Drag Racing this weekend in MD.

[500dollar744ti]

i want to go out again this weekend and race, i'm probably going to go to MIR as Capitol sucks balls every time i go.

anybody else want to come out?

[500dollar744ti]

bah, lame.

[pwschuh]

If it was Sat afternoon I might come watch at Crapitol, but the MIR Space Station is too far away.

[towerymt]

Have fun in Mirland...I'll pass this time.

But I will heckle BNE til he goes.

[B-more]

Capital did suck did they ever open it to 1/4 mile runs or was I the only lucky one...

[towerymt]

I got a 1/4 run at 3-something and again around 5:15 as one of the last cars to go.

[str8krewzn]

What day you goin? who else is down

[500dollar744ti]

i want to go to MIR... Chris, you want to meet up there?

[str8krewzn]

i said what day foooooooo?

[500dollar744ti]

sunday @ MIR

[str8krewzn]

ill see but i think its rainin bro

[linuxman51]

both of yall need to borrow some slicks and have at least one tow vehicle.

[500dollar744ti]

rob is the only local guy with slicks. i may be able to convince mrbill to bring the silverado and the trailer but hopefully it won't be necessary.

[MrBill]

I'm close enough you can call me. I'll be at a SMIB party sunday with the gf.

Protip - if you needs the slicks, buy some ;-)

[woodrowstar]

sorry... just seemed appropriete (sp)
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[500dollar744ti]

i plan on it but right now i haven't got the funds for it, work is slow and checks are small.

[500dollar744ti]

i'm going to be at

Maryland Int'l Raceway- Sunday, Nov. 22 - www.mirdrag.com for directions

gates open at 10AM, open until 6PM

i don't have any slicks to utilize but i'll do my best. at least there won't be a bunch of half built v8 cars throwing rods and oil all over the track.

[str8krewzn]

Ill try to fit slicks to the Gems and if i cant ill buy em for teh dracos, ill see Matt but i think its goin to be raining on SUN:-(

[MrBill]

i don't have any slicks to utilize but i'll do my best. at least there won't be a bunch of half built v8 cars throwing rods and oil all over the track.



AYYYYEEEEEEEEEmen

[towerymt]

AYYYYEEEEEEEEEmen
At MIR, it's the full-built 4s you gotta worry about, not the half-built 8s.

[str8krewzn]

:( rain rain go awayyy

[500dollar744ti]

it's not supposed to rain in budds creek on sunday.

[towerymt]

well?

[Tenacious Todd]

MASON Dixon is close to me and would go there because if I break my POS the brothers house is close by :lol:

[500dollar744ti]

well?

13.2@110

[Roger-Dee]

Same trap but .2 faster, nice :)

I'd like to see the slip, r/t 60' and 1/8 times/trap

[500dollar744ti]

the official time was like 13.24@109.65 or something like that, i'll have to scan the slip.

[thelostartof]

nice, but do not you have 380+whp?

[MrBill]

yeah i agee with lostart...7xx suck :-(

[linuxman51]

not with the boost turned down.

[thelostartof]

yeah i agee with lostart...7xx suck :-(

Uh, 5 of the fastest 10 cars on here(this year) are 7xx, and 7 of 10 are 7/9 series, heck there are only two 2 series up there.

I think you have it backwards

not with the boost turned down.

so what was the boost at then?

[str8krewzn]

I think the main thing Matt and I are having problems with is traction, we both have 380whp both have sum type of lockers but both also have street tires on.

Matt did better then me, i fetherd 1st 2nd spinning threw the gears, and 3rd was ok but lost traction at 6000 or so.

I think he did ok for a full weight 740 with street tires

[thelostartof]

What did you run?

the Trap speed doesn't tell that the car has 380whp tho.

Can you post up the full slip?

[TerribleOne]

nice, but do not you have 380+whp?

Shouldn't your trap speed be a lil higher than 109?

[linuxman51]

so what was the boost at then?

I don't remember. we turned the boost down until the ignition problem went away. Ask matt.

[cosmicmonster]

380+ in bhp
but not at the wheels...110~ is pretty good. What do you expect?

[thelostartof]

380+ in bhp
but not at the wheels...110~ is pretty good. What do you expect?

Uh did you miss the thread where he put 369whp down? WHP, not bhp, only way I have seen to measure bhp is engine dyno and i doubt anyone here has used one on volvo.

either way 110mph for 370whp is far from ideal.

Having ign issues and turning the boost down to fix does make a bit of sense as that should put the whp around 320 or so, Or I guess I will find out once I get back to the dyno and track next week

[cosmicmonster]

I was there when he put 360 down.

regardless, I don't know what all this 380+ stuff is about and for that matter, I wouldn't say 110 is far from ideal, I think it's pretty damn close.

