Vince's '89 244tic sleeper

[TerribleOne]

I'm Vince. This is a rolling chronicle of 12 years of owning a 244.. Originally turbocharged in 2003 with an 8v iron block volvo B230FT.. Now with a Mazda/Ford MZR/Duratec 16v VVTI all aluminum engine with a ford 5R55E and standalone controls for both.

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I live in Virginia way down in the country.. Little place called Mangohick.

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*update*
The mazdaspeed / duratec engine swap has been completed and is running well.


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I've had my 244 since April of 2000. It's my second Volvo. This is my first attempt at building a streetable high performance volvo. When I first got the car it had 160k on the clock and it was bone stock with an automagic, cruise, A/C, and power windows. I drove it stock for a few years after I graduated. enough to add around 140k to the clock ticking in just around 300k on the old motor.

Over a two year period I wrote down different build options and weighed my wallet closely while aquiring parts to make my car handle better and look like less of an ATV. First on the list was IPD sways and poly torque rod bushings. Next came Bilstein HD struts and shocks. The final phase of my suspension work was putting on TME springs, Upper strut brace, Firewall braces, and lower subframe connectors. I'm not too fond of automatic trannys so I got my dirty paws on a low milage M-47, pedal cluster and cable. Everyone knows stock seats blow donkeys so I called up racing seats dot com and ordered some Corbeau Forzas and I opted for drivers inflatable lumbar. Rear headrests were removed. Wheel wise I loved the 10 spokes on my car in the following pic but I sold them with a 242tic... bummer.

This picture was taken at UTI in Houston Fall of 2003 with all suspension work done just before 'the big payback'
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"The big payback"
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December 2003 I finally got all of my effin ducks in a row and decided to tackle turboing my car.. I got my head back from the shop, Ported, new seals, 5 angle valve job, and it was decked down three thou and it received a whimpy lil VX cam along with an IPD cam gear. New Gaskets were installed throughout the shortblock, no bottom end work has been done to my car, no rings, bearings or balancing. Actually the bottom end sat in the rain for 3 months behind a friends house while the head was at the shop. Engine was assembled and a challenging task was staring me right in the face.. how to mount my crank pickup to drive my injectors and waste spark coil packs. Kevin Midkiff provided a large amount of assistance in this area. Kevin drew out a plate on autocad and machined it out of 6061 aluminum, drilled my crank pulley and installed the 2 trigger magnets and 1 reverse polarity sync magnet needed to let my SDS EFI know wtf my rotating assembly is doing. After these hurdles had been crossed it was on to the physical manual labor.

Enter Kevin agian. Hats off to Kevin and lil-Q for opening their garage and their home whole heartedly to a stranger. At this point everything I needed was there. Except an exhaust system... yeah. First downpipe was 3 peices of 2.5" steel tubing that Kevins dad welded with a torch and a coathanger, definitely didnt know you could do that until that day but hey.. learn somthin new every day. Okay so we've got a built motor from throttle body to coolant hose comin off the lil 13c and everything inbetween including, a IpD rear cam plate, brand new head gasket, used head bolts, deleted IAC motor and blocked off manifold and I/C pipe, 940 coolant tank. I used the stock 940 oil cooler for awhile but the remote setup coming off the block was leaking like mad so it got upgraded to a PermaCool dual remote setup behind the front airdam, I use Fram-PH8A ford filters (I also use them on my 960). At this point I was attending a school that had a Dyno, I had pretty good access to this and it was the ultimate tuning tool for my car aside from driving it daily. On January 28th of 04 it laid down a healthy baseline after being turbo'd for about a month; 172rwhp @ 5500 and 232 ft/lbs @ 3400rpm. This was a little more than I was hoping for with such a basic tune and conservative timing I couldn't get over how the car just seemed to pull forever driving it around. The torque isn't really accurate due to excessive spiking. The car drove well for awhile but had a fatal problem with the software version SDS was using at the time, I sent my box back via FedEx. It was returned promptly allllllllll the way from Alberta Canada repaired correctly free of charge. Thumps up to SDS for good customer service. With the cold start problem fixed I concentrated more on eliminating low speed bucks, sputters pops and bangs.

The following pics were taken a month after "the big payback"

This is a pic of the Crank trigger for SDS on my B230FT
take note of the dirt cheap P/S delete mod, and big low amperage 240 alternator. A late model 940 alternator now replaces it due to size limitations and better output.



Full interior with underpadding. Blaupunkt head unit 188w I think..? I'm not big into expensive stereos and what you kids call ICE I think driving a car like this, the turbo is all the noise you'll ever need.
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checkout the downpipe that's been welded with a torch and a coat hanger! two alternators.. hahahaha wtf. Turbo is a 13c Injectors are new units identical to Ford Lightning SVT 440cc/42lb It's plenty rich:badboy: boost was set at 9psi for tuning.
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Theres a Tropicana twister bottle creepin under the manifold that I've caught alot of flack for. Using the stock N/A air filter in this position isn't good because whatever may leak past the seal of the filter will funnel down into the neck of the turbo.. not good. I blew this turbo up on the interstate.. it died a rather nasty oil smokin death.
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Did I mention I like riding bikes? yeah I ride BMX freestyle, road and mountian so I have a tray for each on the roof.
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I don't like cats, but they pose well for pictures..
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This is how my car looked around March of '06 right before I took it apart to rebuild the motor, revise the suspension, and add a bigger turbo...
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Working on the stroker motor.. June '07
Notice the steps taken out of the M-47 9" stepped flywheel.. 28->18lbs
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Engine bay.. (circa 2004)
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Engine bay.. (circa 2008)
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[TerribleOne]

Current Modification list for my 244

(7-11-2010)
93 B230FT- unopened bottom end 170k mi.
91 530- 46/40 Knox ss valves and Hardened triple groove locks
Isky springs 130/285,
Enem C2 cam ground w/113 Lobe seperation angle 6* advance
90+ exhaust and stock gasket matched intake restrictors/manifolds
24x12x4 ebay intercooler
Tial BOV
ATP 60-1 w/.70 4" inlet housing, stg3 .82 hot side.
270whp @ 17psi.... 310whp @ 22psi on 93octane pump gas. 10%ethanol
Ultimate 3" v-band internal wastegate
Full 3" exhaust
Remote oil filters (drivers side framerail)
Siemens Deka IV 60lb/hr injectors
Stock 3bar 1:1 FPR
940 turbo intank pump
Walbro 255lph inline pump with trunk mounted fuse and relay close to battery
9" dog dish flywheel, lightened to 18 lbs
6 puck metallic unsprung clutch
Avalanche T-5 Adapter
05 mustang/Tremec T-5
Fidanza short throw shifter w/Timberjack Donkey shift knob
3" steel one piece driveshaft
3.73's with Modded G80 Auto locking diff
Kaplhenke Rear coilover conversion (modified/rewelded since somebody didn't put enough welds on them and made them way to fawking complex)
Koni adjustable rear shocks
Eibach 250lb rear springs
Bilstein HD front struts
Eibach 300lb springs
Kaplhenke control arms and camber plates
IPD 25mm sway bar
Corbeau Forza seats
Dashlogger.com digital touch screen dash with 8 stage programmable boost control
Innovate LC1 -thanks Lawrence
SDS EFI EM4F fuel injection and wasted spark ignition
Painless fuse block and chassis wiring harness
Optima Redtop relocated to right buttcheek
Garrett 30psi vac/boost gauge
SDS multicolor LED AFR readout
Turbo gauge cluster with shift light in far right hole
Radio relocated out of dash
JL front speakers, Kenwood rear, 8" sub and Rockford amp in trunk
Full interior, no underpadding, extra rust holes
Momo Hub adapter
Old school racing steering wheel
E-code headlights and half amber turn signals
Satin black hood grille and front spoiler

Overall the car has turned out pretty much as I'd planned, to have something stock appearing that's fast, but logs 400+ miles a week with minimal down time. Future mods will include a stroked B230FT with custom made intake and exhaust manifolds, Lightweight flywheel with twin disc clutch setup, Power steering, 17 or 18" wheels to fit larger tires, calipers and brakes, twin master cylinder setup, new lines, hydro handbrake with dedicated caliper? and possibly an Eaton Locker in a 8.8 ;-) I'm slowly working my way up to 400+bhp..

