Supra 5spd Conversion for Redblocks [Archive]

haltechsupra

09-29-2004, 01:13 AM

The supra tranny has no problem taking abuse from a motor produceing in upwards of 700ft pound of torque. Orin Bivens is currently running one in his 1992 turbo supra and it just made 3 ten seconds passes in a mk3 supra that weighs 3500 pounds. He says he uses 30 weight oil in it to help it last. I have had three mk3 supras, never had any problems with the w58. Ive personally run 20/24 psi out of them and the tranny holds wonderfully with upgraded turbo and haltech and a ton of other mods.
American power and Brake(napa) in Irving Texas makes clutches/pressure plate, that hold 600 foot pound of torque for these trannies for $250-ask for "mudflap" .They also made some hi po clutches for Jason Goodley and i when we ran the 244ti with haltechs and major boost on the m46's for the same price-but the trannys wouldnt ever hold up.Call info for the phone number.They major in heavy industry clutches for semis but dont mind building hi po street car clutches for very inexpensive and very high quality.

Kris Weldy

Tenacious Todd

09-29-2004, 12:35 PM

Haltech what would be a good tranny from the supras W58 or?My goal hp is about 350HP car 242 TI. And what years can I find them out of?Thanks Todd

haltechsupra

09-30-2004, 01:28 AM

Any supra tranny from 1987-1991 with a 5 speed is a great bargain. They dont shift near as smooth as a m46- but with a little getting used to and about 50 times of missing third gear youll get the hang of it, or you can make a shift gate for the shifter so it wont ever get missed. W55, w58, all are good and worthy of minimal 600foot pound of torque.In my honest experience.

Kris Weldy

Thinking of putting a w58 behind a 302 v8 ford motor -with turbo and haltech-in 242, its either that or the supra motor(which i already have, but i want some serious head turning power-enough to stand the wheels up for about half a quarter mile, and ive seen junkyard turbo 302 do it in lx fox bodies).

Chad242ti

09-30-2004, 03:31 AM

The Mk3 Supra Turbo does not have a W58, they came with the R154 stock...

My friend and I found this out when we were trying to swap a 7MGTE with trans from Mk3 into an Mk2, and could not use the tranny as it would not fit into the tunnel without modification of the tunnel... Also the shifter location was different as well...

Most of the normally aspirated Mk3 Supra's did use the W58, but the Turbo from my experience is equipped with the R154...

This is a quote from CelicaSupra.com... It's on swapping old w58's to newer ones...
R154 from a 87-92 MK3 Turbo
It's been done, but no specific details on what needs to be done. Some modifications of the transmission tunnel may be required (the bell housing is longer on the R154) and the shifter will be located about 2" back from the stock MK2.
Dimensionally, they are slightly different.

I just don't want us to mislead anyone into believing that the Mk3 Supra Turbo has the W58. Most of Toyota's models that could be equipped with the W58 as a trans had a data plate under the hood that specifically states which one they had... That is how I located my W58 in an 89 Supra non-turbo...

I don't doubt that a W58 can take a lot of abuse...

Chad

haltechsupra

09-30-2004, 02:12 PM

You are correct, i have one r154 and one w58 out of a 1989 na supra, we did a turbo swap on the car with upgraded clutch and ran a bit of boost out of it with an npr intercooler and it shifted smoother than my r154. The r154 came in my 1989 turbo supra. Thanks for the clarification Chad, i didnt even think about the difference in the R154 and w58.The clutch is setup a little different too.The w58 in Texas is easier to come by in local salvage yards.
BTW niether of my trannies are for sale-sorry, im using them.

Kris Weldy

Tenacious Todd

09-30-2004, 11:14 PM

Thanks for the info..

Hoggster

10-01-2004, 12:23 PM

Around how much does the conversion kit cost?

940 T.U.R.B.O

10-01-2004, 10:30 PM

Around how much does the conversion kit cost?

hey everyone, glad to see I'm not the only one who still thinks of this swap.

To answer your question the conversion kit is a pretty penny. Last time i check(and by checked I mean actually calling Dellow up on the phone) the kit runs somewhere to the tune of $550 dollars, not including shipping. and thats still not factoring in the modifications to the tranny, or making custom crossmembers, etc.

