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towerymt
04-13-2011, 08:01 AM
The home race for Philly based RACE TEAM!! was run last weekend at NJMP Lightning.

We spent Thursday afternoon working on the car, installing the wideband, replacing the center support bearing/bushing, mounting wheels/tires, hammering stuff, and swapping/modifying the gas filler neck for quicker refueling. Put the car on the trailer and headed to the dealer for an alignment, then clean up and head to the track Thursday night. Unloaded & unpacked some stuff while cranking the RTHiFi and drinking off the keg of Festbier.

Friday it rained and rained and rained, but we signed up for practice anyway and we all drove the car. We needed to see the track, and the car needed some laps to make sure everything was working, which it was, of course. The track is fast, and was quite slick in the wet. Had a far too leisurely lunch at the clubhouse, then put the car through safety and BS inspection. John of Evil Genius passed our hooptie through tech and judge Phil put us in Class B (The Bad) with 0 laps. "What's the worst that could happen, a Volvo wins?" I think he liked my accounting ledger written in crayon, filed in our Cheetah binder with a slew of junkyard receipts to justify the +Turbo.

Friday night weather was awful so we packed up and headed back to Pete's for the night, but not before fixing the WG actuator that wasn't bolted to the turbo at all. We installed a bleed valve and tuned the boost in the paddock with 2nd gear pulls to confirm 0.5bar. The B230F has ~230k miles and ~75hr race time on it, so we didn't push it too hard.

Saturday started off cloudy but dry, and it only got better. I started the race and it was going great for about the first hour. We were seeing 11.3 to 11.9 AFRs at WOT, however the car momentarily filled with exhaust smoke twice per lap at the two heavy braking points, due to the sudden lift off from full throttle. Oh well, can't do anything about it now. I was definitely passing more cars than were passing me, which is a little different from what we're used to. 215/45/16 front, 245/45/16 rear Hankook RS2, so the balance was slight understeer. Good for this track cause it's fast and has two blind crests where the car gets light. Around lap 25, I've got nothing in front or behind for many lengths, so I take it deep into turn 1, brake too late, run out of track, and put two off at the outside of 1. Black flag, come in, chat with the judge, and he lets me back out w/o a penalty, "next time I'll throw the book at you". I took it easy for the next hour. The brakes felt great all weekend (Volvo pads front, Hawk HP+ rear, ATE blue fluid, SS lines, new non-pinched rear hard line, new rear calipers).

Micah drove 2nd, put in a clean session, made no mistakes, but did get tagged by the MGB GT (eventual IOE winner) during an ill advised 5 wide moment. Our bumper left a nice gash in their fender, and we picked cheetah fuzz out of their wound when they pit soon after the contact. Andy was in next and I assume it was going well til about 2/3 into his stint, he pits unexpectedly because the CBV flange bolts fell out. Pete found some bolts and we got them in and sent him back out.

Pete drove next. Prepare for team captain domination! After burning off a bunch of fuel, he sets our fast lap of the race. A few laps later he's black flagged for exhaust hanging/dragging cause a hanger bolt in the back rattled out. On the in-lap, he's still pushing hard and spins on someone's oil on the last turn at about 60mph and takes a detour through the grass/dirt/mud before hitting pit lane. We jacked up the front and inspected the front suspension, didn't find anything significant, just the massive (but pre-existing) play in the rack/inner tie rods. Six more laps and the day is done.....12th place, 2nd in class B, about a dozen laps behind the class leader. Only way we catch Team Paisley is if they have a big problem on Sunday.

Saturday night was good food, friends, and beer. The Alfa Romeo team served up another outstanding pasta dinner. We swapped a front control arm immediately after the racing was over for the day. The one on the car had a bad rear bushing which was affecting alignment.

Sunday morning we changed the left front tire that took a beating Saturday, set tire pressures, and sent Pete out first. About 40 laps in, Pete pits for oil after losing oil pressure momentarily in the long, banked right sweeper that leads onto the straight. We sent him back out to finish the last 1/3 of a tank of gas and then he pits again. I got in next, we added more oil, and I was set on making the car last. I upshifted earlier and I started lifting off the gas slowly instead of coming off the gas suddenly. I noticed I wasn't getting the exhaust smoke in the car, so it seemed to help. It let me drive the line I wanted since I wasn't rushing into the corners, and as a result the lap times became more consistent.

