Melb Mini Meet pt1 (56k doubtful)

[@5sn6s]

Met up with Ash and Ben (ashvolvo and The Guv) this arvo for a **** shooting session and took some photo's at a local park - and managed to piss off a ranger at the same time!!!
1 - Ash and Ben showing how friendly us Aussies are

2 - Ash's red 240 - this thing is NASTY!!

3 - My 740 turbo landbarge - stock but for a wee bit more boost :-D

4 - Ben and Barry

5 - Myself Ash and Ben with our rides - note Ash only one smart enough to don sunnies!!!3
(sorry don't know how to get the headings b/w the pics! :oops:

[@5sn6s]

More pics from today:

1 & 2 - Ash's 240 - with a close up of his sweet rims!! THey look eeven better in person
3 - Another shot of my 740 - the ride height looked enormous compared to the other 2!!
4 - Barry: one of the bargains of the year IMO!!
5 -Another shot of us with our cars - little guy crouching cause he can!!! :lol:

[The Guv]

REPOST!!!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Look Mum, I'm American!

[@5sn6s]

REPOST!!!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Look Mum, I'm American!


Nah man mine was posted first I swear!!!

[The Guv]

that timed shot worked out really well :badboy:

[ashvolvo]

Would it be possible for one of the moderators to combine the two thread for us?

[ashvolvo]

Thanks Ben and Cam, it was certainly an enjoyable way to spend an afternoon.
Looking forward to next weekend.

I'll post some more pics in the week.

[ashvolvo]

REPOST!!!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Look Mum, I'm American!

I wish I could slap the next person who says repost. :grrr:

[1stRaven]

repost! :-P

[@5sn6s]

repost! :-P


Looks like a LONG swim to the UK Ash!!! :lol:

[ashvolvo]

repost! :-P

Damn comedians! :-P

[The Guv]

I think that people who announce a "repost" sit with 2 computers on their desk, one ready to do a search and the other to pounce on the poor smuck who didn't see it 16 months ago and thought it was funny!

After having a good drive around yesterday I reckon there should be some great roads to have a drive on, probably not many opportunities to be anti-social but the scenery more than makes up for it. There could be some opportunities to do a few of the alternative routes around and do loops back to the dandenongs. Whatever turns us on on the day!

Just as a sideline, I noticed yesterday that my front suspension is noisy, groaning when it goes over bumps. Any ideas? Could it be linked to the new swaybar? :???:

[ashvolvo]

I think that people who announce a "repost" sit with 2 computers on their desk, one ready to do a search and the other to pounce on the poor smuck who didn't see it 16 months ago and thought it was funny!

After having a good drive around yesterday I reckon there should be some great roads to have a drive on, probably not many opportunities to be anti-social but the scenery more than makes up for it. There could be some opportunities to do a few of the alternative routes around and do loops back to the dandenongs. Whatever turns us on on the day!

Just as a sideline, I noticed yesterday that my front suspension is noisy, groaning when it goes over bumps. Any ideas? Could it be linked to the new swaybar? :???:

Front or rear?
:???:

[ashvolvo]

I just grabbed all this from the other thread to make sure its all in the same place.
*Waiting for some idiot to post some stupid image with the word repost on it*

Ash (ashvolvo), Cam (cam740) and myself (The Guv) had a small meet before next weeks meet-up with some more Victorians. After spending most of the 35 degree day lying back in the shade we took the beasts out to a local park, scared the kiddies and took some photos. Even pissed off some rangers too ;-)

Cam keeping the Australian dream alive:

http://www.winkler.com.au/volvo/tbrick1.jpg

Quite an apt piece of parking there: :-P

http://www.winkler.com.au/volvo/tbrick2.jpg

Professional graffitti:

http://www.winkler.com.au/volvo/tbricks3.jpg

The good, the beige and the ugly:

http://www.winkler.com.au/volvo/tbricks4.jpg

Ash trying to look like a pro with Cam looking... well, like Cam :lol::

http://www.winkler.com.au/volvo/tbricks5.jpg

More muscle than an arnie movie:

http://www.winkler.com.au/volvo/tbricks6.jpg

Cam and Ash will put up some more pics soon! :badboy:

[@5sn6s]

Front or rear?
:???:


Don't stress Ash - it's more correctly linked to the amount of junk food consumed over the weekend!!! :-D :-D

[ashvolvo]

Im guessing front swaybar endlink bushes. Since they're urethane, the links should be re-tightened again a few weeks after fitting. Since Barry gets a beating, this might need to be done now.

[@5sn6s]

Im guessing front swaybar endlink bushes. Since they're urethane, the links should be re-tightened again a few weeks after fitting. Since Barry gets a beating, this might need to be done now.


I think Ben's looking forward to giving it a right flogging next week!!!!

He did well yday - only **** himself a couple of times!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[The Guv]

Sweet, you are the god of suspension :urgod: It is the front, both sides started up at once.

I'm starting to learn that the real trick with the 240 is that with minimal power, I have to carry speed through the corners, so make sure I'm going fast before I enter and not try to fully accelerate through the corner. I'm getting there!

I didn't really shat myself, just a few tense moments under brakes but I thought sitting in the middle of a seriously wet intersection as cam just wheelspun was very amusing! :rofl:

Oh, the P plated getting his 240 sideways was classic too!

[@5sn6s]

Sweet, you are the god of suspension :urgod: It is the front, both sides started up at once.

I'm starting to learn that the real trick with the 240 is that with minimal power, I have to carry speed through the corners, so make sure I'm going fast before I enter and not try to fully accelerate through the corner. I'm getting there!

I didn't really shat myself, just a few tense moments under brakes but I thought sitting in the middle of a seriously wet intersection as cam just wheelspun was very amusing! :rolf:

Oh, the P plated getting his 240 sideways was classic too!


Yeah us doin that U bolt or the turn in Mt Evelyn in the wet with that BRIGHT YELLOW XR coming towards us were favourite moments!! THat and thinking we weren't gonna stop and make that turn with the Magna coming towards us!!!!

[ashvolvo]

Should I be concerned that fellow Aus TB members arent going to behave themselves next weekend?

[The Guv]

Should I be concerned that fellow Aus TB members arent going to behave themselves next weekend?

Who us? :badboy:

[@5sn6s]

Should I be concerned that fellow Aus TB members arent going to behave themselves next weekend?


Nah we going UP the hill that was nasty rather than coming down it - my poor old feather bed struggled on the downhill!!!

And my rears light up REAL easy when its a bit damp!!!!

[The Guv]

Post No. 201!

[The Guv]

And my rears light up REAL easy when its a bit damp!!!!

Although I love the rain, I don't think I'd want to go through the deluge going down those hills.

[@5sn6s]

Although I love the rain, I don't think I'd want to go through the deluge going down those hills.


Can anyone here spell woodchopper - thats what you'd end up me thinks!!!!

Hopefully it's a beautiful day and we can post some lovely pics of our fair city for our betters!!! :lol:

[ashvolvo]

Rain is fine, provided everyone is sensible.
If theres tight uphill stuff to be done - this is where the auto 740T should come into its own, accelaration-wise. Also, being softer-sprung it should put power down well enough.

Regardless of whats ahead, it should be a decent day.
Is Dauntless going to ride passenger with anyone?

[@5sn6s]

Rain is fine, provided everyone is sensible.
If theres tight uphill stuff to be done - this is where the auto 740T should come into its own, accelaration-wise. Also, being softer-sprung it should put power down well enough.

Regardless of whats ahead, it should be a decent day.
Is Dauntless going to ride passenger with anyone?


Yeah fairly sure he'll be running with me. I was wrapped when we hit the short straights - i finally got to use the turbo!!!

[@5sn6s]

Hey Ben do you remember what the door trims on the white 244 were like???

[The Guv]

Heavy rain isn't fine, not with my fogging glass and min experience of driving the 240 in it. I've probably driven it 4 times in the rain and 3 of those before the suspension work. It'll be a case of tippy toes for me.

The 740 will eat me on a lot of the sections, especially on a straight!

I thought dauntless would be driving a white 240? ;-)

[The Guv]

Hey Ben do you remember what the door trims on the white 244 were like???

Average I think, definately not dodgy or we would've mentioned it. The front and side exterior trim was good, rear trim farked.

[@5sn6s]

Heavy rain isn't fine, not with my fogging glass and min experience of driving the 240 in it. I've probably driven it 4 times in the rain and 3 of those before the suspension work. It'll be a case of tippy toes for me.

The 740 will eat me on a lot of the sections, especially on a straight!

I thought dauntless would be driving a white 240? ;-)


What do you remember as good on it???

I have listed the fact it was 4 sp the wheel and taco (if it works) the fact the a/c may work a nd the dash mat - anything else????

And no i think he gonna come down and tow it back

[The Guv]

What do you remember as good on it??? I have listed the fact it was 4 sp the wheel and taco (if it works) the fact the a/c may work a nd the dash mat - anything else???? And no i think he gonna come down and tow it back

What was good... Hmm...

Good: steering wheel, dash mat

OK: suspension, door panels, most other panels, side/front exterior trim, lights, grill, bumpers, rear seat, tacho

Average: front seats, dashboard, seatbelts, carpet (needs a vaccuum), engine, tyres (for burnouts!), wheels (steel with humbcaps or plain steel)

Stuffed: Boot lid, rear exterior trim, tacho area of dash, spare tyre, tools (or lack thereof)

I didn't look under the car, too much grass!

[The Guv]

Oh, and the rear right window is broken and plugged with cheap and nasty wood.

[@5sn6s]

Oh, and the rear right window is broken and plugged with cheap and nasty wood.


