Can we build it? .. M90 inside

[Mr.Borrie]

Just loaded White-Rice up for the trip to J2 tomorrow, where we will build the M90 on the B230ET.

Got all the goodies and some more stuff in there in case we finish early and get bored..
I'll try and get some pics of the build, I just hope I’ll make it there with the broken M46 wish me luck!

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[Cojones]

Good luck ouwe. Don't think you are going to have some spare time for the other stuff. But hey, you are optimistic, and that's... good.

oooh, i get it, you want to have WR finished before the Elandrun.

[Mr.Borrie]

Good luck ouwe. Don't think you are going to have some spare time for the other stuff. But hey, you are optimistic, and that's... good.

oooh, i get it, you want to have WR finished before the Elandrun.

Even if we have spare time i think J2 is gonna trow me out anwyway but yeah always optimistic :oogle:

And yeah i need the WR ready for the elandrun ready as in at least a working transmission :-D

[Fivehundred]

Just loaded White-Rice up for the trip to J2 tomorrow, where we will build the M90 on the B230ET.

Got all the goodies and some more stuff in there in case we finish early and get bored..
I'll try and get some pics of the build, I just hope I’ll make it there with the broken M46 wish me luck!


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Just remember there is a master spline on that propshaft when you fit it onto your rear half. It goes in so far and then locks if you get it wrong. Don't force it!

[JW240]

looks good. should be do-able in a day, good luck! :)

Just remember there is a master spline on that propshaft when you fit it onto your rear half. It goes in so far and then locks if you get it wrong. Don't force it!

on our 760 we had a drive axle that didn't want to work in any direction. very strange. we discovered some wide/flat spots and removed them, and it finally worked (assembled in original marked position). sometimes they just don't want to cooperate.

[volvo78244]

It is supposed to be easy as pie..

Haven't done it myself but together with J2 you'll manage.

Good luck getting there :)

[J2_]

woeiiiiiii

I think we will get it done, there's two other M90 cars (one of them is my M90 equipped '85 740) in my shop atm so we can always take a peak :)

Thanks for the tip fivehundred, I always got complete driveshafts, so we will take a look at it.

Anyone in the netherlands that is bored tomorrow is welcome :) shop is in Woudenberg near amersfoort.

[Morley]

Can we build it? YES WE CAN!!!

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[Mr.Borrie]

Can we build it? YES WE CAN!!!

haha awesome, are you really the first to pick up on that... kinda was what i was aiming at :rofl:

[Mr.Borrie]

Yesterday i drove to J2's garage.. here are a few pics

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White-Rice on the bridge

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2143/img0885.jpg
I might have gone offroad a few days ago... :oops:

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Removing the M46

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M90 diesel plates mounted on the motronic flywheel

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M90 installed on the B230ET

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Time to fool around a bit!

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Some more volvo humping

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What WR looks likes on the bridge while being passed out on the ground

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Back to business, Putting back the shorter drive shaft

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The old dirty and used broken M46 she will be missed.. erghmmm

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Difference between the M46 gearbox mount and the M90 one, so be sure to get it

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Difference between the M46 gearbox drive shaft and the M90 one, so be sure to get it (shorter one is the M46 FYI)

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There are too different partnr's for M90 oil

So there you have it we put swapped the M90 in the car within a day at ease .. the ride is SOOOOO much better now!
Sure the M46 was broken but still the difference is so noticeable and a real 5th gear is also very nice.

Mind you that the move to the 5th gear and also the 3th gear are different so take it easy when you just did the swap .. for the first time in my life i even was careful!

[Eyssej]

Woeh!!:)

[J2_]

We had some fun, and got it done :ninja: that rimes :-P

too all the bencracers out there, if Mr. Borrie and I can do it, it's sure as hell not that hard :rofl::rofl:

//Mythbustermode

You can use the M46 hydraulics WITHOUT problems

You can't re-use the m46 crossmember in any sort of way

There are different partnumbers, for different years of m90-oil

There is only one way 2 pieces of driveshaft will fit together, we tested EVERY other option.

Busdrivers CAN'T drive..

[Mr.Borrie]

Busdrivers CAN'T drive..

OMG i loled! :rofl:

[J2_]

They didn't break your headlight, thats why you LOLed :grrr::grrr: :rofl:

[J2_]

I'm glad you didnt post the picture of me on the blue car.. or me humpin' the wagon

:nod:

[Mr.Borrie]

They didn't break your headlight, thats why you LOLed :grrr::grrr: :rofl:

Na not even, more of the fact that i totally forgot that it happened .. kinda scared of parking WR there now , i dont need some big ass tourbus to take down my bodykit

I'm glad you didnt post the picture of me on the blue car.. or me humpin' the wagon

:nod:

leverage...? :ninja: :lol:

[Turbosteen]

Nice work!
Now be careful with it Boris!


You can't re-use the m46 crossmember in any sort of way


Yes you can! I showed it in the other thread:nod:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll6/Project_82/Overig/m90.jpg

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll6/Project_82/Overig/m46.jpg

There you have it. Maybe the early 700's have the mount WhiteRice has, but my 740 has the same one as a M90 car!

