WTF? are you guys running this forum lazy or just f.ng stu

[Steve C]

So many times, answers to comonly asked Qs HAVE BEEN CLEARLY ANSWERED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED THE TIME TO HELP OTHERS!

You stupi..d f..dks Are you just to fnn lazy to realy care?

E.G. Valve job. J.S. wrote an exellent article with pictures for brickboard. A T-Brick member posted the info on this board, and do you ffs hang on to it and make it available to newbies??


I dare you to leave this post on the board!

[boostdemon]

welp, i'll take that challenge. i'll even make it an announcement, and leave it in the performance board,... and politely respond publicly to your obnoxious remarks directed at me. With all do respect, I have invested more time in this site/board then anyone in the past... all to help others.

So many times, answers to commonly asked Qs HAVE BEEN CLEARLY ANSWERED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED THE TIME TO HELP OTHERS!

You stupi..d f..dks Are you just to fnn lazy to realy care?

E.G. Valve job. J.S. wrote an exellent article with pictures for brickboard. A T-Brick member posted the info on this board, and do you ffs hang on to it and make it available to newbies??

Very true, this board is notorious for having some extremely in-depth topics where amazing amounts on information is debated and documented. I applaud all of you who have over the years shared your valuable time and research with others seeking the same end goal - increased performance for their "bricks".

There are 3 ways to "recirculate" that information so that details aren’t lost in the common "telephone" style of regurgitating that info over and over again.

1. The best way to document is to publish the end results, photos, and research all compiled into an article up on the site. Although it requires the most work of all forms of documentation, it also is the most effective. This will soon be much easier to accomplish. However i have not seen 1 attempt at compiling a thread, or multiple threads into a structured paper. (i want to say ever... and that whats on the site came from our mailing list, but i could be wrong)

2. Searching back through topics in a selected (or all) forum categories is a simple yet effective way to bring back threads that have discussed in length to pass along to someone who needs it, or to verify something you're working on. This board has no limit as to how many threads/pages are in a forum. Theres no time restraint. The info is there, you just have to click "search"

3. Archiving our "favorite" threads in their own forum was used on the previous board in order to avoid the "20 page cutoff". This is functional for separating out the great from the "ok" threads, and would narrow down manual page flipping in order to find what you want. Or in the case of the old board, casual reading for those that got bored at work. It is however the least effective way to store/save your info: if you want to add more/edit it, you've just created a new forum of "beat the dead horse" topics, which in the past really didnt need updates to them... instead had "Oh i have a question.. .what about doing it this way instead?" starting a whole new debate 5 pages in; and you would still, once it got big enough, have to search through it to find what you want.

Dana

[bitjockey]

Gee, thanks Steve. Maybe we overlooked you as a valuable yet ridiculously rude and unappreciative mod.

Doug and I are working to try and compile all the Meagsquirt info into one thread, and same with the T5 information.

I guess I'm just such an "FF" that I can't grasp the idea of this.

:roll:

[boostdemon]

I'd also like to add, that in the website/board forum is a sticky topic about the plans im making for the integration of the board and site. Many of the suggestions there im using to build the structure of the next version or stating my concerns about why they wouldn’t work.

Also in that thread i believe i have mentioned that once i finish the article database and submission sections we, as in those who wish to contribute prizes, will be holding an article contest in which folks either by themselves or with team mates will be awarded points based on set criteria, top 3 individual users will get the chance to pick which "prize pack" they want in order awarded and we will hold a raffle for the door prize pack (in other words, anyone who submits an "article" will have a chance at winning something)

feel free to make suggestions, anyone that has spoken with me either in person or online knows im quite susceptible to positive input. They also know im pretty adamant about clearly stating that criticism with out proposing solutions is a waste of time.

[Anonymous]

steve, as a sometimes frequent guest here, I can understand your frustration over the rehashing of certain topics....but that ain't the moderators' job to tell someone: hey fool! read the past topics before you ask the same question again....[that gets taken care of at times, and sometimes bluntly...I've done it a time or two--felt good]

...I try to do my part to attach new info to existing threads....to do a lazy way of archiving...[may lead to an article effort later...]

...but, understanding your frustration, I gotta say that I think your frustration is misdirected; you're dumpin on the wrong folks....the mods here do fine....they ain't gestapo...they will let people display their ignorance and laziness--for the whole world to see....which at times is funny as heck....and informative...

Steve, I enjoy your posts....but, you are wrong on this; I love the passion in your words....thanks...but you are giving the wrong people grief...

[Volvo78GT]

Hey Steve, lay off the booze ~ I like you better sober

It is indeed a point of frustration, but seeing how there's some action being made, especially by the incredible machine, Dana (that guy gets major props.. you guys dont worship him enough like you did Garrett.... you guys dont like the fact that he's roughly our average age and that he's nice... lol)

Anyways, the point I'm trying to make :badboy: at 4 oclock in the morning... is that if there's progress to be made, all we gotta make sure is that the topics dont get deleted and that people keep contributing to those topics (the squish v. swirl thread for example) and that people keep posting their results, prompting discussion (ie. Boris's dyno #'s)

It eventually will filter through.

You have to admit that the number of completely newbie posts has been decreasing for some time now. Having a FAQ and more and more contributions is helping alot!

I agree with the documentation thing. I mean, Dave Barton's car doesnt really go into that great technical detail as most of us would like, but it gets HUGE hits because it has simple information and documentation.

People, keep up the documentation and picture-taking, its helping.

Peace

[Bishop]

I take a softer angle on the whole thing, you should not bag or belittle newbies, many a topic has been talked about many times before, but often someone new finds it hard to relate what has been said to what "exactaly" he wants to know. I also find the search engines on these boards rather frustrating at times when it comes to doing a search, I'll spend an hour trying to get info on what I want, but others just don't have the patience, I'd don't blame them.

I forgive a lot from the new, and take pitty on those that run these sites, it's never as easy as it looks, suggestions are always helpfull, but so is outright help, if you think something is lacking, write and develop it yourself and make a genuine contribution.

Maybe I'm a sucker, but I am also from the school of thought that there is no such thing as a stupid question, and while sometimes it's anoying, I remember what it was like to want to know all the answers to my questions, but no one willing to respond.

(Note that I have owned and operated a half dozen sites and posting boards over the past 10 years, and posted on 2 dozen more, and I regard this as a very good site.)

[1UZFE]

Dana,
You are much too polite to him.
Steve,

WHO are you? DO you think calling our moderators stupid facks is a correct way to ask a ? If you have the time & the computer skills why dont you politley offer to help out. You should read & re-read Bishops well written post.

I think you are just an angry bald old man. Do you see how polite & respectfully they responded to you? I would have told you to eat a big fat d_ck . What have you contributed to this board that gives you the right be so rude & disrespectful to Dana&Co.
Have you ever been to the dragstrip? :e-shrug:
Have you ever been to an X-cross event? :e-shrug:
Have you ever strapped your brick onto a mustang or dynojet dyno ? :e-shrug:
Have you ever tried to moderate a forum?(Again see Bishop's post) :booty:

Grow up & give respect where respect is due. If you dont like this place , leave. Tbricks has come light years since 99 as a forum. I dont really know any of the original members except maybe Phillip, so I cant comment before that.

I dare you to leave! :owned:

Josh
94' OGT 940Ti 14.32- @ 96mph 211rwhp
94' TDO5-16G 940ti- 14.23 @ 100mph
78' 242GT B21FT swap- 13.68 @ 104mph :volvo:

[ICE RCKT]

I'm not condoning the lack of tact...

But in Steve's defense, he's done more mods to his car and not purchased a single pre-made part that we all drool over. I met him last summer at the Ilderton meet and we had a great chat. He's very resourceful when it comes to making his brick faster for little to no investment, and I respect that. I wish I could come up with some of the crazy **** he's done.

[Anonymous]

:nono: Steve are you a moron? There is something called FAQ that probably has the info you are looking for. Also if you had asked nicely some one probably would have done a search for you and posted the link to the post that you were looking for. You have heard you can attract more flies with honey than vinegar. This board is here for answering questions in the public domain for all to benefit not just the special children among us. Grow Up.

[Anonymous]

I'm not condoning the lack of tact...

But in Steve's defense, he's done more mods to his car and not purchased a single pre-made part that we all drool over. I met him last summer at the Ilderton meet and we had a great chat. He's very resourceful when it comes to making his brick faster for little to no investment, and I respect that. I wish I could come up with some of the crazy **** he's done.

So basically he made his own homebrew intake, exhaust, & boost controller.

Sometimes you have to pay to play. :e-shrug:

[ICE RCKT]

[quote:beab2ebeed="ICE RCKT"]I'm not condoning the lack of tact...

But in Steve's defense, he's done more mods to his car and not purchased a single pre-made part that we all drool over. I met him last summer at the Ilderton meet and we had a great chat. He's very resourceful when it comes to making his brick faster for little to no investment, and I respect that. I wish I could come up with some of the crazy **** he's done.

So basically he made his own homebrew intake, exhaust, & boost controller.

Sometimes you have to pay to play. :e-shrug:[/quote:beab2ebeed]

So apparently my idea of 'crazy ****' is intake, exhaust and boost controller. Have a nice day random-person-with-no-name. Glad we're on the same page.

[1UZFE]

That was me, I thought I was logged in.
While those are nice mods, they do not give him the right to throw a :rant: & be rude.

[Anonymous]

Steve if you are unhappy with the way the owners of this board run it, you always have the opportunity to put your money and time into a board of your own design. That way you can show everyone here how to do it right.
Why would I say that because that is what I did in business. I have owned my own business for 14 years. I walked out and started my own business because "I" knew the people that I was working with and for were idiot's that had no idea how to do it right. Today I am in the top 2% in size and employees in the U.S. for my industry. I have had competitors that went out of business because of me come knocking on the door looking for a job. I will never hire another one of them. The reason why, is they will never figure out is, that I didn't put them out of business they put themselves out of business. They come in with all these great ideas that failed when they did them and now they want me to use those same ideas that are flawed and don't work. I always seem to find people who can't do it themselves find it easier to criticize others that can do it. Just like the liberal politicians in this country who always are quick to criticize the current administration. Yet ask them how they would fix the problem with specifics and they avoid the question with babbling, misdirectional comments and down right lies. They never will answer the question. Why, because they have don't have an answer or solution to the problem. So Steve why don't you start a board and show everyone here how easy it is to run and moderate.

[ICE RCKT]

a) hi there
b) I never said that I supported how he went about saying what was said
c) [quote:a8c04aef8e]What have you contributed to this board that gives you the right be so rude & disrespectful to Dana&Co.
Have you ever been to the dragstrip?
Have you ever been to an X-cross event?
Have you ever strapped your brick onto a mustang or dynojet dyno ?
Have you ever tried to moderate a forum?(Again see Bishop's post) [/quote:a8c04aef8e]

Do we tolerate rude people who give us good information? That sounds pretty hypocritical. Ironically, we used to... I merely offered my original thoughts to answer the above quote. I feel that he has something to offer to the board, to those interested.

My favorite quote of all time:

"Assumption is the mother of all fuk ups"

Simply because it's been proven time and time again. A lot is being assumed about someone... let's stick to what we know and deal with the issue that way. If he was to come back and say he had put his car on a dyno, at the track, at the strip, moderated a forum, is he entitled to a more forceful opinion? No. That's the point of all this.

[Anonymous]

Pshh

:gulp:

Y'all need to take a big swig :beer: of Jack Daniels, sit in a La-Z-boy and chill out.

Okayyy there's a point of frustration, but I think that can be forgiven as there's alot of people who are also frustrated. I honestly think that the newbie count has really gone down quite alot. Sure we deal with them bluntly "please read the other pages" kind of thing... but you know, it is indeed getting better and Dana's doing a good job.

I think that we all need to chill out and maybe do something about it? Like in real life, you gotta volunteer, donate money, do something to solve a social problem/cause... same thing applies here. Why dont y'all go ask Dana what YOU can do to help?

:badboy: Just keep it all about the Volvos and the women... :badboy:

[Captain Bondo]

I go on holiday and miss all the good stuff...

"So many times, answers to comonly asked Qs HAVE BEEN CLEARLY ANSWERED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED THE TIME TO HELP OTHERS!"

Yep. Absolutely. And the answers are all still there if people would search.

"You stupi..d f..dks Are you just to fnn lazy to realy care?"

Ya, actually. Pretty much. There are worse things that could happen than a question getting re-asked. Someone points them to the search and it's over and done with. I fail to see the tragedy implied by your statements. It's not that we are too lazy to care, rather than that we just don't care lazy or not becuase it's not worth caring about.

"E.G. Valve job. J.S. wrote an exellent article with pictures for brickboard. A T-Brick member posted the info on this board, and do you ffs hang on to it and make it available to newbies??"

I'm sure someone who used the search feature could find it. Making redundant copies of every article is barely better than having redundant questions, and it's way more work.

If you're so frustrated with the apparent state of anarchy these threads are causing why not help out an make a link list for a question.
If you aren't happen with something, why not initiate a solution instead of looking for a scapegoat? Maybe "just too fnn lazy"....

[MattP]

I don't normally write to topics like these, but I am going to dip in. Has any here ever had someone ask them a stupid question at a Volvo meet, at work, or at a parts supplier. I have asked those stupid questions many times. In thoses face to face cases, I have never had a person told me I was stupid, my question was stupid, or any manner like it. I have been ignore and brushed off many times. If they did it too many times I never went back. With the anonymity and distance of this forum, it allows people to be rude on both sides. If you see an obviously newbie question, ignore them. Some of mine have been ignored and others I have received excellent help. Why is behavior that wouldn't be tolerated in face to face communication, tolerated here. If you don't understand the concept try to get an expert to be your partner as a Newbie on Yahoo games. You will be ignored until you eventually leave. We all have to start somewhere. Who knows maybe the newbie might have a bright idea later on down the road that he might share. Thanks for reading.

Matt

[MikeB23ft]

Steve? ohhh Steeeeevey poo? Where are you? Defend yourself. Or apologize. :eek:

Michael

[SquareD]

So many times, answers to comonly asked Qs HAVE BEEN CLEARLY ANSWERED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED THE TIME TO HELP OTHERS!

You stupi..d f..dks Are you just to fnn lazy to realy care?

E.G. Valve job. J.S. wrote an exellent article with pictures for brickboard. A T-Brick member posted the info on this board, and do you ffs hang on to it and make it available to newbies??


I dare you to leave this post on the board!

That is one of the most juvenile posts ever and definately the most worthless post ever. I respect all the "handyman special" mods you have done Steve, but jeez bring something up in a constructive manner. I think you just volunteered yourself for creating a FAQ section for the webpage.

[boostdemon]

One final aspect I'd like to touch on before retiring this thread to the "website/board" forum (as not to leave Steve in the pillory much longer)

Something to consider... new members coming in and participating on some level is important for the community here. The fact is, a worldwide message board is quite faster then technology, we could post on every topic 100 times before a new factor comes into the mix. Its fun when similar topics are separated by a month or two, allowing us to try other combinations and discuss other aspects but that's not always the case. If we only talked about new topics or additions to topics, we would be pretty bored with one or two posts a week. Its just the nature of the beast.

As mentioned, some new members are quite experienced and offer up detailed thought out solutions and problems that satisfy our "advanced" group of members. On the same hand, most of our new comers are beginners and are here to learn. Many of us offer advice (even if its common knowledge to us) with open arms in the attempt to provoke some thought and willingness to learn. In most cases a brief bit of background and a link to some more, already debated, information will help. That is how you communicate in person, why wouldn't you do the same here.


Although the way Steve went about expressing his concern, and the forum he posted it in was wrong and intentionally harsh... Im fairly certain being a grown adult he realizes that it did him no good and will hopefully find a better way to communicate. We do enjoy his company and detailed documentation on his mods, which I hope will be published on the site soon.


p.s.
I havent banned anyone yet, and dont plan on needing to. If someone is blatantly out of line, theres 1300+ other members to set them straight. Thank you.

[Hank Scorpio]

Couple of small points:

Dana, like your new avatar the best so far!

Steve, true, people forget to search. I did it, sometimes I needed a bit more clarification too.

I admin at CV, hell, any site like this and if you stick every good "thread" you'll have 200 stuck threads before a new one starts. It takes time, get used to it. I try to write articles over at CV, Im not a snob about websites. I post here and everywhere.

In the scheme of things, really, who the hell cares. We have so much **** stuck on CV the newb's don't have to post and it gets boring :e-shrug:

Oh, and for the record, true some of the old timers aren't here, and some of the articles/threads aren't as good, but atleast theres a new group of us trying. I don't even have to mention who they are.

Doug

[Steve C]

I appologize for going overboard on my rant. I shouldn't have gotten so pissed. I am sorry about how I expressed my frustration.

[Bready]

Well hey - that was cool Steve, I think that is the type of post that really does take a lot of cojones.

No worries from this end.

There is one MONSTEROUS issue that the admins really do need to get off their asses and deal with AND I MEAN NOW!!!!!!


...why is it that F-U-C-K gets auto screened and not S-H-I-T????

It's sort of cramping my style....

...not really one who feels comfortably with umlats sissifying my rants.

Da king

[Twiggilicious]

...why is it that F-U-C-K gets auto screened and not S-H-I-T????

It's sort of cramping my style....

Da king

The prik gets by the prik filter!! Good work... :-D

[boostdemon]

thanks Steve. water off my back, no hard feelings.


So... lets talk ideas: http://turbovolvo.saliv8.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=4582


JB: if you can say it on cable TV you can say it here. i could pull the creative spelling and just use asterisk's if you'd like? :wink:

[Bready]

**** THAT!

:wave:

DA KING

[towerymt]

I'm sort of half-working on a couple of articles now, one of which is going to cover a whole spectrum of commonly asked, yet related questions.

With me being one of the moderators, perhaps I should forward my writing to Steve C. for proofreading and technical commentary, since we apparently don't know our asses from a hole in the ground. His intellectual superiority will clearly reflect well on the website as a whole, so I say we promote Steve C. to some important-sounding position within the Turbobricks empire where he can sit on his throne and tell us what to do.

VOTE STEVE C. TURBOBRICKS PRESIDENT IN 2004!!

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[TurboBrick940]

I would agree with what everyone has said, and add just one token...

RTFM 1ST or STFU
Search 2nd or STFU
Ask 3rd or STFU
Take a wild guess or TRY something new (No speaking in involved)
Share helpful knowledge learned or STFU
If certain people can't DO this they need to get on the FF wagon and **** off :badboy:

[BoxDriver2]

Hey, I have 2 articles [with photos] on the basic oil trap and IC cleaning process :wave: :wave: :wave:

Those 2 are good to go :-D

I had some on Badbricks like a mitsu to garrett conversion and some others like boost and af gauge installs etc but the main sites been down for a long time :e-shrug:

Dana has done a hell of a job with this new layout. :badboy: :badboy:

[applejuice]

why is this in the performance section moderators?

[740TurboPerformance]

To be truthful, just about everything (not everything but close) has been answered or discussed at one time or another by other members here. Hell I know I've completely answered and tried to assist with certain issues I know about and then soon comes another similar or same post. And yeah, it's kind of like "damn, I just answered that". I'll just copy and paste my reply if it's the same thing, it aint no big deal, well shouldn't be. Sure it's a little irratating, but probably not intended to piss others off. If we really take this approach there would soon hardly be any discussion and the forum would become quite quiet therefore contradicting the purpose of a forum so the fact that people are posting, is a good thing. :e-shrug:

People just need to either ignore it and post no reply if it really pisses you off and that's your way of handling it or simply say "hey this exact thing was just talked about" or we have the info on it, "here's the link"....... :wink:



Later

[garrettkjr]

...seeing how there's some action being made, especially by the incredible machine, Dana (that guy gets major props.. you guys don't worship him enough like you did Garrett.... you guys don't like the fact that he's roughly our average age and that he's nice... lol)

I'm not sure if I'm happy that Matt thought you guys worshipped me, or if I'm upset that he thinks Dana "the Machine" is half my age and nicer. I am sure that I miss Matt.