U sure it wasn't cardboard????
:lol:

[The Guv]

U sure it wasn't cardboard????
:lol:

Ummm, nope! I thought it was that crappy plywood but hey "I haf many people to buy, you ring soon soon!" it must be quality stuff! :lol:

[@5sn6s]

Ummm, nope! I thought it was that crappy plywood but hey "I haf many people to buy, you ring soon soon!" it must be quality stuff! :lol:


Yeah what a pisser that was - I'm sure the grass around it was lower cause the car had thousands beating a path towards it!!!

[ashvolvo]

Heavy rain isn't fine, not with my fogging glass and min experience of driving the 240 in it. I've probably driven it 4 times in the rain and 3 of those before the suspension work. It'll be a case of tippy toes for me.

The 740 will eat me on a lot of the sections, especially on a straight!

I thought dauntless would be driving a white 240? ;-)

Get some RainX and do the inside and the outside of your windscreen - seems to work fairly well.

[ashvolvo]

You dont get much for $200. I'd offer them $150 (or perhaps less) - the grass around it was long, hasnt been moved, no one has test driven it.

Just remember too that wreckers are no longer paying for old 240s - in most cases its a case of 'Yeah, I guess we'll take it if you really want to get rid of it'

If Dauntless is coming from NSW to get the car and then get it back there, these costs really become part of the purchase price.

I certainly wouldnt be driving a questionably safe/roadworthy car from Melbourne to Central NSW.

If you get the car back there and its cost more than $500 - it probably is simply worth waiting for something more local.

[@5sn6s]

You dont get much for $200. I'd offer them $150 (or perhaps less) - the grass around it was long, hasnt been moved, no one has test driven it.

Just remember too that wreckers are no longer paying for old 240s - in most cases its a case of 'Yeah, I guess we'll take it if you really want to get rid of it'

If Dauntless is coming from NSW to get the car and then get it back there, these costs really become part of the purchase price.

I certainly wouldnt be driving a questionably safe/roadworthy car from Melbourne to Central NSW.

If you get the car back there and its cost more than $500 - it probably is simply worth waiting for something more local.


Depends on what he wants off it i suppose - the wheel and the dash mat alone would nearly make it worth while then ditch the rest! but yeah my guess is it's been there a while!!!

Oh yeah after the run up the hill we were thinking of heading to Pinch a Part!! :lol:

[Dauntless]

You dont get much for $200. I'd offer them $150 (or perhaps less) - the grass around it was long, hasnt been moved, no one has test driven it.

Just remember too that wreckers are no longer paying for old 240s - in most cases its a case of 'Yeah, I guess we'll take it if you really want to get rid of it'

If Dauntless is coming from NSW to get the car and then get it back there, these costs really become part of the purchase price.

I certainly wouldnt be driving a questionably safe/roadworthy car from Melbourne to Central NSW.

If you get the car back there and its cost more than $500 - it probably is simply worth waiting for something more local.

Very true. I can get free accomodation down there though, and if I can borrow my mates Falcon van on LPG and a car trailer, then I'm set to go. Otherwise I probably won't bother with it.

[@5sn6s]

Very true. I can get free accomodation down there though, and if I can borrow my mates Falcon van on LPG and a car trailer, then I'm set to go. Otherwise I probably won't bother with it.


u still gonna come down for the meet???

[The Guv]

Get some RainX and do the inside and the outside of your windscreen - seems to work fairly well.

I'll give it a go, I should really read the manual! :-P

[ashvolvo]

u still gonna come down for the meet???

REPOST!!! :-P

Sorry, got a bit carried away, since you've asked if people are coming along before and all! :rofl:

[ashvolvo]

Would you still do calder if it rains Ben?

[ashvolvo]

Very true. I can get free accomodation down there though, and if I can borrow my mates Falcon van on LPG and a car trailer, then I'm set to go. Otherwise I probably won't bother with it.

We'd still like to see you if you can make it but decide against the car.

- OR -
We can all come up, stay at your place and do some laps around Bathurst.
Although, perhaps not a good idea unless we planning on flying home and not being able to drive for some time.

[EvanSargent]

What is DISI and why do aussies love it? How many sheep were rooted in durring the meet?

[@5sn6s]

What is DISI and why do aussies love it? How many sheep were rooted in durring the meet?


Nah the sheep rooting is NZ's national sport!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

We had no idea who was DISI - but you gotta love the effort they went to!!!!


And Aussie's - the bling photo's are a DEFINATE now!!!

[Dauntless]

u still gonna come down for the meet???

Well if I don't end up getting the car, then probably not, lots of cost involved.... :-(

We'd still like to see you if you can make it but decide against the car.

- OR -
We can all come up, stay at your place and do some laps around Bathurst.
Although, perhaps not a good idea unless we planning on flying home and not being able to drive for some time.

HAHA, did some laps around the mountain last night actually! :cool:

[@5sn6s]

Well if I don't end up getting the car, then probably not, lots of cost involved.... :-(





There may still be something we can arrange - just let us know what you plan on doing!!!

[EvanSargent]

I have had 2 RA's from Auz. I remember the first time Mazz went off about rooting sheep I was like WTF? What are you talking about? Took a while for me to catch on to her sence of humor.

[@5sn6s]

I have had 2 RA's from Auz. I remember the first time Mazz went off about rooting sheep I was like WTF? What are you talking about? Took a while for me to catch on to her sence of humor.


RA's??????

ANd yeah the Aussie humour is very different to teh Yanky humpur. WE use the letter "u" twice in our humour for a start!!! :lol: :lol:

Generally Aus humour is cutting and caustic!

[ashvolvo]

What is DISI and why do aussies love it? How many sheep were rooted in durring the meet?

:rofl:

No idea who or what DISI is, but that graffiti was nicely done, writing was clear, well laid out and looked quite presentable.

Sheep rooting, it seems to be a popular pastime (sport?) for the folks across the Tasman in NZ, although Ben is originally from Tasmania, so he may have a little more sheep rooting experience than Cam and myself from Victoria. Its warmer here than in Tassie, so no need to select particularly wooly partners. :-P

[ashvolvo]

RA's??????

ANd yeah the Aussie humour is very different to teh Yanky humpur. WE use the letter "u" twice in our humour for a start!!! :lol: :lol:

Generally Aus humour is cutting and caustic!

and we have aluminium instead of aluminum and tyres instead of tires, which often causes great amusement in the event that someone nit-picking on discussion forums, picks you up on a typo!

[@5sn6s]

and we have aluminium instead of aluminum and tyres instead of tires, which often causes great amusement in the event that someone nit-picking on discussion forums, picks you up on a typo!


and then there's driving on the right side of the road - which is the left!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I kinda wish we were LHD like most parts of the world though - we miss out on SOOOOO much!!

[ashvolvo]

and then there's driving on the right side of the road - which is the left!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I kinda wish we were LHD like most parts of the world though - we miss out on SOOOOO much!!

Yes, but if everything was easy we wouldnt have such strong cultural ingenuity (sp?)
Australians are extremely common in MotoGP, CART, IRL, F1, BTCC and many other forms of motorsport around the world - this can be directly attributed to an attitude that anything can be accomplished regardless of constraints.

Thinking back towards our beloved Volvos again....
(I am generalising here)
in the LHD market, reasonable performance = minor modifications and add a turbo

This isnt a cost effective approach for us in most cases, particularly in a 240. Far easier in theory than in practise
So, in the Volvo RHD market, there is a greater amount of knowledge to help get performance out of an N/A engine. This knowledge is often ignored in favour of forums that focus on LHD market, and the guys who often have this knowledge arent interested in the internet, etc.

Australians have a very 'obstacles breed engineering' attitude.
Sometimes we can veer away from this path and head towards what others have done rather than learn for ourselves and work with the specifics of our own problem.


*Imagine this post being read by the guy who does the VB commercial!*

[1stRaven]

I think you guys need a chat room!

Talk about increasing your post count in one night!

[The Guv]

*Imagine this post being read by the guy who does the VB commercial!*

:rofl: The VB can holder. Its important becuase it keeps your beer cold and secondly, it keeps your hand dry. 2 really important uses in one soft package...

EDIT: I've found the ads, enjoy!

http://www.fosters.com.au/beer/about/brands/beer/vic_bitter.asp

[Dauntless]

Well, looks like I'm out... my mate has taken back his offer on the van, plus I can't get a trailer. Bugger it! :-(

OK, so I still want that damn steering wheel, so if anyone wants to buy that car, I'll put in $100 towards it for a few minor parts, and I'll even post a steering wheel to you if you want, and I'll pay any postage. So you'll get yourself a complete 244 for under $100! Someone please jump on this!

[ashvolvo]

Well, looks like I'm out... my mate has taken back his offer on the van, plus I can't get a trailer. Bugger it! :-(

OK, so I still want that damn steering wheel, so if anyone wants to buy that car, I'll put in $100 towards it for a few minor parts, and I'll even post a steering wheel to you if you want, and I'll pay any postage. So you'll get yourself a complete 244 for under $100! Someone please jump on this!

Let us know exactly what you are looking for in the way of minor parts and perhaps some of us either have some of it lying around or could find what you're looking for at Pick a Part over the weekend.
If you're after a steering wheel, have a look on ebay or buy an '89 240 steering wheel as they're different and quite small.

[The Guv]

Let us know exactly what you are looking for in the way of minor parts

Definately let us know, Cam and I are toying with the idea of buying it as an experiment car, take it apart and see what it does. You might be interested Ash with any experiments? I'm thinking about the possibility of a black dash...

[Dauntless]

Let us know exactly what you are looking for in the way of minor parts and perhaps some of us either have some of it lying around or could find what you're looking for at Pick a Part over the weekend.
If you're after a steering wheel, have a look on ebay or buy an '89 240 steering wheel as they're different and quite small.

Yup, I just wanted that one though, it's so cool, and unique ;-)

Actually I can probably get the minor parts locally if I wait a while, but I'll see how it turns out.

