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mAydAy
11-06-2005, 01:21 AM
I've been kind of keeping it under wraps here, but a friend of mine convinced me to write something for his board, so I figured I'd better post it up here too. Here is one of my two works in progress, Enjoy!


It started life as a 1987 Volvo 240GL, picked it up from a friend. He runs the automotive education department at a school in MD, the car had been donated and had sat there, and had actually sat since '99. Dropped in a battery, a few cranks and she came to life on old crapass gas. Took place one nice saturday in June this year.

Threw her up on the trailer, and since then I've been poking at it.

I picked it up a week before Hyperfest, and I damn near killed myself trying to prepare it for it. I failed, all because of a broken alternator ground strap.

In that week it got:
-Freshened motor swapped in, with all new gaskets, bearing clearances checked, new PCV, etc
-Stiffer motor mounts
-Volvo "A" Grind camshaft
-Custom intake
-Exhaust hacked off
-Rare Volvo 'R-Sport' super stiff competition struts
-Kaplhenke Racing camber plates
-2.5"x8" 350# coilover springs up front, on my own mount setup
-5"x11" 300# rear springs, mounted on hacked up and retrofitted stock mounts
-Gabriel Max Control shocks for the front of a Suburban, retrofitted to the rear.
-23mm front swaybar, 23mm rear swaybar
-Brembo blank vented rotors
-Axxis Ultimate Ceramics up front, Axxis Semi-Metallic rears
-ATE Super Blue Racing fluid
-New plugs, rotor, cap, wires, etc
-E-fan
-15" Volvo "Nova" wheels (OEM for 1984 760 Turbo's)
-205/50-15 BFGoodrich kD's
-Strut-strut brace, strut-firewall brace, lower control arm tie bars


Well, apparentally swapping the motor was enough to agitate the alternator ground wire's rotten innards, and after I towed it up to Summit Point, WVa it decided to die, because it wasn't recharging anything. I located an alternator (Well, uh, I "borrowed" one from a junk car nearby), and put it on there (Its hard to find alternators in West Virginia at midnight on a Friday night.) Still no luck. Ended up working that weekend.

I decided after that not to rush things, and I've been slowly poking at it ever since.

Since then:

-Completely gutted interior
-Installed 6point Autopower rollcage
-Swapped out factory automatic for a Volvo M47 5-Speed with a custom home-brewed short shifter. Retained auto rear end ratio of 3.73:1, providing a nice improvement over the stock combo of the manual and 3.31:1
-Installed Corbeau Forzas (I've redone the seats, also) on custom brackets
-5 point G-Force harnesses
-Removed all sound deadening from the car

Soon to come (This winter, most likely before the NASA Event in Feb. at VIR):
-Polyurethane bushings (I've got them sitting here, but, not sure if they'll ever go on, I'm doing my best to replace everything bushed with nice FK Rod ends :D)
-Custom made, adjustable, rod ended endlinks, panhard and torque rods
-Seam welding
-Megasquirt'N'MSD
--Raise redline to ~7000RPM
-Custom dash (It'll be impressive, trust me)
-Completely rewiring everything (Only wiring up necessities. Everythign will be neatly done in harnesses, and will be connected with plugs for ease of repairs)
-Possibly a custom header (Depends how much time I have, if I find some time I'll weld one up)
-LSD.
-Grant 12" steering wheel w/ Quick-Disconnect hub
-Howe 1.5:1 steering quickener
-Playing with rear end gear ratios! That'll take place probably much of next year. (Available factory ratios I can get my hands on that would be viable options are 3.73, 3.91, and 4.10. I'm leaning most likely toward 4.10's, since that will yield a speed of ~125mph at 5k rpm, I'm not likely to ever exceed that speed with this setup on any track I'll be on). It'll all boil down to RPM's and gear points at exits of corners. Unlike most cars, I can't exactly just go ask others what setups they've found to work for their cars.....


