on my car can be viewed here:
http://www.maj.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=160280

SouthSideSlider
02-11-2008, 03:40 PM
i find fusion to hold up weel paint my S4 RX-7 tails with it and my lower front valance is painted with fusion its still all good.

Freq
02-11-2008, 04:42 PM
Has anyone painted the trim that surrounds the headlight? I got an extra pair to play with but I don't want to do something horrible to it.

Lee
02-11-2008, 05:01 PM
I've had better luck with plastidip, as far as longevity goes. Krylon is okay, but it doesn't seem as durable as plastidip, in my experiences. I used it on the headlight trim of my 740 and I don't have one chip in them.

amargill19?
02-11-2008, 05:11 PM
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/amargill19/IMGP0602.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/amargill19/IMGP0607.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/amargill19/IMGP0622.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/amargill19/theend.jpg

project volvo
02-11-2008, 05:39 PM
your car makes mine look like a mint rolls royce


way to ruin the magic of a nice metallic beige car... j/k but clean it up

amargill19?
02-11-2008, 05:46 PM
nevar.

It hasn't been washed in about 3 or 4 months either..

ashvolvo
02-11-2008, 05:47 PM
I simply sanded the chrome off mine with an orbital sander, so that it was rough all over, and in spots it was through the chrome and into the plastic.

Then gave it a light spray with etch primer.
Then sanded it down again.
Etch primed again and sanded again.
Etch primed again, and sprayed with primer-filler, then sanded again.
Primed with regular primer and sanded lightly.
Painted with regular satin-black spray paint. I havent touched it since and that was about 7 years ago.

project volvo
02-11-2008, 05:53 PM
nevar.

It hasn't been washed in about 3 or 4 months either..

washing it won't straighten out your hood, healights and quite possibly fenders.


but to be on topic, when i sprayed the chrome surrounding on my 740 i sat there and peeled at the chrome till it all came off. Thats the best way to have the paint sticks.. because the chrome might already be bubbling and or peeling.

triton
02-11-2008, 06:06 PM
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4785/volvo8nl6.jpg black is cheap generic gloss (mebe semi gloss cant recall) from wallmart and the silver is krylon metallic i think. other than getting scuffed in my wreck its held up good for ~a month or 2 and i live on gravel, no serious chips or anything

amargill19?
02-11-2008, 06:26 PM
washing it won't straighten out your hood, healights and quite possibly fenders.


I like it the way it is.

Rust Reaper
02-11-2008, 06:37 PM
Use an etch primer, then whatever you want. So long as its compatible

Tremclad (or rustoleum for you guys in the USA) comes in flat, semi-gloss and gloss. Its durable too. Do your prep properly, clean it, then DON'T TOUCH IT UNTIL YOUR PAINT IS ON IT. You'd be surprised at the oil that is on your hands.

Freq
02-11-2008, 07:24 PM
I didn't realize that the slash part of the grill came off until I was just about done masking it. :P Oh well. I have the primer on my dummy grill. Put a few coats of that on, the fusion paint, and see how I like the look. I don't really want to spend hours and hours prepping the piece if I'm not going to like the way it looks on my car. :P

Edit> Holy crap, Fusion sprays REALLY TALL AND NARROW :O I have the first coat on and it looks fantastic.

psy
02-11-2008, 07:49 PM
that grill you can find already with the inserts in black from factory but looks good I took out the insert in mine and made a mesh instead love how it looks now.

amargill19?
02-11-2008, 07:55 PM
DON'T TOUCH IT UNTIL YOUR PAINT IS ON IT.

and totally dry.

don't touch it in between coats either.

before paint I always wipe it down with like some type of alcohol and never touch it again.

it's the little things like this in prep that go along why I find.

Freq
02-11-2008, 07:57 PM
that grill you can find already with the inserts in black from factory but looks good I took out the insert in mine and made a mesh instead love how it looks now.

Where do you find the wire mesh?

Also, when should I take my masking tape off? While it's still wet or after it's dried?

A-Rode
02-11-2008, 08:12 PM
i have a pre 90 eggcrate 740 grille around here, i should sell it, or paint it then sell it

Freq
02-11-2008, 08:25 PM
Well I'm in the market for one. If you wanna make it pretty I might very well take it. :)

Freq
02-11-2008, 08:35 PM
http://freq.auriplane.net/files/pictures/volvo/painted%20grill%201.jpg

http://freq.auriplane.net/files/pictures/volvo/new-and-old.jpg

http://freq.auriplane.net/files/pictures/volvo/new-grill.jpg

These aren't my final pieces. In fact I didn't even clean it. I took some sandpaper to the front of it with the outside taped off. 2 coats of primer and 3 coats of Fusion.

kyle808
02-11-2008, 08:37 PM
I didn't realize that the slash part of the grill came off until I was just about done masking it. :P Oh well. I have the primer on my dummy grill. Put a few coats of that on, the fusion paint, and see how I like the look. I don't really want to spend hours and hours prepping the piece if I'm not going to like the way it looks on my car. :P

Edit> Holy crap, Fusion sprays REALLY TALL AND NARROW :O I have the first coat on and it looks fantastic.

you can rotate the square plastic piece on the front of the nozzle 90 degrees and it will spray short and wide.

psy
02-11-2008, 08:39 PM
well I wanna get a bigger peace but you can to home debot or I beleave some here go to small hardware stores and find it.

fryea
02-11-2008, 09:07 PM
i just picked up some fusion flat black, clear coat spray, and 220/400 sandpaper. My grill has some like moss or **** on it (damn you washington). Ill post up some before/after action

Freq
02-11-2008, 11:59 PM
i just picked up some fusion flat black, clear coat spray, and 220/400 sandpaper. My grill has some like moss or **** on it (damn you washington). Ill post up some before/after action

I got black Fusion, primer, papers, but no clear coat. I might still have some, but I'm not worried about it for the time being. How are all of you sanding it down to the plastic? Or painting inside all the small areas?

Crazychopstick
02-12-2008, 12:01 AM
i just picked up some fusion flat black, clear coat spray, and 220/400 sandpaper. My grill has some like moss or **** on it (damn you washington). Ill post up some before/after action

Please do. I haven't seen the FUSION flatblack finish yet.

Tenacious Todd
02-12-2008, 12:05 AM
Good job on the grille but I have a eggcrate grille you can have missing the slash for $10.00 !!

Freq
02-12-2008, 05:39 PM
So I put the grill that was on my car into the dishwasher so it would get all the dirt and shat off of it. I'll take as much of the paint off tonight as possible and try to shoot the paint, depending on how long sanding takes. Is it really importiant to get the chrome all the way off if I'm going to be shooting it with primer?

Rust Reaper
02-12-2008, 06:33 PM
So I put the grill that was on my car into the dishwasher so it would get all the dirt and shat off of it. I'll take as much of the paint off tonight as possible and try to shoot the paint, depending on how long sanding takes. Is it really importiant to get the chrome all the way off if I'm going to be shooting it with primer?


How many times have you seen chrome flake off of plastic grilles? I've seen it lots, and I wouldn't trust it under any paint I wanted to stick for a long time.

fryea
02-12-2008, 07:07 PM
Question on sanding for me. I've got the surface nice and flat, but is it necessary to go all the way down to the original, unpainted plastic?

Freq
02-14-2008, 04:41 AM
Has anyone painted their headlight trim? 'Cause, um, I'm doing it right now on some spare trim. Hope it turns out okay. Hate to have wasted them. :P And yes, I'm shooting paint at 1am. Hopefully I didn't miss any spots from the lack of proper lighting. I'll get pictures posted with the trim mounted at night with the lights on and in the daylight tomorrow. Let's see how this goes. *crosses fingers*

Edit> Nevermind. My hood decided that it doesn't want to open. Day time pics tomorrow, hopefully night time pictures tomorrow night.

Chrisco
02-14-2008, 05:19 AM
I just cleaned my grill/headlight surrounds well. Then put on a few coats of black primer (for flat black). Looks great, but still needs to pass the test of time.

Freq
02-14-2008, 05:51 AM
Pictures?

Lee
02-14-2008, 11:28 AM
oops..I forgot to mention I used adhesion promoter. (sorry)

Peakellz
02-14-2008, 02:53 PM
Edit> Nevermind. My hood decided that it doesn't want to open. Day time pics tomorrow, hopefully night time pictures tomorrow night.

i guess she was too sleepy haha


i removed the inside of my grill and just sanded it with 800 (all i had at the moment) and some sprayed it with some black spray paint that was lying around, i think it was called painters touch. looked awesome at first. It had sort of a rough texture to it, so it looked pretty factory, but its starting to chip now, about 5 months later, i guess because of the rocks and stuff on the freeway.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p130/peakellz/volvop003-1.jpg

Freq
02-14-2008, 04:51 PM
Painting the headlight trim black should be called the POS mod. It looks ugly has hell. :( Good thing it was my spare set.