301whp, 326wtrq @ 20psi. [Archive]

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 02:45 PM

Well finally got around to doing that dyno thing

Where is my badge?

Video and graph to come later

Being a Mustang he had issues with rpm so the graph is off rpm wise 400-500 rpm along with he only took it up to 6400rpm or so. I told him to take it to the rev limiter but I guess he didn't want to. Looks like it is still making power up top with the stock intake and head

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Specs of car.

172k 1994 b230ft
200k+ 1994 AW71
Stock 530 Head(un touched in everyway)
Stock intake manifold
Custom header 1.65" ID pipes thin wall mild
HY35CW
3.5" downpipe and 3" cat back (was running no cat right now) single oval muffler in middle and bullet at rear
V16 Turbo Cam set @ +3deg
TTR cam Gear
31x12x4 Ebay IC
012 AMM
75lb injectors @ 2.5bar fpr
My 6800rpm chip and ign chip, 967 fuel Box and 207 EZK
20psi set with Greddy Spec B EBC
Roger-Dee Crank Pulley
MSD 6a box, Blaster 2 Coil
Kingsborne wise
A63 .035 Gap

Should be about it

maxman142001

10-21-2009, 02:46 PM

guess LH can make power :-D

olov

10-21-2009, 02:47 PM

grats man, can't wait to see vid/graph

hope this helps sell some chips :D

linuxman51

10-21-2009, 02:51 PM

you don't get a badge. we re-negotiated the 300+ club to be 500+...

soo you're back out in the cold :-P

fige

10-21-2009, 02:53 PM

finally. about time

blkaplan

10-21-2009, 02:55 PM

what kind of dyno?

linuxman51

10-21-2009, 02:56 PM

mustang.

940franken

10-21-2009, 02:59 PM

That is awesome!! 300 lh here i come.

Stereophile33

10-21-2009, 03:01 PM

Nice job!!!

WeezilUSA

10-21-2009, 03:06 PM

Great work! So that thin wall manifold is FTW?

blkaplan

10-21-2009, 03:07 PM

mustang.

nice

fige

10-21-2009, 03:14 PM

what did jesse dyno at?

maxman142001

10-21-2009, 03:19 PM

what did jesse dyno at?

better question is was he able to get it into 3rd gear?:rofl:

linuxman51

10-21-2009, 03:19 PM

yep as a matter o fact that appears to be the same model dyno we were on in NC. no tach hooked up to the electronics, calibrated by wheel speed?

maxman142001

10-21-2009, 03:33 PM

any truth to the mustang's reporting less WHP than what is really being producted?

olov

10-21-2009, 03:36 PM

i think the idea is other types read higher than actual whp

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 03:37 PM

yep as a matter o fact that appears to be the same model dyno we were on in NC. no tach hooked up to the electronics, calibrated by wheel speed?

Very true, because of that they couldn't get it right, he said autos are a bit of a pita because of that.

any truth to the mustang's reporting less WHP than what is really being producted?

All the guys at the shop told me their dyno for sure reads low and on another dyno I should see 320+whp or so.

Video added

what did jesse dyno at?

better question is was he able to get it into 3rd gear?:rofl:

He didn't, he just came along for the ride, no point in a dyno on the green car when it is going to get torn apart and sold. And on the dyno you just go 2->4 and then dyno so no need for 3rd

linuxman51

10-21-2009, 03:39 PM

any truth to the mustang's reporting less WHP than what is really being producted?

in this case, doesn't really matter as the trap speed of the vehicle in question is close enough to what it dynoed, I'd say its fairly accurate.

Any dyno can be made to read high or low or anywhere in between. the dynojet we have in montgomery has been nice to us in that we can dyno a car and then reasonably predict what it will do at the track, and then you can back-calculate the power from the mph and its right there.