In the works for the more distant future:
-Playing with rear end gear ratios! (Available factory ratios I can get my hands on that would be viable options are 3.73, 3.91, and 4.10. I'm leaning most likely toward 4.10's, since that will yield a speed of ~125mph at 5k rpm, I'm not likely to ever exceed that speed with this setup on any track I'll be on). It'll all boil down to RPM's and gear points at exits of corners. Unlike most cars, I can't exactly just go ask others what setups they've found to work for their cars.....

-I'm working out some designs for custom made stiffened rear lower trailing arms integrating true coilovers (Height adjustable, adjustable dampeners, and not just sleeved crap) and something along the lines of monoballs to replace the bushings

-Custom lower control arms, using front and rear rod ends, integrating roll center correction (increase height of ball joints, to allow the car to be lowered more, and prevent the control arms from being inverted, causing a camber decrease upon compression), and setting up the balljoints to work with some sort of universal coilover setup up front, allowing real coilovers to be used and increasing suspension travel while decreasing ride height. Having adjustable rod end mounts allows them to be adjustable to dial in even greater amounts of camber and caster.

-Bump-steer correction. Easy to do on these cars, just make ~1" spacer blocks for the steering rack, put em in and bolt 'em down.

-Also in the distant future, new drivetrain. While I'm learning the ropes and working my way through the first few steps toward licensing, I'm keeping the power down and keeping it as whats known as a Momentum car. Low power, but hauls ass in the corners. Once I master the car, I'll continue to challenge myself to learn, by increasing horsepower accordingly. Along with the engine swap, there will be a trans swap to a close ratio 5 or 6 speed, with a few options in mind. I'm keeping my ideas to myself, but expect far down the road (3-5+ years I'd guess) if I continue on the path I'm on right now, expect something providing 4-600hp turbocharged and hopefully a near 50-50 weight balance.



The car will make its first outtings on Nov. 20 and Dec. 4 for two NASA-X's at VMP. These will be used as "Test'N'Tune" days for the suspension and a break-in and learning period, letting me see what I need to change on the setup. So far, the suspension is all calculated and theoretical, real world application will determine how it works. I'll adjust bar and springrates accordingly (I'm expecting to see upwards of 450-500# fronts and 350-400# rears by the end of the year I'd guess).

Oh yeah, got an alignment printout here, here are the current specs for the front:
Camber: -1.78 Left -1.84 Right
Caster: 3.66 L 3.63 R
Toe: .01 L .02 R

I'd like to see some more camber, and I'll have to expirement with caster to see how this car reacts to different levels.


I'm missing lots of stuff I'm sure, but this provides a nice general overview of it all

OK time for pictures. All these are like 6 weeks old, I've done a bunch of stuff since then, but they're something to show for all the talk. Sorry about the crappy pictures, a friend of mine took them and somehow he messed up "Point and Shoot," don't ask me how.

http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181620/medium.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181634/medium.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181636/medium.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181641/medium.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181643/medium.jpg

DurableSwedish
11-06-2005, 02:01 AM
Really sweet Andy. Do you have a rough estimite of how much all the suspention components cost?

mAydAy
11-06-2005, 01:08 PM
I still have only like $2-3k in the whole car pretty much.
$150 R-Sports
$120 Gabriels (Lifetime warranty, too!)
$245 all bushings (Probably won't use em)
$150 (The rear 5x11 Hypercoils were brand new, the coilover springs came off the rear of a Maxima) all 4 springs
$50 Camber plates

Braking components were $200 for pads, fluid, rotors

Oh and slight correction on there, I originally put 21mm rear bar, which is incorrect, its a 23mm rear iPD bar.

marsie85
11-06-2005, 01:28 PM
Sorry about the crappy pictures, a friend of mine took them and somehow he messed up "Point and Shoot," don't ask me how.

http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181620/medium.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181634/medium.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181636/medium.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181641/medium.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/stylngle2003/image/50181643/medium.jpg

F you buddy...at least the car isn't cutoff in the frame :-P

-billy

Vercetti
11-06-2005, 08:40 PM
Uh what is the motor...is that an M51?

mAydAy
11-06-2005, 09:53 PM
M47, custom short shifter, stock '87 B230F w/ A-cam

towerymt
11-07-2005, 12:10 AM
-Custom lower control arms, using front and rear rod ends, integrating roll center correction (increase height of ball joints...
Only way the ball joints are going up is with taller tires. ;-)

M47, custom short shifter, stock '87 B230FT w/ A-cam
Turbo, eh? haha

mAydAy
11-07-2005, 12:22 AM
Stop making fun of me! I typed it up real quick, pfft.