[500dollar744ti]

it's like spiking to 18psi and settling around 16, however the problem with the trap speed remains in the lifter issue. i still cannot get a full, clean pull, 1st and 2nd are okay, then 3rd boosts, drops power, comes back sometimes, 4th drops power then comes back like at the finish line. it just feels like it's dropping one or two cylinders right when you need the ****er to gooooo. the same issue it's always had but less severe than before. it doesn't really do it on the street from a roll, mainly from a stop. i found that if i do a burnout before the run it makes it even worse when i get going.

sometimes it will drop power so much so that the whole run is botched to like 99mph traps. i had one 15.5@108 and a 13.9@111, it's extremely sporadic and terribly annoying. so inconsistent that it really takes the fun out of trying to make a clean run.

time to do the springs and solid lifters for next season.

[TerribleOne]

If you have issues with too much gap, it'll usually only show up under a load like when you're on the track and the car isn't accelerating up through the rpms the way it does on a dyno.. Could be having spark blowout..
But I'd expected a car with that much top end hp to run atleast a 113-116 trap even spnning past the 60'

[thelostartof]

I was gonna say makes 8v sound more fun, or at least more consistent

as for the 380 i was asking, and it was more like 370whp so oh well off by 10whp at that point should still turn better hence why I asked since i had no idea about the issues as it seems others didn't either

[500dollar744ti]

i think linuxman51 and qwkswede both had the same types of problems before switching to solid lifters.

[ZVOLV]

I'd like to see the slip, r/t 60' and 1/8 times/trap

Me too! There is only 1/8th mile in San Diego now. :-(

On friday there were some fast cars. There is one Mitsu AWD turbo with NOS that ran a low 7 at 101mph 1/8th.

Those Jeep SRT8's are fast. They were running mid 8's stock.

I got smoked by a GMC Sierra that did a 8.9.

SRT8's, EVO's, and Subies were only running low 9's. I was suprised that the Mistu Ralliart was doing 9.0 flats stock.

[MrBill]

i think linuxman51 and qwkswede both had the same types of problems before switching to solid lifters.

so what's the status on your solid lifter conversion?

[str8krewzn]

BTW ive seen cars with slicks do mid-high 11s trapping 110mph

im sure with traction and good shifting 11s will b there

[Captain Bondo]

My heavy beast (3500 with me in it) trapped 113, spinning through the 1/8th w/ 388whp.

The trap is a bit low but not tons IMO.

[towerymt]

Shouldn't your trap speed be a lil higher than 109?
Hey, triple digits is nothing to sneeze at. :-P

[500dollar744ti]

i'm not worried about it, should be able to get up higher in the spring. winter time will give me some space to get stuff straitened out.

remember i just put this thing together, gotta iron out the rough spots.

[linuxman51]

the short answer is, at lower boost its *not* making 370 whp. Are we back to trying to prove one thing over another? How about prove this:

Vince's car seems to come up short for reason X, or Y, or Z. Consistently about 250ish wheel now for going on 8 years?
Mike hasn't had a clean pass representative of 'what its got' since he ditched the 15g.. if he even did then.
I like both of you guys, but it seems like you're both grasping for straws here and I can't figure out why. Matt's 740 put down something like 369 whp but couldn't hold on to it ignition wise, so we turned the boost down. It's as simple as that. Similar to what happened with hockey's car-it made 350 or whatever at relatively low boost, and then fell on its face at higher boost. Thats all there is.

If you want to dig for agendas and conspiracies, you need to start with why the two fastest times on the list are both 16v cars, and work the equation back from there :-P

[EricF]

I went from 104 traps to 107 traps in the 850 primarily by changing to drag radials. WOT in first and a very fast/hard 1-2 shift barely lifting made all the difference. Actual power of the car was probably pretty similar...

Also, I should note that my 60 foot times were nearly identical at 2.2x. Just the difference of going WOT from the time the clutch is out rather than having to feather the throttle and baby the 1-2 shift, feather the throttle again, was enough to get the slip that more truly reflected where the car was at.

Now, the current 850 will not have such a luxury, so we'll see where it ends up come December 11 when the **** hits the fan :)

[Captain Bondo]

My point was meant to be a combination of Eric's an Kenny's- they're (my own car included) all an assortment of cars that are just recently seeing daylight, not yet fully sorted and being driven on street tires by guys who don't drag race much.

Any of of them can lose or gain 5mph at this point really.

Matt be careful because if the motor is spazzing out that bad intermittently it could be generating really high egts on a couple cylinders, which that manifold won't appreciate much. :)

So what is the problem with 16v lifters? I haven't seen such issues with the hydraulic lifters on my whitey.