During my ~60 lap session, the extra gauge panel screwed to the side of the instrument cluster became unscrewed, so it was flopping around. As I'm bombing through the fast right hander under the bridge with nothing in front of me, I looked at the gauge and thought I saw the needle wiggle between 2-3 bar. I braked and turned into the slowest corner on the track and the needle drops all the way to 0 bar. Clutch in, coast around the turn, oil pressure pops back up to 3, and I drove it straight into the pits. There was no oil on the dipstick and it was taking 2 quarts at each stop. Around 10-15 quarts consumed/leaked during the race.

Andy gets in next, and while topping off the oil, Micah spilled a bit down the valve cover and it lit off when it reached the hot exhaust manifold. He grabbed the extinguisher and put it out, then it flared up a couple more times, but it was minor. Once the severe smoking stopped, and refueling was done, we sent him back out.

Halfway through his session, Andy gets his first black flag in 5 races...for passing under yellow. He was battling with the car we voted to crush with the People's Curse...they were slow and hard to pass cleanly. After a quick chat with a judge. he was back on track to finish his session.

Micah gets in with what turned out to be 61 laps remaining, which is about how long the oil lasted when I drove. I overfilled it by ~1/2 qt and he went out to just turn consistent, safe laps and bring it home to the finish. Earlier in the day, the B class leader had been put in the trailer with their 4th black flag, so we had just passed them in the standings and were now battling with two other cars that were within a couple of laps (one was the Keystone Kops 244 turbo).

At about 3:57pm Micah calls on the radio, he's out of oil (pressure). The race ends at 4pm. We tell him to stay out, and 2 laps later he takes the checkered flag. We held on to 8th overall and we won Class B with 480 laps completed. The '92 Volvo 245, Vermont Volvocheros, won Class C with 479 laps. They got t-boned mid day and lost a couple laps, else they probably would have beaten us with their slower, but more reliable and consistant car & team. Keystone Kops finished 3rd in B with 478 laps, on the same lap as the '85 V8 Cougar that was 2nd in B. The overall winner on laps was the Invisible Pink Unicorn E30 with 516 laps.

After the race the keg was loaded into the back of the wagon and we served up beers at the awards ceremony til the keg was empty. We accepted our trophy, celebrated the win, took pictures, and did burnouts before packing up. Maybe the best race weekend yet!

Next up...diagnose oil consumption, replace engine, inspect turbo, replace rack (perhaps w/power) and prepare for Capitol Offense at Summit Point June 18-19.

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Keystone giving their car a push start. Alt ground wire broke, started running bad, wouldn't idle/start. They found it quick and got going again.
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2nd place in B, '85 Cougar, Anti-EPA Racing
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1st overall on laps
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Philly River Rats blew up, swapped the motor, spun some more bearings, re-bearinged, then grenaded it Sunday afternoon. Just rotten luck. 60th place, 58 laps completed.
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Post-race beer shower courtesy of Keystone Kops
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1-2 shift
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G80 still works
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Complete results: http://www.specialtytiming.com/New-Jersey.html

The rest of my pictures: http://www.pbase.com/towerymt/lemons_njmp

towerymt
04-13-2011, 08:14 AM
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ptouch20
04-13-2011, 08:19 AM
Must have a great captain and car builder on that team.

SteveMD
04-13-2011, 08:44 AM
Wow! Congrats! Maybe time for a 'bomb' welded onto oil pan to prevent sucking air in long turns?

towerymt
04-13-2011, 09:08 AM
...time for a 'bomb'...
Did somebody say Time Bomb?????????????

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hockey930
04-13-2011, 09:11 AM
Awesome guys! That sounds and looks like it was a blast! Someday I will do something fun.

towerymt
04-13-2011, 11:14 AM
Awesome guys! That sounds and looks like it was a blast! Someday I will do something fun.
Some day...

There's a race at Charlotte Motor Speedway in late September...hoping uncle pete might consider attending. Right now we're only doing 2 races this year.

badvlvo
04-13-2011, 11:32 AM
Some day...

There's a race at Charlotte Motor Speedway in late September...hoping uncle pete might consider attending. Right now we're only doing 2 races this year.

I'll come out and watch/wrench if I don't have a car put together by then. I'm trying to secure the SVX Matt ran a couple years ago.



Good job, good driving, good car.

Mesoam
04-13-2011, 11:42 AM
good read

JohnMc
04-13-2011, 11:55 AM
Awesome. Great writeup.

skunked
04-13-2011, 01:46 PM
congrats!