Others do not, and typically an inertial dyno like a dynojet will read higher than other types.

drruble

10-21-2009, 03:41 PM

This post is worthless withouts specs..., JK nice job ..care to post the specs? Thank you dr

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 03:45 PM

This post is worthless withouts specs..., JK nice job ..care to post the specs? Thank you dr

added specs

RedLine T5R

10-21-2009, 03:49 PM

congrats, these resent uber power posts are lighting a fire under the bum to get moving on something other than polishing the manifold.

Crazychopstick

10-21-2009, 03:56 PM

Nice.

jao

10-21-2009, 04:11 PM

for the record, my car goes into 3rd... just not when i want it to quickly... or when i am trying to accelerate really, really fast... i'm not complaining at all $40 for a getrag is all good ;)

spruill745

10-21-2009, 04:17 PM

awesome man, thats some real inspiration
stock head and intake!

DanielRogers

10-21-2009, 04:17 PM

congrats, very impressive numbers. out of curiosity, why are you running a 2.5bar fpr? is it more win in some way?

B-dub

10-21-2009, 04:18 PM

That is epic. Nice work. Go LH powah.

drruble

10-21-2009, 04:22 PM

added specs Thank you .. Now weight? ET? MPH? Man, I ask a lot...

drruble

10-21-2009, 04:22 PM

BTW..when did the LH 2.4 start in the US? thank you

500dollar744ti

10-21-2009, 04:23 PM

Mike- I told you that thing was good for 300-320whp, good job, mustang dynos read a little low anyway.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU HAVE ASKED TIME AND AGAIN HOW TO DO IT, THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE 300WHP WITH AN 8-VALVE TURBO!

you don't get a badge. we re-negotiated the 300+ club to be 500+...

soo you're back out in the cold :-P

meet halfway at 400+? i want a badge too.

linuxman51

10-21-2009, 04:24 PM

BTW..when did the LH 2.4 start in the US? thank you

1990 in 700 series vehicles.

740ATL

10-21-2009, 04:27 PM

Nicely done Mike.

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 04:27 PM

congrats, very impressive numbers. out of curiosity, why are you running a 2.5bar fpr? is it more win in some way?

Because I didn't need that much fuel, right now @ 6700rpm @20psi afr's are 12.5:1

Thank you .. Now weight? ET? MPH? Man, I ask a lot...

Weight I will find out one of these days at a recycler and 1/4 mile info is posted here

http://www.turbobricks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162710&page=3

2.185 60ft, 13.2@107.99mph. Launching at 2900rpm @ 1-2psi. Once i get the slicks on and can load it up we will see what it can do
1990 in 700 series vehicles.
Actually 1989 in the n/a cars haha, but turbo wise 1990+

500dollar744ti

10-21-2009, 04:29 PM

you should see about 12.8@108 with slicks and close to perfect launch.

have you weighed your car? just curious of curb weight.

dbh86

10-21-2009, 04:29 PM

Very nice.

you don't get a badge. we re-negotiated the 300+ club to be 500+...

soo you're back out in the cold :-P

+1 for 500+ club

meet halfway at 400+? i want a badge too.

You should have no problem doing 500, so stop wasting your time and get it done! :-P

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 04:29 PM

Mike- I told you that thing was good for 300-320whp, good job, mustang dynos read a little low anyway.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU HAVE ASKED TIME AND AGAIN HOW TO DO IT, THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE 300WHP WITH AN 8-VALVE TURBO!

I was hoping 260-270whp to be happy but this was great. Even the guy in the dyno after the first real pass got out and made a comment about stupid fast little volvo. I guess he wasn't expecting it to make that kind of power.

And yup, people keep asking about how to make a 300whp car and here ya go, stock intake and head. Wait until ya'll see what we are putting on the car next. I am hoping for a big big gain.

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 04:30 PM

you should see about 12.8@108 with slicks and close to perfect launch.

I am betting faster. As going from a 2.4 to a 2.2 dropped over a full second off my time, and not waiting for the turbo to spool off the line should net a good gain in my book

we shall see

500dollar744ti

10-21-2009, 04:33 PM

You should have no problem doing 500, so stop wasting your time and get it done! :-P

i need a few bits and pieces before i can raise the boost, after that, we'll see how good it is.

