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Captain Bondo
03-10-2011, 11:43 PM
Need to mount a kill switch somewhere. Not many good options.

Any thoughts/examples?

crandandall
03-10-2011, 11:48 PM
In the bumper? I'm assuming you're talking about a battery cutoff switch.

blkaplan
03-10-2011, 11:49 PM
integrate it into the rear cabin vent.

gear whine
03-10-2011, 11:49 PM
custom taillight?

french it into the bumper?

rear quarter just next to tailight?

Crazychopstick
03-10-2011, 11:54 PM
custom taillight?


OMG yes.

Build something like this so the light swings open.

http://image.customrodder.com/f/9063036+w750+st0/0601cr_01_z+fuel_door+.jpg

Redwood Chair
03-11-2011, 02:25 AM
Not mine.

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adrianpike
03-11-2011, 02:35 AM
Drop an email to adrian at pikeapps dot com and I'll send you the photos I just took - I'm on my phone and it'll be a PITA to host them right now.

You can kinda see it in my sig pic, but I'm using the summit relocater kit out the back. My battery's in the right rear buttcheek.

towerymt
03-11-2011, 09:32 AM
integrate it into the rear cabin vent.
that's too easy for the cap'n

i drift volvos
03-11-2011, 10:34 AM
Mine is probably not legal...but it's where my buttcheek use to be. It's nice because you can't really see it when looking at it yet easy to get to.

Captain Bondo
03-11-2011, 11:01 AM
I think it has to be literally on the back of he car, not just the rear half - would it even be NHRA legal integrated into the rear vent? I will have to double check. If it can be mounted something like that, then that's fine, I'll mount it to the buttcheek or something, but i thought it had to be on the back.

Half the problem is most of the switches are also mega-ugly.

Maybe on the c pillar just above the tail light.

Bumper is a no go as I daily the car so I don't want it that "exposed" .

It's be nice if they made something that mounted pretty flush but had an easily removable handle on it, so you could just install the handle when you go to the track.

Fivehundred
03-11-2011, 11:28 AM
Does it have to be mechanical? If not just use a hefty battery isolator operated by a momentary push button. Most if not all modern rally cars are set up like that. Far easier to position and far shorter lengths of heavy duty wiring.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Motorsport/Electrical_Components/Battery_Isolators_Master_Switches/ETA_921_Battery_Isolation_Switch/1594/0/15924

Ambulances here use these so the crew can instantaneously cut all electrics if there is an incident or if they leave the vehicle. They're a good source of very high spec used ones. I wouldn't be surprised if military surplus places will have them too.

Mark
03-11-2011, 11:49 AM
Yeah if my memory of the NHRA rules serves, it has to be mounted directly on the rear of the car. Which is too bad because the little side vent would be the perfect location. My idea was to mount it inboard and use something like this (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-830051/) and drill a hole right through the taillight, then create a little red cap for the hole and mount the extender only on track days.

M.

smokeyfan1000
03-11-2011, 11:59 AM
I think it has to be literally on the back of he car, That is my understanding too. SCCA has the same requirement too I believe.

sdturbo
03-11-2011, 12:58 PM
NHRA wants it in the back. I would get the T handle extension deal and mount it push/pull style through the rear bumper.

ZVOLV
03-11-2011, 01:40 PM
You would want it on the back in case the car is flipped on its side.

adrianpike
03-11-2011, 03:03 PM
Bumper is a no go as I daily the car so I don't want it that "exposed" .

Yeah, that's been a concern of mine too, but luckily I haven't lost my radio settings yet due to some kid thinking they're funny... A bigger concern is somebody clicking it while the car is running and giving me a sooper bitchen(tm) spike. One of these days I need to figure out how to wire in an alt kill.

It's be nice if they made something that mounted pretty flush but had an easily removable handle on it, so you could just install the handle when you go to the track.

The handle that summit sells and Mark mentioned has a little heim joint that would be pretty easy to take off.

RvolvoR
03-11-2011, 03:11 PM
NHRA wants it in the back. I would get the T handle extension deal and mount it push/pull style through the rear bumper.

you can also do this in a spare tail light and just swap the lights out for street and track appropriately.

ermit71
03-11-2011, 03:12 PM
Kenny,

If I recall correctly you have an electrical flap for a trailer harness or something already in the rear bumper?

If so could that not be the connection point for a handle?

If not this crack is really really good!!!!!!!!:lol:

RvolvoR
03-11-2011, 03:12 PM
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff219/21949305/IMG_5154.jpg

pat244ti
03-11-2011, 03:14 PM
I can't find pictures of mine, but on my 244 I mounted mine on a panel behind the gas door because I am running a cell. You more than likely have a hole where gas is supposed to go behind your gas door I am assuming

Captain Bondo
03-11-2011, 03:16 PM
you can also do this in a spare tail light and just swap the lights out for street and track appropriately.

Nice! That is a great idea. I think I'll do that, because there's just no nice place on a wagon, and I don't need a kill switch 99% of the time.

My other concern putting it on the bumper is even in a very minor rear-ender, it's basically the first thing to get hit. I can see a very minor bump from behind pushing it into the car and shorting it out on the chassis, or some other stupid problem like that. I just don't like it.

Jason,

ya I have that trailer wiring connector back there, i could hide it in that, but realistically I'd kinda like to be rid of that bumper and associated trailer hitch connector at some point. :)

RvolvoR
03-11-2011, 03:20 PM
Nice! That is a great idea. I think I'll do that, because there's just no nice place on a wagon, and I don't need a kill switch 99% of the time.