Race weekends are always more fun when you end up with a trophy in the end.

olov
04-13-2011, 01:56 PM
sweet update. gl with the oil issues. think you'll compete with the e30 with a fresh engine and more boost?

smokeyfan1000
04-13-2011, 02:00 PM
:dance::clap::clap::clap: Congratulations Towerymt!!!

jungledorifuto
04-13-2011, 02:11 PM
that's aweomse nice job.. LOL at the swirly cheetah. VOLVO IN SPORTS

towerymt
04-13-2011, 02:50 PM
Rest of the pictures I took are here: http://www.pbase.com/towerymt/lemons_njmp

towerymt
04-13-2011, 08:27 PM
0:45, we pick up the wagon. Nice display of power down the straight, but we didn't have the grip to hang with this bimmer. Need new tires bad......

Around 22:25, Team Paisley shows their stuff (black #41 Subaru). It looked like 2-wheels in the air into turn 1. On the dirt twice in one lap. No wonder people voted for them...cause they drove like dicks.

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#82 Laughing Clown Malt Liquor E30. 4th overall

4min in, wagon
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towerymt
04-13-2011, 08:38 PM
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aplitz
04-13-2011, 10:04 PM
Nicely done gentlemen, very impressive finish in what looks like a very quick group. If you were closer I'd donate my complete, low mile B230F to the cause. Maybe I'll stick it in Eric's 244 so he can truck it over to TN, then you guys can figure it out from there. Regardless, keep up the great work.

gear whine
04-13-2011, 11:48 PM
great writeup mike, endurance racing looks so enjoyable, even if **** goes bad. i really need to get into ACTUALLY racing. thats all i ever want to do but have taken zero initiative to make it happen.
1st track event:carlisle 2012

towerymt
04-14-2011, 12:57 AM
^get in with the Team: MrBill and Friends. They're hopeless without some guidance and whip-cracking.

It's a ton of fun when the car runs. So far I've run 3 races and we finished each one. The car has always finished the next race as good or better than the previous result, so it's been great so far.

We have a cheap rebuilt B23FT that Pete got off ebay, we have my hundred dollar rebuilt B23FT, and we have another B230F with some miles. Once we know why it consumed oil, we'll get to work.

We could hang with, or pull from the E30s in the straights, so we just need to match their cornering speed. (see 45sec mark in vid above). They drive up on us in the corners, and can brake later and corner faster, but we can pull down the straight. New tires will help. The Hankook RS2s we're using have either a bunch of street miles or 30+hr of racing on them. The production date is '07-'08. They just aren't that sticky anymore. Thinking 225/50/16 on 16x8.5 front and maybe my old 245/45/16 Hankooks for the rear, or perhaps some 245/40/17 on 17x7.5 rear. I have some options, just not sure if I want to buy four tires or only two. Speed costs money, and I want to go faster.

M.H. Yount
04-14-2011, 09:42 AM
Excellent recap -- even better performance!!! Making this old SCCA racer want to get back into the game.... And I'm sure you're aware - higher cornering speeds (newer/stickier/bigger meats) mean higher corner entry speeds - which works overworked brakes even more. So - no Santa Claus out there without thinking all of it through. I haven't researched the LeMons 'rules' -- can you upgrade the brakes? Short answer is probably 'sure - and then they'll just penalize you 50 laps at race start when they see the Brembos'.... ;)

blkaplan
04-14-2011, 09:59 AM
Excellent recap -- even better performance!!! Making this old SCCA racer want to get back into the game.... And I'm sure you're aware - higher cornering speeds (newer/stickier/bigger meats) mean higher corner entry speeds - which works overworked brakes even more. So - no Santa Claus out there without thinking all of it through. I haven't researched the LeMons 'rules' -- can you upgrade the brakes? Short answer is probably 'sure - and then they'll just penalize you 50 laps at race start when they see the Brembos'.... ;)

You can do anything in lemons as long as its within the "budget"

SteveMD
04-14-2011, 10:04 AM
Does the lack o' hatch enhance aerodynamics such as they are with fur on all external body surfaces??

kahluaTDI
04-14-2011, 10:52 AM
You guys are restricted to tires with a 200 tread wear rating or above right?

Assuming you guys have a second set of wheels/tires, you might want to consider running 2 different manufacturers at one event, and see which set has an overall better level of grip retention. I know my old hankooks got pretty greasy after they got a ton of heat into them and really couldn't keep up, but when I ran kumhos they seemed to love the heat.

And really, it seems like thats the only thing holding you guys back in the corners. It would be interesting to do a comparison, and you could probably pick up a cheap set of used ones from an ST solo racer with enough life left to see.


Also, I think you guys should make a blog, your reporting is fantastic and it would be great to have an entire page dedicated to 24L updates.

RoadRacer4Life
04-14-2011, 10:52 AM
looks like alot of fun.. I might have to get involved in that some day..

-sam

towerymt
04-14-2011, 01:24 PM
Excellent recap -- even better performance!!! Making this old SCCA racer want to get back into the game.... And I'm sure you're aware - higher cornering speeds (newer/stickier/bigger meats) mean higher corner entry speeds - which works overworked brakes even more. So - no Santa Claus out there without thinking all of it through. I haven't researched the LeMons 'rules' -- can you upgrade the brakes? Short answer is probably 'sure - and then they'll just penalize you 50 laps at race start when they see the Brembos'.... ;)
If our corner entry speed was higher, wouldn't I have to brake less before turn-in? It looked like the E30 in-car that they braked a lot later because they were entering faster, and thus spent less time on the brake pedal. However, if I could carry more speed through the last corner onto the straight, I'd be going faster at the end of the straight. So I there will be an impact on brakes, but I don't think it will be significant.

Brakes are free. We can do anything we want, and are willing to pay for out of pocket. Brakes are safety, and thus are not part of the budget. 14" Brembos and 6 piston calipers would be legal, but not really in the spirit of the rules. Plus, people would laugh at the fools who spent thousands on their giant brakes for a crapcan. Our brakes are fine, and we're still using OEM front pads. If we need more heat-handling ability, we can do easy budget upgrades and/or buy expensive track pads. I'm prepared with more agressive pads if we need them. If we can't shed the heat through the rotors, that's a bigger problem to address.

Yes, 200 tread wear min. Azenis RT615 or Dunlop Star Spec are the two best options. Wheels/tires are not part of the budget. I have 17x7.5, 16x8, 16x8.5, 16x9.5 wheels. Too bad there aren't any good 245/xx/16 tires. Really a shame that the Kumho XS isn't legal, cause it comes in 265/45/16 which would fit my wheels. Need some 8.5/9.5 x 17 Vette wheels, I guess. I think 245/40 front and 255/40 rear on 8.5/9.5 would be awesome.

badvlvo
04-14-2011, 01:49 PM
Nicely done gentlemen, very impressive finish in what looks like a very quick group. If you were closer I'd donate my complete, low mile B230F to the cause. Maybe I'll stick it in Eric's 244 so he can truck it over to TN, then you guys can figure it out from there. Regardless, keep up the great work.

I should have space in the truck for that to go to the cause. The 244 is going to be a mobile pet carrier :oops: as I need a way to transport 2 cats without them ****ting all over themselves, making me insane from meowing all day long and have some space to stretch out.

blkaplan
04-14-2011, 03:03 PM
I want to see dual 240 calipers mounted on the front of the lemons car :-P

Youd probably get bonus points for that.

JohnMc
04-14-2011, 03:35 PM
I want to see dual 240 calipers mounted on the front of the lemons car :-P

Youd probably get bonus points for that.

Non-ABS car with two brakes lines, and two ABS calipers? :nod:

FurryWagonDriver
04-14-2011, 04:06 PM
nice write up mike.
use your RTcpa skills and find out who was in the car for the video... i believe that was me on saturday. i remember going 3 and 4 wide through turn 10 and also bouncing off the curbing on turn 1.

kahluaTDI
04-14-2011, 05:07 PM
Since you guys seem to have heat issues in the brakes, what are you guys doing for cooling? I assume you've taken off the "dust" shields, but have you done any sort of ducting from the wheel well/bumper? You guys need some cannards and a splitter to get a good pressure set up to vent the brakes. My e30 race friends have a large undertray set up they made from home depot that bolts into the frame and gives them a nice slippery bottom side while also leaving room for brake ducting and some fancy cannards to help direct airflow to the brakes.


Also, from shared experiences on track, you're best bet with brakes is to spend the money on the pads and use the cheapest rotors you can, replace when necessary. The pads will outlast the rotors for a long time, so stick with some cheapy brembo rotors and go in hard with a track compound on the pad.


If you guys ever do a race a little further south let me know, I'd love to come watch and maybe help out in the pits, I should have a certified 1 piece by then.

kahluaTDI
04-14-2011, 05:07 PM
Double post, disregard whenches, acquire currency.

towerymt
04-14-2011, 06:42 PM
again, brakes were fine. we (pete) fixed the issue we had in florida where we ate rear pads. we've never had heat issues, just rapid wear from the rear due to a kinked hard line and old (sticky?) calipers.

it doesn't get much LESS agressive than $22/set Volvo pads. they work, so we'll keep using them. easy modulation, no fade, cheap, don't eat rotors, stop the car well. they do it all. I put them on my daily driver after the first race I did, and they're great. very dusty, though.

we have dryer duct from the front air dam to the wheel area. could probably work on aiming it a little better, and mounting it better, but it gets some air in there and that seems to be enough.

we raced in Palm Beach, FL dec 31...doesn't get much farther south than that. ;-)

we are literally not touching the brakes between races this time. every other race, we had to either put pads or rotors on it, but now they're good.

towerymt
04-14-2011, 06:42 PM
again, brakes were fine. we (pete) fixed the issue we had in florida where we ate rear pads. we've never had heat issues, just rapid wear from the rear due to a kinked hard line and old (sticky?) calipers.

it doesn't get much LESS agressive than $22/set Volvo pads. they work, so we'll keep using them. easy modulation, no fade, cheap, don't eat rotors, stop the car well. they do it all. I put them on my daily driver after the first race I did, and they're great. very dusty, though.

we have dryer duct from the front air dam to the wheel area. could probably work on aiming it a little better, and mounting it better, but it gets some air in there and that seems to be enough.

we raced in Palm Beach, FL dec 31...doesn't get much farther south than that. ;-)

we are literally not touching the brakes between races this time. every other race, we had to either put pads or rotors on it, but now they're good.

towerymt
04-14-2011, 06:49 PM
Brake duct inlets seen here:
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towerymt
04-14-2011, 06:50 PM
nice write up mike.
use your RTcpa skills and find out who was in the car for the video... i believe that was me on saturday. i remember going 3 and 4 wide through turn 10 and also bouncing off the curbing on turn 1.
I thought I saw andy's black helmet in one of the brief clips from the E30. If you hopped curb you can take credit for that clip. I usually did that only if I went way down inside to pass and then had to go nice and slow over the apex.

kahluaTDI
04-14-2011, 09:08 PM
I see. I thought you were saying you were getting outbraked by the E30 every time, so a more aggressive pad up front would make up for that lacking suit. I guess if it ain't broke don't fix it!

towerymt
04-15-2011, 01:57 AM
Oh yeah, we got outbraked by some E30s, but they were lighter and had higher cornering speed and more commitment. The car is not quite to the point of being able to drive it flat out. Just needed a bit more front grip, but at least it was not prone to oversteer since we had the two big crests to deal with.

M.H. Yount
04-15-2011, 06:18 AM
"However, if I could carry more speed through the last corner onto the straight, I'd be going faster at the end of the straight. So I there will be an impact on brakes, but I don't think it will be significant."

I think you nailed it above (except for the not significant part) -- If you have more grip - your EXIT speed will be higher, which means you'll carry more speed down the straight so that your corner ENTRY speed will be higher. So when you carry more speed into/through the corner - you're braking from higher speeds. Which means more heat rejection is needed to maintain braking performance. In my experience as those lap times come down your need for additional braking performance goes up. And if you're not running the stock brake set-up right on the ragged edge already -- then you're not braking nearly late enough to start with. To take advantage of the additional grip -- you'll WANT to use more brake (later and harder from higher speeds). If the laptimes come down significantly -- more brake and more grip will contribute hand-in-hand to that result.

We couldn't legally do anything in IT to my car in the brake department except for pads, fluid and brake lines. And I went through a set of rotors in a one-race weekend (20-30 minute sprint race). The last 10 laps of a 2-hour enduro were always pretty interesting from a braking perspective because they were just about gone. On a 1950-lb car.

You know your car the best of anyone. No doubt there. But if the braking set up is stock - and you think you have enough brake - then I'm pretty sure you're being pretty easy on the brakes. And/or - you don't have enough front grip to work them very hard. Easy to lose sight of the fact that the brakes don't stop the car - the tires do. I had so much front end grip under braking that with new tires -- I couldn't lock the front tires with the stock front brakes.....

And -- it's only fair to add -- using your brakes the way you have may be EXACTLY what's needed to win the endurance races as you have. Part of my perspective on this comes from running lots more sprints than endurance races. So for me - managing my brakes meant wearing them just about out on entry to the last turn of the last lap. We had a pretty competitive field of racers/cars, and I was SW Div. champ in ITC in '89 and '91. If I didn't absolutely abuse the brakes, I didn't even place. Managing your brakes means something different for sure.

Again - great write up on whole gig. And a great outcome for you and the car. Time for me to go buy another driving school somewhere to get my ya-yas on someone else's car...

ptouch20
04-15-2011, 10:15 AM
These guys just don't have the COHONES to take it to the limit....

Actually they do, the car is very easy on brakes, the track really only had about 1 and a half spots where you actually had to stomp on it. I don't think we've ever fully worn a set of front pads out...they had about 5/32" after the nelson ledges 24 hour race.

towerymt
04-15-2011, 10:20 AM
We didn't get a good read on brakes now that I think about it. On Sunday, I was rolling off the throttle gently and then braking, and I was far from theshold braking because I wasn't trying to run the car hard.

Once we fix the oil consumption problem and put new tires on it, I think we'll be able to push the car hard for the entire race. I'll be ready to hot-swap some brake pads. I would welcome some brake issues, cause then I know we're going fast. ;-)

M.H. Yount
04-15-2011, 10:32 AM
"I would welcome some brake issues, cause then I know we're going fast."

Well said. And you're already competitive - and perhaps even more importantly - having a blast.

towerymt
04-26-2011, 04:32 PM
Quart per hour crack. We've done irreparable damage to the Garden State.
http://www.pbase.com/towerymt/image/134228958.jpg

Sir Psycho
04-26-2011, 04:40 PM
Irreparable?

New drain tube and done?

towerymt
04-26-2011, 04:58 PM
incapable of being rectified, remedied, or made good

we leaked oil all over new jersey.

replace oil drain, ready to rock. Team Captain says the engine made 155psi across all 4. time to turn the boost up and beat some E30s.

FunkyStankyChicken
04-26-2011, 06:00 PM
Ahhh good shyte, glad to know that the ole redblock was takin it like a champ.

Im looking forward to the next race.

Sir Psycho
04-26-2011, 08:37 PM
Ahh Garden State slipped my mind

M.H. Yount
04-26-2011, 09:58 PM
Nice play on an old Billy Joel classic....

slipstream3d
04-27-2011, 01:49 PM
Fantastic job! The in-car video looked pretty damn fast, that's awesome.

I'm not familiar with the track, but what WAS your best lap time? I'd be curious to see it compared to some other more "serious" vehicles. (I.e. not Lemons.)

towerymt
04-27-2011, 02:45 PM
I don't listen to Billy Joel. I write my own material.

Fantastic job! The in-car video looked pretty damn fast, that's awesome.
As it should...notice the BMW steering wheel? That's the 4th place E30.

towerymt
05-02-2011, 11:52 AM
Hopefully this one won't crack

http://www.pbase.com/towerymt/image/134389933.jpg

kahluaTDI
05-02-2011, 12:03 PM
Just a slip on nipple? Shouldn't that be threaded?

FlyingTog
05-02-2011, 03:33 PM
Just a slip on nipple? Shouldn't that be threaded?

That's what she said.

klr142
05-05-2011, 01:27 AM
Like.

Volvo front pads, standard for a 240, eh? We'll have to try that. The Ultimates are good, but eat through rotors faster than a set of stock pads would...

towerymt
05-05-2011, 09:36 PM
Just a slip on nipple? Shouldn't that be threaded?
3/4"npt fitting threaded into the block. 5/8" barb accepts the -10AN line that has been hose-clamped. Solid.

towerymt
05-05-2011, 09:38 PM
Like.

Volvo front pads, standard for a 240, eh? We'll have to try that. The Ultimates are good, but eat through rotors faster than a set of stock pads would...
Volvo 240 front pads, rotors, rear pads, rotors. From the dealer. Cheap. Good. No, great.

towerymt
05-05-2011, 10:21 PM
Pulled the engine on Tuesday.

Installed a 170k mile '91 B230F on Wednesday.

Milled a flat flywheel for use with LH2.4 (thanks Billy!), installed w/my leftover Spec pressure plate and Clutchnet disc. Had the flywheel resurfaced, too.

Changed a bunch of gaskets & seals. Drilling/tapping the oil return in the block was the worst. I highly unrecommend it.

klr142
05-06-2011, 09:54 AM
Awesome.

towerymt
05-06-2011, 11:13 AM
Started working on the time lapse late last night. looks like I have some pics of the steering rack swap and the motor being wiggled in. if I can get movie maker to stop crashing maybe I'll be able to put something together this weekend. need to find music too, else karl will staunchly disapprove.