So any takers?

[ashvolvo]

Definately let us know, Cam and I are toying with the idea of buying it as an experiment car, take it apart and see what it does. You might be interested Ash with any experiments? I'm thinking about the possibility of a black dash...

The swapping of the dash isnt that hard, but quite time consuming.
You have the Haynes manual now, so you can have a read first.

Also B21A is an ideal candidate for a simple turbo conversion - low compression AND it doesnt have fuel injection, which means.... no management neccessary.
This leaves you with only one large problem - custom exhaust manifold.

The rest are tolerable work-arounds.

[ashvolvo]

WTF are you people doing awake anyway?

[Dauntless]

Definately let us know, Cam and I are toying with the idea of buying it as an experiment car, take it apart and see what it does. You might be interested Ash with any experiments? I'm thinking about the possibility of a black dash...

Buy it man, read the other stuff I said about buying it ;-)

[The Guv]

The swapping of the dash isnt that hard, but quite time consuming.
You have the Haynes manual now, so you can have a read first.

Also B21A is an ideal candidate for a simple turbo conversion - low compression AND it doesnt have fuel injection, which means.... no management neccessary.
This leaves you with only one large problem - custom exhaust manifold.

The rest are tolerable work-arounds.

Do I detect a hint of "beat dougs 242" interest? ;-) ;-)

[@5sn6s]

Do I detect a hint of "beat dougs 242" interest? ;-) ;-)


Well I read the word TURBO and my ears pricked up - among other things!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Our friends keep some pretty ****ed hours Ben!!! :-P

Oh and 1straven - we have a chat room!!! :) :)

Your in it!

[ashvolvo]

Do I detect a hint of "beat dougs 242" interest? ;-) ;-)

Not likely, but a lot of fun could be had whilst trying.

A company called GIK made a turbo kit in the very early 80's for carb'd B2x redblocks.

[@5sn6s]

Not likely, but a lot of fun could be had whilst trying.

A company called GIK made a turbo kit in the very early 80's for carb'd B2x redblocks.


I'm assuming we talking a suck thru carby stye Ash, like they ran on the Sigma's????

I'm interested I gotta say - I WASN"T cause i thought the carby wouldn't be able to have anything done with it!!

[Dauntless]

Any takers on the car!?

[The Guv]

Well I'm in if Ash and Cam want to go thirds with me, a bit of a project car! :badboy:

A rare turbo'd 240 owned by the 3 stooges!

[ashvolvo]

Well I'm in if Ash and Cam want to go thirds with me, a bit of a project car! :badboy:

A rare turbo'd 240 owned by the 3 stooges!

I'm not interested in this one for the following reasons:
1/ No storage space
2/ Not enough time to work on it
3/ Saving for a house
4/ Not sure if its a decent enought starting point for a project

But if anyone else is interested, Im happy to come and have a tinker now and then and help out when time permits.

[@5sn6s]

I'm not interested in this one for the following reasons:
1/ No storage space
2/ Not enough time to work on it
3/ Saving for a house
4/ Not sure if its a decent enought starting point for a project

But if anyone else is interested, Im happy to come and have a tinker now and then and help out when time permits.


I tend to agree with Ash Ben - I like the idea of doing something like that but would be better off with something that has either a top interior or exterior!!

If we can find something like that - I'm in!! I PM'd Ash before but I'll say it here- I'd never even considered doin up a carby car cause I thought FI was the way to go!

But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!! :lol: :lol:

What bout a 142 Ben if we can find one????

[EvanSargent]

RA = Resident Advisor (someone who is supposed to be responsible)

I love our Auz RA's they could give a **** if you burnt the building down. David (the other RA) and I were throwing and kicking his rugby ball around when I knocked a fire alarm off the celing. we were like "****" and quickly put the ball away. 10 minutes later the fire marshal comes up cussing all over the place about the "****ing kids" they went and asked David first if he and seen anything and he was like "nope, just got here"

[ashvolvo]

RA = Resident Advisor (someone who is supposed to be responsible)

I love our Auz RA's they could give a **** if you burnt the building down. David (the other RA) and I were throwing and kicking his rugby ball around when I knocked a fire alarm off the celing. we were like "****" and quickly put the ball away. 10 minutes later the fire marshal comes up cussing all over the place about the "****ing kids" they went and asked David first if he and seen anything and he was like "nope, just got here"

Australian culture breeds this a bit, as long as no one is hurt and no ones upset - everything is fine.
Its also a national pastime to take the piss out of your mates, and generally this is considered funny rather than offensive.

[ashvolvo]

I tend to agree with Ash Ben - I like the idea of doing something like that but would be better off with something that has either a top interior or exterior!!

If we can find something like that - I'm in!! I PM'd Ash before but I'll say it here- I'd never even considered doin up a carby car cause I thought FI was the way to go!

But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!! :lol: :lol:

What bout a 142 Ben if we can find one????

A 142 would be excellent, you'd be eligible for historic racing too if its built right.
Dave might be an ideal source of input/information for such a project.

[The Guv]

Yeah, I can see your points but I wasn't thinking of it as a proper project car, more as something to play with and take apart with the possibility of looking at engine work. This is because I also have sweet fa money at the moment and really don't have a lot of mechanical knowledge. In hindsight, this would've made it biased towards getting Ash to do things.

So if you're still interested Cam as a car for that purpose then great but if you're looking for a more project car then I'll help but wouldn't buy into one as I have my 240. :)

[@5sn6s]

Australian culture breeds this a bit, as long as no one is hurt and no ones upset - everything is fine.
Its also a national pastime to take the piss out of your mates, and generally this is considered funny rather than offensive.


Major Aussie sayings:

Doesn't matter!!!

No wukkers!!!

She'll be right mate!!

Ahhh we'll do it tomorrow!!

God its good being an Aussie!!! :lol: :lol:

Makes it hard when you take the piss outta other Natio's and they get the ****s!! :???:

[@5sn6s]

Yeah, I can see your points but I wasn't thinking of it as a proper project car, more as something to play with and take apart with the possibility of looking at engine work. This is because I also have sweet fa money at the moment and really don't have a lot of mechanical knowledge. In hindsight, this would've made it biased towards getting Ash to do things.

So if you're still interested Cam as a car for that purpose then great but if you're looking for a more project car then I'll help but wouldn't buy into one as I have my 240. :)


What about both??? Use this one as something to pull apart and play with and i'll keep an eye out for a 142 or similar??

Funny I was talking to Dad about that silver on this am and he was saying "fark - grab it!" and then remembered that the 264s don't have much of a rep for good engines. His next comment was "wat about a 164E"????? :lol: :lol:

[ashvolvo]

What about both??? Use this one as something to pull apart and play with and i'll keep an eye out for a 142 or similar??

Funny I was talking to Dad about that silver on this am and he was saying "fark - grab it!" and then remembered that the 264s don't have much of a rep for good engines. His next comment was "wat about a 164E"????? :lol: :lol:

A 164 can be super quick, but certainly not that well balanced.
Traditional Volvo guys love them though, so you'd certainly be popular with the club.

[EvanSargent]

I remember Mazz being like "you guys dont sneak up on your mates (guys/grils) when their in the showur"

[The Guv]

What about both??? Use this one as something to pull apart and play with and i'll keep an eye out for a 142 or similar??

Funny I was talking to Dad about that silver on this am and he was saying "fark - grab it!" and then remembered that the 264s don't have much of a rep for good engines. His next comment was "wat about a 164E"????? :lol: :lol:

Hmmm, now that is tempting. With the offer of $100 for the 250, $50 each then a little fun/project 142 could be very interesting. I think Heino may have one for sale but it could be too expensive. Can we paint a huge fukoff racing stripe on it? :lol: The 2 doors are dead sexy lowered with the bumpers removed :badboy:

You're right Ash (not that I really know anything about them), Noels 164 absolutely canes along, I was really suprised about how fast it went, especially up the hills.

[@5sn6s]

I remember Mazz being like "you guys dont sneak up on your mates (guys/grils) when their in the showur"


And you just thort it happened in Porky's!!!!!

It's not unusual to cop a bucketful of cold water over the top of a dunny door at a footy or cricket club!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[@5sn6s]

Hmmm, now that is tempting. With the offer of $100 for the 250, $50 each then a little fun/project 142 could be very interesting. I think Heino may have one for sale but it could be too expensive. Can we paint a huge fukoff racing stripe on it? :lol: The 2 doors are dead sexy lowered with the bumpers removed :badboy:

You're right Ash (not that I really know anything about them), Noels 164 absolutely canes along, I was really suprised about how fast it went, especially up the hills.


Dauntless still wants some stuff off the 240 - the wheel etc so we can take that into account!!!

I think Tracy gonna be not happy with me! :badboy:

[Dauntless]

Guys, that steering wheel must be MINE! :rofl:

I don't care what you guys do with the car, part it out or something and make some money ;-)

[ashvolvo]

Hmmm, now that is tempting. With the offer of $100 for the 250, $50 each then a little fun/project 142 could be very interesting. I think Heino may have one for sale but it could be too expensive. Can we paint a huge fukoff racing stripe on it? :lol: The 2 doors are dead sexy lowered with the bumpers removed :badboy:

You're right Ash (not that I really know anything about them), Noels 164 absolutely canes along, I was really suprised about how fast it went, especially up the hills.

I think you mean Noels 122.
164 - Tina's gold/brown car.

Heino would probably give us a 144 body if we asked.
But it also brings us (me, anyway) back to the issues above.

[@5sn6s]

Ben - what he said!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (Dauntless I mean - ASH beat me in!!!)

[DaveTrees]

What about both??? Use this one as something to pull apart and play with and i'll keep an eye out for a 142 or similar??



Like I mentioned in the other thread ... there is an early 142 (or 144) at the wreckers in Lloyd St in Kensington, just off Dynon Road.

