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iwannadrive
03-07-2011, 12:45 AM
So, I've got an '83 244 Turbo with a crappy sound system. Whenever I turn it up to a volume where I can hear it over the exhaust, on a song with any kind of bass, I get all kinds of distortion.

The car's current audio setup as I got it from the PO consists of a jankily-installed audiovox av400 cassette deck/radio, 5.25" kenwoods in the front doors, 6.5" 105 watt jensens in the rear deck, and some wiring that I have yet to dig into (it's 10 degrees outside), but is also probably janky and hacked-up.

I'll go through the wiring when it's warmer out, but what do you guys think of as a good way to spruce up the sound quality for $100-150? I don't really want to go much over that, since I'm tight on money and the car needs suspension improvements as well.

I'm thinking head unit with aux. input, and a cheap set of both 5.25" and 6.5" speakers, like these:

$80 Kenwood Head Unit -*http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_31739_Kenwood-KDC-148.html

$25 Planet Audio 5.25's -*http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_25422_Planet-Audio-TQ522.html

$25 Planet Audio 6.5's -*http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_25419_Planet-Audio-TQ622.html

But, from what I've gathered reading up on it a bit, focusing on the front is a good idea, and that component speakers work well for a full range of sound. Is this true? If so, I could maybe just leave the jensen 6.5's I have in the rear, if they aren't blown, go with the same kenwood head unit above, and get a good set of component 5.25's, like these:

$70 -*http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_13190_MB-Quart-DSH-213.html

Is that a better idea? I suppose to further develop that idea, I could throw in a cheap 2 channel amp for the front speakers, if it helps much, but that pushes my budget a bit. Something like this:

$40 - http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17625_Sound-Storm-SSL-F2.200.html

What do you guys think? I'm a total newbie to car audio, never really been too interested in it, but mainly I just want a decent sounding system that has decent lows, mids, and high frequency ranges, that doesn't look retarded in an old volvo (think mesh speaker grilles if possible), and is pretty cheap. I listen to a lot of old-school hip hop, and sort-of jazzy stuff in general, like Pete Rock and CL Smooth, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Quantic, Bonobo, etc. FWIW.

Couple more questions:

Is a 6x9 much better than a 6.5", in terms of bass? I don't really have any reservations about cutting and drilling into my rear shelf.

Does a cheap amp help much as far as clarity and fidelity, in a decent head unit? Enough to be worth the $40, for example, of the one listed above?

Am I going to be able to have much bass without a subwoofer? I don't need anything trunk-rattling, but a little bass would be nice, as I do listen to a lot of hip hop and stuff with bass. I think I'd rather not do a sub if I can get away with it, as a sub/amp combo would take up a lot of my budget, and a chunk of my trunk space... But if it's pretty much needed for any real bass, I guess I'd consider it.

Thanks!

chillined
03-07-2011, 03:22 AM
I'll be first to respond I guess. You DO want to focus on the frontal stage for sound quality. Besides, who cares about SQ for rear passengers :P
6x9 indeed have better bass response. However, they trade a little sound quality to produce a few more hertz, down below.
Running an amp is always better than just running off the head unit power, unless the amp has higher distortion levels at same rated power, or produces less power than the head unit (lol, this would be sad.).
Bass without a subwoofer is possible, just don't expect it to have clean and quality bass. I'd STRONGLY recommend you get a sub, it's pretty much a stage 1 for speakers, stage 0 being that you check if every speaker works lol. A sub can make car audio sound a LOT better, so consider it.

Tamnakz
03-07-2011, 03:35 AM
Make the front sound the best. No question.

Try www.millionbuy.com for good prices

Marek
03-07-2011, 11:00 AM
if youre on a tight budget, look for used stuff on CL. You can score seriously awesome equipement at ridiculous prices (i know i sound like an informercial)

For a buddy's "budget setup"

ALL cl find: _kenwood components in front 25$
_sony explode dual sub case 50$
_6x9 box Explode speakers 20$
_old Orion Amp 20$
_wiring set (new) 35$
_explode cd/mp3 player 15$

his setup actually sound pretty evil (1999 Mercury cougar)


Keep in mind, the good stuff goes in front, as you want a clear sound, fillers for the back and a small sub takes care of the bass. Just wire your stuff properly (solder instead of crimps) and be sure that everything is installed in a solid way that wont rattle.

gl!