I suppose its more like dropping the control arms than lifting the ball joints isn't it.

Zee
11-07-2005, 07:54 AM
Gawd, Man! Next, you'll be building your own road course for it!

Good racin', buddy

mAydAy
11-07-2005, 05:11 PM
Gawd, Man! Next, you'll be building your own road course for it!

Good racin', buddy
Yeah man you know it! Hope to see you back out there next year!

ashvolvo
11-07-2005, 08:22 PM
Fantastic Andy, you'll have a lot of fun with it I'm sure.
Keep the photos and progress reports coming.

Brickster151
11-07-2005, 08:34 PM
So whats the deal with the Autopower cage? Autopower does'nt list anything for Volvos - or was it a universal cage?

towerymt
11-07-2005, 09:44 PM
I suppose its more like dropping the control arms than lifting the ball joints isn't it.
Dropping the ball joint.

Cage is of unknown origin, probably a universal if such a thing exists.

mAydAy
11-07-2005, 10:38 PM
I need to look up the serial number, but we're thining either universal or of some sort of BMW origin. THe cage was installed in a 242 by Gary Martin, who has and continues to run a BMW modifying shop, and he would be someone to have a BMW cage laying around.

stylngle2003
11-08-2005, 03:22 PM
yea, but i think that it was a universal...because he wasnt really supermodding bimmers until after he sold the old GT...i'll call him


ok, he said he got it from OG racing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back when, and doesnt think they make em anymore (im pretty certain they dont)...i'll call OG and see

ok, no listing of what make it was, they switched to a new billing/record system recently (like 3 years) and gary SOLD the 242gt to (i think) rob back in oh....99 or 2000, so there isn't a record of what it was originally

bummer

mAydAy
11-08-2005, 09:48 PM
Conclusion is, it was most likely special ordered from Autopower as a custom fit cage for the car, since it is from before they were making cages for every car out there. I like it either way, I just went and got new heavier slip-fit tubes for it to replace the old, oval thin-wall ones.

towerymt
11-08-2005, 11:45 PM
ok, no listing of what make it was, they switched to a new billing/record system recently (like 3 years) and gary SOLD the 242gt to (i think) rob back in oh....99 or 2000, so there isn't a record of what it was originally
We went and looked at it in July '03 (pics on my computer since then). Would have run the Fall '03 drivers school, rebuilt the motor winter '03/'04, then attempted the Spring '04 drivers school, rented the SX, ran ~5 races in '04 with the Nissen, sold the GT to Greg 6-12mo. ago.

marsie85
11-09-2005, 12:03 AM
ah, good to know Michael...thanks for the clari

i can't believe it was 7/03 that you guys looked at that GT...musta been a different one from the one i remember him selling

ah but you know what, that makes sense, cuz he wanted to trade me my then-newly acquired miata for a "240 racecar" and spares. i passed, obviously, but didn't ever see the car

-billy

dl242gt
11-09-2005, 12:18 AM
Glad to see you getting out there racing a 244.
Have a great time!

mAydAy
12-07-2005, 02:43 PM
Parts are starting to show up for this winters tear down. Seam welding and rewiring should start over christmas break.

New parts:

MS
MSD 6AL
MSD High Vibration Blaster coil (Blaster 2 as backup also)
Rebco gauge panel - Autometer 2 5/8 Sport Comp Oil Pressure, Water temp, Oil temp, all w/ warning lights
5" 10k RPM In dash Autometer Sport Comp tach
Moroso breakered rocker panel
Ben Kaplan's adjustable solid torque rods and panhard rod
B21F bored to 2.3l, Arias forged flat tops, GM Pink rods, 12.5:1
SAM header
Misc. other odds and ends.

Going to rebuild the engine soon, tearing everything inside of the car out and rewiring from scratch including relocating battery to the trunk. Should go back together with all new fresh wires and the fresh engine running on MSnMSD.

B21F is going to be rebuilt. Going to knifeedge the crank, replace all seals, rebear and rering it. Its getting a custom head. Hopefully going to go for 13-13.5:1 static compression. Mike Perry will be doing the head (Either a 405 or 531), and breathing will be further assisted by individual throttle bodies and a SAM header. Hoping to break 200hp.

Progress recently with my health and weather and everything has been slow, should be picking back up here soon.

oldschoolvolvo
12-07-2005, 06:12 PM
good luck man, sounds like a fun project!

mAydAy
12-18-2005, 05:33 PM
12/17/05 Update:

Got the engine and throttle bodies here now.....

Throttle bodies seem to be excessively large, but hey, we'll see how they work.
http://www.brickboard.com/GALLERY/images/4786.jpg
http://www.brickboard.com/GALLERY/images/4914.jpg
Velocity stacks are 48mm tall with 46mm throats
The throttle bodies are approximately 45mm each.

The bottom end looks great, haven't torn into it yet but looking in the bores (No head on it) it seems like it definitely doesn't need too much work. Bores are clean and smooth can still see the honing in them, no noticeable wear, and pistons look nice too. I'll get pics once I get to tear it down.

Saw my new torque rods last night up at Ben Kaplan's house, they are a work of art, and theres no way anyone's going to break those suckers. You'd rip the mounts off the frame first. Waiting on him to get the panhard finished up then they go in. Engine rebuild starts sometime either right after Christmas or mid-January, head building hopefully sometime in the same time. Seam welding should be going down in the next month, and so should the wiring. Lets see what I can actually get done! Have to get all my college app's out of the way and Exams the second week of January also, and not to forget the health issues dragging me down amidst it all. Wish me luck!

--Andy

adrianpike
12-18-2005, 05:41 PM
Awesome, where did you get ahold of those TB's?

stylngle2003
12-19-2005, 04:01 PM
from greg (liquidvice) who bought them here (http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=38085&highlight=itb%27s)

mAydAy
01-16-2006, 01:09 AM
M47 pissed me off, I bought a Quaife M45 close ratio box. Fully synchronized, straight cut hardened gears, all new gears and synchros, hellish yet badass 2.25:1 first, and a delightful 1:1 fourth, with crazy close ratios in between. Will get either 4.10's or 3.91's, haven't decided. 4.10 will yield a top speed of right around ~130mph, tire size and RPM dependent (Haven't decided where to set the redline yet, Probably 8-850 though), 3.91 will yield a small bit more top end.

Stupid factory M rods weigh too much. Getting some KG Trinming rods, 590 grams per rod, instead of over 800grams per for the M-rods (Parners were ~775 grams, and Verdi's were over 700 also, which is utterly unacceptable for my purposes).

Stupid factory heads don't flow enough, so Erland Cox (the guy that taught Pacman) is building me a head. SS valves, hardened seats, hardened oversized guides, special retainers, double springs, 46/38 valves, fully ported and polished, and ofcourse, the crucial brutal cam. Haven't hammered out cams 100% yet, but looking at ~320* lift and ~13.5-14mm lift, and along with everything, estimates in the ~225-240whp area based off of Swedish Volvo race engines.

Clutch isn't hammered out yet, but, lets say, flywheels need not apply and it will be stupid light (And, it may actually be streetable (Streetable is a very very loose term, it means possible to drive on the street, it does NOT mean appropriate for the street or at all comfortable) so all of you with high power street beasts wishing for ultra light clutches keep your eyes and ears peeled, I've got something up my sleeve for you), and if all goes as it should, it shouldn't cost anymore than an AL Flywheel, and a Clutchnet clutch and pressure plate.