I drive past on the way to & from work ... if I get a chance I'll stop & see what sort of condition its in ... looks complete from the road !

[The Guv]

Ben - what he said!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (Dauntless I mean - ASH beat me in!!!)

Eh? :???: Wot you talkin bout willis?

[The Guv]

I think you mean Noels 122.
164 - Tina's gold/brown car.

Heino would probably give us a 144 body if we asked.
But it also brings us (me, anyway) back to the issues above.

Doh!

[@5sn6s]

I think you mean Noels 122.
164 - Tina's gold/brown car.

Heino would probably give us a 144 body if we asked.
But it also brings us (me, anyway) back to the issues above.


i'm on a 1/4 acre so got room to store the car - it's not under cover though thats the only thing!!!

[@5sn6s]

Eh? :???: Wot you talkin bout willis?


Dauntless is willing to buy the steering wheel so we then can take that into account!!

Dave if you could that'd be great - it's a shame I don't work in SOmerville Rd anymore - woulda been just around the corner!!

[The Guv]

Dauntless is willing to buy the steering wheel so we then can take that into account!!

Dave if you could that'd be great - it's a shame I don't work in SOmerville Rd anymore - woulda been just around the corner!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Well if you're happy with the storing it then count me in. We could even haggle a bit. "no no, me haf many buyers. many buyers happy wif price. you no haggle!".

Gee, i can't stop taking the piss!

[@5sn6s]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Well if you're happy with the storing it then count me in. We could even haggle a bit. "no no, me haf many buyers. many buyers happy wif price. you no haggle!".

Gee, i can't stop taking the piss!


u may have to change yr name to catheter!!!

[The Guv]

Don't be a drip Cam.




:rofl:

[ashvolvo]

i'm on a 1/4 acre so got room to store the car - it's not under cover though thats the only thing!!!

Could build a carport.

[ashvolvo]

Not to be a wet blanket, but a project car with limited/no budget can get very depressing.

[@5sn6s]

Not to be a wet blanket, but a project car with limited/no budget can get very depressing.


i think we are looking at the 240 (or similar) as something to pull apart and play with. The 142 wou;d be something to get on the road and then work up slowly!!

[ashvolvo]

i think we are looking at the 240 (or similar) as something to pull apart and play with. The 142 wou;d be something to get on the road and then work up slowly!!

Certainly a good idea, just be careful not to get swept away with it and keep the spending under control.

[@5sn6s]

Certainly a good idea, just be careful not to get swept away with it and keep the spending under control.


I'm getting married - spending could never be crazy!!! lol

[ashvolvo]

I'm selling my 531 head :-(

[@5sn6s]

I'm selling my 531 head :-(


how come????

[ashvolvo]

how come????

To do it well, my budget for machining etc would be around the $1000 mark (cost to me) on top of buying the head, as we dont do everything in house. While we have a lot of air tools and equipment, There are parts of the machining that we dont have the tooling to do.
I have lots of notes, theory, raw data, etc.

Anyway, spending $1000 on this sort of thing right now, is a little self-indulgent when 'We' are saving for a home.

Further to that, I had an enquiry from a customer asking about a 531 head.
I'll probably package it up over the weekend and send it to its new home.

As you may be beginning to learn, I dont like half doing things and I think that I cant justify pouring the money into this sort of project that it deserves, in order to be done well.

Sad, but true.

[@5sn6s]

To do it well, my budget for machining etc would be around the $1000 mark (cost to me) on top of buying the head, as we dont do everything in house. While we have a lot of air tools and equipment, There are parts of the machining that we dont have the tooling to do.
I have lots of notes, theory, raw data, etc.

Anyway, spending $1000 on this sort of thing right now, is a little self-indulgent when 'We' are saving for a home.

Further to that, I had an enquiry from a customer asking about a 531 head.
I'll probably package it up over the weekend and send it to its new home.

As you may be beginning to learn, I dont like half doing things and I think that I cant justify pouring the money into this sort of project that it deserves, in order to be done well.

Sad, but true.


yeah I had noticed that!!!

Would be a shame to see you loose it - but I'm hearing ya about the $$ and the "we" part of it!!

[ashvolvo]

yeah I had noticed that!!!

Would be a shame to see you loose it - but I'm hearing ya about the $$ and the "we" part of it!!

Its my choice though, there wouldnt be any problem in me doing it from Jae - entirely my own (sensible) decision.

I'll pick up another eventually, but for the time-being it seems a little silly to have money being spent in this manner.

[@5sn6s]

Its my choice though, there wouldnt be any problem in me doing it from Jae - entirely my own (sensible) decision.

I'll pick up another eventually, but for the time-being it seems a little silly to have money being spent in this manner.


trace is much the same - lets me do stuff but then you think "hang on - I'm spending $$$ on whatever when we have all these other things to pay for!!!"

[ashvolvo]

trace is much the same - lets me do stuff but then you think "hang on - I'm spending $$$ on whatever when we have all these other things to pay for!!!"

Sounds like a good woman, much like Ms Jae.

But theres more than one way to skin a cat - the 240 goes on a diet!
The 100kg so far that have been removed certainly make a difference to responsiveness.

If it ever came down to it though, the 240 wouldnt go - she probably wouldnt let me get rid of it, even if the thought popped into my head.
But if we ever had to we'd sell the T5 and her 240 and buy a small car.

[@5sn6s]

Sounds like a good woman, much like Ms Jae.

But theres more than one way to skin a cat - the 240 goes on a diet!
The 100kg so far that have been removed certainly make a difference to responsiveness.

If it ever came down to it though, the 240 wouldnt go - she probably wouldnt let me get rid of it, even if the thought popped into my head.
But if we ever had to we'd sell the T5 and her 240 and buy a small car.


Make sure you let me know if you ever wanna sell the T5 - I could maybe convince Trace (or my old man for work!!) into it!!!


Wouldn't make sense to sell the Red Baron - you'd never get anywhere near as much as it owes ya!!

[@5sn6s]

But if we ever had to we'd sell the T5 and her 240 and buy a small car.


360 GLT with a B23 maybe???? :badboy: :badboy: :badboy: :-P

[ashvolvo]

360 GLT with a B23 maybe???? :badboy: :badboy: :badboy: :-P

nope, probably a new or 2 year old pulsar AND (you'll laugh) it would have to be an auto!!!!
Jae doesnt drive manual, and as far as value for money is concerned, pulsars are excellent.
Super reliable, you dont do much to them except fill the windscreen washer water! :-P

360 would lead into another 'project' and we all know what a money pit projects can be.

I've spent LOTS more on the 240 (including purchase price) than I have on the 850 (including purchase price) - quite a frightening concept actually.

I'll take you for a quick drive soonish, and you'll probably see/feel where all the money has gone.

[ashvolvo]

Wouldn't make sense to sell the Red Baron - you'd never get anywhere near as much as it owes ya!!

true, but I did know this when we built it, so I have no regrets or complaints.

[ashvolvo]

We dont need money or anything like that just yet, the saving is going quite well.
However, if it comes to a point where we've found the house we want but we need an extra $10k, thats when the 850 would have to find a new home.

[@5sn6s]

nope, probably a new or 2 year old pulsar AND (you'll laugh) it would have to be an auto!!!!
Jae doesnt drive manual, and as far as value for money is concerned, pulsars are excellent.
Super reliable, you dont do much to them except fill the windscreen washer water! :-P

360 would lead into another 'project' and we all know what a money pit projects can be.

I've spent LOTS more on the 240 (including purchase price) than I have on the 850 (including purchase price) - quite a frightening concept actually.

I'll take you for a quick drive soonish, and you'll probably see/feel where all the money has gone.


Thought I'd try the 360 - didn't think you'd bite!!!!

What about a Mazda 3????

[ashvolvo]

Thought I'd try the 360 - didn't think you'd bite!!!!

What about a Mazda 3????

360 with B23/B230 and penta stroker crank and rods, no A/C, no P/S, extractors and a H cam would be my idea of fun.

I just dont like Mazdas in general and not a huge fan of the shape and style.

I like the new corolla's but pulsar is better value for money IMO.

[@5sn6s]

360 with B23/B230 and penta stroker crank and rods, no A/C, no P/S, extractors and a H cam would be my idea of fun.

I just dont like Mazdas in general and not a huge fan of the shape and style.

I like the new corolla's but pulsar is better value for money IMO.


I'm still trying to decide on a 142 or 360glt - depends on what I find 1st I guess!!!

[ashvolvo]

I'm still trying to decide on a 142 or 360glt - depends on what I find 1st I guess!!!

Should have said NEW mazdas. RX7s in their time, were (and still are) a force to be reckoned with.

142 or 360 - each have their advantages.
142s look far cooler, but a 360 is amazlingly well balanced, and shares many components engine-wise with its bigger brothers.

[The Guv]

Should have said NEW mazdas. RX7s in their time, were (and still are) a force to be reckoned with.

142 or 360 - each have their advantages.
142s look far cooler, but a 360 is amazlingly well balanced, and shares many components engine-wise with its bigger brothers.

A 360 would be an absolute ball, no-one would notice it at first! I still think 142's are deas sexy when done right *drool*

[Dauntless]

Dauntless is willing to buy the steering wheel so we then can take that into account!!


Yep, you guys can get out of it really cheaply... I may even buy like $150-200 of parts off you guys!

[The Guv]

Anybody know how much car trailers are to rent?

[ashvolvo]

Anybody know how much car trailers are to rent?

A battery would probably be cheaper if youre not moving it far.

[ashvolvo]

if you guys do buy it and want to part it out, I'll take the rear bumper if its decent.

[The Guv]

I think we have a parts car Cam!

[@5sn6s]

I think we have a parts car Cam!


Sounds like a plan!!!

U wanna ring her and we'll pick it up Sat morning before the meet - we can drop it off at my folks place!!!

[The Guv]

...U wanna ring her...

Nope! :rofl: But seriously, i dont have her number!

EDIT// I can find it out from the advert, duh!

[@5sn6s]

Nope! :rofl: But seriously, i dont have her number!

EDIT// I can find it out from the advert, duh!


And here was me thinking you were jsut a pretty face!!!

[ashvolvo]

What year is the car?

[@5sn6s]

What year is the car?


79???

[The Guv]

What year is the car?

Old???

[ashvolvo]

plastic or aluminium bumpers?

[@5sn6s]

plastic or aluminium bumpers?


Um maybe both??? I've got the pics on my PC at home - or Dauntless may have em if he's floating around - I know I took photos of both front and rear.

I'm also thinking bout offering $500 for the 264 we saw at Pinch A Part Ben - and I KNOW that had the metal bumpers with the rubber inserts!!

EDIT// Ash I know the plastic on the bumpers was all cracked - i remember that from the photo's of the rear!!

[The Guv]

Here is the link to the white 240: http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.private_vehicle?vehicle_id=2114395&current_rec=1&total_rec=5&sort_type=&make_id=4&model_id=112&state_id=-1&search_distance=25

Hmm, whats you thinking about the 264?

[ashvolvo]

Um maybe both??? I've got the pics on my PC at home - or Dauntless may have em if he's floating around - I know I took photos of both front and rear.

I'm also thinking bout offering $500 for the 264 we saw at Pinch A Part Ben - and I KNOW that had the metal bumpers with the rubber inserts!!

EDIT// Ash I know the plastic on the bumpers was all cracked - i remember that from the photo's of the rear!!


If the bars are aluminium larger type bumpers - 'Commando' type, you'll really need to be careful and plan what you can easily get rid of, to avoid with being stuck with a car and barely make back what you pay for it.

pre '81 cars arent worth much at all anymore, as there arent many desirable parts (for most people)
You'd probably be able to sell the grille from the car to one of the US-based guys on here, as they seem to be in reasonable demand. Dauntless may want the steering wheel, but you'll need to consider if whats left is worth the (small) financial outlay and worth the time and effort involved in getting it home, pulling it apart etc.

$500 for a 264 - its hard to say, but it would want to be pretty good for $500 - generally early 260s seem to be worth even less than early 240s. Have a think about this before you buy.

[ashvolvo]

The description says '79 BUT it has '81 onwards dash, headlights, grille, guards, indicators and bumpers.

If you want to part it out it might be a reasonable buy, but it sounds quite dodgy for the purpose of a project.

[@5sn6s]

The description says '79 BUT it has '81 onwards dash, headlights, grille, guards, indicators and bumpers.

If you want to part it out it might be a reasonable buy, but it sounds quite dodgy for the purpose of a project.


i know i'm not after it as a project would be fun way to learn bout em by pulling one apart!! Ben wants the dash

we'll have a look at the 264 on Sat - I'll make sure I got $400 with me!!!

[The Guv]

i know i'm not after it as a project would be fun way to learn bout em by pulling one apart!! Ben wants the dash

Ditto, my project car is Barry. The learning/dash car is the - hmm, have to think of a name for it!

[The Guv]

Post whore warning!


Actually, even calling barry a project car is a bit of an overstatement, it's just my car, the only one I want to/can put money into it.

[@5sn6s]

Post whore warning!


Actually, even calling barry a project car is a bit of an overstatement, it's just my car, the only one I want to/can put money into it.


I dont wanna put too much in the 740 - maybe work the susp a little and get the brakes done by Ash and leave it at that

[The Guv]

I dont wanna put too much in the 740 - maybe work the susp a little and get the brakes done by Ash and leave it at that

I remember seeing a great 142 rally car for sale in the club newsletter, all decked out, competition engine, cage, wheels, dash etc etc etc for around 7 grand. For me I'd rather just buy that and get it road legal but where would I take it? After spending the 7g's I'd have no money for fuel or track time!

I'm looking forward to doing my 240's fan, intake and exhaust. Apart from that now there isn't much to do except for tint and a sticker! You're kind of limited if it's your only car too. Perhaps I should by a liberty rs and strip the barry like Max eh Ash? :lol:

[ashvolvo]

I dont wanna put too much in the 740 - maybe work the susp a little and get the brakes done by Ash and leave it at that

I have your front brake prices/details. I will give it to you on the weekend if you like.
I'd also like you to take me for a ride in the car, as Im concerned that pads & discs may not be the cause of the problem - your pads were near new when we removed them on saturday.

You might even be able to resolve the problem by rebuilding the calipers. a sticking piston may be the cause
Just a thought.

[@5sn6s]

I have your front brake prices/details. I will give it to you on the weekend if you like.
I'd also like you to take me for a ride in the car, as Im concerned that pads & discs may not be the cause of the problem - your pads were near new when we removed them on saturday.

You might even be able to resolve the problem by rebuilding the calipers. a sticking piston may be the cause
Just a thought.


Yeah thats fine - it is something that has been confusing me for a while!!!

The pads were changed when I got the car so have done prob 7k and the discs I was told were "ok" when i got it - but am willing to listen to any suggestions!!!

the set up you were looking at would be better than standard anyway yeah???

[ashvolvo]

Yeah thats fine - it is something that has been confusing me for a while!!!

The pads were changed when I got the car so have done prob 7k and the discs I was told were "ok" when i got it - but am willing to listen to any suggestions!!!

the set up you were looking at would be better than standard anyway yeah???

If you were to change the front discs and pads I'd suggest the following combinations:

1/ Brembo (non-slotted) rotors and EBC blackstuff pads
2/ Brembo slotted rottors and EBC Greenstuff pads

However, if the problem is with your caliper and not discs or pads, then the problem/symptom isnt going to go away.

For a general everyday, cost effective solution I'd suggest option 1. - much cheaper and theres no need to bring brakes up to temp before application.

If the problem is caliper related, its a case of finding 2 second hand calipers, rebuilding them and swapping them over.

[barefoot]

What's up with your brakes, Cam?

On a road car, the only thing slotted rotors will do is wear your pads out faster. Believe me, I've got the dyno results to show it. There may be a marginal difference at stupid-hot glowing-rotor temperatures...but unless your car is a trailer baby, you won't see a difference.

It's funny how I haven't heard anybody EVER talk about "pad degassing" or "glazing" since I started working in the friction material industry. It's just folklore.

Still, carmakers like slotted rotors for the "bling" value on their up-spec sporty models. One big carmaker in particular I deal with, through their brake hardware supplier. I'll give the carmaker a secret code-name "lion" ;-)

They wanted to sell slotted rotors as an OE accessory through their top-shelf factory-rice label ("lion by design" ;-) ). In order to sell them on brand new cars, they needed to pass ADR requirements, which say that the friction must be within a certain percentage of the standard package (which has passed ADRs, of course).

Everybody involved - including guys who have been testing brakes for 30+ years - were amazed that the slotted rotors gave repeatably different results to the plain rotors on, IIRC, 0.5g stops from 160km/h. They'd never seen any difference before, in anything other than wear rates.

The real eye-opener though? The friction level with slotted rotors was repeatbly LESS than on the same rotors without the slots. By more than 15% in that section of the test. They had to pull the plug on the factory-option slotted rotors because they didn't pass Australian Design Rules equivalence test, and they couldn't afford to certify the slotted rotors for ADR separately (big expensive test that no Australian lab or proving ground is qualified to do).

Anyway...let me know what's going wrong with your brakes and I might be able to help...

[@5sn6s]

If you were to change the front discs and pads I'd suggest the following combinations:

1/ Brembo (non-slotted) rotors and EBC blackstuff pads
2/ Brembo slotted rottors and EBC Greenstuff pads

However, if the problem is with your caliper and not discs or pads, then the problem/symptom isnt going to go away.

For a general everyday, cost effective solution I'd suggest option 1. - much cheaper and theres no need to bring brakes up to temp before application.

If the problem is caliper related, its a case of finding 2 second hand calipers, rebuilding them and swapping them over.


Calipers seem to come up fairly often on the net so that shouldn't be a stress!!! Just wanna know why it groans grunts farts and squeels so much!!! lol

[barefoot]

Just wanna know why it groans grunts farts and squeels so much!!! lol

Squeal is a comfort thing, but doesn't affect the brake operation at all. Basically, if a few components in your brake system are tuned in to have the same resonant frequency, they'll squeal. You could try slotting your pads to lower their bending frequency, which might de-tune the system. Or it might tune them in to another of the rotor's resonant modes. Welcome to my life as a brake NVH engineer :rofl:

Grunts and farts are more of a worry :omg:

What pads are you running, and did these grunts and farts happen before you changed them?

tim

[ashvolvo]

Tedium, your point is a valid one, but really only valid if you're using the same pad across your tests. Standard pads only have a specific operating temperature range, and therefore would pass through this range before slotting becomes of any use.
Effectively slots simply have a cheese-grater effect on these types of pad with no real benefit.

With performance pads; Pagid, Hawk Brake, some EBC variants, etc the buildup of gasses between the disc surface and the pad face becomes an issue, hence the slotting.

If this was mere myth or urban legend we wouldnt see slotting of rotors in any motorsport applications.

Personally I can atest to the difference made by a combination of decent pads and slotted front rotors in a track application.
Rotor temperatures were lower after slotting and braking effectiveness lasted longer before fading.

Something that may be of note, that you're probably already aware of, with laws stating that asbestos is no longer being used in braking materials, there are bound to be differences.

Bendix pads purchased in the last 12 - 18 months have a tendancy to squeal on Volvos - this is particularly a problem with rear pads on 240s. Having a braking backgroud, you might be able to enlighten us further on this from a brake NVH engineering perspective.

[@5sn6s]

Squeal is a comfort thing, but doesn't affect the brake operation at all. Basically, if a few components in your brake system are tuned in to have the same resonant frequency, they'll squeal. You could try slotting your pads to lower their bending frequency, which might de-tune the system. Or it might tune them in to another of the rotor's resonant modes. Welcome to my life as a brake NVH engineer :rofl:

Grunts and farts are more of a worry :omg:

What pads are you running, and did these grunts and farts happen before you changed them?

tim

No idea what the pads are on it!! THe brakes squeeled when I bought the car and and occasionly groan/grind pretty bad - don't even have to be jumping hard on the brakes to make it happen!!!

you'll have to have a listen on Sat :-D :-D :-D

[ashvolvo]

No idea what the pads are on it!! THe brakes squeeled when I bought the car and and occasionly groan/grind pretty bad - don't even have to be jumping hard on the brakes to make it happen!!!

you'll have to have a listen on Sat :-D :-D :-D

Pads are Bendix DB1169 (I think thats the part number)

[@5sn6s]

Pads are Bendix DB1169 (I think thats the part number)


dude that was scary the way you quoted the page that was on!!!! :lol: :lol:

[The Guv]

For bling effect I would rather have bigger normal discs than smaller slotted discs and I would probably go for bigger solid discs than bigger slotted disks if I had the choice.

Stay tuned for my next useless post where I'll be talking about hamsters!

[The Guv]

dude that was scary the way you quoted the page that was on!!!! :lol: :lol:

The man's a machine Cam, a machine. You should know that by now! :rofl:

[@5sn6s]

For bling effect I would rather have bigger normal discs than smaller slotted discs and I would probably go for bigger solid discs than bigger slotted disks if I had the choice.

Stay tuned for my next useless post where I'll be talking about hamsters!


Ash we've had some effect on Ben - he's progressed from Gerbils!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Slightly OT I know (how unusual for us!!! lol) had a call from Billia re my enquiry at the motor show - the XC70 is now low $70k!!!!

[ashvolvo]

Ash we've had some effect on Ben - he's progressed from Gerbils!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Slightly OT I know (how unusual for us!!! lol) had a call from Billia re my enquiry at the motor show - the XC70 is now low $70k!!!!

$70k - hmm I might just buy two!

[@5sn6s]

$70k - hmm I might just buy two!


Yeah thats what I was thinking - I hate to say it but makes the Honda MDX look pretty bloody good for mid $60k!!!

[barefoot]

Tedium, your point is a valid one, but really only valid if you're using the same pad across your tests. Standard pads only have a specific operating temperature range, and therefore would pass through this range before slotting becomes of any use.
Effectively slots simply have a cheese-grater effect on these types of pad with no real benefit.

These "operating temperature" range (max continuous working temperature etc.) numbers are dreampt up by marketing departments, based on brake dyno test results. They're like PMPO ratings for audio equipment.

You're right, though, that I only have experience in general-purpose road pads. But this includes the "general purpose road pads" that are fitted stock to high-end BMWs, Porsches, AMG Mercs, Z06 Corvettes and the like. Not so much experience with the serious race materials that need to be 400°C before they start to work.

As far as can be measured, all things equal, slots don't make a difference to friction on these types of materials, until they're beyond any reasonable road-going (or even club-level track-going) temperature.

With performance pads; Pagid, Hawk Brake, some EBC variants, etc the buildup of gasses between the disc surface and the pad face becomes an issue, hence the slotting.

If this was mere myth or urban legend we wouldnt see slotting of rotors in any motorsport applications.

Agreed. That's the "serious race" and "glowing rotors" end of the market that I don't claim any knowledge of.

Personally I can atest to the difference made by a combination of decent pads and slotted front rotors in a track application.

Measured as a combined upgrade or independenly?

Material differences will far, far outweigh rotor differences.

Something that may be of note, that you're probably already aware of, with laws stating that asbestos is no longer being used in braking materials, there are bound to be differences.

Asbestos hasn't been used in "serious" materials for many years. Bendix Standard, the asbestos material that owned the Australian aftermarket until the laws changed, has the same friction as cheese at temperatures over about 250°C. Actually, melted cheese might be better due to the viscous effects, but I digress.

Bendix pads purchased in the last 12 - 18 months have a tendancy to squeal on Volvos - this is particularly a problem with rear pads on 240s. Having a braking backgroud, you might be able to enlighten us further on this from a brake NVH engineering perspective.

I assume you're talking Bendix Advance, being the replacement for Standard.

DB2, which fits most Volvo rears, can be had in two part numbers: DB2 and DB2G. The G has a damping gasket on the back, which helps kill some of the noise. It costs a bit more, because the gaskets cost us about 50c each to source and 50c each to put on...which adds up to about $20/set after markup :roll:

We sell plenty more DB2 than DB2G. People either don't care about the noise, or are tight. There's all sorts of sales and marketing issues at play there, and I'm not going to pretend to understand what, if anything, those guys are thinking. No other part I know has the two options: if it needs a gasket, it gets it, and it's costed accordingly.

If people care about noise, they should be running the gasket option. I have DB2G in Ultimate on the back of my 740, and they've been reasonably quiet so far.

Cam's grunting fronts could be a couple of things.

Especially if he's running semi-met material, it could be creep-groan. Most people know that kind of noise though (grunting when you release the brake and creep forward at the lights with an auto box...), and just put up with it.

If he's running Advance, then it's probably graunch. Harsh metallic grinding sound toward the end of a moderate-hard stop, especially if the brakes have been hot and are cooling down.

We've tweaked the material so it's pretty much fixed now, but it was a graunchy bastard of a thing when it was released. I started here just after it was released. Apparently marketing reckoned that nobody had ever complained about graunch before, so the release was to go ahead anyway despite the test guys' warnings. Well, noboy used to complain about graunch, but they soon learnt to complain.

A bandaid fix for graunch, in most cases, is a central slot in the pad. The only problem is that a central slot can tune the pad in with other brake parts and cause a squeal. A better option is to replace the pads with something that doesn't suck. Current generation Advance is much better (squeal less too, and, as a bonus, doesn't cause brake shudder within 5000km like the old stuff sometimes did).

I haven't heard of DB1169s graunching...but I haven't heard any official feedback on DB1169 at all. That's how my job gets prioritised for aftermarket products - whatever gets complained about the most. Considering that Falcadores make up about 70% of our sales volume...obscure old Euro-trash doesn't get much of a run. Except that now I have some obscure old Euro-trash of my own, I can do some more testing out of hours and fix it :-D

[@5sn6s]

Cam's grunting fronts could be a couple of things.

Especially if he's running semi-met material, it could be creep-groan. Most people know that kind of noise though (grunting when you release the brake and creep forward at the lights with an auto box...), and just put up with it.

If he's running Advance, then it's probably graunch. Harsh metallic grinding sound toward the end of a moderate-hard stop, especially if the brakes have been hot and are cooling down.



I've been trying to figure out when it happens so as to see a pattern forming - I'd need to check with Ben but I reckon it only happened once on Sunday in the 4 or 5 hours he was with me! The second one sounds feasable - specially as the tiome it did it on Sun was the end of the run down the mountain.....

[barefoot]

Yeah thats what I was thinking - I hate to say it but makes the Honda MDX look pretty bloody good for mid $60k!!!

You guys are sick.

Yuppietrucks suck arse.

If you want to go off-road, spend $10k on a beat-up old Hilux.
If you need to carry lots of stuff, get a wagon.
If you need to carry more kids than will fit in a wagon, get a van. Or get two wagons. Or a wagon and a buzzbox. Or learn to use contraceptives.

If you think a Honda MDX looks like a good option of anything at all, ever, get yourself a padded cell and a straight jacket.

</rant>

tim

[@5sn6s]

You guys are sick.

Yuppietrucks suck arse.

If you want to go off-road, spend $10k on a beat-up old Hilux.
If you need to carry lots of stuff, get a wagon.
If you need to carry more kids than will fit in a wagon, get a van. Or get two wagons. Or a wagon and a buzzbox. Or learn to use contraceptives.

If you think a Honda MDX looks like a good option of anything at all, ever, get yourself a padded cell and a straight jacket.

</rant>

tim

Those MDX's are really nioce inside with plenty o room - same for the XC90s.

We'll prob end up with an Oddessy though

[The Guv]

Just don't snog in front of the kiddies though, scared the little bugger in the front! :omg:

This brake discussion is very intresting I have to say. If I wanted to hugely increase my stopping power, what would be the best option? Bigger discs etc... and/or pads?

(1989 240GL w/ 16"x7" Galaxy Alloys)

[ashvolvo]

Just don't snog in front of the kiddies though, scared the little bugger in the front! :omg:

This brake discussion is very intresting I have to say. If I wanted to hugely increase my stopping power, what would be the best option? Bigger discs etc... and/or pads?

(1989 240GL w/ 16"x7" Galaxy Alloys)

bigger disc, better caliper and better pads,
assuming we take wheel size out of the equation as a limiting factor.

If you wanted a lot better stopping power without this expensive, or this much effort, better pads could go a fair way to achieving it.

[@5sn6s]

bigger disc, better caliper and better pads,
assuming we take wheel size out of the equation as a limiting factor.

If you wanted a lot better stopping power without this expensive, or this much effort, better pads could go a fair way to achieving it.


Or you could sell ya rims and buy a set of 17s!!! :lol: :lol:

Fully shcick mate!!!

[barefoot]

This brake discussion is very intresting I have to say. If I wanted to hugely increase my stopping power, what would be the best option? Bigger discs etc... and/or pads?


Brake effective radius is God. That is, big rotors. You get better leverage out of the force at your pads, greater surface area to radiate heat, greater disc velocity to get more air across the disc surface to cool, greater thermal mass... The only trade-off is more unsprung mass, which messes with your suspension.