[Sander]

about time you got it fixed up! :-P Was this in Woudenberg?

[J2_]

:nod:

Sander, lot of things changed since you was here. I have my own front door now :-P

[JW240]

nice, must be a big improvement :-D

[Mr.Borrie]

nice, must be a big improvement :-D

yeah it sure is :) i'm so happy got her back in one piece again !

[Eyssej]

But now a pic of j2 his girl... pics or ban!

(yeh i know it's about the m90. but don't have a thing to say about that)

BUT I SAY PICS OR BAN

[J2_]

@Turbosteen;
What I'm trying to say; If you do a +M90 swap GET THE CROSSMEMBER WITH it.
Theoretically (hope I spelled that right) you are right.

[Turbosteen]

@Turbosteen;
What I'm trying to say; If you do a +M90 swap GET THE CROSSMEMBER WITH it.
Theoretically (hope I spelled that right) you are right.


I know, It's very important to have it, otherwise you'll never get it done..
But maybe it's strange that I have the right one allready?

[Mr.Borrie]

But now a pic of j2 his girl... pics or ban!

(yeh i know it's about the m90. but don't have a thing to say about that)

BUT I SAY PICS OR BAN

:mods: Arrghh!! yes you are learning the TB way.. . PIC OR BAN!


@Turbosteen;
What I'm trying to say; If you do a +M90 swap GET THE CROSSMEMBER WITH it.
Theoretically (hope I spelled that right) you are right.

I know, It's very important to have it, otherwise you'll never get it done..
But maybe it's strange that I have the right one allready?

:doh: guys come on its happy-i-got-a-M90-working-in-my-car-time-and-hope-people-can learn-from-it-topic-time :bouncy:

[J2_]

Dude you make me want an M90 too :ninja: :nod:


@Borrie & Jessye; Why the obsession for my girlfriend ? :-P

[Sander]

:nod:

Sander, lot of things changed since you was here. I have my own front door now :-P

that's quite an improvement! :-P You got a promotion?

[BB-Q]

I had my M46 and M90 crossmember side by side when I did the swap on my 945 (1993) and they were identical. As were the clutch arms.

[J2_]

that's quite an improvement! :-P You got a promotion?


No they got fed up with me :lol::lol:, and the other place opened up so.. 1+1

@BB-Q; This thread is about a swap in a 700 series, although they share alot of things not everything so it seems. :)

[volvo944ti]

We had some fun, and got it done :ninja: that rimes :-P

too all the bencracers out there, if Mr. Borrie and I can do it, it's sure as hell not that hard :rofl::rofl:

//Mythbustermode

You can use the M46 hydraulics WITHOUT problems

You can't re-use the m46 crossmember in any sort of way

There are different partnumbers, for different years of m90-oil

There is only one way 2 pieces of driveshaft will fit together, we tested EVERY other option.

Busdrivers CAN'T drive..


i've seen that mount on late modle m46 cars. i looks like the late model m46/ auto 740 k-member.

[Eyssej]

Dude you make me want an M90 too :ninja: :nod:


@Borrie & Jessye; Why the obsession for my girlfriend ? :-P

first a want to make a compliment.. you're the first one on this forum that's spelling my name propperly...

second.. you can see me on my profiel..you can see boris...we can see you.. but we can't see you GF... so there will never be boob switching....if we don't see your GF

[The Aspirator]

Lookin good guys! I should probably get your shifter finished up eh? ;-)

[J2_]

That would be nice ....

I'm sure if Mr.Borrie likes the shotshifter in my car, he will buy one too !!

[MrT_VolvoDestroyer]

[QUOTE=Mr.Borrie;2360911]Yesterday i drove to J2's garage.. here are a few pics


http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8770/img0896dau.jpg
Difference between the M46 gearbox mount and the M90 one, so be sure to get it

Which is which?

Just clear it up for me cause i reckon the one on the right is m46, right?
Cause that's the mount i've got/had on my 940s

[JW240]

Which is which?

Just clear it up for me cause i reckon the one on the right is m46, right?
Cause that's the mount i've got/had on my 940s

left is M46, right is M90. i think earlier cars (till maybe '88/89'/90'?, depending on engine) had the old style x-member. later volvo changed to the newer style mount (the one on the right).
Why did they change? the old style engine mounts were all puck-shaped and angled towards each other, so all sideways (cornering) and longitudinal (braking/accelerating) were taken care of without extreme shear in the mounts. Later they changed to the hydraulic cushion engine mounts (we are talking grandpa series here), and those can't cope that well with the shear force, they were placed horizontal as well, not angled. transmission mount had to take care of more of the forces in sideways (cornering) and longitudinal (braking/accelerating) direction.

The bracket on the right was used on autotragics too. The rubber support is actually a early 760 prv engine mount.

[Steve940Estate]

Just to add that the ZF equipped 940 have the same rubber mount and crossmember as the M90.
You need the casting that goes from the mount to the gearbox as well though.