My other concern putting it on the bumper is even in a very minor rear-ender, it's basically the first thing to get hit. I can see a very minor bump from behind pushing it into the car and shorting it out on the chassis, or some other stupid problem like that. I just don't like it.

Jason,

ya I have that trailer wiring connector back there, i could hide it in that, but realistically I'd kinda like to be rid of that bumper and associated trailer hitch connector at some point. :)

also, since you have a wagon, make sure you get the nhra approved moroso battery box (there is only one on the market thats approved and its the nhra one) because you probably do not want to go through the hassle of enclosing the rear trunk area like NHRA wants for cars that have a battery mounted in the rear.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MOR-74050/

thelostartof
03-11-2011, 03:59 PM
My plan was to get a license plate bracket that was like the older cars that had a hinge and would swing down and then just hide the switch back there. When at the track you can just lock it down or remove the plate for access to it.

Captain Bondo
03-11-2011, 05:01 PM
My plan was to get a license plate bracket that was like the older cars that had a hinge and would swing down and then just hide the switch back there. When at the track you can just lock it down or remove the plate for access to it.

In around the license plate is the obvious choice for a sedan. If I had a sedan this threwad would not exist.

That does not work are all for a wagon at all though unless you plan on stringing battery cables through your tailgate hinges somehow.

Asher - since the battery is in the rear buttcheek, I am thinking if I put sheetmetal underneath the interior panel that covers the spar tire well, and bolted the panel down, it would essentially be a firewall. It'd be as isolated from the passenger compartment as if it were in the engine bay, and also vented via the drain in the buttcheek.

I dunno if this will actually fly or not, but I think I will try it.

RvolvoR
03-11-2011, 05:16 PM
I don't think it will because it needs to be ' sealed' off from everything else

Captain Bondo
03-11-2011, 06:09 PM
I don't think it will because it needs to be ' sealed' off from everything else

Yeah it will be. Moreso than if it were in the engine bay. I will post pics. It's easy to do so I might as well try it.

I think at the very least they'll let me through tech with it that way once, so not much to lose.
Even with the big wheels and what not, they didn't expect much when i turned up in the wagon last time, they didn't even look under the hood or at the battery. :rofl:

WeezilUSA
03-11-2011, 06:44 PM
As cool as having one w/ the tail light would be, like already mentioned, I think the linkage style one is your best bet... Could just remove the long arm while not racing and there is only a small hole in the back of the butt cheek.

Captain Bondo
03-11-2011, 06:53 PM
As cool as having one w/ the tail light would be, like already mentioned, I think the linkage style one is your best bet... Could just remove the long arm while not racing and there is only a small hole in the back of the butt cheek.

The tail light would be in conjunction with a linkage style switch. The linkage is mounted to the tail light. You disconnect the rod, remove the two 8mm nuts that hold the tail light in, and swap the "normal" tail light back in. I'll put a weatherpack on the tail light harness so it's just plug'n'play.

That said I could also feed the push/pull thing through a hole in the C-pillar and just use a small rubber plug in the hole when it is removed... but, the tail light method means no extra holes in the car for paint to chip etc though, and it'd be pretty baller.

I kind doubt that down by the buttcheek is acceptable, plus my eventual rear diffuser will cover the buttcheeks. :ninja:

Jordan
03-11-2011, 06:57 PM
Yeah tail light would be cool. Thats my vote.

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pwschuh
03-11-2011, 08:23 PM
That said I could also feed the push/pull thing through a hole in the C-pillar and just use a small rubber plug in the hole when it is removed...

D pillar?

Joel142S
03-12-2011, 06:43 AM
My isolator switch is also hooked up to a ring pull out the top of the bonnet my drivers side.

Wouldn't be there if it weren't a track car to begin with though.

Bigbegum69
03-12-2011, 09:27 AM
I like mounting it in the cabin where the driver can reach it and then run a cable to the back of the car. or the other way around.

I never understood why people mount them where they can not reach them in the event of an accident.

Joel142S
03-12-2011, 09:59 AM
I like mounting it in the cabin where the driver can reach it and then run a cable to the back of the car. or the other way around.

I never understood why people mount them where they can not reach them in the event of an accident.

Exactly, which is why mine's accessible from inside on the console aswell

dbarton
03-13-2011, 03:37 AM
Switches with removeable keys are pretty easy to find.
http://www.amazon.com/Removable-Onoff-Battery-Switch-Master/dp/B001O0CMTW

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21k4rPa1cQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

RvolvoR
03-13-2011, 04:42 AM
nhra says the switch has to be on the rear of the vehicle and you can't use switches with removable keys like that ^

B-dub
03-13-2011, 05:36 AM
nhra says the switch has to be on the rear of the vehicle and you can't use switches with removable keys like that ^

Found that out after I installed mine in the bumper. Does look sexy though. ...and of course I can't find any pictures.

RSI peeps feel free to snap and post a pic if you want ;)

As cool as having one w/ the tail light would be, like already mentioned, I think the linkage style one is your best bet... Could just remove the long arm while not racing and there is only a small hole in the back of the butt cheek.
This is on my short list right after getting the car running again. lol

Captain Bondo
03-13-2011, 09:21 PM
Ya removable key one is a no-go.

I am thinking the tail light setup will be pretty cool. :)