But, how do you want to increase your stopping power? Do you mean better effectiveness, as in, less pedal effort to lock your brakes on the first stop? Less fade, as in, still able to lock your wheels after 20 consecutive threshold stops from 200km/h?

Better pads will help with both.

Typical NAO (non-asbestos organic = market-speak "ceramic" = Advance) pads have a friction coefficient of about 0.35. The aim for mainstream pads is consistency - the same CoF across all pressures, all speeds, all reasonable temperatures.

European materials (= Ultimate) have higher CoF (0.4-0.45...but some go upwards of 0.6!), so you'll get more stop for less pedal force. And they cope better with higher temperatures. You pay in rotor life.

Semi-mets are currently out of vogue, but I think they've got a lot to offer. They're not as stable (so, adjust your braking to suit the circumstances), but they're pretty high in friction (0.4 or so for Metal King/Master - nominally, although it's a bit all over the place under different conditions), and by all accounts, they just keep on working and working when you get them hot.

tim

[@5sn6s]

Ben have u rung love you long time yet???

[The Guv]

Some good advice from both, thanks! I'll have to sit down and analyse my style and see what would be best suited.

I forgot about my lovely lady, I'll have to do it tomorrow. Just been going through 2 x A1 posters full of little course code titles. What a bunch of monkeys that is. The rows are alternating colours so if you add/delete a row you then have to change it all the rest of them so they alternate properly. Fun!

[@5sn6s]

Some good advice from both, thanks! I'll have to sit down and analyse my style and see what would be best suited.

I forgot about my lovely lady, I'll have to do it tomorrow. Just been going through 2 x A1 posters full of little course code titles. What a bunch of monkeys that is. The rows are alternating colours so if you add/delete a row you then have to change it all the rest of them so they alternate properly. Fun!


the joys of being a grapho!!!!

I'm still trying to find out what they got at the Epping yard - less distance to drive home!!

[ashvolvo]

On a similar topic, 850R/V70R cars are available with a bigger front rotor than their lesser performing siblings as an option.

Standard rotor dia is 280mm, however there are 302mm rotor variants around.
They both use the same caliper and pad, however there is a different 'hanger' for the 302mm discs.
16" wheels are then required as a miniumum, with a couple of exceptions - Volvo 850 T5 'Columba' 16" rims will not clear, nor will the 16" slightly different design rims (cant remember name) from an S70/V70 T5.

Braking is greatly improved by a 22mm increase in disc diameter only!!

Tedium, thanks so much for the insight/information.
Regarding our testing with slotted rotors and pads, it was all done in stages (mostly for the sake of my own curiosity)

* stock rotors and pads
* stock rotors and high performance pads
* slotted rotors and stock pads
* slotted rotors and high performance pads

We allowed for reasonable amounts of cooling off - for the sake of not burning hands as much as keeping all things equal.

In keeping with what you mentioned, the combination of stock rotors and decent pads was definately better than slotted rotors and stock type pads.

However, slotted rotors and decent pads were far better.

Winton is ideal to show up any sort of braking queries, as its certainly far more demanding on brakes than Sandown or Calder.

Thanks again,
Ash

[@5sn6s]

On a similar topic, 850R/V70R cars are available with a bigger front rotor than their lesser performing siblings as an option.

Standard rotor dia is 280mm, however there are 302mm rotor variants around.
They both use the same caliper and pad, however there is a different 'hanger' for the 302mm discs.
16" wheels are then required as a miniumum, with a couple of exceptions - Volvo 850 T5 'Columba' 16" rims will not clear, nor will the 16" slightly different design rims (cant remember name) from an S70/V70 T5.

Braking is greatly improved by a 22mm increase in disc diameter only!!

Tedium, thanks so much for the insight/information.
Regarding our testing with slotted rotors and pads, it was all done in stages (mostly for the sake of my own curiosity)

* stock rotors and pads
* stock rotors and high performance pads
* slotted rotors and stock pads
* slotted rotors and high performance pads

We allowed for reasonable amounts of cooling off - for the sake of not burning hands as much as keeping all things equal.

In keeping with what you mentioned, the combination of stock rotors and decent pads was definately better than slotted rotors and stock type pads.

However, slotted rotors and decent pads were far better.

Winton is ideal to show up any sort of braking queries, as its certainly far more demanding on brakes than Sandown or Calder.

Thanks again,
Ash


Just think Ben if the floors rusty enough on the 144 we can break Flintstone style - zero pad wear!!!! :lol:

[@5sn6s]

plastic or aluminium bumpers?


Ash HTH


EDIT// the top one is the 264 I was talking about

[ashvolvo]

Ash HTH


EDIT// the top one is the 264 I was talking about

The 264 has a 242GT front spoiler - very kool.

The white 240 has an '86 onwards grille - lots of little bits and pieces seem quite odd with this one.

[@5sn6s]

The 264 has a 242GT front spoiler - very kool.

The white 240 has an '86 onwards grille - lots of little bits and pieces seem quite odd with this one.


thats not surprising!!!!

Any other photo's that may interest you??? Of either??

[ashvolvo]

thats not surprising!!!!

Any other photo's that may interest you??? Of either??

Side photo of the 264?

[The Guv]

After trying soooooo hard on the way to work to get the end out on the beige brick, I've come to the conclusion that the firehawk SZ50's have amazing traction in the rain. Almost full power from standing and 50kph turns the rears wouldn't break!

Noice baz, noice!

[ashvolvo]

he he.
Hey I've nearly finished your parcel shelf too. will bring it on saturday.
I got stuck doing homework last night, so couldnt finish it off.

[The Guv]

he he.
Hey I've nearly finished your parcel shelf too. will bring it on saturday.
I got stuck doing homework last night, so couldnt finish it off.

Oh brilliant, great stuff. Thanks.

I was going down to my favourite corner and mashed the pedal and what happened? Absolutely nothing. Very disppointing. I had to really put the foot down and yank the wheel around a roundabout to actually get it to slide. And this is on very wet, avaerage roads :omg:

[ashvolvo]

Oh brilliant, great stuff. Thanks.

I was going down to my favourite corner and mashed the pedal and what happened? Absolutely nothing. Very disppointing. I had to really put the foot down and yank the wheel around a roundabout to actually get it to slide. And this is on very wet, avaerage roads :omg:

its those damn wet-weather tyres, I tells ya! :-P

[@5sn6s]

its those damn wet-weather tyres, I tells ya! :-P


Don't stress Ben - once they worn a bit they don't grip AT ALL!!! I spent the whole trip in this AM trying to get traction away from lights etc!!!

Thank god I'm getting new tyres on Fri - some form of goodyears!!

[@5sn6s]

Side photo of the 264?


I THINK I have one - will check tonight

[ashvolvo]

Don't stress Ben - once they worn a bit they don't grip AT ALL!!! I spent the whole trip in this AM trying to get traction away from lights etc!!!

Thank god I'm getting new tyres on Fri - some form of goodyears!!

I'm driving a 2005 BA Falcon wagon at the moment, and spent the drive to work experiencing the same lack of traction. strange.

[@5sn6s]

I'm driving a 2005 BA Falcon wagon at the moment, and spent the drive to work experiencing the same lack of traction. strange.


I used to hate the wet when i had my VS calais - **** load of torque crazy gearing and soft suspension made for an interesting trip!!!

I can recall one time travelling along a straight road i accelerated from about 50 trying to get to bout 75 to pass some one and ended up power sliding up the street!!! scary!!

[ashvolvo]

I used to hate the wet when i had my VS calais - **** load of torque crazy gearing and soft suspension made for an interesting trip!!!

I can recall one time travelling along a straight road i accelerated from about 50 trying to get to bout 75 to pass some one and ended up power sliding up the street!!! scary!!

VS Calais, pug, bmw 5 series - holy crap you've had a few cars cam! Any other noteworthy ones?

[@5sn6s]

VS Calais, pug, bmw 5 series - holy crap you've had a few cars cam! Any other noteworthy ones?


The shame files!!! :lol:

72 RX2 with RX7 twin dizzy motor and 5 speed
69 Mazda 1300 2 door wagon - POS
84 R30 Skyline 2.4i - 5 speed sedan no air no steer - great car!!!
85 Toyota Soarer - started off as a 2.8i twin cam (5MG motor) and 4 sp auto - ended up a 3.0i & 5 sp manual - was like that for less than 2 months before some bitch cleaned me up!! :grrr:
78 Skyline 2.4carby - old and buggered
82 Skyline 2.4i hatch Ti - was buggered
VS Calais - 3.8lt V6 - ex dept of health car had 30k on it when i bought it!!! My Bro in Law still has it and loves it!!
89 Pug 405Mi16 - dead set little rocket - could make anyone love FWD cars (even Logan - maybe!! :lol: ) - met a sad end when it caught fire while I was on a date!!! :rofl:
85 Skyline Ti hatch - was a bit of a lemon - but cost me $1800 so can't complain
89 535i Manual pauper pack - no leather no sunroof or cc but handled SO well and went pretty hard!!
82 Mazda RX7 Sii - was gonna do it up but got disenchanted with dealing with ****wits!!!
87 740t - the current ride!!

And as for the future - anything is possible!!! I haven't included the cars we have bought for Trace in the last 2 years (Eunos 800m and VT wagon)

[barefoot]

Jebus, you've had some decent cars.

Our next door neighbour left an unregistered R30 Skyline 2.4 on the nature strip when they moved out about 6 weeks ago. I asked the owner/landlord/mum what was happening with it (hoping to get a freebie :rofl: ), and she said they were coming back with a trailer - it needs a new clutch. That was about 3 weeks ago, and it's still there. I might just break in and roll it down my driveway...but it would be better if I could get the keys.

Then I can sell it to Cam for an unreasonable mark-up...he seems to be into those things!