[swedishiron.com]

An excellent progress report!
Glad to see the love for Volvos runs in the family...

[BDKR]

Awesome write up Vince. Cool pick of you and moms too. Seeing the bike pic reminds me that i need to get air in the tires on my BMX Cruiser. My basketball too!

[TerribleOne]

Awesome write up Vince. Cool pick of you and moms too. Seeing the bike pic reminds me that i need to get air in the tires on my BMX Cruiser. My basketball too!


Gotta show respect for Mom. She makes things happen... usually belt whoopins in my case. You know.. my parents are in florida alot. like right now, maybe I'll go down there with them and meet some of you florida guys. I used to ride freestyle alot more but now I ride my road bike on the country roads around here.

[Two245Turbos]

Hey Vince,
Very nice and well planned out build up...Great to see the #'s being pumped out as you go further. Great pic of you and mom.:-D
Ron

[Neil Peart]

nice car..and your hot btw

[Two245Turbos]

nice car..and your hot btw
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[klr142]

Sweetness. *suscribing*

[Neil Peart]

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Oh no you didnt! psch...

just messin dude, I did it to stlyngle a while back, always gets a good response. Gotta add a little spice to the board every now and then.

[TerribleOne]

nice car..and your hot btw

uhm.. uh thanks.
I think I'll be taking my headshot down now.

[TerribleOne]

Hey Vince,
Very nice and well planned out build up...Great to see the #'s being pumped out as you go further. Great pic of you and mom.:-D
Ron


Thanks Ron, I love the wheels on your blue wagon. When I got these wheels they were the current color which is dark grey with black stripes.. I dont care for them too much but oh well.

[TerribleOne]

Teaser pics.. 940 bumper and spoiler.. say what?


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Me trying to get artsy
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Wiring by Kevin Midkiff and I with hacked A/C high and low lines
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Dual remote filter setup with ford PH8A filters... which by the way also works on 960s too
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[TerribleOne]

Cleaned up a lil bit. tags have been removed so no more road usage.:-(

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[Qc_Drifter]

Your car is really great !

If you have anymore pics with the 940 bumper I'd like to see !

By spoiler do you mean on the trunk or under the bumper ?

[TerribleOne]

I'm not ready to completely unvail the 940 bumper yet.. the one I have has been wrecked but it's good for a mockup to measure everything out. When I put one on it'll be painted to match the body color for a more slimming look along with more lower spoiler added underneath.

Edit: pics taken 1/19/05

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[TerribleOne]

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[Qc_Drifter]

The more I see photos of your car, the more I like it, and the more I want a 240 :p ! lol

[TerribleOne]

Thanks Qc.. It's just something I threw together.

[turboMTL]

quebec rules ! BTW nice 240 ... looks vicious with painted eyebrows

[Stephen]

Cleaned up a lil bit. tags have been removed so no more road usage.:-(

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except when you get an SC plate from 86 or something like that:rofl:

man, vince, your car is awesome! well, from what I could see when you were going about twice my speed:lol:

[stylngle2003]

i think we hit 2.5454x the ex-National speed limit a few times, and ben said he went faster than we did.

[TerribleOne]

My rev-limiter is at 6.5k and we never got past 5500 so I'm guessing around 130mph. It's alot faster when there isn't 300lbs of dead weight on the passenger side.l

[stylngle2003]

My rev-limiter is at 6.5k and we never got past 5500 so I'm guessing around 130mph. It's alot faster when there isn't 300lbs of dead weight on the passenger side.l

me- "why aren't we smoking the tires?"

vince- "cuz towery's fat ass is in the back seat...towery, we need to put you on a ****ing diet man, lose some weight!"

michael- (who weighs probably 175lbs or so) "............"

[TerribleOne]

me- "why aren't we smoking the tires?"

vince- "cuz towery's fat ass is in the back seat...towery, we need to put you on a ****ing diet man, lose some weight!"

michael- (who weighs probably 175lbs or so) "............"

I think he gains weight eating saltines and watching everyone else work. I wonder if his heartrate ever gets over 70bpm?

[Stephen]

I think he gains weight eating saltines and watching everyone else work. I wonder if his heartrate ever gets over 70bpm?


haha

[TerribleOne]

This just in...

Wired in a working (but slow) tach
1999


Got my narrow-band working and got a volt meter wired up
2000


Mounted my mixture knob in a better spot
2001


Revised shorter intake tract.
2002

[stylngle2003]

beach, you need to revise the revised shorter intake piping and make it longer :-P

[project volvo]

any pics of the 940 bumper?

[TerribleOne]

No pics of the 940 bumper. sorry.

In all reality.. I'm in the process of aquiring a 242 agian! Soon the driveline and programmable EMS will find it's home in a old rusty two door.
To be continued...

[TerribleOne]

Engine and Tranny are out.. (thanks to William *StylinGLE*) all four driveshaft bolts were loose at the pinion flange.
Center carrier bearing was completely trashed
The entire underside of my car is covered in oil
Guess it's time for a proper rebuild....

M-47 will never find it's way behind the next B230EMST, a T-5 however will.
one peice driveshaft
lincoln locker
lots more headwork
3" thick 'cooler 28" wide 17" tall with 4" end tanks thats right... I said 4" end tanks
90plush manifold flattened and studded
3" exhaust with 2 bullet mufflers and one flowmaster maybe, were going for stealth here
Bens: camber plates, control arms, coilovers, torque rods, trailing arms and panard bar.. basically everything he makes for a 240


Aiming for 300 street legal whp on pump gas

[towerymt]

all four driveshaft bolts were loose at the pinion flange.
Does rob work on your car too? :rofl: Ok, there's a chance I did it...
Center carrier bearing was completely trashed
Sounds familiar, if it sounds like the rear end in my car.
The entire underside of my car is covered in oil
Should we start a usergroup for this ever growing club?
M-47 will never find it's way behind the next B230EMST, a T-5 however will.
My M47 has gotten so bad that I'm looking forward to destroying it with a little more power.
3" exhaust with 2 bullet mufflers and one flowmaster maybe, were going for stealth here
Why not add some lead ballast while you're at it...
Bens: camber plates, control arms, coilovers, torque rods, trailing arms and panard bar.. basically everything he makes for a 240
Gonna suck when I beat you around any paved course you can find, what with all your suspension bling and all. :-P
Aiming for 300 street legal whp on pump gas
Is this a hypothetical, or will you actually register/insure it this time? :lol:

[stylngle2003]

if he is making that kind of yank, you can bet he'll have it to drive around.

hehe, im one of the few who have seen his new turbo and IC :badboy:

when it spools, hang on

[TerribleOne]

Gonna suck when I beat you around any paved course you can find, what with all your suspension bling and all. :-P

My turbo is "gonna suck" your car right through it if you happen to get in front of me while I'm waiting for boost to hit


Is this a hypothetical, or will you actually register/insure it this time? :lol:[/quote]


Yes, it will be legal.. meaning I have to hook my brake litghts and wiper motor.

[stylngle2003]

well, and pass inspection

[Dug strickler]

That thing is starting to look pretty cool. I'm gonna take a VA trip when I finally get all the bugs worked out of my car. I'd like to meet up with all you VA guys. I would bring my bike too.:-P

[TerribleOne]

I guess I'm making progress..
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It'll probably be a year or so before this beast(that big a88 turbo) inhales life into a freshly machined air pump(rebuilt engine)
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[TerribleOne]

I'm making progress.. Lawrence picked up my flywheel from the machine shop the other day.. came out pretty well.

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[CAPT_BLOTTO]

woah 10 lbs difference!

[stylngle2003]

looks nice as hell!

post one of those lists of what you still need to do :oogle:

[TerribleOne]

Oh.. the lists.

Big objectives are as follows..


Clean the underside of the car
Repair rust holes behind drivers seat
Rewire body harness with Painless wiring kit
Overhaul engine with new rings, bearings, oil pump, seals, gaskets etc..
Overhaul M-47 (don't ask me why) with new synchros and bearings
Plumbing to new turbo.. oil, water, exhaust, intake and charge air piping..
Plumbing for oil cooler and dual remote filter adapter..
Find 3.5" filter to fit to turbo inlet
Install front coilovers, camber plates and control arms
Begin preliminary pahse of rollcage install, harness bar and suspension mount reinforcement..
Stainless braided front brake lines, flush system with fresh oil
Waiting on clutchnet to get my clutch right.. 9" Kevlar disc w/yellow pressure plate
Find a shift knob that I like for when I cut down Dales short shifter and have shifter threaded to knob
New 960 all metal radiator
Plumb Intercooler (24"x12"x4" with 3" endtank openings)
Have Tial bov flange welded to cold side I/C pipe
Have driveshaft balanced
Reinstall engine/trans and trailer car to exhaust shop for full 3" w/ 3 mufflers
Get car inspected and registered..

Hopefully this should all happen before May 18th

[klr142]

Dayum. That's quite a list!

And with three mufflers, how are you going to know if your engine's running or not? :-P

[Vincent]

Dayum. That's quite a list!

And with three mufflers, how are you going to know if your engine's running or not? :-P

I'm going for the sleeper appeal. I'm kinda paranoid about getting pulled over for having a loud car, it's not fun or amusing.. Especially when you have a VERY illegal car, tickets pile up quickly!

[klr142]

True, but still, I think that a 3" turbo back from MVP is almost quiet with only one 16" long 6"(or 7"?) round Magnaflow on it. You could sneak a larger oval, main muffler on that somewhere and a smaller round and I think it'd be pretty silent. But hey, with three, you know you can't go wrong... :) I wonder what it'll sound like.

[TerribleOne]

I'm not quite sure what it will sound like as I'm going from a 2.5" turbine outlet to a full 3" v-band deal and I'll be running a K cam instead of the VX thats in there now..
It loped pretty hard at 750rpm with a VX and no idle air control..

[stylngle2003]

i can't wait to hear what this thing sounds like

(esp. the BOV)

[Tabor]

nice car..and your hot btw

If he looks any thing like his engine bay, then yes. Vince is teh sex.

[TerribleOne]

Crankshaft is off at the machine shop being polished balanced..
Head is at the machine shop as well getting top secret:oogle: modifications..
Fuse block is in the car but not mounted yet..
Round headlights and grille have been aquired as have headlight holders and adjusters..

This week I'll be working on routing and terminating the Painless harness wires at their correct destinations and fabbing a sheetmetal bulkhead for the back seat..

..more updates to follow!

[towerymt]

how much longer will the sleeper be sleeping? debut at carlisle, 3rd week of may?

[stylngle2003]

call me manana if you want help...i'm outta work at 1030am...got a lil to do on my car, but i'd like to cut rear springs if possible

[TerribleOne]

how much longer will the sleeper be sleeping? debut at carlisle, 3rd week of may?

I'm hoping to have it out of the garage by middle of April so I can tune it with the new forged piston/werked head/monster turbo/4"cooler/3"exhaust super combo.

[TerribleOne]

Oh yeah.. I got the fuse box in the car last night and cut the glove box as necessary.. I'll post pics of my progress later tonite..

[TerribleOne]

Fuse block is mounted and wires are being routed and terminated... It's not really as painless as it sounds..

I also found another weight on the bolt in bulkhead panel.. didn't weigh it, but I feel like it was worth the time I put into drilling the spot welds out of it to remove it.

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[TerribleOne]

So it's the middle of April and my car is out of the garage.. because I moved it over to Fidel and Bne's shop to finish the wiring and interior.

Just chatted with Stu over at the machine shop and finalized plans for the engine. It's basically gonna be a stock rebuild with nice rings and bearings. I'm dropping the CR down to 8.2:1 and I'm gonna get the exhaust opened up on the head and matched to the manifold.

I also need to start collecting some 3" tubing for the exhaust and another muffler

The front end of the car is gonna be a little different, I guess I'll throw in some teaser pics along with some other "unknown goodies" that'll be installed underneath the car...

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We all know what this means..
NICKEL PLEASE!
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[growley]

We all know what this means..
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You're going straightedge?

[stylngle2003]

We all know what this means..


You're going straightedge?


it means that all the ladies i have spoken to about vince have been right...he likes upside down triangles :rofl:

[TerribleOne]

it means that all the ladies i have spoken to about vince have been right...he likes upside down triangles :rofl:


[Hater voice]..Thats very insulting what you said about my trailing arms.

StylnGLE does stunts for CarrotTop in gay movies on the weekends..[/Hater voice]

[towerymt]

ready in time for carlisle?

[TerribleOne]

ready in time for carlisle?

YUP!

More random goodies before they actually go onto the car...

18lb Stepped 9" flywheel with StageII pressure plate and Sprung Kevlar disc.. Balanced to perfection
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Rear coilovers.. Drag racing one day.. DD the next at the spin of a perch!
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90+ manifold, opened generously (10+hours runners and collector) machined flat for generic T-3 and bigger studs fitted (I have the part number around here for the studs)
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[klr142]

You think adjusting the height of the rear end is going to help drag racing that much? Are those repairs on the first and second runners?

10 hours into a 90+ is a good chunk... :)

And are you going to clean up the head/block before you actually toss it all together? :-P

[TerribleOne]

You think adjusting the height of the rear end is going to help drag racing that much? Are those repairs on the first and second runners?

10 hours into a 90+ is a good chunk... :)

And are you going to clean up the head/block before you actually toss it all together? :-P

It's not about height adjustment for me, it's more about preload and weight transfer..

No, the manifold hasn't been repaired, It's a special R-sport model from Sweden

Read above, I'm waiting for my block and crank to come back from the machine shop.. thats just a spare block I had laying around in the garage.

It would be nice to have my stuff back from the machine shop..:grrr:

[socalsean]

It's not about height adjustment for me, it's more about preload and weight transfer..

No, the manifold hasn't been repaired, It's a special R-sport model from Sweden

Read above, I'm waiting for my block and crank to come back from the machine shop.. thats just a spare block I had laying around in the garage.

It would be nice to have my stuff back from the machine shop..:grrr:

What makes it's a "special R-sport" manifold?

[Volvorules]

What makes it's a "special R-sport" manifold?

It's called a "special R-sport" JOKE.

Ha. Ha.

[blkaplan]

how bout some progress,

[TerribleOne]

You want some progress??

okay..

New rods came in today..
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[242Bleek]

:wtf: What is that for?

[TerribleOne]

:wtf: What is that for?

It's just a joke dude, they aren't going in my car.. They're similar to the rods used in the engine that I got my T3/T4 from.. 8.1 litre diesel rods ;-)

[TerribleOne]

Probably should've gone with the A, but what the hell.. I dont mind downshifting..
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Nice and smooooood
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[Volvorules]

I loved the K cam in my Bertone, but I did have a tiny ass 15G in it, so...

[242Bleek]

Nice, what all did you have done to the head? 3 angle? larger valves? looks great

[TerribleOne]

Nice, what all did you have done to the head? 3 angle? larger valves? looks great


The head has been ported per a cheat sheet from some swedish dude, 3 angle valve job, and exhaust valves are 38mm. Valve springs are Isky double springs, I don't have the rates in front of me, but when it's together I'll post all the facts.

Teh block finally landed in my hands today so I can start putting the drivetrain in the car sans the head, which is still at the machine shop. Looks like I may have a running car by tuesday???:nod:

[TerribleOne]

Last time I saw something this beautiful I was dreaming
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What's that? Dems aint 13mm rods:omg:
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Awwwwwwww YESSS I DIIIIID
Eagle rods for a misterbitchy, offset ground crank..
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[TerribleOne]

Engine is almost ready to go in..
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Had to modify wastegate bracket because the WG was right in the way of the oil drain.
The one on the right is mucho grande shorter and useless
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Shift light, no pills.. just a dial. 7500 should be about right..
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[Stereophile33]

Vince, off the top of your head, do you know what the stroke becomes with those rods? And how long were they? Everything is looking nice....is that m47 gonna handle the abuse?
Jonathan

[242Bleek]

Lookin great man, that bitch will ride out.

[Aoder1]

looks great! cant wait to see the finished product

[Gregerivn]

Seems to be coming along pretty fast. Im jealous!

