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Fivehundred
03-07-2011, 07:04 PM
It is decision time, my 940 proved yesterday that Swedish cars do have a sense of humour. It decided its birthday present to me was throwing its toys out of the pram, or more precisely spitting its water out round the engine compartment.

I'm not entirely sure what it has done, but it used 2 litres of water in 8 miles:rofl:

When I started it this morning it was reluctant to turn over, indicative I think of a bit of water in the bores. It then started easily, but it doesn't run terribly well. When it was cold the clouds of oily steam out of the back were spectacular. Literally all I could see in the mirrors was blueish smoke. I think it has either spectacularly blown the head gasket or cracked something.

The engine has done a bit over 220K miles, and I know it has a lot of bore wear from when I did the head gasket about 65K miles ago. Basically although the engine does still run it is toast. The question I'm asking myself is do I

a) Scrap it and buy another car

b) Lob in a used engine and call it good, I do have one

c) Clean out a good bottom end I have, re ring and re bearing it, lob in a set of Pauter rods (got those too) and top it off with a 531 head? Originally I was going to put a set of stainless Manley valves in the head. There is however a fly in that ointment. Dom Santiago of this parish has both my valves and the $165.00 I paid for them which is boringly "Turbobricks". I do have an IPD cam in the car which should go again.

It was kind of sad driving it this morning, sick though it was it still wanted to go. I've been everywhere in that car, from Norway down to Portugal and Spain. I once made it tow a loaded car trailer 980 miles in 18 hours non stop. On another occasion I drove it from Oslo to Rome in a weekend. I started at 5.30 on Friday afternoon in Oslo, got to my meeting in Rome at 8.30 monday morning and had 3 full nights sleep..

Just in case I scrap it, here are a few highlights.....

In the middle of Sweden

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In the Alps

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Meeting a friend in Germany

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Cracking 100K miles

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Hard at work

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Afsluitdijk in Holland

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Baking in Spain

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And feeling chilly, this is just a few weeks back..

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I've lost count of the number of ferry crossings we've made, This is Switserland to Italy

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Austria

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And losts of towed 2CVs

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professor245
03-07-2011, 07:12 PM
It's an awesome car, go with C, and if the funds allow a little overbore:)

DO NOT SCRAP THAT CAR!!!

gear whine
03-07-2011, 07:14 PM
1st off all i have to say is what a great car with alot of trips and memories under its belt!

great phototrip!

if i was you, i would most definitely NOT SCRAP the car, its not worth it.

either put the spare engine in and save you some money and call it a day

or go for C and build it up a little bit to give you even more trips and memories and most of all crankin out as many miles on that brick as you can!

the decision is yours, choose wisely.

760T man
03-07-2011, 07:19 PM
<span style="font-size:12em">Option C!</span>

sandrock740
03-07-2011, 07:20 PM
do not junk it give it a new heart :nod:

hathos
03-07-2011, 07:42 PM
thread needs moar poll


but i go with option C

Fivehundred
03-07-2011, 08:02 PM
If I go for C I'll take it off the road and give it a little make over. I have a st of V90 door handles and I make do a couple of other tweeks whilst I'm at it. The front end desperately needs a respray. The only other time it has broken down seriously is 2 days after I bought it. It had done 55K miles when I bought it, it is now on 222K. Anyway, 2 days after I bought it the gearbox failed, this is a factory manual M90 car BTW. I rang around for a gearbox but I couldn't find one; except for one.

I know the guy who had the box quite well and it came out of a B200FT engined airport taxi. He told me that car had done 375K miles. He said "look, I drove the car into the yard and the gearbox worked fine, but I don't like selling mechanical components out of a car with that sort of mileage. I've known you a long time and we're not going to fall out over a gearbox".

I told him I understood the box was high mileage, but it would get me out of trouble so could I have it please? He sold it to me for a fairly nominal sum, the equivalent of $100 or so and I promised him I wouldn't get mad if it failed. Back then good boxes were fetching $1500 or so! So far it is working just fine. It is getting just slightly baulky, but I think it is entitled to given it seems to have done 540K miles now. I guess a replacement box is on the menu too if I give the car a fresh lease of life.

Although it is very poorly at the moment it made it to the workshop under its own steam today, literally in fact:-(. In the 165K miles or so I've driven it the only time it has needed to be towed is when the gearbox went. It has been fixed by the side of the road just once, in Sweden when the adjuster for the alternator snapped and it ran its battery flat before I noticed. I could fix the adjuster with bits scavenged from the airco pump adjuster, but I couldn't start the car with a dead flat battery so someone had to come out to jump it. Unfortunately they took just over 6 hours to do so.

Does anyone know Dom Santiago BTW? I'd really like those bloody valves.......

professor245
03-07-2011, 09:02 PM
Go fro V90 handles, put V90 rear bumper, spoiler on the tailgate, change trans oil, change the block or repair it, and drive for next 500k in style!

Sean
03-07-2011, 09:06 PM
Option B, THEN C..

Hagar17
03-07-2011, 09:54 PM
motors are wear items - if your car has a soul then give it new life!

then again its just a car right?

Stephen
03-07-2011, 09:55 PM
1. crush it
2. post pics
3. watch people bitch and moan
4. buy pristine volvo for cheeeeaaaaaaapppp like all you other yourapeeins do
5. ????
6. profit

chirish1234
03-08-2011, 12:01 AM
I'm still surprised no one mentioned that he was doing 125....BRAVO! lol I wonder if it had more to go :-P

smokeyfan1000
03-08-2011, 12:35 AM
She's been to good to you to leave her now.:nod: Treat her to a shopping spree, and som TLC. OPTION C is my opinion.

propav8r
03-08-2011, 12:40 AM
Go with option B first while you work on option C. That way you can drive it and still be inspired to work on it.

gear whine
03-08-2011, 12:59 AM
Go with option B first while you work on option C. That way you can drive it and still be inspired to work on it.

THIS.

JohnMc
03-08-2011, 10:30 AM
THIS.

THAT!

volvomaniac
03-08-2011, 11:18 AM
THAT!

Exactly.

professor245
03-08-2011, 11:38 AM
Exactly.

Right!

Fivehundred
03-08-2011, 03:25 PM
Option B then C isn't going to happen. I hate doing stuff twice. Do it once, do it right.

Fivehundred
03-08-2011, 06:05 PM
In no small part because of the rats nest of wiring on this car; this was the last (and only) time I had the head off it. All the extra wiring and the injectors on top of the cam cover run the LPG gas injection system.

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Fivehundred
03-09-2011, 05:53 AM
I'm still surprised no one mentioned that he was doing 125....BRAVO! lol I wonder if it had more to go :-P

A bit, but they start to run out of steam fairly rapidly after that. It used to get cruised regularly on the Autohahn at a steady 110 or so.

In reality though a 940 just isn't capable of playing with the big boys; it'll get up to just shy of 140mph but it can't sustain it. However it is only really noticeable in Germany.

On one occasion I beat my colleague back to England, he'd decided to fly home from Frankfurt, I drove the 940; fully loaded with exhibition stuff. I dropped him off at departures and hit the autobahn. I drove through Germany, Holland, Belgium and France and caught the ferry to England just right. I only waited about 10 minutes to get on.

I was sitting in my living room 90 minutes before my colleague I'd dropped off could say the same.

Volvo244GLE
03-09-2011, 06:13 AM
Option C, option A is just silly considering how nice it looks

Mr.Borrie
03-09-2011, 06:28 AM
I dunno, classic UK'ers would scrap but your part dutch too. That means your cheap so you will install the engine you got around.

Fivehundred
03-09-2011, 07:14 AM
Option C, option A is just silly considering how nice it looks

I dunno, classic UK'ers would scrap but your part dutch too. That means your cheap so you will install the engine you got around.

I wrote myself a list, I'm weakening. I may drag its sorry arse into the workshop and fix it. I came up with this as an outline plan. The car already has a Zorst and sports cat.



Number 52 project
Engine

Bottom end, used no wear lip, unknown Have
Pauter rods Have
Standard pistons
New rings Required
New big ends Required
Deck the block
Inspect mains, if good re use
Inspect oil pump, if good re use
Genuine head gasket Have
Bottom end gaskets Required

Head

531 head Have
Clean up ports
Skim
Get valves from American tosser; or not
Re use IPD cam from existing engine
Drill K jet ports for gas injectors Have nipples

Clutch
Re use dog dish and diesel clutch,
Has done 20K miles

Engine mounts

Find set of 740 rubber engine mount Required
brackets, ditch hydraulic mounts

Other

B23 ET oil cooler set up? Have
Ditch oil water heat exchanger

Raise compression ratio

LPG chips for LH 2.4 Required

15G ported turbo Have, needs porting

Adjustable cam gear Have

Gearbox
Fit younger M90, fix original box?

Body

Paint tail gate spoiler, has clear coat fail
Paint D pillar to roof finishers
Fit late style load bay side window trim ??
Repair dent in rear wing
V90 rear bumper Require
V90 skirts, body colour
Alter front bumper
Repaint bonnet
V90 door handles Have
Paint tail gate handle
Paint front wings

Interior

Dark grey V90 headlining

Wheels

Retain 15" Adhara or Galaxies?

Anyone seen Dom Santiago or have an address for him? I'd like my valves....

GMS
03-09-2011, 12:17 PM
If you are going to scrap it, you are going to break my swedish volvo heart because that car looks like its in DAMN good condition body wise. I'd say go with C!