I was hoping 260-270whp to be happy but this was great. Even the guy in the dyno after the first real pass got out and made a comment about stupid fast little volvo. I guess he wasn't expecting it to make that kind of power.

they never do expect it.

towerymt

10-21-2009, 05:04 PM

badvlvo

10-21-2009, 05:11 PM

Nice work Mike.

This is proof that it simplicity can be the key to making good whp numbers. 300 on LH is good.

Is your car still as driveable as when I was there 2 years ago?

drruble

10-21-2009, 05:12 PM

1990 in 700 series vehicles. Thank you L man

Krisverde

10-21-2009, 05:24 PM

Nice work Mike.

This is proof that it simplicity can be the key to making good whp numbers. 300 on LH is good.

Is your car still as driveable as when I was there 2 years ago?

Hell yea it is, he drives it all the time. Well not ALL the time.

TerribleOne

10-21-2009, 05:29 PM

Fyea Mike.. Thats great!

tryingbe

10-21-2009, 05:31 PM

Nice to see 744 finally on the dyno.

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 06:05 PM

Nice work Mike.

This is proof that it simplicity can be the key to making good whp numbers. 300 on LH is good.

Is your car still as driveable as when I was there 2 years ago?

Just as, if not even better.

I have pretty much zero issues with the car, starts up every time, runs like a champ, does 17-18mpg mixed @20psi driving hard from time to time, on the highway if I can keep it under 65 it should do 22+mpg.

Now that I have much much better tires it hooks up really well and tire spin is not even an issue 95% of the time.

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 06:06 PM

Hell yea it is, he drives it all the time. Well not ALL the time.

More often than most I would bet, then again I just put a walbro into the 944 so now it is going to be supa fast

F5

Thank you Kind Sir

Mueller

10-21-2009, 06:20 PM

nice...how much of that would you guess to be new-exhaust-manifold related?

shrike

10-21-2009, 06:23 PM

Just as, if not even better.

I have pretty much zero issues with the car, starts up every time, runs like a champ, does 17-18mpg mixed @20psi driving hard from time to time, on the highway if I can keep it under 65 it should do 22+mpg.

Now that I have much much better tires it hooks up really well and tire spin is not even an issue 95% of the time.

I get 17-18 mpg in my 1986, unmodified!!! Good mpg for the power!

Bones

10-21-2009, 06:53 PM

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 06:58 PM

nice...how much of that would you guess to be new-exhaust-manifold related?

Well see here is the funny part

Old setup was same just had a 531 that was cracked(remember the pics from my thread) and the 531 was also ported on the exhaust side by me. So I installed the header and put back on a stock 530 head in place of a 531 (ex side ported) and pretty well ported 90+. At the track I picked up 4mph. So figure almost a 40whp gain over my old setup.

hard to say if the header was a big case of that gain or having a head with 6+ cracks in it along with sucking coolant into #3 was slowing the old setup down. Either way it does spool a good bit quicker and pulls pretty hard up top.

Either way now that I finally have a dyno of the car I have another mod which I promise ya'll I will be able to prove how much whp you gain from it.

I need to get a stock car here to dyno and then do all of the bolt ons and redyno one at a time to try to get some rolling numbers over time for ya'll but we will see when i can afford another stock turbo car

thelostartof

10-21-2009, 07:03 PM

Wow man, congrats. Pretty cool to see 8 valve power. Gives me hope that my project will end up ok (Or I will blow everything up throwing that HRC Super16g on a high compression N/A motor).

So what does the block have in it? What's the specs / flow rate on that turbo? Why such big injectors? Any other supporting mods (electrical, suspension, etc)?

Just curious! Always helps to see how others are doing it.