What I am figuring out though, and maybe Kris or any other ol' school Toyota buff can help, is maybe John Parker at Vintage Performance is who we should be talking to. V-Performance previously made adapter plates to put early model Celica trannies behind B18's and B20's. If the little bit of research I've done is correct, the early Celica and N/A Mk3 Supra W58 trannies are very similiar in dimension. If this is the case then we might have a state side alternative right under our noses. Anyone feel free to check this for me, as where I've been in school and have had to time/money to send them a guinea pig bellhousing to try at an adapter plate. But in any event, After seeing the T5 swap pics/result, I'd say there a good choice to try and get one cut up anyway.

Mike (as usual)

P.S. Kris I got your PM, just this chemistry is kick my @$$, I'll give you a call about the "Hal" pretty soon though. thanks

96DTM850

10-02-2004, 08:00 PM

haltechsupra

10-04-2004, 03:07 PM

I have both trannies one in car and other in my garage-the R154 in my supra and the w58 in my garage. Both have the same 600ft pound torque brass clutch and flywheel upgrades. The w58 is shorter (maybe an inch or so)and has a sensor directly on top of the trany that the r154 does not. The r154 is a bit larger in diameter right before the shifter. Both trannies have hydraulic clutches but both setups are different, it appears that the w58 pushes from the front and the r154 pushes from the back-both having different slave cylinders. The r154 has a cylinder type slave (two bolts)cylinder and the w58 has a four bolt slave cylinder . So there are a few subdle differences.
Ive run both and in my own experience the w58 shifts smoother and crisper. I ran 15psi out of the w58 on a upgraded 50 trim to4e turbo for about a year- no tranny problems, while ive run 20psi on the r154 for years with the same turbo and haltech with no problems. I just now upgraded to a 57 trim to4e and clipped the exhaust wheel 13 degrees, hoping for 600hp at around 25/28 psi, stock bottom end, arp head studs, bla bla.I have built numerous supras with autos and standards-the standards rock hard!I have never had to replace a standard tranny on a supra-for a customer or otherwise, i have had to swap many autos for standards due to slipping at about 13psi on a stock turbo supra setup.BTW 13psi on a supra is good for 9.0- 9.1 in the 1/8th with a stock turbo, and everything else.I ran a 9.1 with mine stock except timing and head was shaved. This was year before last at kennedale, should be on www.supraforums.com somewhere.

These trannies dont play around, considering they are mated on the back of a 24 valve 3.0 litre in line six that makes 245ft-230hp at stock 5-7psi of boost on a turbo the same size as a xr4ti turbo (stock) in a car that weighs 3500 at the lightest, 4000 at the heaviest.The na cars are rated at 215 ft pound IIRC.Do an upgrade on the turbo and intercooler and they really start eating the asphault.Then you have to upgrade the clutch.
I plan on running the w58 in my 242-either mated to a supra motor or mated to a turbo 302 v8 .
Let me know what other questions you have, and ill try to answer them.

Kris Weldy

940 T.U.R.B.O

10-05-2004, 02:48 AM

Kris can you confirm what I said about the late model RWD Celica trannys and Mk3 turbo or N/A trannies?

Mike (as usual)

Hoggster

10-05-2004, 05:07 PM

Wow. Thats a helluva a price tag. I could break a dozen M46s for that kind of money. I hope the V-perf source can work something out because as much as I'd like to do this mod, the cost is prohibitive. Looks like at least a grand, maybe $1500+ if you can't get a gearbox on the cheap.

How moddable are these gearboxes? Are aftermarket gear sets or shift setups avaliable?

haltechsupra

10-05-2004, 11:20 PM

They *may* be the same but i couldnt say for sure, after all the older celicas were "supra Celicas" so i dont see why they wouldnt be w58 trannies. The bellhousing on both trannies looks to have the identical bolt pattern-so if your guy can make the bellhousing adapter-it would fit both the r154 and the w58. As far as buying a few m46's for that price-maybe-but who wants to stick them in and out of your car for free? Id suggest spending the same money that youd normaly spend on 2 m-46's and labor and do the swap.Heres some info and specs on both on the online Toyota supra owners manual (TSRM)
Toyota r154 and w58 (http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/mt/MT_01.html)

Enjoy!

Kris WEldy
Arlington Texas

Matthieu

10-09-2004, 10:12 PM

ashvolvo

10-10-2004, 03:55 AM

Hmmm...I use to own a MK3 BPU....it has the R154 tranny...
the W58 is off a N/A...heard they were crap....
I know a guy that has a R154 tranny for $200....I can ask him if he still has it, if anyone is interested....LMK

Sorry to go OT, but I have to correct your signature.
The 850 racecar isnt a DTM car.
It's actually an ex-btcc super touring car, and in the photos in your sig, was running in the Australian Super Touring championship at the hands of Peter Brock (almost a god in Australian motorsport) and was later driven by Jim Richards (also a VERY talented driver).

Anyway, your sig aside, could you post up somewhere some more info on your 850?
It looks quite neat

Cheers,
Ash

940 T.U.R.B.O

10-10-2004, 06:34 PM

I was wondering if the shifter location is about the same as an the volvo gear boxes. and how would the stock supra gear box shift er location align in a 740. I was thinking maybe my friend could fabricate something with a unit from the junk yard.
thanks
Matt

On the 200 series cars the shifter location is pretty close, not quite but workable. However, On the 7/9 series cars the shifter is of, way off, about 3-4 1/2 inches IIRC. modification to lengthen it (it = shifter housing and linkage) would be neccessary to pull it off. thats ofcourse with the Dellow kit. If you had some one mock up an adapter plate the measurements might be different but probably not much more/less than that. But the modifications have been done though.

Mike (as usual)

haltechsupra

10-13-2004, 01:01 AM

W58 did come in the mk2 supras- and in supra celicas mk1 . JUst wanted to clarify that after digging around in the supra community.

Kris Weldy
http://home.comcast.net/~volvo4life/Index.html

HRPufNStuf

10-16-2004, 07:17 AM

I can confirm the power handleing of the W58. I have been running one in my 82 Jaguar XJS V12 for ther last 5 years. The car weighs over 4000lbs and has 300HP/300ft'lb of torque. Only mod I did as recommended by lots of W58 users out there was to change out the input bearing for a "maxi" bearing. basically a HD bearing that uses twice the number of ball bearings as the standard W58 bearing which more evenly distributes side loads.
I made my decision to go W58 after speaking to a guy in Calgary, who was running 450HP through a heavily modified Supra with his stock W58.
W58 has a nice compact case that fits in most tunnels and is pretty cheap and avalable. I bought my W58 from a wrecker for $125CDN and other than the input bearing, it is stock and has held up nicely to abuse.
I used a clutch disk from a Toyota commercial truck and a hi performance pressure plate from a Australian HSV. Dellow and Ron Moore are pretty good to deal with.

UOTE=haltechsupra]The supra tranny has no problem taking abuse from a motor produceing in upwards of 700ft pound of torque. Orin Bivens is currently running one in his 1992 turbo supra and it just made 3 ten seconds passes in a mk3 supra that weighs 3500 pounds. He says he uses 30 weight oil in it to help it last. I have had three mk3 supras, never had any problems with the w58. Ive personally run 20/24 psi out of them and the tranny holds wonderfully with upgraded turbo and haltech and a ton of other mods.
American power and Brake(napa) in Irving Texas makes clutches/pressure plate, that hold 600 foot pound of torque for these trannies for $250-ask for "mudflap" .They also made some hi po clutches for Jason Goodley and i when we ran the 244ti with haltechs and major boost on the m46's for the same price-but the trannys wouldnt ever hold up.Call info for the phone number.They major in heavy industry clutches for semis but dont mind building hi po street car clutches for very inexpensive and very high quality.

Kris Weldy[/QUOTE]

Matt Dupuis

10-22-2004, 03:38 PM

a guy in Calgary
Reg Reimer - has worked on the Toyota Formula One team, competed in One Lap events, etc. Good guy.

haltechsupra

10-23-2004, 01:52 AM

REg was also the guy on supraforums and sw supras to come up with the lexus v8 maf swap on the supras(useing the stock mk3 electronics)-coupled with 550 cc injectors and a custom air screw for the maf-smart guy! This is what gave me the supra injector idea on the volvo with a pot.

Kris Weldy
Updated page
http://home.comcast.net/~volvo4life/Index.html

HRPufNStuf

10-23-2004, 01:13 PM

Yup,
Reg was the guy all right but I didn't know if any of you knew him. Reg and I exchanged quite few emails while I was researching my swap. He has quite the website if any of you would like to see what can be done to a Mk II supra....check it out. I am pretty sure the link is through supranet
He sent me several files showing dimensional drawings of R154s and W58s. I gave him a few part numbers that I had picked up for uprated W58 input and output bearing kits from Australia.
I almost bought a spare W58 off of him but he ended up needing it himself and I found a low mileage one at my local wrecker for just over a $100CDN.

REg was also the guy on supraforums and sw supras to come up with the lexus v8 maf swap on the supras(useing the stock mk3 electronics)-coupled with 550 cc injectors and a custom air screw for the maf-smart guy! This is what gave me the supra injector idea on the volvo with a pot.

Kris Weldy
Updated page
http://home.comcast.net/~volvo4life/Index.html

Matt Dupuis

11-21-2004, 12:02 PM

Last time i check(and by checked I mean actually calling Dellow up on the phone) the kit runs somewhere to the tune of $550 dollars, not including shipping.
They're not too good with answering emails, are they? I was going to try once more and then I'd phone, but since you have I'll ask you: Was that $550 AUD or USD? Either or, it's not bad, considering I could get 3 or 4 W58s today from the JY if I wanted, plus the one I have in my back yard, and I've never seen a V-8 T5 in my JY.

Does the Dellow kit require that stinkin' heavy dished flywheel, or could we do something about the 8.5"? That would save on the immediate cost, but would require a special clutch disk and some machining. Basically all I'd need from Oz is a bellhousing and speedometer cable, so long as they make the BH work with the Volvo clutch fork. Everything else could be sourced locally...

Anyway, if the W58 will handle a Turbo V-8 and Dellow makes bellhousings for the 302 Ford, maybe my AOD-E hybrid plans will get dustbinned.

If John Parker can make adapters for the M46 bellhousing, it would be an interesting option for Redblocks, but the last time I had a look at it (2-3 years ago?) the input shaft on the W58 was substantially shorter than the M46. Since it would need support by the crankshaft, the transmission must get close enough to the engine so that a bushing could be insterted into the crankshaft pilot that's not so deep as to mess around with the clutch plate, so I really doubt a piece of 1/2" or 3/4" aluminum between the bellhousing and transmission will be possible. That spacer would also mess up the shifter position in 240s.

gsellstr

11-21-2004, 07:32 PM

For those who may be interested, I have a 140 and did the Dellow Celica/b20 conversion. Price was around $450-500 after shipping (Prices on Dellow's page at the time were actually in Aussie figures). The celica trans they use is the W50 which is a cast-iron case also referred to as a steel case. These are supposedly EASY to come by there, but are getting harder to find here, although they are rumored to be used in SOME of the pickups as well with a different shift tower. The shift quality is MUCH better than a decent M41 and similar to a well-shifting M46 but with a shorter throw. The conversion did have it's serious issues though. The casting for the bellhousing wasn't quite correct and required nearly 1/8" to be ground off on the bottom for flywheel clearance (found out after it wouldn't turn over after the complete install). They also use a conversion pilot bushing that a) didn't fit without modification and b) wore out after 5k. There isn't a bearing available to go from the input shaft diameter to the crank diameter so I ended up getting a sleeve made by a friend, pressed that into a bearing with the right OD and all SEEMS to be well after 25k but I haven't had it out yet to verify things are working properly. Also the speedo cable was for a RHD version even though I specified I had a LHD model. E-mails weren't responded to so all issues were dealt with over serious long-distance calls. Other than that, and the usual cross-member designing, all went decent and with a good tranny, it's still running great.

940 T.U.R.B.O

11-22-2004, 01:16 PM

They're not too good with answering emails, are they? I was going to try once more and then I'd phone, but since you have I'll ask you: Was that $550 AUD or USD? Either or, it's not bad, considering I could get 3 or 4 W58s today from the JY if I wanted, plus the one I have in my back yard, and I've never seen a V-8 T5 in my JY.
.

It was $550 US

Matt Dupuis

11-25-2004, 05:39 PM

I finally got an email back from Dellow the other day - let's see if I can remember prices:

Bellhousing = $385
Clutch Plate = $115
Speedo Cable = $95
Pilot Bushing = $25

All in AUD. He figured about $195 shipping, which seems very high as I think it cost $185 to ship a 25 kg FEDEX box from there when I did the Techedge group buy.

Obviously there's still the matter of securing a servicable transmission, fabricating a crossmember and driveshaft, and I'm not sure what flywheel that clutch plate fits (I suspect a 9" stepped). However, in light of the claims in torque capacity, availability, price, and ratios of the W58, I think this is still a highly desirable alternative to the current T5 trend.

gsellstr

11-26-2004, 01:58 AM

Personally, I wouldn't get the pilot bushing or speedo cable from him as they should be able to be sourced locally and of similar or better quality than what was sent with my kit. My speedo cable ran $35 from a local well-known shop, and the pilot bushing was of poor quality and it didn't fit without modification, plus only lasted 5k vs. the long life of the standard volvo pilot bearing or other bearings used in that application. Sacramento has several EXCELLENT shops that could help you if there isn't anything else in your area. As far as the transmission itself goes, every single JY around here (Toyota recyclers, independant shops, etc.) has several of the W58's laying around for around $150-200. The older trans I've got is great and the Supra box is supposed to be smoother than mine.

12-05-2004, 06:34 PM

I did the Dellow convert in 1999. I would just get the bellhousing only from them. I did not use the clutch disc or speedo cable. I did mod the pilot bushin but I now I would just sleve the Volvo one to match the W58 input shaft. The only problem that I had with the casting was the the slave cyl did not fit and I did not find this out until I had the tranny in the car. Must check the fit of everything before putting it in the car. I used the Volvo crossmember but I modified the a piece of angle iron welding the top portion of the W58 mount to is and drilling hole to mount the Volvo trans mount to the other leg. It worked out just fine. Any driveshaft place can fix you up with the W58 yoke on the Volvo drive shaft. The stick position for the 740 was the toughest. I really like the W58 in the Volvo. So time, soon I hope, I will get it into the 940. Still need a 2.4 flywheel and must mod the bell so it will fit.

Jacko

12-07-2004, 08:37 AM

I agree with using the volvo cross member and modifying it. Though I swapped the Supra motor and transmission (7MGTE, R154) into my 760T a few years back, I used the Volvo crossmember and hydrolic clutch set-up.

Aussie Volvo

12-09-2004, 03:29 AM

Matt Dupuis

12-09-2004, 09:59 AM

I wonder why it was so high? I have a written quote containing the prices I listed above, but no mention was made about the fork or bearing so I assumed that this was something I'd figure out when I got the bellhousing. Also the clutch WAS listed, so I wonder why he told you that you'd have to figure that one out yourself?

'89... Would that have LH 2.4 or something with a flywheel that wouldn't fit in that bellhousing? Has the Australian 700 series got a cable or hydraulic clutch? I wonder if that's the reasoning behind our different prices?
I'm looking at it from the POV of needing something stronger than the M46/M47: I can either get a T5 adapter and get the bellhousing modified for $400, and spend $600 on a T5 that needs a rebuild, or I can get the Dellow bellhousing for $500 after shipping and spend $75 on a Supra trans that needs a rebuild. I'm not going Getrag, so that rules that option out.

gsellstr

12-09-2004, 11:49 AM

Just keep in mind that the prices shown were in Aussie dollars, not US or Canadian. I was quoted $750 for mine and it ended up around $500 or so for the whole package (bh, clutch disk, speedo cable, pilot bushing, trans mose cone/cover for release bearing). The B20 setup used the stock cable clutch fork or the stock hydro unit, depending on which kit you ordered, and there was no modifying required of the release bearing.

12-10-2004, 11:02 AM

I used the 1987 Supra clutch disc for my swap. I used the stock 2.2 flywheel and PP. The Supra disc I believe is 9.5 inchs and I took .25 off if it and in just fit in the flywheel. So the disc should not be a problem. At the time, I believe it was about U$36 from Autozone.

Julian265

12-15-2004, 07:42 AM

Aussie Volvo, they probably meant $590 not 950... Anthony Hyde's site says the kit is (or was) AU$595 + shipping.

For everyone else who hasn't enquired and is just curious, the supra tranny section of Anthony Hyde's site is at:
http://wwwrsphysse.anu.edu.au/~amh110/supra_in_volvo.htm

The rest of that site has some great info also.

Those Dellow guys really don't seem too professional eh?! Late email replies, possible typos, mishapen components.... But they do have a new website:
http://www.dellowauto.com.au/

jp

Hi

I was looking at doing a Supra 5 speed conversion in my 89 740ti

I rang dellow
I got quoted Aus $950 this is for the kit only
Bellhousing
Through out fork & bearing

I was told I would have to sort out my own clutch kit

I decided I would use the M47 conversion insteed. AUS$950 is a bit to much $$$ for those Items

George

ashvolvo

12-17-2004, 12:10 AM

Hi

I was looking at doing a Supra 5 speed conversion in my 89 740ti

I rang dellow
I got quoted Aus $950 this is for the kit only
Bellhousing
Through out fork & bearing

I was told I would have to sort out my own clutch kit

I decided I would use the M47 conversion insteed. AUS$950 is a bit to much $$$ for those Items

George

George, if its anything like converting from auto to manual in a 240, it shouldnt be a difficult one.
The M47 is said to be a weaker transmission than the M45 or M46.
However, it is also significantly lighter. From personal experience, we converted my 1990 240 to an M47 box and it often sees changes at well over 6000rpms and I certainly have no complaints at all with it.
Cheers,
Ash

AJS

12-17-2004, 11:28 AM

Those Dellow guys really don't seem too professional eh?! Late email replies, possible typos, mishapen components.... But they do have a new website:
http://www.dellowauto.com.au/

jp

Most if not all AU companies I have delt with are have very poor customer service/response in regards to web pages/email. They just have no interest or don't care. Even our ISP's Etc are the same (working in the industry it amazes me how many tech focused companies will not respond to email). My experience and that of friends is that you can often get a quote and delivery from the US quicker than an emailed response from an AU supplier. Maybe this is OT but I see it more as a "warning" of what to expect when trying to direct purchase goods from over here.

AJS

Matt Dupuis

12-17-2004, 01:41 PM

You buggers are just too laid back, is all. Some really good **** comes outa Oz, but most of the time you've got to wait for it. The shining exception to this rule is the Techedge group buy I organized - I got great response and even some AFTER the sale was completed, plus shipping was super fast.

I'll be ordering a couple bellhousings here after xmas, so I'll keep ya all posted.

coldfusion21

12-25-2004, 10:41 PM

might i ask a somewhat off topic questions matt? Why no getrag? this option seems just as reasonable as the supra thing, altho that might be a location thing...

also whats with the 400 dollars for a bellhousing mod? im not sure i understand...

just somethings im curious about.

Jared

245gti

12-26-2004, 08:02 PM

I can reply for Matt, at least partially.... While there are a few Getrags around, they are not as common as the W58 and they are hideously expensive to rebuild. There are many more Supra trannies available (not to mention we have one already), some of which are relatively low mileage.... If one is toast, it's another $75 (or $50 on tranny special day) to get another. We can go through a bunch of Supra trannies for the cost of a rebuild on a Getrag. I'm sure Matt will chime in with other reasons but that's the most obvious one right now....

Matt Dupuis

12-27-2004, 11:17 AM

Furthermore, and this is fairly important to get right though I'm only quoting hearsay, BMW guys HATE the Getrags. Apparently the synchros are horribly weak and they wear out quite quickly when shifted too aggressively. They can take the power, but they're not resiliant to driver abuse. Plus Dale's right - when one lands in the yard, there are a couple of guys swarming under it immediately, while most Supras go to the crusher with their trans still inside.

A Getrag isn't a bolt-on swap either, and for the above reasons I haven't investigated it further.

The $400 covered the adapter and modification to fit the T5 to the back of the M46 bellhousing, from what I remembered of my conversation with John over a year ago. I seemed to remember it was somewhere in that neighborhood, though it could have been a bunch less and I could remember that number as US converted to CDN. Even if it was, it's immaterial 'cause T5s are $500-600 CDN in these parts, and they're not strong enough nor are their ratios good enough to warrant that $$$, in my opinion.

Edit - and don't get any ideas - the Supra box isn't that easy to get free of the Toyota environment, so I ain't interested in pulling a bunch for other people. I ain't freezin' my heiny off to save you a few dollars.

cg42387

03-16-2005, 01:11 AM

My older brother (Hal Glenn) did a conversion to a W58 in my 91 940T before it became my everyday car. He had gotten that same bell housing from Dellow and he also had to lengthen the shifter linkage a couple of inches to reach back to the inside. You can see the link to all his pictures of the bell housing and installation of the transmission on my website in the intro paragraph =)

BoxDriver2

04-07-2005, 04:21 AM