circuit schematic wanted for kdfi v1.3

[740ATL]

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[Alex Buchka]

I'd also like to see this. Megasquirt is <strike>open source</strike> open source-ish, as is the JAW wideband that's onboard. Not sharing the kdfi circuit schematic is low class.

[Karl Buchka]

Megasquirt is open source,

No it's not.

[Bozzma]

I honestly don't know. I do have the schematics but I cannot hand them out, I promised the designer.

Do you have a specific question?

By the way, the developper of JAW is happy to provide us the JAW chips. Don't shout before you are sure.

[740ATL]

I would really like to see the complete circuit schematics for kdfi v1.3. Why can't you hand out the schematic? Surely there's no problem in doing this correct?

I would like to see your improved circuits, and the implementation of the improved tach circuit and the jaw.

[Bozzma]

for all the good reasons ?

[740ATL]

what other reasons are there? I don't understand the problem here... What is the reason for your reluctance to post the schematics? It seems like such a simple request.

[Sander]

what other reasons are there? I don't understand the problem here... What is the reason for your reluctance to post the schematics? It seems like such a simple request.

I honestly don't know. I do have the schematics but I cannot hand them out, I promised the designer.


Seems like an answer to me...

[740ATL]

Seems like an answer to me...

It's actually not an answer. It's an avoidance. All of his work was based off the intellectual property of Bowling and Grippo. If he took the schematics from Bowling and Grippo and improved them, surely he wouldn't mind other people seeing his new circuits. It would be considered a gesture of good faith.

I for one would like to see them. I would like to see what he considers new.

[740ATL]

bump. I still need to see this circuit schematic.

[Fivehundred]

Why not ask Stefan Kastner, he seems to be the guy who is behind kdfi? Obviously you need to add +49 and delete the first 0 if you wish to call him.

k-data
Ganghofer Str. 7
D-94149 Kößlarn
Inhaber: Stefan Kastner

Beste telefonische Erreichbarkeit: 13-18 Uhr


Tel: 08536 / 919446
Fax: 08536 / 919450
info@k-data.org

[Bozzma]

I don't have to help you, do I ? You aren't even a custumer ?

[740ATL]

What are you afraid of? Post kdfi's circuit schematic. You or someone else. There may even be $$ involved to the person who posts it for me.

[MikeHardy]

It's actually not an answer. It's an avoidance. All of his work was based off the intellectual property of Bowling and Grippo. If he took the schematics from Bowling and Grippo and improved them, surely he wouldn't mind other people seeing his new circuits. It would be considered a gesture of good faith.

how ever you may feel, it is up to B&G to deal with.

personally i shut the other thread because it was going no where and i felt use of MS IP to be wrong, but also behaving like this is also wrong. the company that own KDFI have no reason to be handing out there own IP even if it did start out sa MS.

if you don't wish to buy it, don't. leave it out for now folks.

[740ATL]

How do you know I don't want to buy it?

I want to see the circuit schematic so I can compare it to the v2.2 or v3 megasquirt boards.

I want to see his circuit improvements.

It's a pretty small request.

[ephebus]

Then put up the cash and maybe he'll send one...Then you can see for your self...It's not like MS gave them a board to reverse engineer. If your that interested like I was, just do it and drop it.

The info is priceless....and you cannot HAVE it...let alone buy it, Oh the drama :rofl:

[the poi]

It's not like MS gave them a board to reverse engineer.

Or posted circuit schematics and the full source code of the software online. Oh I see your point.

[500dollar744ti]

It's not like MS gave them a board to reverse engineer.

wow, that's actually not sarcasm.

[linuxman51]

wow, that's actually not sarcasm.

its irrelevant, the entirety of the v3, v2.2, and somewhere the v1 stuff is available for peer review. its how I determined what I needed so I could interconnect two megasquirts.

Mike isn't requesting the PCB diagram, just the logical circuit & component layout. if its a better set up, this should be readily visible.

I don't care at the end of the day what ultimately happens, but the *right* thing to do would be to pay whatever the very nominal licensing fee is, and move on. I really like the implementation

[500dollar744ti]

i was just commenting on how he used an analogy to say "it's not like they put MS2 out there for him" when actually it's open for everyone to share.

meh, i really don't care one way or the other, i agree the small licensing fee would solve anything that may turn up in the future. it actually looks like a nice product.

[Bozzma]

Thanks.

[740ATL]

Thanks.

thanks for posting the circuit schematic? I don't see it. I want it.

