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Hank Scorpio
11-21-2004, 11:04 PM
So my new project is probably going to use a 75-6 242 as the base. Got a couple questions:
1. Can these cars still be converted to small pre85 bumpers? Seems like the majority of pictures I see use comandos (GAG)
2. Do you guys like the 140 style rear end? Personally I dont... and I was thinking of doing a GrpA front end and wing... so I dont think the older style rear end would fit.

2a. Think it would be mega hard to switch to the later style lights? Obviously atleast the 1/4's would have to be cut, looks like the trunk lids are different too.
2b. Think if I took a piece of sheet metal and shaved off the rear area then flushed the early tails into it that would look better?
2b-i: How about a sheet of Carbon Fiber?

grrr... plans unraveling

world collapsing lol

wisturbo
11-21-2004, 11:16 PM
do it up man... i love the 140 style rears... i think some really clean flowing lines would make it look drop dead sexy with a bold two tone (top&bottom) color combo... can't wait to see what yur gunna do!

blu92in99
11-21-2004, 11:19 PM
1. Can these cars still be converted to small pre85 bumpers? Seems like the majority of pictures I see use comandos (GAG)Yup, Gary (gsellstr) sent me a pic at work last week of a white pre-79 242 wearing lightweight bumpers. It looked good. I'll try to find it and post it...

2. Do you guys like the 140 style rear end? Personally I dont... and I was thinking of doing a GrpA front end and wing... so I dont think the older style rear end would fit.I think the GrpA look, including rear wing, on the pre-79 240's would look just fine.

2a. Think it would be mega hard to switch to the later style lights? Obviously atleast the 1/4's would have to be cut, looks like the trunk lids are different too.Too much work IMO. Keep the early sheetmetal out back. It'll work out better with the plan you have for the "new car" ;-)

2b. Think if I took a piece of sheet metal and shaved off the rear area then flushed the early tails into it that would look better?
2b-i: How about a sheet of Carbon Fiber? Yes, and I don't like the look of raw CF personally; but for what you plan on doing, it'd be the way to go.

-Justin

vurbo
11-21-2004, 11:24 PM
isn't "jesus'es" 242 supposedly 75 but it's sporting a 80+ rear and Group a front. or is that just a registering thing to get cheap inshurence.

for an opinion of the rear end, im still prefer the 80+ but the older one has grown on me. it also offers some cool color choice's(I.E. paint black or what ever)

oh and you can alway's run some 262C rear taillight's they look like the 80+ one's a bit(i belive the 80+ taillight's were inspired from them.)

hey i got a nice clean(non running) 76 beige 242 with with a nice almost tottaly black interior, if you need one :p lol

Hank Scorpio
11-22-2004, 12:07 AM
You DO!?!

PM ME!

vurbo
11-22-2004, 01:12 AM
You DO!?!

PM ME!

PM'ed

Hank Scorpio
11-22-2004, 01:18 AM
weeeeEEEEeeEEeeeEEEEEEEEeeee heehe

grebnut
11-22-2004, 01:25 AM
weeeeEEEEeeEEeeeEEEEEEEEeeee heehe

like a kid on christmas morning...

Hank Scorpio
11-22-2004, 01:40 AM
hahaha you know it

Three Fat Tigers
11-22-2004, 01:42 AM
'76 was a good year, no CAT !!!!

blkaplan
11-22-2004, 01:42 AM
so i assume you will be wanting a set of adjustable control arms?


titanium????

Hank Scorpio
11-22-2004, 02:05 AM
hahah you KNOW what the projects for ;-)

ofcourse!

you buying ;-)

n xntrx volvo
11-22-2004, 02:15 AM
i've got an easier solution, reg the 76, then get a drill and some rivets. no more rear end/ paint etc work to do.

Hank Scorpio
11-22-2004, 02:27 AM
yaaaaa I know

blkaplan
11-22-2004, 08:13 AM
hahah you KNOW what the projects for ;-)

ofcourse!

you buying ;-)


it doesn't look to feasable due to the fact that it would cost probably like 2.5k and i dont even know if we could machine what we need. the planned material is 4130 ChroMo. which is pretty exotic in itself. well..... as exotic as steel can be.

Dr. Volvo
11-22-2004, 11:28 AM
Here is a pic of my '74 242 with 260 taillights and plastic bumpers. It looks alot better than the short lights and commando bumpers.
I'm gong to use the trim from a 245
http://pchome.grm.hia.no/~nkbakk03/IMG_126.JPG

Hank Scorpio
11-22-2004, 02:03 PM
it doesn't look to feasable due to the fact that it would cost probably like 2.5k and i dont even know if we could machine what we need. the planned material is 4130 ChroMo. which is pretty exotic in itself. well..... as exotic as steel can be.

haha no thats what I figured :-P cArBonFIB3r yO!

Dr. Volvo... thanks for the picture! Hey could you measure (roughly is fine) between the bottom of the tail lights to the notch where they wrap around the body (going up).

(here)
http://www.pbase.com/dkauer744/image/36670348.jpg

Doug

WeezilUSA
11-22-2004, 08:49 PM
hey doug, you should use the 260 tail lights and then make a piece that looks like the later 850 tail light trim piece. Good to see my old 242 going to good use.

Hank Scorpio
11-22-2004, 08:51 PM
Defiently bud. Have you got any pictures of it floating around?

I spent some time staring at the back of gary's 142 today (same setup)... got some ideas on my head. Its funny you mention the 850 piece, I was thinking about that this morning.

jao
11-23-2004, 12:47 AM
Defiently bud. Have you got any pictures of it floating around?

I spent some time staring at the back of gary's 142 today (same setup)... got some ideas on my head. Its funny you mention the 850 piece, I was thinking about that this morning.

not a bad idea ;) too bad i don't have access to a 140 'round these parts

PWRPUFF
11-23-2004, 02:33 AM
A couple cars at past iPd garage sales ... perhaps something to consider?

http://www.powerpuff.net/volvo/misc/142.jpg

http://www.powerpuff.net/volvo/misc/244.jpg

-- Kane ... granted, the 142 started off flat already, but it's more the work done to the roll pan.

oldschoolvolvo
11-23-2004, 12:15 PM
IMO, i think that 79< rear ends look cleaner and more modern. But it sounds like you are thinking of possibly changing it...so whatever...just my 2 cents. Good luck w/ whatever your project is...judging by your current one, it'll be sweet! :P

boostdemon
11-23-2004, 12:32 PM
i still think you shouuld do the silvalvo

pisco
11-23-2004, 02:02 PM
That orange one is the one with the V8. He made the bumpers out of comandos as I recall. I think the late 140 early 240 rear would be slick with Ferrari/corvette style double round tailights. Man I want to build a 162 so badly, I want it even more than I want the new Star Wars movie to not suck.

gsellstr
11-23-2004, 02:16 PM
Here's an idea for a wing and also the early and late-model 140 rear lights.


http://www.volvoadventures.com/144SIontrailer.jpg

Sean
11-23-2004, 02:25 PM
Just me but I like the early 140 rear end most, you should swap one of thsoe into a 76 240 rear end... clean it up a bit. Also some of thoes early 140 bumpers are nice and small and look nice on the back although I imagine on the front they would be dwarfed.
Sean

Hank Scorpio
11-23-2004, 02:25 PM
A couple cars at past iPd garage sales ... perhaps something to consider?

http://www.powerpuff.net/volvo/misc/142.jpg

http://www.powerpuff.net/volvo/misc/244.jpg

-- Kane ... granted, the 142 started off flat already, but it's more the work done to the roll pan.


Thats almost EXACTLY like what I was thinking. Though... with something rectangular

pisco
11-23-2004, 03:22 PM
Anyone know what is involved in changing the early 100 rear to the later 100 rear? I like early 164 front ends but prefer the late 164 rear.

gsellstr
11-23-2004, 03:25 PM
In looking at my 74 last night at Doug's, it looks like the whole back panel may be able to be replaced which would get you the 'step' and the right cutout's for the square lights. You'll probably wanna look at a 73 as they still have the high-mount filler and different tank from the 74-75 164/140's, although the tank shouldn't play a role in the conversion from what I remember.

pisco
11-23-2004, 04:02 PM
In looking at my 74 last night at Doug's, it looks like the whole back panel may be able to be replaced which would get you the 'step' and the right cutout's for the square lights.
Hmm, sounds easy enough and I can get one from a junked early 240 if needed. Hell anything will be easier than converting a 4 dr to 2dr.

Morley
11-23-2004, 06:34 PM
Sounds like you are onto some extreme project again...I see the reason for wanting a '76, ie. no cat.

Why not do a conversion, cut off most of the rear and put a '79> rear end back on, and while you have chopped half the cars' ass off, take just a little more time and widen the wheels houses. Just so you can throw something pimp like 10" wheels in there :omg:

Hank Scorpio
11-23-2004, 09:53 PM
Sounds like you are onto some extreme project again...I see the reason for wanting a '76, ie. no cat.

Why not do a conversion, cut off most of the rear and put a '79> rear end back on, and while you have chopped half the cars' ass off, take just a little more time and widen the wheels houses. Just so you can throw something pimp like 10" wheels in there :omg:

hahaha you pretty much read my mind ;)

(though w/ the perfect offset I can fit about a 9.5 as it is now :-D)

Kirby
11-24-2004, 04:56 AM
it's not to hard to remove that rear end panel and swap it over and change trunks it's just spotwelded in. my green book body repairs shows how it all comes apart. and I've seen them replaced before when 240s have gotten rearended etc.

ashvolvo
11-24-2004, 06:46 AM
Here's an idea for a wing and also the early and late-model 140 rear lights.


http://www.volvoadventures.com/144SIontrailer.jpg

That's Stuart Innes 144 race car. the spoiler is from a 93-96 Holden (GM) Commodore I believe. Very easy to get here and I've seen a couple of these on volvos here now.

Matt Dupuis
11-24-2004, 09:57 AM
Why not do a conversion, cut off most of the rear and put a '79> rear end back onNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I consider that a hate crime. If you want a '79, do a '79. Don't wreck a perfectly good '76! Buy something else and let Me adopt Elliot's car!

Edit - the rear end is the best feature of that car!

mikep
11-24-2004, 10:06 AM
I had momentary visions of axle swaps for some reason.
Do you already have the car for this project?

Hank Scorpio
11-24-2004, 11:30 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I consider that a hate crime. If you want a '79, do a '79. Don't wreck a perfectly good '76! Buy something else and let Me adopt Elliot's car!

Edit - the rear end is the best feature of that car!


Matt, my newest project requires a Smog exempt car.

which thanks to Ahnold is now only a 1975 240. ****... so vurbo's 76 I found (and want) wont work.

still scheming...

Matt Dupuis
11-24-2004, 11:56 AM
Oh. I am sorry to hear that, I guess. As little as I want to see a rust-free '75-78 242 get cut up, I know you'd do it up right.

gsellstr
11-24-2004, 12:36 PM
Just curious...what about a 164? There's plenty of room up front for your new motor, and it'd be smog exempt as well. Now finding one...

Matt Dupuis
11-24-2004, 03:18 PM
Aha... Did we just get a hint as to the length of your new motor? 7 main bearings???

pisco
11-24-2004, 03:24 PM
Doug just graft two B30's together and toss it in your 242, it could be a 2122. I bet that mod would only take a day, day and a half maybe.

gsellstr
11-24-2004, 04:13 PM
Actually, I wasn't implying anything whatsoever, even though I know some of the secret plans for the car/motor build.:twisted:

Another thought would be a 80-on diesel as it would be smog exempt by the VIN, have the rear-end you want, and you could still have the late-model dash with room for more gauges.

Matt Dupuis
11-24-2004, 05:39 PM
Actually, I wasn't implying anything whatsoever, even though I know some of the secret plans for the car/motor build.:twisted:

Another thought would be a 80-on diesel as it would be smog exempt by the VIN, have the rear-end you want, and you could still have the late-model dash with room for more gauges.
And two spare doors!

gsellstr
11-24-2004, 05:53 PM
And two spare doors!
Just adds to the sleeper status. More doors = slower grandma's car appearance. :)

Hank Scorpio
11-24-2004, 07:36 PM
Just curious...what about a 164? There's plenty of room up front for your new motor, and it'd be smog exempt as well. Now finding one...

hahaha you KNOW I hate 164's :-P

I'd rather keep an early 240 rear than a 164 (no offense to anyone). There is a girl down the street who drives a pretty nice one though lol

Ya Matt... 7 bearings... not iron block though ;-)

I HOPE I can have all the details up soon too

Oh Gary... you should know about the gauge cluster Im using, it doesn't need that much room hehehe

nothing but turbo
11-24-2004, 07:38 PM
you should know about the gauge cluster Im using, it doesn't need that much room hehehe

digi?

Morley
11-24-2004, 07:41 PM
Ya Matt... 7 bearings... not iron block though ;-)


Hahahaha

960/S/V90 or T6 engine! :badboy:

Am I right?

Hank Scorpio
11-24-2004, 07:42 PM
I think this fits:

wwjd

Morley
11-24-2004, 07:50 PM
I think this fits:

wwjd

Ok, now you got me curious. What does wwjd mean :???:




(Unnskyld, men jeg snakker ikke engelsk så greit. Er jo tross alt en dum nordmann...)

Hank Scorpio
11-24-2004, 08:06 PM
first person who gets it wins a cookie

Morley
11-24-2004, 08:09 PM
first person who gets it wins a cookie

What Would Jesus Do/Drive? ...doesn't make any sense...

But I'm sure it's a T6. Or a 3.0L 960 engine.

Hank Scorpio
11-24-2004, 08:13 PM
want your cookie by mail or fax? :-P

www.jesus242tic.se ... its not a copy but kinda whats going on :-D