Turbo specs from when I first got it are close to a GT35 compressor and a stage 4 turbine wheel(doesn't exist). Injectors are big because I sized them that way so I had room to grow. Being I am only running them at 2.5bar now means I can still go to 3bar, 3.5bar, 4bar for more fuel after that I need larger injectors but I do not know if I will push those limits.

I have Dales Wilwood kit I need to get the rest of the funds to install otherwise, HD's all around, 2 coils cut diesel springs in front, and stock wagon springs in back(will be lowered once we get the fenders rolled.

Otherwise almost all other mods are up top on what i did to get it done, also innovate XD-16 WB,knocksense from Boris, and prosport boost guage is pretty much it.

I am willing to bet if you did it right you can copy my setup for $2000-2500.

I plan on getting another stock car and building a clone of my car just doing a dyno after every engine mod to show the gains from each mod over time. After that Either sell it, or throw a lot of nitrous at it and then scrap it.

Otherwise the short block is bone stock never been opened

maxman142001

10-21-2009, 07:09 PM

I cant wait to dyno my setup after a new trans goes in and see if I can get close or surpass your numbers at 20psi with a splash of race gas. My wideband should go in this weekend to see where my AFR's are at.

P.S sorry for the thread jack

Magnum TE

10-21-2009, 07:10 PM

Grats Mike! Posts like this make me think I should have stuck with LH for another year or so insted of going theMs route when I did. It sounds like you're just cracking the whip over those EZK and LH boxes!

Trailer Trash Racer

10-21-2009, 07:23 PM

Nice numbers!

Quattro

10-21-2009, 07:25 PM

Nice numbers! :-D.Motivates me to deal with my 940 now lol.

Oil feed was leaking had to get a new fitting today.But she is running a tad better.My vac with no load is down to 10 was at 15 before and 20 under load.

Damn vac leaks i guess ill pressurize the intake side tomorrow and see what gives.Least its drivable now and idles worth a damn..

fige

10-21-2009, 11:32 PM

when u putting in your "other" mod?

linuxman51

10-21-2009, 11:32 PM

when he gets off his dead ass and finishes it.

Captain Bondo

10-22-2009, 01:02 AM

Solid numbers man.

I think it's pretty sweet what a good match those turbos have ended up being for these motors. :rockon:

thelostartof

10-22-2009, 01:11 AM

when he gets off his dead ass and finishes it.

Needs a few more hits with a hammer, some welds, and then install .... maybe who knows when, stupid 944 needed a fuel pump a few days ago and still needs exhaust redone for smog, and now I have a jetta i am doing a DP upgrade and new cat on

maxman142001

10-22-2009, 01:18 AM

after watching the vid a few times..the last pull there is a puff of smoke at the end of the run out of the engine bay and under the car, is this an exhaust leak or optical illusion?

Krisverde

10-22-2009, 01:36 AM

I want to be there for the Jetta LOL. I wanna see this thing wake up.

I hope to hit these numbers one day. I want to do it w/o getting a holset.

Blackbrick

10-22-2009, 03:52 AM

Well done Mike!

Dr Dokeh

10-22-2009, 07:09 AM

Wow, about damn time Mike!

740Weapon

10-22-2009, 07:25 AM

Good Job Mike.

I think its time for a new motor now. one with big rods and a big valve head. Then you can laugh about 350-400 WHP on LH and ruin everyone's "LH sucks" mentality.

J2_

10-22-2009, 07:49 AM

ORRRR

Get megasquirt on there, tune it, and see what the difference is ??

500dollar744ti

10-22-2009, 07:57 AM

after watching the vid a few times..the last pull there is a puff of smoke at the end of the run out of the engine bay and under the car, is this an exhaust leak or optical illusion?

there's always a small puff of smoke coming from somewhere on these motors, i'm sure it's fine.