[adrianpike]

I'd also like to see the schematics.

I'd consider purchasing one if it's better than something I can come up with myself.

[Lord Tentacle]

I don't care at the end of the day what ultimately happens, but the *right* thing to do would be to pay whatever the very nominal licensing fee is, and move on. I really like the implementation

the licensing fee is close to $50 per unit its anything but nominal
B&G also will not let you sell any form of a kit that is not of their own design
either its reference or you must sell a system that is a sealed box

they took the sealed box policy after the china made 1.x boards showed up on ebay

ask glen about it
I had very long talks with glen last year about doing a v3.x board for MS2-E applications that would use dip switches to make spark/extra functions much easier to wire up
and also switching over to ampseal connections

[245gti]

Maybe I'm missing something here. If you asked SDS or Haltech to post their schematics on a public forum I suspect they'd be rather hesitant to do so. I suspect they may even laugh at you for making such an absurd request. Someone explain to me why kdfi is any different. Maybe their design is loosely, or not so loosely, based on MS but that doesn't mean the guy that did the schematic up and had the circuit boards printed has any obligation to disclose any information about his product. Even if it's a direct copy, he has no obligation to the general consumer. Now if B&G decide they want to take him to court for violating copyright or patent laws, that's quite another thing.

I found an interesting piece of software one time that would design a PC layout from a schematic. If it were me I'd be just a little concerned that giving away my schematic might just lead to my design showing up for sale elsewhere under another name.

Again, perhaps I'm missing something obvious and please clue me in if I am. If not, let's move on...

[740ATL]

Maybe I'm missing something here. If you asked SDS or Haltech to post their schematics on a public forum I suspect they'd be rather hesitant to do so. I suspect they may even laugh at you for making such an absurd request. Someone explain to me why kdfi is any different. Maybe their design is loosely, or not so loosely, based on MS but that doesn't mean the guy that did the schematic up and had the circuit boards printed has any obligation to disclose any information about his product. Even if it's a direct copy, he has no obligation to the general consumer. Now if B&G decide they want to take him to court for violating copyright or patent laws, that's quite another thing.

I found an interesting piece of software one time that would design a PC layout from a schematic. If it were me I'd be just a little concerned that giving away my schematic might just lead to my design showing up for sale elsewhere under another name.

Again, perhaps I'm missing something obvious and please clue me in if I am. If not, let's move on...

Dale, please read the "megasquirt killer" thread. I want to see the "improved" circuit schematics to decide for myself whether it's something worth purchasing.

[arsenix]

Does anyone actually have one of these yet? Posting some high res pics of both sides of the boards (high res enough to read part numbers) should give enough information to figure out the general idea of what "circuit improvements" have been made.

[dirtbike]

Dale, please read the "megasquirt killer" thread. I want to see the "improved" circuit schematics to decide for myself whether it's something worth purchasing.

If your really that dubious buy one and work it out...
Otherwise I suggest this thread is closed as it's not productive.

As it stands you requested the schematics from the reseller he refused to give them to you, what more can this thread offer? I suggest you ask the designer not the reseller for the design information.

Regardless of your ethical stance this is nothing more than witch hunt.
I have no bias either way, I have both a MSv2.2 and v3.0 and they work fine but I also like the look of this product I just have no need to buy one, Bowling and grippo are aware of this product if they feel that they have been plagurised it really is there battle to fight.

ATL: I liked reading your MS mod threads so there are no hard feeling but I think you should leave this in the hands of B&G as its not your concern.

Laters
Nick

[Bozzma]

I like the Escort. Have you seen mine ?
http://www.bs-autotune.nl/content/view/53/61/

[dirtbike]

I like the Escort. Have you seen mine ?
http://www.bs-autotune.nl/content/view/53/61/

Thanks, no I haven't, nice work. Is that a Duratec motor and MAzda 6spd box?(you can reply in PM so as not to threadjack)
Looks like we both have the same cars...
242GT Turbo'd
Mk1 Escort

The escort has changed significantly since I last updated that site many years ago, I will find the time one day to build a new site with the current status, but since then every aspect has been 1 step forward 2 steps backwards. One day it will be finished, powered by a red block, but it's not going to happen soon lol.

Laters
Nick

[Bozzma]

No it is a T5 Borg and Warner from the Ford Sierra Cossworth 2WD.

For me it was important to build the Escort very light in the nose as I wan't to do slalom racing with it. It is just for fun. Just building a cool car. The redblock is to lumpy for me. I do have a rebuild Cossie engine for sale though...