[str8krewzn]

Also i drove Matts car, and it moves, didnt feel to differnt from the 380whp that my car made his car does GO

O and also i have a lighter car, and even tho i only got one run in, i ran a super ****y 15 @105 3rd gear passin the line

[MrBill]

the short answer is, at lower boost its *not* making 370 whp. Are we back to trying to prove one thing over another? How about prove this:

Vince's car seems to come up short for reason X, or Y, or Z. Consistently about 250ish wheel now for going on 8 years?
Mike hasn't had a clean pass representative of 'what its got' since he ditched the 15g.. if he even did then.
I like both of you guys, but it seems like you're both grasping for straws here and I can't figure out why. Matt's 740 put down something like 369 whp but couldn't hold on to it ignition wise, so we turned the boost down. It's as simple as that. Similar to what happened with hockey's car-it made 350 or whatever at relatively low boost, and then fell on its face at higher boost. Thats all there is.

If you want to dig for agendas and conspiracies, you need to start with why the two fastest times on the list are both 16v cars, and work the equation back from there :-P

maybe this is a place for another thread, but what's the heebspeed solution for this, seeing 500dollarmatt has the coilpack ignition suggested by many?

I've got a boner for each coil pack getting hooked up to an MSD/equlivalent

[linuxman51]

I honestly can't really recall which series of improvements saw that issue go away. I *think* whenever I put the better valve springs in that it stopped doing that, but that happened at the same time as a couple of other things.

I've had two bouts with ignition issues.. the first is where hockey is right now--the distributor flaked past a certain point, the theory at the time was that the rotor was getting too far out of phase and the spark was either arching to another cylinder (EEEEEEK) or grounding somewhere. I made it worse by putting an msd box on the car, it blew the cap away probably 10 miles down the road.

it came back after I refreshed the engine and swapped in the phat h-beamz. At that point I was using dsm coils. it was bizarre because the car acted like it had no compression, was exacerbated by higher boost (which could have coincided with higher rpms). I put the modular ford valve springs in the head, and did not have the issue again. As far as I know, Ken Lanham hasn't had this exact issue, he had the distro phase-thing going on with his iirc.

I would be very surprised if it was a spark-energy issue. Sam is using the exact same coils on his nissan and he has *no* spark issues.

[TerribleOne]

nice, but do not you have 380+whp?

the short answer is, at lower boost its *not* making 370 whp. Are we back to trying to prove one thing over another? How about prove this:

Vince's car seems to come up short for reason X, or Y, or Z. Consistently about 250ish wheel now for going on 8 years?
Mike hasn't had a clean pass representative of 'what its got' since he ditched the 15g.. if he even did then.
I like both of you guys, but it seems like you're both grasping for straws here and I can't figure out why. Matt's 740 put down something like 369 whp but couldn't hold on to it ignition wise, so we turned the boost down. It's as simple as that. Similar to what happened with hockey's car-it made 350 or whatever at relatively low boost, and then fell on its face at higher boost. Thats all there is.

If you want to dig for agendas and conspiracies, you need to start with why the two fastest times on the list are both 16v cars, and work the equation back from there :-P

I was just trying to bust the boys balls since he thinks I'm mean for no reason.. I just wanted to prove that I was mean for no reason.. You should know that, we're related.;-)

[500dollar744ti]

maybe Towery can merge the relevent stuff from this thread to my project thread and continue discussion there.

[MrBill]

I honestly can't really recall which series of improvements saw that issue go away. I *think* whenever I put the better valve springs in that it stopped doing that, but that happened at the same time as a couple of other things.

I've had two bouts with ignition issues.. the first is where hockey is right now--the distributor flaked past a certain point, the theory at the time was that the rotor was getting too far out of phase and the spark was either arching to another cylinder (EEEEEEK) or grounding somewhere. I made it worse by putting an msd box on the car, it blew the cap away probably 10 miles down the road.

it came back after I refreshed the engine and swapped in the phat h-beamz. At that point I was using dsm coils. it was bizarre because the car acted like it had no compression, was exacerbated by higher boost (which could have coincided with higher rpms). I put the modular ford valve springs in the head, and did not have the issue again. As far as I know, Ken Lanham hasn't had this exact issue, he had the distro phase-thing going on with his iirc.

I would be very surprised if it was a spark-energy issue. Sam is using the exact same coils on his nissan and he has *no* spark issues.

I'm happy to see you describe the same issues matt has had.

I remember the first time it happened to matt. The look on his face as it had almost 0 compression for a tiny moment was priceless.

Hopefully everything works out on that motor.