Aga_Diff

10-22-2009, 08:07 AM

Stock 530 Head(un touched in everyway)
Wow, I thought that was almost impossible... Nice! :)

500dollar744ti

10-22-2009, 08:10 AM

it's that baller turbo he's got, it really pushes some air.

str8krewzn

10-22-2009, 08:48 AM

Glad to see that thing on the dyno with some nice numbers
Congrats

boosted12a

10-22-2009, 08:50 AM

hell yeah! now you need some 4.10 gearZ....and i need a hy35 and to get off my fat a$$ to install the lh system in the 242

McKie740

10-22-2009, 03:27 PM

Nice one Mike, hats off!

linuxman51

10-22-2009, 03:28 PM

hell yeah! now you need some 4.10 gearZ....and i need a hy35 and to get off my fat a$$ to install the lh system in the 242

no. as you make more power, your gear ratios get lower, not higher... you need the gear to get to the end within the rev limit. I'm about out of gear with the 3.73 @ 8k, 3.54 could be a very real possibility here really soon.

pwschuh

10-22-2009, 06:43 PM

no. as you make more power, your gear ratios get lower, not higher... you need the gear to get to the end within the rev limit. I'm about out of gear with the 3.73 @ 8k, 3.54 could be a very real possibility here really soon.

Yep. When I eventually replace my axle I'm thinking about something more in the 3.23 range. Not having an OD makes this especially useful.

hockey930

10-22-2009, 06:58 PM

very nice!

klr142

10-25-2009, 08:51 PM

MrBill

10-25-2009, 09:09 PM

Mike, what's the difference between your HY35CW and my he351?
I can't find pictures of it ATM

edit:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/2fast242gt/Picture096.jpg
That's yours? cause it looks like mine. care of 2fast242gt

RoadRacer4Life

10-25-2009, 09:38 PM

sweet mike I am glad to see you got that thing really rolling now..
Congrats old friend..
-Sam

DNAsEqUeNcE

10-25-2009, 10:00 PM

Nice!

RvolvoR

10-25-2009, 11:02 PM

mike actually has an he341, the he 351cw is slightly bigger on the comp side..

jao

10-25-2009, 11:39 PM

Looks like the power was going to be higher if the numbnutz dyno operator would do his job! Lock out 4th gear and clamp the kickdown cable, it's not that hard.

In any case, nice work! Especially through the auto.

actually the operator asked if it would kick down or not, mike locked it out with some vise grips.

thelostartof

10-25-2009, 11:42 PM

mike actually has an he341, the he 351cw is slightly bigger on the comp side..

Actually from my reading back then the he341 is a fake name

real name is hy35cw, that is even what it says on the wg actuator.

either way the he351 is a larger compressor wheel and housing and should flow a bit more up top

ovlover

10-26-2009, 01:02 AM

thats pretty awsome mate. Good work. Nice to see what LH can do. Thanks for posting specs, helps alot of people out in terms of direction of mods

klr142

10-26-2009, 02:20 AM

actually the operator asked if it would kick down or not, mike locked it out with some vise grips.Right on :), but what about locking out the OD and running it higher up though? :( Oh well, there's always the next round of mods and then seeing what that brings... What were the temps in the dyno room, for curiosity?

thelostartof

10-26-2009, 08:26 AM

Od was turned off via button on shifter, the issue was the operator didn't want to take it that high to be safe.

Room was prob mid 70s

klr142

10-26-2009, 09:57 AM

I mentioned the OD button because I heard it shift into 4th on the vid. Or were the pulls done in second?

thelostartof

10-26-2009, 11:53 AM

pulls were done in 3rd and OD was set off unless they turned it back on

fige

10-26-2009, 12:58 PM

it's fast

Tfest

10-26-2009, 02:22 PM

kickass, i need to dyno my car...

The Aspirator

10-27-2009, 08:40 PM

That's awesome Mike! Glad to finally hear some power figures from all the years of work you've put into the car. You've got me stumped on this new big mod you're talking about, unless it's a supercharger or an intake I'm outta guesses. What's it like switching from a small quick spooling Mitsu turbo to a huge relatively quick spooling Holset? I've never driven a mitsu car but they seem to spool crazy quick and early on.

And I can't stand those HKS blow off valves, but that's just me.