I think thats it for now.

blkaplan
01-16-2006, 08:26 AM
is your m47 in good shape? can i have it?

mAydAy
01-16-2006, 11:59 PM
Yeah its in decent condition, shifts smooth. guideplate isn't the tightest but its perfectly fine. With my shortshifter it was precise and notchy. With some new shifter bushings it'd be good (I just shimmed the ones in there for the time being).

I'm sure we can work out a deal of sorts....

klr142
01-22-2006, 07:29 AM
Hey hey, missed some updates, so I think I'll be suscribing now! Sounds freakin awesome Andy, can't wait to hear more.

What'd you do to shorten the shifting? Just cut down the lever? Or did you modify anything else on it?

My ears are peeled... :-D

mAydAy
01-22-2006, 02:14 PM
Short shifter is extended beyond the pivot ball and shortened up top, and the rubber bushing was removed and a bronze one was put in place of it. Its going to get redone a bit more, but its getting there slowly.

irr1800
02-14-2006, 04:50 PM
Starting down the right road there....Glad to see another Volvo out in the Mid Atlantic area. Yes that is right I hope to be back out there again this year (Auto-X FSP). As for those looking for a cage or a bar I recommend the Kirk Racing Bar/Cage. Excellent fit and construction. i currently have the bar in my car, but will be upgrading to a cage at some time in the near future.

Doug

blkaplan
02-14-2006, 05:30 PM
doug,

there are a lot of us in the area, i look forward to seeing you at fedex this year.

last year towery dominated fsp in his 244, i codrove and trophied as well. hes leaving fsp so you should make easy work of the local clowns

Stereophile33
12-06-2006, 01:45 PM
is there an update on this car?

What class will this car run in?

Hank Scorpio
06-06-2007, 03:08 PM
bump to piss andy off.

norcal505
06-11-2007, 12:52 AM
Nice 244!
Just wondering...
Is that eggcrate grill originally from a 240?? They're extremly hard to come by in the states...:wtf:

Homer
06-11-2007, 01:21 PM
Nice 244!
Just wondering...
Is that eggcrate grill originally from a 240?? They're extremly hard to come by in the states...:wtf:

Because they were never sold in the states. I've got one I've been stashing in my basement for 6 years.:rofl: :cool:

norcal505
06-11-2007, 01:25 PM
Because they were never sold in the states. I've got one I've been stashing in my basement for 6 years.:rofl: :cool:

Yeah they're pretty damn nice. They'de look nice in chrome:-D

Tom Wiley
03-04-2009, 12:14 AM
What ever happened with this car?

MrBill
03-04-2009, 12:16 AM
i only met mayday last yearish but i think he turned into a fwd faggot?

Tom Wiley
03-04-2009, 12:19 AM
i only met mayday last yearish but i think he turned into a fwd faggot?

So he sold a Built N/A track car for a FWD cruiser?

Crazychopstick
03-04-2009, 12:21 AM
I bought the engine harness off this car.

mAydAy
03-04-2009, 12:23 AM
I ended up moving on to bigger and better things. Vince (TerribleOne) is using the shell to rebuild his beaten and battered car, Lawrence (Fidel) has the gearbox. I still have the engine bits, not quite sure what fate lies for them, with some tweaking could make a beast NA or boosted motor, depending on how the head is down. I started working full-time building tube chassis racecars and could no longer justify building that into a racecar.

Still have some other miscellaneous parts too, like a set of BBS 15x7 meshes and stacks of ECU's/ICU's, MSnS-E, 2 MS harnesses, etc.

Anyways, racing is on hold for at least a few months more til the house starts paying for its self a bit more, we'll see what this summer has in store. Pictures and documentation of the super-stupid see-bee-ARRRRRR shifter kart will be coming once I get the XC on the road again and my house done. It'll be much more exciting, I promise.....:)


FWD thing is unfortunate, trust me. I was trying to get rid of them and they kept raining down on me.....the GLT cost $700 and was meant to be a parts car (drove it for a year, its about to get stripped down in about 2-3 weeks or so), the 854T was free (traded parts for it) and the XC was $450....can't go wrong with cheap, nice beaters :-D