D.E
03-09-2011, 12:27 PM
If you are going to scrap it, you are going to break my swedish volvo heart because that car looks like its in DAMN good condition body wise. I'd say go with C!

Agreed. You don't scrap a Volvo until you can see through at least 20% of the bodywork and every panel is dented.

Unless it's a 740.

Fivehundred
03-09-2011, 01:15 PM
If you are going to scrap it, you are going to break my swedish volvo heart because that car looks like its in DAMN good condition body wise. I'd say go with C!

Agreed. You don't scrap a Volvo until you can see through at least 20% of the bodywork and every panel is dented.

Unless it's a 740.

It's a nice theory but the reality is that this car wouldn't sell for scrap money right now, the only thing people would want off it is the valuable bits; Alpine sound system and sat nav, sports cat and stainless exhaust, Prins LPG gas injection kit.

The cars are dying wholesale, I tried to give a rot free engineless V90 away, one owner, never crashed, no dents, silver and ended up scrapping it because no one wanted it. This car in fact. I saw another V90 driven into a scrap yard last year and crushed; 150K km from new, and it ran perfectly, dark blue metallic, oak leather interior. Why did the owner want it crushed you ask? It needed 2 new front brake disks and pads all round....

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Thefuzz
03-09-2011, 01:33 PM
It needed 2 new front brake disks and pads all round....


That's just horrible! I the V90s are awesome, I'd love to have the whole front and the rear bumber from one of 'em. Makes the car looks so much newer.

Fivehundred
03-12-2011, 05:03 PM
I shoved the 940 into the workshop today; it may just live. I have a plan.....:lol:


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Yellow240
03-12-2011, 07:02 PM
The :lol: makes me think it's a very nice plan :-P

Fivehundred
03-12-2011, 07:38 PM
The :lol: makes me think it's a very nice plan :-P

I don't know about nice, but the plan is this; the car is starting to look a bit tired which isn't really that surprising after 220K miles. If I just lob an engine in it I know I'll just press it back into use so I think that whilst I put an engine together I'll do a bit of body work.

Engine

1998 bottom end, re ring it and stick in new big ends.
Pauter forged rods just because
Deck the block to get the squish right
531 head, with a bit of attention to the exhaust ports and bigger exhaust valves. (Have I mentioned Dom Santiago owes me some valves?)
Re use IPD camshaft
Re use 120 amp alternator
Increase compression ratio to suit the octane rating of LPG
740 Solid engine mounts.

Transmission

Fit lower mileage M90
Re use clutch and dogdish flywheel

Wheels

Fit a set of antracite Galaxies

Body

V90 front bumper
V90 rear bumper
V90 skirts
V90 door handles
Re paint front wings and bonnet as well as the bumpers
Panel beat OS rear wing, it is still dented and re paint it.

Interior

See if I can find a set of black leather seats to replace the grey ones
New speakers
V90 rear D pillar speakers

Boost control

If I up the compression ratio for LPG I need to be able to drop the boost if I run it on ordinary unleaded. I think I'll fit an adjustable electyronic boost controller. I can't be bothered to keep messing with a mechanical one.

TheJoyOfSix
03-12-2011, 07:40 PM
Wheels

Retain 15" Adhara or Galaxies?



There are a couple of sets of Aurigas kicking about for cheap at the mo, get them instead.

Fivehundred
03-12-2011, 07:44 PM
There are a couple of sets of Aurigas kicking about for cheap at the mo, get them instead.

I have the Galaxies......

And Mr Dokeh has contributed a strut brace for little more than a few lumps of metal with a picture of the queen on them. Who'd have thought, a Welsh Royalist.....

Fivehundred
03-12-2011, 07:51 PM
I may even replace the broken bulbs in the various switches you had the temerity to complain about:-P Or ask Roger, he likes electrical things.

Fivehundred
03-13-2011, 04:36 PM
I had a play today and removed the front bumper from the car to have a look at putting the V90 bumper on the car. On the standard bumper mounts the V90 bumper sits far too far forward.

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I therefore removed the bumper shocks as well. Fortunately someone had parked a V90 in the local super market car park and I snagged its mounts before they came out. V90s are a bit like P1800s, you know that sooner or later they'll yield some useful bits.

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A quick trial fit and I think it has potential, it just needs the V90 mounts welding onto the 940 legs. I do have a better bumper than the scabby one I was playing with today.

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Mad Adder
03-13-2011, 05:19 PM
Junk that big of ****.....







<<<<< Right over here. Good luck on the rebuild. That car is worth it.

Mr.Borrie
03-13-2011, 09:12 PM
Good

Fivehundred
08-03-2011, 08:13 PM
I actually laid a spanner on it tonight! But I haven't got the engine out yet. I'm starting to wonder what actually went wrong. There appear to be brass shavings in the engine. However, despite the enormous clouds of oil, there is no oil/water mayonaise in the hoses or around the cam at all. The bearings sounded fine when I stopped it. I wonder if the turbo spectacularly failed? Weird, I'll have to pull it apart and see.