Anyway, my shame file:

1980 Suzuki LJ80 (800cc 4wd tractor thing) - swapped for a slab, with a blown motor, never got around to fixing it
1974 Datsun 120Y - bought for $250 with a half-done head job, sold 20,000km later for $1k :rofl:
1982 Subaru 4WD - stolen and almost written off...so I went 4wding before the assessor saw it
1980 Toyota RT132 Corona - bought in Perth, drove home to Sydney, moved to Melbourne, thrashed all over the East Coast...
1989 Lada Niva - say no more
1986 Daihatsu F85 Rocky
1989 Mitsubishi TP Magna wagon on LPG. A cheap car. In so many ways.
1990 Daihatsu Charade - bought with blown motor for 1600 transplant; cleaned up by a truck weeks later
1989 Charade - eventually received 1600 organ transplant from the '90 wreck; sold last week
1986 Subaru Touring Wagon - the Mrs' tractor, 210,000km and going strong
1989 740 Turbo Wagon

I'm not taking any responsibility for the XT130 Corona my wife had when we met...

tim

[@5sn6s]

Jebus, you've had some decent cars.

Our next door neighbour left an unregistered R30 Skyline 2.4 on the nature strip when they moved out about 6 weeks ago. I asked the owner/landlord/mum what was happening with it (hoping to get a freebie :rofl: ), and she said they were coming back with a trailer - it needs a new clutch. That was about 3 weeks ago, and it's still there. I might just break in and roll it down my driveway...but it would be better if I could get the keys.

Then I can sell it to Cam for an unreasonable mark-up...he seems to be into those things!

tim


Unfortunately the 1st one I had was a dead set belter -and the others not a patch on it!! That thing was stock (all 95kw of it !!) but could break traction all day long and give a nioce anti social chirp on 1-2 and even (if I was being a REAL hoon!!) 2-3 changes!!

Would love to get one of those with an FJ20 turbo!!!! :badboy: :badboy:

[ashvolvo]

Tedium, you've certainly had some 'questionable' cars.

My list is much shorter (excluding company cars)

(in order)
* 1972 LJ Holden Torana - sold
*1979 Volvo 245. B21E, auto - written off. Hit Head on by a Nissan Pathfinder that didnt give way. broken sternum. I'd be dead if I'd been in another car.
* 1987 Ford Meteor. Best car I've ever owned. - sold to a mate.
* 1979 Volvo 245. B21E M45. Used this when I started doing club events. worn out - carcass removed.
* 1990 Volvo 240 sedan. B230F M47. - current. not much original left.
* 1995 Volvo 850 T5 wagon. Auto. - current. fast grocery getter.

[@5sn6s]

Tedium, you've certainly had some 'questionable' cars.

My list is much shorter (excluding company cars)

(in order)
* 1972 LJ Holden Torana - sold
*1979 Volvo 245. B21E, auto - written off. Hit Head on by a Nissan Pathfinder that didnt give way. broken sternum. I'd be dead if I'd been in another car.
* 1987 Ford Meteor. Best car I've ever owned. - sold to a mate.
* 1979 Volvo 245. B21E M45. Used this when I started doing club events. worn out - carcass removed.
* 1990 Volvo 240 sedan. B230F M47. - current. not much original left.
* 1995 Volvo 850 T5 wagon. Auto. - current. fast grocery getter.


Hey ash wat kinda laptop would we need for the Haltech???

I've been offered a Toshiba Tecra 8000 6GD for $200 and thought it may be handy!!

[ashvolvo]

Hey ash wat kinda laptop would we need for the Haltech???

I've been offered a Toshiba Tecra 8000 6GD for $200 and thought it may be handy!!

I have a Toshiba Tecra S1 with 1.7 ghz centrino processor, 1gb ram, 60gb hard disk, dvd burner, etc - that should do! :-P
Although I am getting a new S2 in the next month or so.

Bascially as long as it has a serial (not usb) port I think its ok.

[@5sn6s]

I have a Toshiba Tecra S1 with 1.7 gb centrino processor, 1gb ram, 60gb hard disk, dvd burner, etc - that should do! :-P
Although I am getting a new S2 in the next month or so.

Bascially as long as it has a serial (not usb) port I think its ok.


Theres a 8200 Celeron P3 256MB 20G DVD and 56k modem that i can get new for just under $900 so i dunno if the other one is worth it!!

[ashvolvo]

Theres a 8200 Celeron P3 256MB 20G DVD and 56k modem that i can get new for just under $900 so i dunno if the other one is worth it!!

If you like I can bring the laptop with me on the weekend, and put on the photos on cd and burn copies for everyone on the spot?

[@5sn6s]

If you like I can bring the laptop with me on the weekend, and put on the photos on cd and burn copies for everyone on the spot?


Sounds like a brilliant idea!!! then we can all rush home and put up 5 different threads on the vic mini meet!!! lol

[ashvolvo]

he he. might be an idea to keep it to one this time.

[@5sn6s]

he he. might be an idea to keep it to one this time.


maybe!!! I swear they were both up and in within a minute of each other!!!

[The Guv]

Sounds like a brilliant idea!!! then we can all rush home and put up 5 different threads on the vic mini meet!!! lol

Hey, it's the new tradition!

I've just found that the 240 in the wet has three stages of traction (10 being no grip with my driving :lol:):

1 to 8: Grip
9: Slight shake from the rear
10: Hello boys!

Strangely enough, it goes from shake to 2/3 lock in an instant :omg: Didn't you mention this to me Ash? ;-)

[@5sn6s]

Hey, it's the new tradition!

I've just found that the 240 in the wet has three stages of traction (10 being no grip with my driving :lol:):

1 to 8: Grip
9: Slight shake from the rear
10: Hello boys!

Strangely enough, it goes from shake to 2/3 lock in an instant :omg: Didn't you mention this to me Ash? ;-)


Let go fairly quickly did it??/

What we gonna do bout Rose Hancocks car????

[The Guv]

Let go fairly quickly did it??/

What we gonna do bout Rose Hancocks car????

Umm, yep. Amusing when you expect, not so much when you don't!

Ooops, I forgot about that again! On the flip side, I've been working on a car photographers website with bling and substance which should exonerate me. I hope. Fark. OK, how about we drop in in person Sat and wave a couple of bills in front of her face promising to take it that day or Sunday?

[@5sn6s]

Umm, yep. Amusing when you expect, not so much when you don't!

Ooops, I forgot about that again! On the flip side, I've been working on a car photographers website with bling and substance which should exonerate me. I hope. Fark. OK, how about we drop in in person Sat and wave a couple of bills in front of her face promising to take it that day or Sunday?


Shouldn't we ring her 1st???

[The Guv]

Shouldn't we ring her 1st???

Where's the fun in that?! :lol:

[@5sn6s]

Where's the fun in that?! :lol:


great - you can do the talking!!! lol

[@5sn6s]

Side photo of the 264?


Not side - but here are some more photo's of the 264 - and a side of the 240!!! :lol:

[@5sn6s]

Heres some interior shots of the 240 we looking at - may cost us $200

[ashvolvo]

Hey, it's the new tradition!

I've just found that the 240 in the wet has three stages of traction (10 being no grip with my driving :lol:):

1 to 8: Grip
9: Slight shake from the rear
10: Hello boys!

Strangely enough, it goes from shake to 2/3 lock in an instant :omg: Didn't you mention this to me Ash? ;-)

I did indeed, Its become quite a snappy little monster hasnt it?
It does hang it there at 'silly speed' cornering before it snaps and gives up.
With more power you can throttle-steer it, wriggle your toes and have the slide perfectly controllable.

Perhaps you should do an advanced driving course soon Mr Winkler?
You'll have SO much fun!

[ashvolvo]

264 looks clean.
240 looks dodgy. offer her $100. perhaps $150 at the very most, is she says no, walk away.

[@5sn6s]

264 looks clean.
240 looks dodgy. offer her $100. perhaps $150 at the very most, is she says no, walk away.


Yeah pretty sure thats what Ben is thinking as well - I'm thinking bout taking $400 with me Sat and seeing if the picka part guys wanna play ball

[ashvolvo]

Yeah pretty sure thats what Ben is thinking as well - I'm thinking bout taking $400 with me Sat and seeing if the picka part guys wanna play ball

might be an idea. I'll bring some $$ with me in the case there might be something worth purchasing.

[@5sn6s]

might be an idea. I'll bring some $$ with me in the case there might be something worth purchasing.


Don't forget some tools as well!!

[ashvolvo]

I have a small toolbox in the car, I'll just bring a small socket set too.
If theres anything you're thinking of grabbing that might require bigger tools, let me know and I'll bring them.

[ashvolvo]

Don't forget some tools as well!!

No need. You and Ben will already be there! :rofl:

[@5sn6s]

No need. You and Ben will already be there! :rofl:


Ben I think we may need to squash him!!! :-D

[ashvolvo]

Seriously though, anything you have in mind that you'd like to grab - let me know and I'll bring what I can to remove it.

I will be at the folks place tonight, so am contactable all everning.
Got to get an assignment done and finish Ben's parcel shelf.

[@5sn6s]

Seriously though, anything you have in mind that you'd like to grab - let me know and I'll bring what I can to remove it.

I will be at the folks place tonight, so am contactable all everning.
Got to get an assignment done and finish Ben's parcel shelf.


um - i'll pm ya!!!

[The Guv]

At this stage the only things to grab I think would be the firewall to tower braces

[@5sn6s]

^^^ what he said!! :-D

[ashvolvo]

semi on-topic,
Ben & Cam - you're both now famous!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/ashdavies/dvs

Perhaps not famous, but your cars are on the main page of the DVS website.

[@5sn6s]

Hey thats pretty on topic for us!!! lol


:cheers: :rockon: