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tjts1
12-02-2004, 10:44 PM
Is this one of the original Volvo racers?

From Swedespeed.
http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/albums//Events/Industry/Essen/2004/Volvo/007.jpg

http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/albums//Events/Industry/Essen/2004/Volvo/010.jpg

From the Heico site.
http://www.heicosportiv.de/public/images/28-10-04/egons500499.jpg

http://www.heicosportiv.de/public/images/28-10-04/dscn7517.jpg
?????
Nothing RWD on the side except this.

mjkspyder_one
12-02-2004, 11:21 PM
OMG that's sexy!!!! I want MY car to look like that! :D

Hank Scorpio
12-02-2004, 11:29 PM
kick ass!

MikeHardy
12-02-2004, 11:29 PM
makes me want to make some spacers for my wing and drop the front a bit more, rears the same hieght

Hank Scorpio
12-02-2004, 11:36 PM
I've always loved the look of this much rake on the GrpA wing the best

mjkspyder_one
12-02-2004, 11:38 PM
Good Lord, look at how low that thing is! I don't care what anybody says, 240's are the sexiest cars ever built.

vurbo
12-02-2004, 11:39 PM
MMM group-A cars. that one is particully awsome!!!!!!!!!!!

Morley
12-02-2004, 11:40 PM
That first car is not a original grp.A racer...notice the 5 nuts on the wheels. The original cars had one central locking nut.

It is a very nice replica though! I like it!

nohbudi
12-03-2004, 12:26 AM
also, all of the GrpA cars ive seen had side exit avgas systems

blkaplan
12-03-2004, 02:00 AM
best paint scheme eva

towerymt
12-03-2004, 02:30 AM
also, all of the GrpA cars ive seen had side exit avgas systems
Exhaust is one thing that's likely to get changed over a ~20 year period. Sound restrictions being one reason, if the car is being used.

The car appears to have an incorrect roll cage, it's missing the door lock, the bumper trim, and the ride height is way too high. The brightest of the blue stripes would look better if it were covered with front bumper trim.

And some more pictures, cause that's what I do.

http://www.youngtimer.de/2004/Events_2004/ytt_egons500/fotos/egons50097.jpg

http://www.youngtimer.de/2004/Events_2004/ytt_egons500/fotos/egons50098.jpg

http://www.youngtimer.de/2004/Events_2004/ytt_egons500/fotos/egons500499.jpg

http://www.youngtimer.de/2004/Events_2004/ytt_egons500/fotos/egons500500.jpg



Different car, same race:

http://www.youngtimer.de/2004/Events_2004/ytt_egons500/fotos/egons500497.jpg

http://www.youngtimer.de/2004/Events_2004/ytt_egons500/fotos/egons50018.jpg

http://www.youngtimer.de/2004/Events_2004/ytt_egons500/fotos/egons500222.jpg

http://www.youngtimer.de/2004/Events_2004/ytt_egons500/Fotos%20Pfarr/DSC_0081.jpg

http://www.agentur-sportbild.de/Home/is/egons500/egons500/training/slides/IMG_0391.html

740Weapon
12-03-2004, 09:29 AM
if i ever own a 240 its getting that exact paint job. the ricers will **** themselves

Chigga 744SE
12-03-2004, 10:33 AM
does anybody know if they still sell the rollcage in picture for the 700s?

tjts1
12-03-2004, 01:32 PM
does anybody know if they still sell the rollcage in picture for the 700s?
Thats what I want to know. There was nothing on the site except that photo.

BDKR
12-03-2004, 02:32 PM
I've always loved the look of this much rake on the GrpA wing the best

Those wheels look like R10's. Know what they are?

stray
12-03-2004, 02:58 PM
Is that second car (#421) an actual grp A car? It looks a bit lower, and its got the one central locking nut. also looks like there might be a side exit exhaust there too.

sexy! :)

oldschoolvolvo
12-03-2004, 04:34 PM
Yea, i saw those first ones on swedespeed. Very nice! I think it's cool that they're still racing in a 240. Anyone know what engine is in it?

BDKR
12-03-2004, 06:47 PM
Is Essen a place? I know of Assen in Holland.

Tuff240
12-03-2004, 07:35 PM
Is that second car (#421) an actual grp A car? It looks a bit lower, and its got the one central locking nut. also looks like there might be a side exit exhaust there too.

sexy! :)Yes, The #421 car is an actual Gp A car. This very car to be exact: http://www.tuff240.com/gpamarkpetch.htm

I have been in contact with the owner and am currently doing a webpage for just this car with several pictures of it's bare metal restoration up to and including the 2004 race pictures Michael linked above.

It is one of the more significant Gp A cars with lots of history. I'm working on the webpage with the current owner and former Volvo Gp A racer, Peter Kroeber, and the former Gp A tactician and director of team livery and media image (designer of the famous "VMS Nordic War Stripes"), John Amundsen. So it promises at the very least to be correct in facts and full of great pictures.

Hoping to have it done with-in the next month, but with holidays and cordinating information over email, it might be a little longer.

Bambam
12-03-2004, 07:43 PM
It is one of volvos group a factory cars. heico bought it last year to build it up for the famous 24 hours on the nürburgring. I've seen the car in reality on the www.volvopower.de tuner meeting in alsfeld and it was very nice :volvo:

Morley
12-03-2004, 11:51 PM
http://www.youngtimer.de/2004/Events_2004/ytt_egons500/fotos/egons50018.jpg


Check out the negative camber on #421!

ashvolvo
12-04-2004, 01:00 AM
also, all of the GrpA cars ive seen had side exit avgas systems

You're talking about exhaust systems right? because they certainly didnt run on avgas.
As for side exit exhaust systems, most did but not all. All the factory cars with the 'Nordic war stripes' did as far as I know but others exited the rear also.

The car with the 5 stud wheels rather than a centrelock setup is quite nice, someone noted that the cage isnt the same as the factory race cars had back in the '80s - this is true, and probably good that its different.

Since the group a era of the 80's and early 90's its not just engine technology, tyre technology and spring technology thats changed. things such as roll cage design have also changed to a point where modern cages are now a lot safer and become a chassis stiffening device also with fantastic results.

towerymt
12-04-2004, 02:13 AM
You're talking about exhaust systems right? because they certainly didnt run on avgas.
avgas = exhaust, pċ svenska

towerymt
12-04-2004, 02:16 AM
Check out the negative camber on #421!
Here's a 240 with -3.5°. From Anthony Hyde's page http://wwwrsphysse.anu.edu.au/~amh110/all_gifs/Turbo%20page%20gifs/negative%20camber%20handlingArt.jpg

vurbo
12-04-2004, 02:46 PM
Here's a 240 with -3.5°. From Anthony Hyde's page http://wwwrsphysse.anu.edu.au/~amh110/all_gifs/Turbo%20page%20gifs/negative%20camber%20handlingArt.jpg

Jesus!! that's awsome! (you know you wanna towery, the hoosiers need atleast -3deg. ;).)

koenvbr
12-04-2004, 03:00 PM
Those wheels look like R10's. Know what they are?

Ronal Racings, 3 piece rim

Is Essen a place? I know of Assen in Holland.

Its a city in Germany, it has a big center for having events (Essen Motorschow, Classica Oldtimershow, etc)

DMFWallace
12-04-2004, 06:56 PM
i personally like this photo:

samyboy
12-04-2004, 08:53 PM
propper car :volvo: :urgod:

towerymt
12-05-2004, 02:57 AM
Jesus!! that's awsome! (you know you wanna towery, the hoosiers need atleast -3deg. ;).)

I will take every bit of camber I can get, minimum -2.5. If I can get -3 to -3.5, I'd like to. One of my ideas is to cut the sheet metal around the top of the strut so I can slide the top plate over for more camber and castor. An alternative might be to drill a large hole in the top of the strut tower, large enough for the top nut to fit through, like this:

http://mason.gmu.edu/~mtowery/volvo/240/coilover/MVC-531F.jpg

Oh, and I like this picture...actually the video clip is even better!

http://mason.gmu.edu/~mtowery/volvo/gayabandon.jpg

Tuff240
12-06-2004, 05:43 AM
It is one of volvos group a factory cars. heico bought it last year to build it up for the famous 24 hours on the nürburgring. I've seen the car in reality on the www.volvopower.de (http://www.volvopower.de/) tuner meeting in alsfeld and it was very nice :volvo:The owner of the #421 car is the previous owner of the #428 car.
Here is his response to me asking about #428:

"the car you have seen in the internet is a ex Volvo Turbo Cup car from sweden. Before i found my real Group A car , i was looking for a 240 Racingcar which i could convert into a Group A car. At that time everybody told me it is impossible to find a genuinen Group A 240 .
So, < edited for privacy > <EDITED privacy for>found that car for me . It was a presscar from the factory and was driven from varios VIP people at the Cup races. The car was already fitted with a Getrag Gerabox and was build from a blank bodyshell. After i found my car i then sold the cup volvlo to Heigo motorsport. They only did one race in 2004 and retired with a engine blow up. They now built a Group A Engine with the correct Injectionsystem. The car will run in the Youngtimertrophy 2005."

So there you have it. #421 is a real Gp A car and #428 is a Volvo Turbo Cup car partially converted/being converted to Gp A specs.

Webpage for the #421 car is getting close to being done. Only about 80 more pics to resize, clean up, add text to, create thumbnails for and upload. :omg:

Morley
12-06-2004, 09:02 AM
I will take every bit of camber I can get, minimum -2.5. If I can get -3 to -3.5, I'd like to. One of my ideas is to cut the sheet metal around the top of the strut so I can slide the top plate over for more camber and castor. An alternative might be to drill a large hole in the top of the strut tower, large enough for the top nut to fit through, like this:

Or weld on a extension to the control arm to get the strut further out...that's what we do here in Scandinavia.

Nils
07-29-2009, 07:12 AM
things such as roll cage design have also changed to a point where modern cages are now a lot safer and become a chassis stiffening device also with fantastic results.

in the 80's they were already used as a chassis stiffening device ;-)

Mattis
07-29-2009, 10:37 AM
John

Was the group A 242's made out of thinner steel than the normal 242's? Like the sierra RS500(?) touring car was.. or so I've heard at least.

Janspeed
07-29-2009, 11:15 AM
Could very well be..., but what is often done in the proces of race/rallycar prepping is dipping the car in an acid bath to get rid of undercoating and such. The time it stays in this bath determines how thin the sheetmetal will be once out...
Then the shell is often stitchwelded before the cage is welded in place and paint is applied.
I doubt that it had alu panels or doors and/or thinner glass (like the BMW e9 3.0CSL ) but i really do not know for sure.

There's a Video on YT of the Heico 240 running at speed over the NRing.

Nordic_War_Stripes777
08-11-2009, 03:14 AM
Guys

This is a former Volvo Cup Group N car, which has a VMS look alike cage and Nordic War stripes applied. It is NOT a former VMS Group A car.

This car recently had a full VMS spec Group A engine installed. It is slowly being upgraded to full VMS Group A spec.

I supplied the NWS, Nordic War Stripes, VMS's era works motorsport livery which i designed in January 1986


The former Group N 240T in the said photograph was owned by the late VMS enthusasist Peter Kreober and was run as a sister event car to the genuine former VMS AVDT (Australian Volvo Dealer Team) Group 240T sooo beautifully restored by Peter Kreober

It does not have the era VMS light weight acid dipped panels though it does have the VMS fully adjustable rear wing


The sister event car, the former AVDT 240T won its class in the Ring 24 hour Group A class in 2003. That also was the frist car to stage a win by a turbocharged touring car in the ETCC and won the 86 ATCC and 87 PSTCC

For pictures of Peter's meticulous restoration see tuff240.com Group A gallery's sub gallery Peter Kreober restoration..

John Amundsen
Former Director, Team Livery and Media, Volvo Motorsport, 1985-86 1994-1999
Contract Custodian, Archival Livery and media, Volvo Motorsport.

DeBastaard
08-11-2009, 03:25 AM
Awesome. when was that show? Essen is so nearby :)...

FattMatt805
08-11-2009, 03:00 PM
Awesome. when was that show? Essen is so nearby :)...

likely in 04':rofl:

JohnMc
08-11-2009, 03:18 PM
likely in 04':rofl:
*scroll up...*

:wtf::lol: