MSD to megasquirt hook up?

[sick78_242GT]

oh i just got my msd ignition box from my friend today....have some questions on how to hook it up.....


so i have the two wires coming out on side that hook up to the distributer its a green and a pink wire....then on the other side i have about a 12 guage red wire which is probably positive or hot..(does this hook up to hot all the time or ingnition power?) and what wires go where on the distributer.. then i have a 12 guage black wire which i figure its ground(duh) then i have about 4 14-16 guage wire...and the colors of them are white, orange, red, and black(where do those hook up in the MS&S)...

any help would be great..

thanks

chris

[swedefiend]

You're gonna have to be more specific with your posts Chris.

I am assuming a 6 series (only because they are the most common):

Here (http://www.msdignition.com/1download.htm) is a link to the download section from the manufacturer. You have to use the white wire for the input. The purple and green could work with the magnetic type dizzy (but that won't allow you to use the programmable part of MSnS). You could theoretically use the RPM output for the tach to give the RPM signal to the MS box. I think you may need a tach adapter for that.

DL the instructions. Read and then post back if you still have questions.

[sick78_242GT]

i dont even know what kind of box i have all it says that its multi spark discharge serial#097602....part no...6200

[sick78_242GT]

ok i just looked it up its a 6A CD ingnition box..what do i need to make this work with ms..

[swedefiend]

ok i just looked it up its a 6A CD ingnition box..what do i need to make this work with ms..

Download the instructions and read them.

Now!

[sick78_242GT]

i got the instructions from summit racing...


http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/msd-6200%282%291.pdf

it said i could use it with a magnetic dist...

[swedefiend]

it said i could use it with a magnetic dist...

I thought you got rid of that already...

[sick78_242GT]

it said

heavy red is for batter(+)
heavy black is for Ground or negitive battery.
small red is for 12v switched
small orange postitive terminal to the coil
small black negative terminal to the coil
small vilot is for postive for the dist..
small green is for negative to the dist...
small white is for points and other stuff...

it said when useing the green and viloiet don' use the white on because these are trigger wires..but how do i hook it up into ms&s thats the question?

[sick78_242GT]

I thought you got rid of that already...

im using the dist out of a 85 240

[swedefiend]

it said

heavy red is for batter(+)
heavy black is for Ground or negitive battery.
small red is for 12v switched
small orange postitive terminal to the coil
small black negative terminal to the coil
small vilot is for postive for the dist..
small green is for negative to the dist...
small white is for points and other stuff...

it said when useing the green and viloiet don' use the white on because these are trigger wires..but how do i hook it up into ms&s thats the question?

OMFG RTFM! If you have gotten rid of the k-jet dizzy and you have the LH 2.2 dizzy now, then you have to use the white wire. Search here for instructions on how to hook up MSD to MSnS.

[benflynn]

Relax My Only Friend

[sick78_242GT]

so where do i hook up the white wire too? do i still use the green and viloet to the dizzy?

i need some help

thanks

chris

[adrianpike]

http://megasquirt.info
http://forums.turbobricks.com/search.php

Dude, you've got to learn what you're doing *before* you do it.
Don't use the tbricks as a crutch, because what will you ever do if you have to ask for the answer to every little thing because you didn't understand how it worked?

[242Fast]

white wire on msd goes to pin30(yellow wire usually on a box from kenny)

[sick78_242GT]

http://megasquirt.info
http://forums.turbobricks.com/search.php

Dude, you've got to learn what you're doing *before* you do it.
Don't use the tbricks as a crutch, because what will you ever do if you have to ask for the answer to every little thing because you didn't understand how it worked?


hey dude i have to get my car running good by friday so i wanna make sure i have every thing correct thats why im asking so many questions.........and plus thats what i thought TB was for...so that everybody can help everybody else....


thanks

chris

[sick78_242GT]

white wire on msd goes to pin30(yellow wire usually on a box from kenny)


thats the fast idle

[medfurd]

It's the spark output pin too.

[sick78_242GT]

so do i "T" it off

[sick78_242GT]

then whats up with pin 24 thats the light blue where do i put that and that the tach input and tach signal

[242Fast]

ok so, i'm pretty sure http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?p=248685#post248685 covers everything but msd. the only thing you have to do to wire up msd IS! white wire on msd to pin30. i've lost my wiring notes but if find em i'll be sure to scan and post.

edit http://home.comcast.net/~bigleonard/megasquirtnotes1.jpg
mabye that'll help some, you probably already have all that done gl hf

[adrianpike]

then whats up with pin 24 thats the light blue where do i put that and that the tach input and tach signal

RTFM!
Kenny explains it all here (http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=26720).

Are you planning on using MS&S to control spark timing, and the MSD box act as the ICU? What dizzy do you have?

If you need to get it running by Friday, just hook up K-jet spark, rather than start &S'ing it.

[sick78_242GT]

im running the 86 240 dizzy i think its LH 2.2

[swedefiend]

Okay Chris, listen man. This is gonna be harsh and you are gonna think I am a total dick for saying the following, but I promise it is the best thing for you.

1. You have got to pull yourself up by the boot-straps on this. It was a bad idea for you to abandon the lh2.2 and EZK on your motor swap. If you didn't have the basic understandings of an EFI to complete the swap into your car from a 740, how do you expect to get the MS running and tuned?

2. You can't expect people on this forum to regurgitate months of knowledge on demand because you a) have no idea what to look for or b) are too lazy to search. The guys here are more than willing to help you with issues along the way, but wiring (and wiring an MSD to) MS has been pretty well covered here and at MSEFI.com.

3. I suggest you forget about having the car running by Friday and concentrate more on learning the basics. You are gonna be pretty well screwed without at least a basic knowledge of the following:

- current, resistance and voltage
- Differences between hall effect, inductive and other types of ignition triggers
- Pulsewidth isn't mandatory, but you should be interested in it
- differences between narrowband sensors and wideband
- spark timing isn't something to take lightly (and a theory that isn't going to be spoon fed to anyone either)
- what about knock detection? Have you made plans for that?
- I could go on forever. The point is that folks will only carry someone so far until they cut you loose. There is an immense amount of material that should have been understood before you ever comitted to swapping from LH.

I wish you the best of luck. I know that you probably feel like telling me to do bad things to myself. I am just saying what many others (I feel) are thinking. The lack of responses to this thread should give you an indication of the general consensus.

Please read up and be prepared to spend some more money. I read and saved for about six months before I attempted the swap (and I have been working on cars - and resurrecting cars like your turbo swap - for many years. You can at least take comfort in the fact that almost everyone here felt as lost as you do at one point in their learning.

[swedefiend]

so do i "T" it off

-=Read The instructions!=- (http://megasquirt.sourceforge.net/extra/select.html)

^^Click on that^^

It's not plug and play yet...

[242Fast]

i dont mind tellin ya what i did since i'm newb too and just did it a month ago or so. it rrrreeeeaaaalllllllyyyyy helps though if you have a super specific question rather than "how do i tune the car" or something broad. jaypsc's got his vexme goin pretty tight so once you get it running hop on over to "need a couple beta testers" thread and pick that up(read the whole thing if you have time). that'll help you out with fuel tables. once again, specific questions are what people can answer, and they might be a little more inclined to not say "DO A SEARCH" since they dont have to write so much heh

[swedefiend]

i dont mind tellin ya what i did since i'm newb too and just did it a month ago or so.

I could tell you how I did it but I don't think you would understand. I take fidle from 30 and sparkout on 25. I also have my dizzy wired up different than about 95% of the board (yes, same dizzy)

How do you like them apples? And my way doesn't work for a lot of people. The reason it worked for me? I read and read and read and then build the **** myself. As a matter of fact, I run MSD with MSnS-extra and my procedure is documented here. Why should we be required to pony up answers every time someone is too lazy to read through search results?

Additionally, are you gonna be there for him when he is broke down on the side of the road and doesn't understand enough about EFI to do some basic troubleshooting?

You are doing more harm than good, believe it or not.

[DeathWagon]

hey dude i have to get my car running good by friday so i wanna make sure i have every thing correct thats why im asking so many questions.........and plus thats what i thought TB was for...so that everybody can help everybody else....


thanks

chris

Chris Welcome to turbobricks.
This is a place to learn things and also provide your opinion on problems. This fourm is HUGE and has a very large data base of information. But as you will find very often some people on this board arent always right and by the time you have taken information they have given you it might be too late. What we all are asking is do alittle research first and then after an hour or so if you still havent found what your looking for come to us. When you made this post it has ticked off some of the older members because this has been touched on many many times and on MSefi.com as well. WE GET PISSED WHEN PEOPLE ASK "HOW MUCH BOOST CAN I RUN ON THE STOCK FUEL SYSTEM". Probley the most asked nubie question on this board and for old mean sh*ts like myself i tent to tell the nubie 30-40psi just to see if they do what i suggested. Some of the most qualified members on this board hardly ever post. BEWARE of some of the info it might not be what you are looking for.

Sam

[sick78_242GT]

so do i have MS&S-E or just MS&S

[adrianpike]

so do i have MS&S-E or just MS&S

Well, what did you flash onto it? :-D

Did you get it from kenny? I'm pretty sure he's flashing his boards with MS&S-E as they roll out of his sweatshop...

[benflynn]

chris...welcom to hell

[sick78_242GT]

yea my apoligy guys i tryed searching for it i think i spent about 2 hours trying to find it out..but i think i figured it out just by doing a little more research....so im sorry to all the TB memeber i pissed off but im a carberator guy this fuel injection is a little trickier...its a little harder to understand and at the time i started this swap i just need a new motor in my car because i cracked my head on the B21 so i didn't do much research at all.but thanks alot for all the help i got...and yea i did get my MS&S-E from kenny....so just wanted to APOLIGIZE to everybody but i normally search for the stuff before i do it but im just in a rush right now but i guess i will just take my time and do it right...


thanks

chris

[swedefiend]

so im sorry to all the TB members i pissed off

chris

Hey Chris, you didn't piss me off per se. I am just dissapointed that in the span of about 6 months, you haven't sat down long enough to wrap your head around electronic fuel injection. I was really concerned to find out that you abandoned the LH swap after only minor setbacks. With the wiring diagrams I gave you before and the knowledge that you needed the other dizzy (the 85-86 LH 2.2 type), I expected to see you post back within the month (at least) to tell us it was working. Instead, I find out that you have dropped a level 5 project in favor of level 10.

I really do hope you get it running. I believe that you will succeed. However, I know that you are only going to make it to a certain point where your lack of knowledge is going to bite you.

Also, I want you to know that I believe I know why you wanted to have the car done by Friday and I think that it was commendable for trying to keep your comittment to the other guys. Just remember that they will respect you even more if you stick to this task and come out shining at the next meet.

Don't hesitate to ask me specific questions via PM. I am pulling for you. Really I am. I just had to let you know how frustrating it is to watch someone undertake a task of this magnitude while expecting Tbricks to help you do the "easy" part of the job.

-Greg

[sick78_242GT]

thanks greg for the understanding....and i hope the mega squirt will work well i just got done wireing up the dizzy, coolant temp sensor, the IAT sensor, and the O2 sensor. tomarrow im going to work on it all day until its done hehe...i have a buddy of mine thats going to help me tune it and hes going to teach me along the way so i understand about it....the wiring is pretty simple but its just time consuming hopfully im going to wire up everything else tomarrow but i will let you know if i have any problems

thanks

chris