KDFI Users

[ephebus]

Any one buy one and using it??? Can I get some feed back?

Thanks in advance.:cool:

[Mueller]

am I the only one that has know idea what KDFI is besides a radio station??

[ephebus]

Well you asked, thats a start... AKA MEGA SQUIRT KILLER Guess I should have stated that.

[740ATL]

maybe post a link? I've never heard of it before.

[ephebus]

The link...

http://www.k-data.org/pages/index.php/page.60/kdFi.html

[740ATL]

so it's a megasquirt ripoff on a different board?

[Karl Buchka]

so it's a megasquirt ripoff on a different board?

Yes, because this topic wasn't beaten to death in the other thread.

[740ATL]

Yes, because this topic wasn't beaten to death in the other thread.

I just dug up the old thread and read it... didn't pay any attention to it before.

So it literally is a ripoff of MS... kdfi took the schematics, reworked them, repackaged it, and called it their own. Nice.

[ephebus]

Just like the PC your using or all the software/games you down load, every TV you watch, Operating systems you clone... Sheeze could you get over the rip off bit! If that's the case then a Volvo is a rip off of a Model T.
Come to think of it MS riped off someones IP to get the stuff they devolped.... It's about taking something good an making it better maybe but if the only thing anyone knows is "Oh sniff sniff is the the ms rip off"... Or is my cable INTERNET a rip off of dial up??? I bought this system from KDFI and I was just wondering if there was any one else who had the stones to go out on a limb and do the same so we could compare notes... 740ATL I see your in the 300 club you figure that all out by your self???? Or steal/barrow/copy some ideas from someone...

All the while we drive our cars with an experimental ECM thats for off road use....With out a cat with blah blah....

Hypocrites the death of inovation...

[740ATL]

Just like the PC your using or all the software/games you down load, every TV you watch, Operating systems you clone... Sheeze could you get over the rip off bit! If that's the case then a Volvo is a rip off of a Model T.
Come to think of it MS riped off someones IP to get the stuff they devolped.... It's about taking something good an making it better maybe but if the only thing anyone knows is "Oh sniff sniff is the the ms rip off"... Or is my cable INTERNET a rip off of dial up??? I bought this system from KDFI and I was just wondering if there was any one else who had the stones to go out on a limb and do the same so we could compare notes... 740ATL I see your in the 300 club you figure that all out by your self???? Or steal/barrow/copy some ideas from someone...

All the while we drive our cars with an experimental ECM thats for off road use....With out a cat with blah blah....

Hypocrites the death of inovation...

Oh the melodrama... It's no different than Ford taking a Civic, rebadging it and calling it a Ford. if you want to buy it, buy it, just don't expect support from Bowling and Grippo.

[linuxman51]

Just like the PC your using or all the software/games you down load, every TV you watch, Operating systems you clone... Sheeze could you get over the rip off bit! If that's the case then a Volvo is a rip off of a Model T.


Derived innovation is not the same as blatantly ripping something off. Look, for instance, at the Genboard project.. It derived things from the V2.2 megasquirt, but wasn't really the same and went off on its own developmental tract. (and caused some stirs along the way).


Come to think of it MS riped off someones IP to get the stuff they devolped.... It's about taking something good an making it better maybe but if the only thing anyone knows is "Oh sniff sniff is the the ms rip off"...


Oh? who'd they rip off? Oh wait, I get it, they ripped of bosch because they designed an electronic fuel management system that uses chips and wires and things. Thats why Robert Bosch was first in line to sue them. And motec. And autronic. and wolf. Yeah, thats the ticket...


Or is my cable INTERNET a rip off of dial up??? I bought this system from KDFI and I was just wondering if there was any one else who had the stones to go out on a limb and do the same so we could compare notes...


This doesn't make any sense. You're suggesting that a means to gain access to the internet is a rip off of another means to access?
Completely different underlying technologies, but I suspect that you aren't even conversationally competent enough to realize this, and I suspect you assume the internet is just web pages and forums and ****. Give me a break.


740ATL I see your in the 300 club you figure that all out by your self???? Or steal/barrow/copy some ideas from someone...


I'm not familiar with barrow inside the realm of volvos, I don't believe mike was moving large amounts of dirt to get 300hp.
As far as copying people, sure, he absolutely did. He took an engine (derived work), fitted a turbocharger (Also derived work), used electronic fuel injection (derived work) and suddenly woke up with 300hp. Didn't have to think about anything on his own, it was all laid out for him in a cute little package at wal-mart


All the while we drive our cars with an experimental ECM thats for off road use....With out a cat with blah blah....


This has zero to do with the thread. Your reasoning skills are sadly deficient. I would suggest with this body of presented work, that you buy fred's chips and just step away from the 1's and 0's. You clearly lack the critical thinking ability thats going to be required.

Hypocrites the death of inovation...

Allow me to correct this for you
"Freeloaders, the death of innovation..."

I don't personally have a problem with derived work from something thats freely available, let me state that very clearly. However I do very much have a problem with someone taking something, repackaging it, tossing in a few other 'public works' and calling it their own. If its something you think you want, buy it and run it. You will only get support from the person who's selling/designed it. This may or may not be a big deal at surface value, but what if they decide its not worth the effort to help you? What if they pack up two weeks after you order yours and its defective?
I'm not suggesting that this will happen, I don't believe it will, but this is something to consider. I would also suggest that if you are so inclined, that you step your ass on up to the plate and try it out.

[MrBill]

kenny said it so eloquently, but I'll add my two cents.

ALOT of research and development has gone into making megasquirt what it is. For another company to come in, use the programming and architecture, make their "own" board, and make a profit off of it is simply stealing.

It's like a band doing a cover of a song, royalties are due. Slightly different end product, but who actually did the work?

[fryea]

I see it as just a re-worked board that has implemented a few highly valuable features right out of the box. All the kdfi developer has done is re-worked some of the circuits and removed some redundant ones.

On the megasquirt site, they list the 4 main aspects of the megasquirt project.
That is, the processor, the board, the code, and the tuning software.

Much like sticking an intel chip into any number of various manufacturers boards, this is no different. The code, processor, and software are still the same. KDFI is an alternative, all-in-one style board. Smaller footprint. It also doesnt have alot of expandable features that the traditional board does have. There are pro's and con's to both, but I dont think that it should be seen as a "rip-off".

Megasquirt, by design, is an open source project. This encourages anyone to innovate and bring new ideas to the table. Without people "ripping-off" the original megasquirt code, we would not have boost control, PWM idle control, traction control, hell, spark wasnt even implemented "officially" until megasquirt 2.

The board is just another facet to open source development. KDFI implements a few new circuits, has built-in "extra" features for MS-II, and a few other goodies on a SMALLER board with surface mount components. I think it is cool we are seeing new megasquirt products outside of the traditional channels. Feel free to disagree.

[ephebus]

Any one buy one and using it??? Can I get some feed back?

Thanks in advance.:cool:

Seemed like such a simple request, Forgive my ignorance I guess I will mind my 0 1's

And get my data out of this place...

Later kids...

[linuxman51]

I have it on good authority from someone in the know that legal proceedings have been kicked off against the group that manufactures this unit (as well as some group in england that apparently is licensed but not keeping up the quality standards).The word is that they're not directly trying to quelch the knock-off, rather I believe they just want the licensing stuff squared away. That would be a good thing imo.

Megasquirt is *not* open source, you have to run the software on megasquirt licensed hardware.

[JohnMc]

What kind of feedback did ephebus want anyhow? Came in here acting like a prospective KDFI customer, wanting to see if we liked it or not. Then when people state their (negative) opinions on it, he starts acting like like he's selling them.

I call shens, he's the guy flogging them.

[linuxman51]

What kind of feedback did ephebus want anyhow? Came in here acting like a prospective KDFI customer, wanting to see if we liked it or not. Then when people state their (negative) opinions on it, he starts acting like like he's selling them.

I call shens, he's the guy flogging them.

thats fine. I like the thing, I'd like it a whole lot more if it was in compliance. hell it would knock $100 off the top of a pnp setup :shrug:

[Mueller]

thats fine. I like the thing, I'd like it a whole lot more if it was in compliance. hell it would knock $100 off the top of a pnp setup :shrug:

I'd be behind it if they square up the license deal like you mention and they get rid of the stupid and "killer" referance if it does indeed share anything with the MS, that is insulting

[Matt Cramer]

I have it on good authority from someone in the know that legal proceedings have been kicked off against the group that manufactures this unit (as well as some group in england that apparently is licensed but not keeping up the quality standards).

If the English seller is the one I think it is, he had other complaints against him besides quality and bad customer service. Among other things, he was selling a "V2.5 Megasquirt" that was not an actual B&G product, but attempting to pass it off as one. He never was a licensed seller.

[linuxman51]

If the English seller is the one I think it is, he had other complaints against him besides quality and bad customer service. Among other things, he was selling a "V2.5 Megasquirt" that was not an actual B&G product, but attempting to pass it off as one. He never was a licensed seller.

I didn't actually bother getting a name, but I would imagine its the same group. wth is a v2.5?

[Matt Cramer]

wth is a v2.5?

Something that caused a lot of confusion when a customer, thinking he'd bought a real Megasquirt, showed up on the MSEFI forum asking for help with it.

[Bozzma]

Hell, I didn't even know that :lol: I have nothing to do with any "MegaSquirt Clone" and as you can see on my website, I clearly pressent the item as being a K-data KdFi. I do also personaly support the systems, users can call me, e-mail me, or visit me in the workshop. If they feel the need to ask for help in the Extra forums, as long as these are not hardware related you couldn't tell...

But anyway, Ed is a custumer. And he is waiting for his product. He ordered it quite a long time ago but we were sold out completely and X-mass + newyear came in between (some days off for me). Now we have plenty in stock again and the new items that have a nice Cinch box with proper connectors are shipping soon too. There are also some Motronic PnP boxes ready made for the BMW cars. Volvo might see the light aswell one day. The Motronic PnP boxes go for 399 euro, all wired up, poweder coated box, fully installed. Insane pricing... A good thing these days though.

About the "killer" thing: that was very wrong and I do regret that the most. Some folks say there is no excuse for saying that and they might be right. But some things can't be made undone. The "killer" thing wasn't aimed to the MS product or makers itself but more to the guys that sell very poor assembled MegaSquirts to first time buyers. That is just sad and I see it every day in my busyness. So it was a bit out of frustration I called it "killer". In fact I think it will make the "extra" platform even stronger as it gets less difficult to enter features that requiers modifications on the standard MegaSquirts. There will be more requests and bug-reports.

That's all I have left to say about this. Things are going well and more and more cars are being converted to KdFi with very good results. :-P

[740ATL]

how about that circuit schematic?? I'm still waiting.

BTW... stop calling it KDFI and start calling it megasquirt.

[Bozzma]

Call it whatever you like it to call it. As long as it does the trick it is fine with me.

[the poi]

I have nothing to do with any "MegaSquirt Clone" but you make one and sell it and as you can see on my website, I clearly pressent the item as being a K-data KdFi. which is what makes you a dick

[Roger-Dee]

Bozzma I can't understand how you act like you didn't understand us. How blind are you ? Many have said the same thing;

- We like the developement & addition made on your/this board BUT;
- How simple was it when you already have the MS schematic to start with and then call it your own? AND;
- If you were giving something back to Al & Grippo for the money you make out of their years of work, we would agree that, yes, KDFi is a nice unit at a nice price wich also give something back to AL & Grippo and then contribute to funding new projects/products.

Your attitude until now has probably been the worst thing that could have happen to this product and I meant to say that since a while. If for you it's all about money, for some nice poeple here it's more about ethics.

[J2_]

Bozzma ISNT the designer of KdFi, thats the german guy form K-Data...

[Bozzma]

Correct. I didn´t build them. I don´t own them. I am not about the fee´s that should or shouldn´t be paid. I am not about ethics. I am just saying it is a nice piece of hardware.

I don´t have any thoughts about all the things you mention. For me it just works. And for a lot of folks it will. The rest is just not up to me. Don´t shoot the messegner.

[adrianpike]

Correct. I didn´t build them. I don´t own them. I am not about the fee´s that should or shouldn´t be paid. I am not about ethics. I am just saying it is a nice piece of hardware.

I don´t have any thoughts about all the things you mention. For me it just works. And for a lot of folks it will. The rest is just not up to me. Don´t shoot the messegner.

Legally I don't believe you're a messenger, you're an accomplice.

[cuaz64]

Please don't ban me, but, I want try the KDFI.

[Wagner]

This has been left a little less clear to me, maybe you could answer this question: Does that Kdfi use MegaSquirt code, or does it not use MegaSquirt code?

[Bozzma]

You can run the MSextra code on it.

[Bozzma]

There are a couple of T-brickers running KDFI now.. but they are very silent :-)

[adrianpike]

I've been running it for years.