Redwood Chair
08-04-2011, 09:09 AM
Lob an engine in there, at least you are dealing with a known quantity.

You can always find another bag of headaches to sort out from scratch.

Redwood Chair
08-04-2011, 09:10 AM
DP TB

VQ
08-04-2011, 11:25 AM
Wait, why would you change to the bulky earlier oil cooler for? The later one unless it leaks is perfect, just reseal it and keep using it!

Otherwise I'm liking this project!

Fivehundred
08-04-2011, 04:07 PM
Wait, why would you change to the bulky earlier oil cooler for? The later one unless it leaks is perfect, just reseal it and keep using it!

Otherwise I'm liking this project!

My logic was to try and control the heat better. Dump oil heat into the air rather than the coolant. One of this car's party tricks is destroying the cast iron waste gate housing on the turbo. It's on it's third one, the turbo cartridge is original. However I pulled the housaing off today and the porting I did on it and on the exhaust manifold seems to have done the trick. It's still perfect as is the seat for the waste gate flap.

The LPG does create a lot of heat, and running more compression wil only exacerbate that. There again it's never over heated until it did so the other day.

The turbo itself is fine, it definitely hasn't failed. All I can see wrong is a very minor blow from the headgasket from a pot to a waterway. However the fire ring is still intact, the gasket material hasn't disappeared.

I've no idea where the metallic grit gas come from.

Fivehundred
10-22-2011, 06:32 PM
I actually acquired something for it today. I really really need to do something to this car. My grand achievement............:bleh:

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240brik
10-23-2011, 04:22 AM
Good decision, love the car!

volvorsport
10-23-2011, 09:10 AM
what you cutting merc wings up for..........

Fivehundred
10-23-2011, 09:51 AM
what you cutting merc wings up for..........

It'll be a Volvo wing soon......

I think it'll be happier for it.

Mr.Borrie
10-23-2011, 10:28 AM
whut..

Turbosteen
10-23-2011, 01:13 PM
I wanna see that on a Volvo, food for thought:nod:

Fivehundred
10-23-2011, 03:46 PM
I wanna see that on a Volvo, food for thought:nod:

Watch this space; I just hope you're patient though given my glacial progress.

I nearly acquired a Peugeot 307 HDI diesel the other day. The thought of sinking that low stirred me into at least a little progress.:oops:

volvo78244
10-23-2011, 04:00 PM
I nearly acquired a Peugeot 307 HDI diesel the other day

STOP!!! Clear your mind! Start building up that 940 again.
If you buy a Peugeot, you might as well start ****ting your pants, french rubbish.

TheJoyOfSix
10-23-2011, 05:56 PM
Ah, you found one - I'll stop looking then!

Fivehundred
06-08-2013, 06:16 PM
Lob an engine in there, at least you are dealing with a known quantity.

You can always find another bag of headaches to sort out from scratch.

It only took me two years to come round to this point of view; I've been tripping over the damn thing constantly. I had a 531 head skimmed, I have a head gasket and I'm going to lob in an engine.....

DurableSwedish
06-08-2013, 08:47 PM
cant you get nice 940s over there for super cheap due to expired MOT?

Fivehundred
06-08-2013, 09:06 PM
So many have been scrapped I reckon their prices are slowly rising; very slowly.

I can't be bothered to swap the good stuff out of this car into another one one. All it needs is a bit of motivation on my part.

Fivehundred
06-13-2013, 04:56 PM
I've got the head back and I'm planning to fit a Buchka spark board. I've made the plug for the back of the head, this won't fall out any time soon!

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Mr.Borrie
06-13-2013, 06:02 PM
whats wrong with the normal block off again? old ones leak but new ones are fine (on my 360 at least)

Fivehundred
06-13-2013, 06:15 PM
My Dutch heritage won't allow me to spend 3 Euros when I can make one out of a distributor.......

Every now and then those plugs do pop out, this won't.

Mr.Borrie
06-14-2013, 04:11 AM
My Dutch heritage won't allow me to spend 3 Euros when I can make one out of a distributor.......

Cannot argue with that , dem feels

Fivehundred
07-10-2013, 04:52 PM
Proof positive that I actually did something. The head is shimmed, it's bolted to the replacement block, I swapped over the flywheel and clutch and lifted the new engine into place...

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+Kardboard+
07-10-2013, 10:18 PM
That bumper needs to be on that car. Yes!

georgestrait66
08-22-2013, 10:25 PM
--a "thanks for putting that song in my head" bump.

linuxman51
08-22-2013, 10:47 PM
i'm just going to leave this here:

http://forums.tbforums.com/showthread.php?t=282373