Zeeall
03-07-2011, 12:16 PM
i would suggest a kit for the front, 5.25 to 6.5 inch midrange(in the doors)+tweeter(on the dash) and instead of 6x9s in the rear get a 8 to 10 inch subwoofer.
forget about rear door or rear deck speakers.

Benjam83
03-07-2011, 02:13 PM
If you end up going the sub route: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=213080

We might be able to collaborate to save on shipping since half way would be a couple hours away......oh holy crap, you're nearly in Canada. Hmmmmmm. I dunno, we might be able to work something out. Lemme know if you're interested.

iwannadrive
03-07-2011, 06:38 PM
I'll be first to respond I guess. You DO want to focus on the frontal stage for sound quality. Besides, who cares about SQ for rear passengers :P
6x9 indeed have better bass response. However, they trade a little sound quality to produce a few more hertz, down below.
Running an amp is always better than just running off the head unit power, unless the amp has higher distortion levels at same rated power, or produces less power than the head unit (lol, this would be sad.).
Bass without a subwoofer is possible, just don't expect it to have clean and quality bass. I'd STRONGLY recommend you get a sub, it's pretty much a stage 1 for speakers, stage 0 being that you check if every speaker works lol. A sub can make car audio sound a LOT better, so consider it.Hmm, I'm definitely thinking about a sub now, if only just a cheap one.

Make the front sound the best. No question.

Try www.millionbuy.com for good pricesthanks for the link! looks like some pretty good prices on there.

if youre on a tight budget, look for used stuff on CL. You can score seriously awesome equipement at ridiculous prices (i know i sound like an informercial)

For a buddy's "budget setup"

ALL cl find: _kenwood components in front 25$
_sony explode dual sub case 50$
_6x9 box Explode speakers 20$
_old Orion Amp 20$
_wiring set (new) 35$
_explode cd/mp3 player 15$

his setup actually sound pretty evil (1999 Mercury cougar)


Keep in mind, the good stuff goes in front, as you want a clear sound, fillers for the back and a small sub takes care of the bass. Just wire your stuff properly (solder instead of crimps) and be sure that everything is installed in a solid way that wont rattle.

gl!Thanks for the suggestion on the craigslist, I don't know why I didn't think of that. Looks like an awesome setup for ~$165. I'm going to go check craigslist right after I finish writing this.

As far as wiring, sounds good. My dad is huge into electronics stuff, and I am a little too... so that won't be a problem.

If you end up going the sub route: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=213080

We might be able to collaborate to save on shipping since half way would be a couple hours away......oh holy crap, you're nearly in Canada. Hmmmmmm. I dunno, we might be able to work something out. Lemme know if you're interested.That looks great, and I'm sure it would be an amazing setup, but it's a ways out of my budget, sorry. Thanks for the offer though!


hmm...

http://brainerd.craigslist.org/ele/2249036501.html

Does this look like a good deal? I could probably throw those 6" speakers in the door cards without hacking them up too much... hmm.

iwannadrive
03-07-2011, 07:55 PM
also, are most aftermarket head units' internal amps easily defeatable? (In order to run an external amp) Is this pretty much a standard across the board?

iwannadrive
03-08-2011, 02:21 AM
I think I'm going to go with the craigslist deal I found, actually (that I linked to above). The seller was willing to go down to $65 for everything, which seems like an awesome deal. I know it's not top notch stuff by any means, and the amp is pretty weak, but still, it should sound a lot better than what I have now. I might throw the speakers on eBay too, and get some that don't look like dog **** (especially in a blue interior). (unless Sony Xplod's are a really good speaker... Then I might reconsider.

Anyone want to warn me about anything before I go through with this?

The way I see it, it's hard to even go wrong, because it's basically like getting a sub and amp for about $25, if I end up selling the speakers (brand new) on eBay. And the bandpass enclosure just plain looks badass, haha.

CAPT_BLOTTO
03-08-2011, 03:33 AM
you get what you pay for

that's why I recommend something like this:
http://shop.focal-america.com/products/productdetail/part_number=165KR/4380.0.1.1

cookiemonster
03-08-2011, 09:07 AM
you get what you pay for

that's why I recommend something like this:
http://shop.focal-america.com/products/productdetail/part_number=165KR/4380.0.1.1

I didn't even pay that much for my car!!

iwannadrive
03-08-2011, 06:38 PM
you get what you pay for

that's why I recommend something like this:
http://shop.focal-america.com/products/productdetail/part_number=165KR/4380.0.1.1lol. sorry, but that is not anywhere near relevant. $700 for just a pair of component speakers is just a wee bit out of my budget. (if there was a font for sarcasm, it would be used here)

This is a rusty '83 volvo, not an e39 bimmer. I don't need top-of-the-line stuff.


Going to pick up the sub, amp, and speakers tonight; the guy even agreed to $65 for everything. So, that, plus a cheap $20-40 head unit from our local euro forum, some wiring stuff, and some cheap $25 rear speakers to replace my blown ones, should get me a somewhat decent setup, I think.

CAPT_BLOTTO
03-08-2011, 07:03 PM
I didn't even pay that much for my car!!

a good audio system should cost way more than the car:nod:

iwannadrive
03-09-2011, 09:01 PM
picked up the sub, amp, and speakers last night. it all looks awesome. can't wait to install it. speakers ended up being too big though, I guess I had measured wrong. I'm debating on whether I should cut up my door cards for these or throw 'em up on ebay, and get a pair in the correct size (4"?). I think I might do that, actually, since I hate how the speaker grills look on these, and the red doesn't flow very well at all with my blue interior.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5137/5511261292_fb1ccef7b0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29971209@N03/5511261292/)
DSC02270 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29971209@N03/5511261292/) by iwannadrive (http://www.flickr.com/people/29971209@N03/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5294/5511261600_48a10d2b95.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29971209@N03/5511261600/)
DSC02275 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29971209@N03/5511261600/) by iwannadrive (http://www.flickr.com/people/29971209@N03/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5055/5511261974_a8206e3f53.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29971209@N03/5511261974/)
DSC02277 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29971209@N03/5511261974/) by iwannadrive (http://www.flickr.com/people/29971209@N03/), on Flickr

Also, on my current head unit, which has no preamp outs, would it be possible to run the sub/amp through the speaker-level rear outs and still retain full functionality of the rear speakers? The amp has a speaker-level input, but I'd think if I split the speaker-level inputs of the rear speakers to drive the amp as well, my rear speakers would be cut down on power. Am I right?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5173/5510663489_73763640a3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29971209@N03/5510663489/)
DSC02279 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29971209@N03/5510663489/) by iwannadrive (http://www.flickr.com/people/29971209@N03/), on Flickr

iwannadrive
03-26-2011, 12:30 AM
So, got a used AIWA head unit in the mail yesterday for a great deal, and it turned out to be DOA. ****. I was excited to finally install everything this weekend too.

anyone have any ideas as to where I can find a cheap head unit/stereo? Like around $20-30 with preamp outs? Anyone have anything laying around? I'm not picky, as long as it's cheap.

I'm kinda thinking now that if I can't find another very decent head unit for cheap, I might just sell the sub, amp and speakers, and use the money for suspension and other go-fast parts.

harribert
03-26-2011, 01:06 AM
You might want to scour CL. It is easy to find decent brand name head units for about $100 or so. It's better to spend a wee bit more now than having to rewire your head unit **** down the line.

iwannadrive
03-26-2011, 01:13 AM
You might want to scour CL. It is easy to find decent brand name head units for about $100 or so. It's better to spend a wee bit more now than having to rewire your head unit **** down the line.Already done. I can rewire headunits all day, it's just that I don't have money, haha. I might try a few pawn shops tomorrow, haha.

harribert
03-26-2011, 01:22 AM
For sure. That's an important detail for me, as even the most basic wiring diagrams baffle me :-P

Dirk242
03-26-2011, 06:51 PM
I like your taste in music!