[TerribleOne]

The engine is in the car finally, however there are many hurdles ahead of me. The biggest one being that I cant' attach my crossmember to the chassis until I do something with the strut tower so the turbo doesn't act as a third engine mount.
I finally got a shift knob and Lawrence was kind enough to thread it for me, I promise you, you've never seen one of these knobs on a Volvo.
I replaced the guibo last night and pressed off the old driveshaft carrier bearing and installed a new unit. I have pretty much everything lined up to go into the car but I still have at least another 25-30 hours to put into the car before it'll pass my personal inspection to be a road bound vehicle. I'm still debating caging the car prior to putting it on the road since it's already down and in the shop.. any opinions or questions are welcome.



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As Towery said "Ze turbo.. she is to big no?"
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[stylngle2003]

don't cage it yet, just leave the interior mostly disassembled, like it was the last time it ran

i say don't, bc you don't have racing seats befitting of a caged car (back braces and stuff) and you'd just have to redo it when you get some EVOs down the line

downpipe's gonna be close, no?

[SteveMD]

Nice valve cover finish. Need an early steel oil fill cap to match. BFH not an option for turbo/strut tower clearance?

[TerribleOne]

It was a pleasure to meet you the other day Steve! If you have an early oil cap with the pcv vent on it I'd like to get my hands on one as thats the only one I'd like to change to.
I got the die grinder and an air chisel to the strut tower in a thread in the showroom :oogle:

[JW240]

looks great!
nice to see a build with attention to detail lol :-P

[rom]

angrytape!

[towerymt]

Is it called a sleeper because it never wakes up?

I might have a spare B18/B20 oil cap. Although I bet Lawrence has one.

Only cage it if you plan to wreck it. But if you're gonna wreck it, don't waste all that time caging it!

[klr142]

Only cage it if you plan to wreck it. But if you're gonna wreck it, don't waste all that time caging it!
So your advice would be... :rofl: That's great!

[TerribleOne]

Is it called a sleeper because it never wakes up?

I might have a spare B18/B20 oil cap. Although I bet Lawrence has one.

Only cage it if you plan to wreck it. But if you're gonna wreck it, don't waste all that time caging it!


"I'm takin my time, just movin along. Dont forget about me after I've been gone"
-Boston

[TerribleOne]

This week progress has been quite lethargic unfortunately as I was sick from Sunday until Wednesday evening. I pulled the intake to get to the oil pump drive to prime it. I also haven't gotten around to putting on new heater hoses and routing my engine bay and headlight wiring through the drivers side of the bulkhead. This week I'm gonna try to get around to hard custom wiring the tail lights soldering. Hopefully with everyones help I should have the car together by next week or so ;-)

[towerymt]

I pulled the intake to get to the oil pump drive to prime it. I also haven't gotten around to putting on new heater hoses and routing my engine bay and headlight wiring...
Why not put a drill on the intermediate shaft? While the intake is off, install those heater hoses. Do you have the drain hose from the breather box down into the pan? I didn't install one and everything has been fine so far. I didn't want a rubber hose hanging into the pan since it will eventually break down.

[TerribleOne]

Why not put a drill on the intermediate shaft? While the intake is off, install those heater hoses. Do you have the drain hose from the breather box down into the pan? I didn't install one and everything has been fine so far. I didn't want a rubber hose hanging into the pan since it will eventually break down.


I'd prefer not to f'up my timing vs taking my manifold off which I'd planned to do anyway to facilitate the installation of heater hoses, wiring and screwing in my temp senders. Plus if you drive the oil pump directly you give the intermediate shaft bearings break as they're new too. (intermediate shaft bearings aren't easy to find sometimes)

I did not install a drain hose from my breather box either, I wasn't big on the idea of having something rubber inside my crankcase either. The one I took out of the block was hard as a rock and I didn't plan on spending the money on a new one.

I've gotta remember to buy oil today and order my senders so I can prime it and get into SDS EMS wiring this weekend.. which is mostly done with the exception of adjusting the length of a few connectors.

[Hank Scorpio]

I'd prefer not to f'up my timing vs taking my manifold off which I'd planned to do anyway to facilitate the installation of heater hoses, wiring and screwing in my temp senders. Plus if you drive the oil pump directly you give the intermediate shaft bearings break as they're new too. (intermediate shaft bearings aren't easy to find sometimes)

I did not install a drain hose from my breather box either, I wasn't big on the idea of having something rubber inside my crankcase either. The one I took out of the block was hard as a rock and I didn't plan on spending the money on a new one.

I've gotta remember to buy oil today and order my senders so I can prime it and get into SDS EMS wiring this weekend.. which is mostly done with the exception of adjusting the length of a few connectors.

Your not going to spin the shaft enough to hurt new bearings. I usually just do it on the engine stand with a speedwrench (ie by hand) before I throw the belt on.

[TerribleOne]

I knocked off work around 5 yesterday and worked on my car until midnight. Filled the engine up with Rotella T 15-40. I got the oil pump primed and hooked up a gauge to check it, 40psi on low drill speed and 65psi with it floored, NO LEAKS! I finally found the weight for my clutch fork so I installed the cable and set it up to my prefrences with a two stage return spring. For oil pressure I decided to drill and tap my oil filter pod since it was off the car. Today I'm gonna get on wiring so I can get it running sometime next week.




Your not going to spin the shaft enough to hurt new bearings. I usually just do it on the engine stand with a speedwrench (ie by hand) before I throw the belt on.

But you also aren't gonna spin it fast enough to get a good oil pressure reading that way either.. It's cheap insurance and peace of mind.

[klr142]

:-D Sounds good man! Almost there!

[Hank Scorpio]

But you also aren't gonna spin it fast enough to get a good oil pressure reading that way either.. It's cheap insurance and peace of mind.

You'd be surprized. I'd do it on the stand with everything hooked up (a non-oil cooler filter assembly on) and a pressure gauge and it'd pressurize up just fine. I dont try to prime the piss out of it, I don't want it to wash out any assembly lube ect. All I do is prime it at a fairly low PSI till I can see oil coming out in the head where it should, ect.

[towerymt]

You'd be surprized. I'd do it on the stand with everything hooked up (a non-oil cooler filter assembly on) and a pressure gauge and it'd pressurize up just fine. I dont try to prime the piss out of it, I don't want it to wash out any assembly lube ect. All I do is prime it at a fairly low PSI till I can see oil coming out in the head where it should, ect.
I think we're satisfied with oil coming out from where it should, indicating that oil is pumping, whereas he wants to see presssure at 4000rpm. ;-)

[TerribleOne]

Saturday I went in around 10 and worked most of the day unclusterfuxing the SDS wiring that was sitting in a box, got that all straight and through the bulkhead. I almost forgot to put my oil pump drive back into the block (whoops) Then the StylinGLE stopped by with his dad and we discussed mounting options for the intercooler. If anyone needs a good consultant Billys dad is pretty handy, just hope he doesn't send me a bill in the mail. I got tired of workin on the car so hard so I left the shop and went to the skatepark to ramp up some transitions.


I think we're satisfied with oil coming out from where it should, indicating that oil is pumping, whereas he wants to see presssure at 4000rpm. ;-)

I'm more or less bench testing it for leaks, especially the turbo circuit.. you can't find leaks with only 5psi of pressure:roll:

[towerymt]

I'm more or less bench testing it for leaks, especially the turbo circuit.. you can't find leaks with only 5psi of pressure:roll:
Is this why it's still not running 5 weeks after Carlisle? :-P

If it doesn't leak at 65psi than you didn't need to have more than 5psi.

[stylngle2003]

vince, did you get that link my dad sent you (no, it's not a bill!) about the ballistic tiles?

oh and kim's dad wants to come meet you and see the shop

[Hank Scorpio]

I'm more or less bench testing it for leaks, especially the turbo circuit.. you can't find leaks with only 5psi of pressure:roll:

Vince you dont need to get so upset, not knocking what your doing. Just different reasoning behind both methods.

[BDKR]

Man, this thing is going to b awesome!

[TerribleOne]

So nothing got done on the car today.. I did however strip and paint a gas tank for a 58 drop-top Eldorado and started converting a 46 chebby pickup over to 12 volt.

Is this why it's still not running 5 weeks after Carlisle? :-P

If it doesn't leak at 65psi than you didn't need to have more than 5psi.

Don't you have a job to be doing.. oh thats right!

vince, did you get that link my dad sent you (no, it's not a bill!) about the ballistic tiles?

oh and kim's dad wants to come meet you and see the shop

Nope, didn't send it again or post it.

Vince you dont need to get so upset, not knocking what your doing. Just different reasoning behind both methods.

I'm not upset at all, I'm just 'splainin myself. I'm a very nice ******* once you get to know me ;-)

Man, this thing is going to b awesome!

You gonna be at SE?

[amargill19?]

Nice work so far Vince.

git'er'dun

[towerymt]

Don't you have a job to be doing.. oh thats right!
off til wednesday. then on thursday I go to work for kaplhenke. i hope he pays me in chicken wings...

[blkaplan]

You gonna be at SE?

are you? :lol:

[TerribleOne]

Started tackling the worst part of the wiring last weekend. Got the two main pig-tails for the cluster done and some of the engine wiring. SDS is hooked up and waiting for power. Last night I started fitting the intercooler and I think I've got it just where I want it which puts the radiator in the stock position for an intercooled car. I've been too lazy and busy to take pics but I'll put some up towards the end of the week..

[TerribleOne]

Most of the engine harness is complete and loomed. The headlights and front turn signals have been wired and grouped. This is honestly the most tedious work I've ever done in my life. I'd hate to have myself as a customer..

[TerribleOne]

93% done??

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[elyktaylor]

That coolant pipe will cause some trouble, no? probably not enough flexibility there for all the movement these engines have ...

awesome work

[tacogremlin]

I didn't know profile made strut braces

[TerribleOne]

Notice the SDS O2sensor gauge hiding overtop the fuel/coolant gauge..
That was a pain in the ass to get in there without supergluing my fingers together.
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Getting closer to being done. I know the radio is in the glovebox.. The hole for the fuse panel also provides access to the shift light calibration needle so the shift light is hidden but still within access without disassembling the dash. The mixture knob and programming module are velcro'd so when they aren't in use they're easily stowed out of sight for the sleeper appeal
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Taillights are hard wired with no printed circuit crap.. blink blin bb bli blibli blink
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I'm cute.
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[LeeH]

Wow looks real clean. Are the wiring diagrams for these cars easy to get a hold of? This is something I would consider doing for my project given I could find the proper documentation.

Looking sick man.

[stylngle2003]

cute picture of molly

and i like your shiftknob, jackass :lol:

[TerribleOne]

Lee, the bentley manual has a seperate listing for each year of the 240. I feel this is the best manual I've come across besides the odvious green manuals which I dont own any of. I really need to blow up the pages in the bentley manual as they're sometimes difficult to trace being scaled down to fit in the book. I suggest you refrain from tearing all of the wiring out of your street car unless it's gonna be a purpose built race car. The engine harness is one thing but the body harness is kinda tricky. I've spent more time sitting and reading the past year than actually working on the car. I know the car inside and out now.. but was it really necessary? NO. I feel like I've used almost half a roll of tape labeling pigtails and splice junctions.

I also installed one side of my Kaplhenke 3" stud kit.. I'll make a seperate thread with a write up after I do the other side and remember to take pictures inbetween cussing fits with the parking brakes..


3" axle studs with 32mm of spacing..
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I think I'll go down to 25mm of spacing
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If I cut the lip the wheel well I could fit these 215 60 15's but I'll be going to a 225 so I'm gonna stick with 25mm of spacing.
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[klr142]

What's the offset on those wheels? Are those the Multi-x wheels with 20mm offset, or MSWs with even less, or...?

[towerymt]

If I cut the lip the wheel well I could fit these 215 60 15's but I'll be going to a 225 so I'm gonna stick with 25mm of spacing.
I fit 15x7 ET12 with 23mm adapters once (-11 offset). ET20 w/32mm is -12...probably couldn't do it with a decent sized tire though. 20-25mm should work though. Better have the front grip sorted out if you're going to space the rears out though.

Now I can run 26mm adapers with ET12 (-14) and still have LOTS of room. Pull the fenders and fit some real tires under there...after you make it run and drive though.

[TerribleOne]

Finally got around to finishing the tail section wiring and installing the 3" studs on the drivers side. I'll post a how to thread tomorrow..

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[TerribleOne]

Headlights and parking lights are in full effect..
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Tail lights are working..
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There are some issues with the turn signal indicators that need to be worked out.. but the turn signals do work
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Shift light works (brighter than I thought) and I wired the seatbelt warning light to the oil pressure switch as a backup indicator..
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[TerribleOne]

I drove the car out of the garage under it's own power for the first time about 4am this morning. The trip down the driveway went pretty smoothly.. All the circuits turn off with the key now.. Clutch works well.. Gear changes are stupid short and notchy (just the way I wanted them) and the turbo.. wow! It's loud. Only problem is that the cooling fan needs a 35a fuse and all I had was a 30.. so I ate a fuse last night. Needs a hood (LAWRENCE!!!) and then I'll trailer it over to the exhaust shop for 3" exhaust with two 3" bullets and one 3" ultraflow with a V-band between the two bullets for a track dump. Intercooler piping will be fabbed up at this time as well. Can't figure out if I want personal plates for the car or not..

[TerribleOne]

Just a few pics.. Haven't had time today to work on the car, cleaning up the aftermath of the storm..

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[VQ]

Lookin good!

[TerribleOne]

Wiring is 98% done!! Radio is working now. Two JL 4.25 in the front, two infinity 6x9's in the back and one 12" rockford fosgate sub mounted behind the rear seat with a rockford amp. Shift light works after being "calibrated"..
Radiator plumbing is now all silicone and DOM steel tubing..
Interior lights are working, drivers door turns on roof light and light where foot heater ducts would be.. Passenger door turns on red big rig trailer marker light in the passenger footwell...:oogle:
Silicone couplers are in for the I/C piping so the car will go to the exhaust shop on Monday to get finished off..

Still on the list..
Get license plates for car
Clean carpet and find sound deadning
Have car inspected
Send ECU to SDS for software update and to get controller lighting option..
order 750cc+ injectors
Tune car on the street

[YLD244]

So where are you picking up your crank ref and sync signals?
Flywheel?

[stylngle2003]

vince....

license plate idea: hot-box

:lol:

[norcal505]

your 244 is ghetto hawt

[TerribleOne]

So where are you picking up your crank ref and sync signals?
Flywheel?

Crank pulley.. theres 3 magnets drilled and epoxied into the back of it..

vince....

license plate idea: hot-box

:lol:

I already get profiled because I'm black.. thats just askin for it.

your 244 is ghetto hawt

I hope that's a good thing?

[MikeJr.]

Nice work man. I'll get you your Getrag ASAP.

[growley]

vince....

license plate idea: hot-box

:lol:
That could have more than one meaning for that car;-)

Oh, and chimney exhaust FTW.

[TerribleOne]

Well the stovepipe exhaust is gone for now, and the car is off at the exhaust shop for a full 3" system with flex section and a V-band cutout for track days.. Now it's time to find a real job :roll: :grrr:

[stylngle2003]

you and me both brotha.

i wanna know when it gets back

[TerribleOne]

Exhaust is bent and installed.. very very very quiet.. Intercooler piping just needs to be welded and presto chango my car is almost done..

After it comes back from the exhaust shop I'll install the rear coilvers, trailing arms, torque rods, panhard bar and some fresh diff fluid..
Then the front end gets new outer tie rods, ball joints, fabbed control arms, short struts, weld in camber plates, new konis, and some home made lower crossmember supports.

[stylngle2003]

to all you guys who said "that'll never spool" :finger:

4th gear
0psi/vac @ 2500rpm
2-3psi @ 3000rpm
by 3200 or so, you had better be holding on to something (like the racist black glovebox lid....tryna keep mah white knees down :rofl: )
3200-4000 comes so fast, and boost goes from 2-3psi to "oh sh!t...shift light....shift" aka 12-15 in the blink of an eye.

...and he never went above 5000rpm! once its broken in and tuned a little better, redline is 7000 (or was it 7500? :-P) and the boost will really be able to be felt. he never laid into it for more than a second or two, and it's wicked

as it sits, even in an untuned and low-boost state, vince's car makes grown men giggle like prepubescent boys (it's true!). it makes women swoon and flash dey tittays. it gets grins and smiles of approval from complete strangers driving 945s. it is fast.

JohnLane says it best:
To the driver this is amusing.
+1. great work, Vince


12s, here he comes

[klr142]

Kick ass boys!

Running that much power through an engine that's trying to seal... Don't blow out any oil seals while the rings are sealing! Or any of the other things that can happen while breaking in an engine.

But that's just my opinion.

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.

So, you're first run at the drags will be in 2008, right?

I wonder, since the turbo doesn't build boost until then, what if you drive it around below 3000rpm all the time and use aggressive throttle applications? Will you get really good gas mileage?

[stylngle2003]

I think it will get good mileage once he tunes it on the load dyno. maximizing timing and minimizing fuel to get max cruising vacuum should do nicely.

as it was today, the k cam idled at 12" of vac

[klr142]

Score. :) And Billy, what the HELL are you doing awake still... :-P

Is the K cam straight up?

[stylngle2003]

still straight up. i'm going to bed!

[stylngle2003]

Vince,

When you parked in the parking lot, I heard your car from the 3rd floor hallway. And in the elevator. Dean said, and I quote "Sounds like a ****ing earthquake" :rofl:

[TerribleOne]

Vince,

When you parked in the parking lot, I heard your car from the 3rd floor hallway. And in the elevator. Dean said, and I quote "Sounds like a ****ing earthquake" :rofl:


So I guess the three muffler theory isn't really working all that well..:roll:


The car is doing great so far.. I'm about 250 miles into my breakin. I'll change the oil tomorrow for the trip to the beach and then again next week, then it should be time to start tuning..

[klr142]

What are your three mufflers?

[94teggy]

Just a few pics.. Haven't had time today to work on the car, cleaning up the aftermath of the storm..

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I have a question for you Vince...how did you do your round light conversion? Did you just cut the bottom metal piece between the bumper and headlights out and get an upper radiator support from a flathood? I got headlights and shrouds from a '79 242 and I'm just trying to figure out what else I need in order to make it work without getting the fenders, bumper, turn signals, etc....since I'm a newb to the Volvo thing haha.

[TerribleOne]

What are your three mufflers?

4.25" V-Band Turbo outlet to, 3' mandrel, 3" flex section, 3" mandrel... Two 3" dynomax bullets, and one round 3" dynomax ultraflow with a 4" mandrel elbow out the stock location..

I have a question for you Vince...how did you do your round light conversion? Did you just cut the bottom metal piece between the bumper and headlights out and get an upper radiator support from a flathood? I got headlights and shrouds from a '79 242 and I'm just trying to figure out what else I need in order to make it work without getting the fenders, bumper, turn signals, etc....since I'm a newb to the Volvo thing haha.

I used an entire front clip from a pre 85 car sans the fenders.. which I still need to get because the turn signals aren't attached to any effin thing..

[94teggy]

I used an entire front clip from a pre 85 car sans the fenders.. which I still need to get because the turn signals aren't attached to any effin thing..

Ok so if I get the upper radiator support along with the headlight housings that bolt to the support I should be able to remove the piece under the headlights and it work?

Here's what I've got right now:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/jj90210/Volvo/Picture009.jpg

So if I pop these rivets out on each side:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/jj90210/Volvo/09-28-07_1730.jpg

Then this piece under the headlights should come out?
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/jj90210/Volvo/09-28-07_1731.jpg

In your pics it looks like you just cut it out? Which looks a little cleaner since there's still some material under the turn signals...but it'd be easier for me to drill the rivets out and that'd get me what I want until I can pick up the fenders and everything else.

Also would the hood I have still latch with the radiator support from a flathood?

Thanks for your help in advance...I'm just trying to get a feel for all my options on this

[klr142]

4.25" V-Band Turbo outlet to, 3' mandrel, 3" flex section, 3" mandrel... Two 3" dynomax bullets, and one round 3" dynomax ultraflow with a 4" mandrel elbow out the stock location..
Dayum. :oogle: It's a good thing them bullets are pretty cheap, mine doesn't seem to be helping too much either. I'm still surprised it's that loud though. Are you going to do anything about it? How is it inside the car?

An earthquake is pretty cool though...

[TerribleOne]

First night out on the new setup
15.5 @ 93mph

Needless to say, open diffs suck! ..and so do my driving skillz!

[Redwood Chair]

Yes you need to drill out the rivets to change the front fenders or valance,unless you swap in the whole front clip.

[TerribleOne]

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[YLD244]

looking good buddy, whats going on with the badge?

[Vol242vo]

You did a very nice job shaving the bay!

[blkaplan]

the car definitely needs moar boost. it never really kicks into boost. justs reasonably quick around 4800 rpm-6000 rpm. If you do as you say and put the turbo into its normal operating pressure ratios, ~ 30 psi.... it should take on a new life.

Is it fully broken in yet?

[spruill242]

i think he needs to get it tuned and get used to it at 15 psi before he throws 25 psi at it.
you think itll spool a little faster once he gets it tuned?
riding with vince, cruising in 4th at 2500 rpm, stomping on it itll come into boost by 3800-4200 and it pulls really nice up till he shifts ( i cant remember where your shifting at vince ) which i think is right for that k cam hes running. the car is fun to drive and ride in. everything was done very well. good show vince, good show. it makes me smile ( and bitches love the smilies ;-) )

[Karl Buchka]

LOVE the engine bay. If I can get mine about as shaved I'll be ecstatic.

[TerribleOne]

Well.. I finally got another trans under the car and I took it for a drive.. it really took my stress level down a few notches. The new trans clicks into 1st so smoothly mmmmm.
I'll take some time next week and write up a summary since I haven't updated my project thread lately.

T-1

[MrBill]

Well.. I finally got another trans under the car and I took it for a drive.. it really took my stress level down a few notches. The new trans clicks into 1st so smoothly mmmmm.
I'll take some time next week and write up a summary since I haven't updated my project thread lately.

T-1
looks like the car is ready for novemeber 11th, congrats.
:)
Good to hear its running again

[TerribleOne]

Well I finally got some time today to clean up my workshop and made some space for my sleeper to hibernate for the winter.
Them damn VW/AUDI kids come over to my house and paint up my engine stand and leave my stand tied up for a month n siht..
The general diagnosis is that while away at the exhaust shop.. the kind gentlemen there blew the fuel pump fuse and couldn't start the car, realized it had no fuel and went into my fuel map and jacked up all of my cold start values making my car run excessively rich during warmup.. which is when it died on me. The cylinders are chocked full of carbon and were pretty wet when I pulled the head off.
Since the car is down I'm gonna go ahead and upgrade/modify a few things..

SDS software needs to be sent back for update and a backlit programmer.
Bigger injectors are a must
Tap block for AN fitting at turbo oil return
Have pistons cut down to acheive 7.8:1 SCR
Possibly add oil squirters to block..
T-5 swap, driveshaft, adapter, disc etc..
Install Kaplhenke rear suspension
Replace diff with something less open minded
Install new ball joints, control arms, tie rods (finally found them) and camber plates

Back to the salt mines..

[DecalServiceBrett]

needs maor pictars?

[towerymt]

Have pistons cut down to acheive 7.8:1 SCR
What is the current compression ratio?

[MrBill]

mod list in sig says 8.2:1 JE slugs,

why are you shooting for even lower? I was slighty freaked out when towery told me the 531 i have has the biggest combustion chambers of the redblock heads, giving me like a 7.7ish ratio with the JVAB penta stuff i have.

Edit: the new SDS includes that neat-o closed-loop stuff right?

[stylngle2003]

i'm against the lower compression ratio as well, i think if anything, going higher by means of tighter squish with a MLS headgasket would be the ticket (~8.5:1) , but Vince likes to use the HG as a fuse for the rest of the engine, which I can understand.


needs to add "install coilovers up front as well" to the list.

and "fix 'speed holes' in floorboards" too :lol:

[TerribleOne]

mod list in sig says 8.2:1 JE slugs,

why are you shooting for even lower? I was slighty freaked out when towery told me the 531 i have has the biggest combustion chambers of the redblock heads, giving me like a 7.7ish ratio with the JVAB penta stuff i have.

Edit: the new SDS includes that neat-o closed-loop stuff right?

Reasons...
I have a huge turbo.
I like lots of boost with adequate timing on pump fuel.
I don't have access to running C16 or equivalent fuel like higher compression "high tech" turbo systems on later model race cars.
By having a lower CR it'll allow me the freedom to run 15-18psi on 93 octane with plenty of timing. You may ponder, why dont you just run less boost than that and more timing? Short answer, the car is setup to be driven on the street for leisure and easily morphed into a high boost high RPM car for 1/4 mile usage. It's not an autocross or corner to corner car, it's a straight line car. If I built an autocross car, it'd be responsive and work it's magic from 2000-6000rpm instead of 3500-7500rpm.

I've had closed loop on my SDS since '03. The RPM vs WB/02 datalogging is the new feature I'm after.

i'm against the lower compression ratio as well, i think if anything, going higher by means of tighter squish with a MLS headgasket would be the ticket (~8.5:1) , but Vince likes to use the HG as a fuse for the rest of the engine, which I can understand.


needs to add "install coilovers up front as well" to the list.

and "fix 'speed holes' in floorboards" too :lol:

8.5:1 SCR doesn't jive with my setup you turkey.. If it was a DD street car yeah.. I'd be running a small turbo, short duration lower lift cam, and 8.7:1 CR.

You can't make me cover up my fart ventilator..

[DecalServiceBrett]

8.5:1 SCR doesn't jive with my setup you turkey..



:rofl::rofl:

sigg action!

[TerribleOne]

Heres a nice article to read concerning CR's and turbos from people who have experience building these motors (http://www.sdsefi.com/techmods.htm)

"Turbocharged Engines for the Street

Turbos are a different ball of wax but many of the same mistakes are made when modifying them. Most of the same power increasing methods from above can also be applied to turbo engines. Because turbo engines usually have lower compression ratios than atmo engines, they do not take kindly to hot cams on the street. The gain in top end will almost always be offset by a huge loss in the lower powerband and more turbo lag. Stock cams are the way to go on most turbo street engines. Don't waste your money on so called "turbo cams" for 4 and 6 cylinder engines. These may boost economy slightly but they almost always lose power. Most of these were designed by guesswork rather than by actual turbo experience. 4 Valve engines in general when turbocharged do not need hotter cams for the street.

Porting a turbo head will make the same type of gains as on an atmo head despite what some people say. You can make the same power with less boost or more power with the same boost.

To obtain higher than stock outputs, the compression ratio should be LOWERED on a street turbo. This will permit higher boost with optimized timing on low octane fuel. Forged pistons are an excellent idea on turbos as they have 2-3 times the strength and heat dissipation of cast pistons. Forged connecting rods, colder spark plugs and stronger head gaskets are also recommended.

Stock turbos are usually sized for mid range torque and are undersized even for stock top end power. Compressor and turbine size upgrades are needed to realize substantial power gains. Going too large on turbos will lead to poor low end response. Turbos need to be properly matched for the application and primary intended usage. A couple of rules of thumb can be used if you have access to a compressor map. HP X 1.62 = airflow in CFM, HP divided by 8.07 = airflow in lbs./min. Avoid matching for efficiencies of under 65% at full power and operation near the surge line also.

Intercooling is extremely important. Stock intercoolers with a few exceptions are total crap when used for performance applications.They offer low efficiencies and high pressure drop. Install a properly matched core from Spearco. The closer that your charge temperature is to the ambient temperature, the higher the HP potential will be.

Finally, boost pressures can be raised to increase engine airflow and power. This can only be done within the limitations of the fuel octane rating and ignition timing. Read the other tech articles relating to combustion and fuel for a better understanding. In any case, running 20 psi on the street is relatively meaningless. High boost pressure does not necessarily mean high HP. If you are running this kind of boost on the street, you probably have a host of mismatched or restrictive parts on your engine. With properly matched components and an efficient intercooler, one rarely needs to exceed 15 psi on the street. With these in place, you will be at the safe mechanical limits of most stock based engines and HP will be doubled or tripled over stock. Check out some of the cars on our project page prepared at Racetech if you don't believe this. Since engine life will plummet once you exceed this type of output, it is not a viable option for most people to be rebuilding an engine every 10,000 miles. You don't have a streetable engine in my opinion at this point."

[towerymt]

Don't waste your money on so called "turbo cams" for 4 and 6 cylinder engines. These may boost economy slightly but they almost always lose power. Most of these were designed by guesswork rather than by actual turbo experience.

To obtain higher than stock outputs, the compression ratio should be LOWERED on a street turbo. This will permit higher boost with optimized timing on low octane fuel.

Going too large on turbos will lead to poor low end response. Turbos need to be properly matched for the application and primary intended usage.

In any case, running 20 psi on the street is relatively meaningless. High boost pressure does not necessarily mean high HP. If you are running this kind of boost on the street, you probably have a host of mismatched or restrictive parts on your engine. With properly matched components and an efficient intercooler, one rarely needs to exceed 15 psi on the street.
Do you believe their generalizations as it applies to Volvos?

We can get turbo cams that work.

We already have turbo engines so lower compression is not needed (unless starting with a n/a engine, and even then it's a point one can argue forever).

Who do I know with a too-large turbo?

What boost pressure do you intend to run?

If you should only run 15psi, then why not make the compression ratio as high as it can stand with the octane level you can use?

The B21FT was 7.5:1, so if you take their word for it, you should go even lower. :-P

[stylngle2003]

they reccomend stronger headgaskets too! so get that cometic i was talking about :-D

[DecalServiceBrett]

The B21FT was 7.5:1, so if you take their word for it, you should go even lower. :-P

my b21ft with the ultra low compression rocked when it got the boosts, I wouldn't trade ultra low comp for anything :D

[RvolvoR]

see hockey930's car...20 psi....9.8:1 CR...HX35/40...engine's runnin just fine

[MrBill]

see hockey930's car...20 psi....9.8:1 CR...HX35/40...engine's runnin just fine

i think vince, once hes done with the next round of repairs and stuff, will be shooting for a number a bit higher than hockey's

And how much headroom does hockey have with that 9.8:1? I mean if his head could flow more, would it be able to make more, or is he had that point right now detonation?

Just curious.

[klr142]

my b21ft with the ultra low compression rocked when it got the boosts, I wouldn't trade ultra low comp for anything :DOnly because you don't know any better, or worse.
see hockey930's car...20 psi....9.8:1 CR...HX35/40...engine's runnin just fine
Not for 100,000+ miles, but then again, I don't think Vince is building an engine to last that long either.

Vince, you DO realize that you're going to be increasing squish clearance, correct? I'm quite positive that putting a headgasket on there that allows decent squish will work better in EVERY way than going through the hassle of shaving your current pistons down and increasing the piston-head gap.

[TerribleOne]

Do you believe their generalizations as it applies to Volvos?

We can get turbo cams that work.

I think the A or B cam would be great for turbo usage.. and those are technically stock cams, just not stock turbo cams.

We already have turbo engines so lower compression is not needed (unless starting with a n/a engine, and even then it's a point one can argue forever).

Well stock low compression turbo CR's are too low when you're going over stock turbo boost levels with bigger turbos and more fuel.

Who do I know with a too-large turbo?

I know you ain't talkin 'bout me!

What boost pressure do you intend to run?

14-17 on pump gas and 25+ on better fuel

If you should only run 15psi, then why not make the compression ratio as high as it can stand with the octane level you can use?

Because I'm not planning on running 15psi all the time

The B21FT was 7.5:1, so if you take their word for it, you should go even lower. :-P

they reccomend stronger headgaskets too! so get that cometic i was talking about :-D

I reccomend a tall glass of stfu for you sir.


see hockey930's car...20 psi....9.8:1 CR...HX35/40...engine's runnin just fine

Why can't I just be me huh? Why can't a nigga build a muffafuggin low compression turbo motor without everyone and his mom that hasn't built 20 of them telling me I need to raise my compresson. Every dude with grey hair that I've talked to that's built dozens of blower/turbo engines agrees with me.. you young internet jockeys are the only ones telling me otherwise which leads me to follow my common sense and listen to the old guys.

Any further questions?

[RvolvoR]

how much do you like lag an ****ty off boost performance?

[stylngle2003]

he values on boost performance much more, and wants his motor to be dead reliable at 30psi. that's all im gonna say

[242GTMD]

how much do you like lag an ****ty off boost performance?
Rob's motor is something like 8.2:1. Discuss...

Why can't I just be me huh? Why can't a nigga build a muffafuggin low compression turbo motor without everyone and his mom that hasn't built 20 of them telling me I need to raise my compresson. Every dude with grey hair that I've talked to that's built dozens of blower/turbo engines agrees with me.. you young internet jockeys are the only ones telling me otherwise which leads me to follow my common sense and listen to the old guys.
Vince, go as low as you want. The coolest car I have ever ridden in was a slantnose porsche with 6.7:1 comp and a huge ass turbo. It may not be "optimal" but its still fun as ****. Screw everyone else.

[TerribleOne]

how much do you like lag an ****ty off boost performance?

It's a 2.5 litre 4 cylinder... I don't think it's lacking in the off boost performance

he values on boost performance much more, and wants his motor to be dead reliable at 30psi. that's all im gonna say

"let the good times roll.."

Rob's motor is something like 8.2:1. Discuss...


Vince, go as low as you want. The coolest car I have ever ridden in was a slantnose porsche with 6.7:1 comp and a huge ass turbo. It may not be "optimal" but its still fun as ****. Screw everyone else.

Thanks, it's about time somebody value my decision to blaze my own trail. 6.7:1 ..now theres a SCR with some room for improvement.. and by improvement I mean boost :oogle:

[towerymt]

How long before it's 0.0:1 compression, all jet turbine?

[spruill242]

Buddy...go after what you want... that car was damn fun how it sat when I drove it. I can't wait till you get it how you want it. Then Ill get you to V.I.R or maybe towery can talk you into running up to Summit Point. But only when you think your ready big boy.....:-P

[TerribleOne]

How long before it's 0.0:1 compression, all jet turbine?

I'm shooting for having it down there by the time we get a black president.. Oprah maybe?

Buddy...go after what you want... that car was damn fun how it sat when I drove it. I can't wait till you get it how you want it. Then Ill get you to V.I.R or maybe towery can talk you into running up to Summit Point. But only when you think your ready big boy.....:-P


Yeah.. when you drove it, it was running. It was fun then.

[RvolvoR]

you know you could run less boost and more CR and have more power(fun) everywhere...probably a good idear unless you go to an auto

[klr142]

you know you could run less boost and more CR and have more power(fun) everywhere...probably a good idear unless you go to an auto
Eh, there are many manual equipped cars out there that do just fine with their huge turbos and low compression. It's all about preference. And what you personally think. There are multiple ways to doing things, and at certain extremes there aren't as many options.

In any case, there isn't a HUGE need for an auto. You can still have fun with a manual transmissioned version. Think launch control, and the ability to flat shift as well. That turbo doesn't have to stop spinning in between each shift.

[TerribleOne]

you know you could run less boost and more CR and have more power(fun) everywhere...probably a good idear unless you go to an auto

OR I could do my own thang like I have been doin for a long ass time.

Eh, there are many manual equipped cars out there that do just fine with their huge turbos and low compression. It's all about preference. And what you personally think. There are multiple ways to doing things, and at certain extremes there aren't as many options.

In any case, there isn't a HUGE need for an auto. You can still have fun with a manual transmissioned version. Think launch control, and the ability to flat shift as well. That turbo doesn't have to stop spinning in between each shift.


You guys are starting to sound like my dad.. if he had his way my car would only have two speeds. For what I do with the car an auto is out of the question.. I didn't go to all the trouble of doing a manual swap when I first got the car for nothin.

[stylngle2003]

"let the good times roll.."




you can only scratch someone's back for so long. what happens when i run outta finguhnails? huh? am i sposed to kiss they ass? no suh....no suh!

[Posthen]

Sorry for my bad english, but I think your choise of compression rate is exactly whre it should be. If you want a touqe monster, then you want higher compression rate but now when you use your car whit that purpose you have, why build it in a other way?
And at last, It's your car and engine, do it your way..!
And by looking on the pictures of that car and that engine bay I am impressed, you manage to get the enginebay clean from all junk and just leave the things that should be there!

[klr142]

You guys are starting to sound like my dad.. if he had his way my car would only have two speeds. For what I do with the car an auto is out of the question.. I didn't go to all the trouble of doing a manual swap when I first got the car for nothin.Uh, you do realize I was supporting you up in my post, right? :e-shrug:

[TerribleOne]

you can only scratch someone's back for so long. what happens when i run outta finguhnails? huh? am i sposed to kiss they ass? no suh....no suh!

Lesson for the day.. dont scratch someone elses back.


Sorry for my bad english, but I think your choise of compression rate is exactly whre it should be. If you want a touqe monster, then you want higher compression rate but now when you use your car whit that purpose you have, why build it in a other way?
And at last, It's your car and engine, do it your way..!
And by looking on the pictures of that car and that engine bay I am impressed, you manage to get the enginebay clean from all junk and just leave the things that should be there!

Thanks, your english is fine. I appreciate the comments and encouragement. I like the shaved look.. on cars too.

Uh, you do realize I was supporting you up in my post, right? :e-shrug:

Oh my bad, I have this way of typing out my rants like I'm pissed off.. but I wasn't at you. You're on my good list.. Just picture Fred G Sanford speaking out my posts in your head and you'll understand me a lil better.. You big dummy!

[klr142]

Oh my bad, I have this way of typing out my rants like I'm pissed off.. but I wasn't at you. You're on my good list.. Just picture Fred G Sanford speaking out my posts in your head and you'll understand me a lil better.. You big dummy!Heh... So, is it done yet? :-P

[DecalServiceBrett]

Heh... So, is it done yet? :-P

+1, needs moar vids and pictars for funness to be had?

Edit://Seriously though, I want to see a video of this car in action, and if I and the rest of these jive turkeys don't see one, we will come burn your house down without mercy.

[TerribleOne]

No videos of my car exist sorry.
How about pictures I've never seen myself from 4 years ago when I first turbo'd my car?

Taken from a late night "street meet" in Houston circa 2004?
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/svt4drfucus/4206902-R1-005-1.jpg

Man.. I wish I was skinny again.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/svt4drfucus/4206902-R1-009-3.jpg


..shameless exploitation


Fufanu on the sub box @ Dirtwood
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/svt4drfucus/570xc02-R1-041-19.jpg


X-up air out of the 6' mini..
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/svt4drfucus/570xc02-R1-029-13.jpg

[growley]

Noones wants to see pictures of you riding bikes. But skateboarding, that would be awesome :-P

And you car certainly is a sleeper right now, heh.

[klr142]

(bikes are cooler than skateboards)

[TerribleOne]

Noones wants to see pictures of you riding bikes. But skateboarding, that would be awesome :-P

And you car certainly is a sleeper right now, heh.

My car is in a.. transitional period, yeah.

(bikes are cooler than skateboards)

Bikes<skateboards any day of the week. Nothing like being able to pedal away from a hot street scene at 20mph vs kicking at 8 mph maybe, or running with a skateboard?

[spruill242]

Damn son I could snap you like a twig 4 years ago.

And what the hell does a transitional period mean ??

[crandandall]

Project's goin good man, keep doin what you want, I'm sure it'll be wicked.

BMX FTW, haven't ridden for around a year because my bike got stolen and I haven't had an extra $1400 to get another one.:-(

[Krunk Fu]

Im diggin ur ride man, keep up the good work
:volvo:

[growley]

(bikes are cooler than skateboards)
That's hogwash

[RockVegas]

That's hogwash

Man, have you never watched the movie Rad?

Dude, when you making it through Rock Vegas? Hopefully the V8 will be up and running soon, I'll have to take you for a spin!

[TerribleOne]

The healing process from my hernia surgery is nearing it's end. Today I got out to the shop and started pulling the rear axle to swap with Lawrence so I can cruise better (3.73->3.31)

Rob was gracious enough to accept my girlfriend as a trade for a welded spider gear ring carrier.. I'm psyched. I haven't told my girlfriend yet.

During a breif spell while my car was actually together I noticed a metallic pulse at a frequency of a wheel at one bps.. So.. I did some investigating.
While I was pulling the car apart I noticed one of my calipers had a sticky piston so I guess now would be a good opportunity to pull it apart, hone it and clean up the piston. The sticky piston hopefully should cure my problem..

Tomorrow I'll probably pull the shortblock I'll use in my car for the year or so until I can get my built shortblock revised, cleaned, and reassembled. The donor car is my old 93 turbo wagon that has a blown headgasket (maybe) If the headgasket is the only problem I'll throw it in my 244 with my built up head and let the good times roll!

I finally got my exhaust manifold back from the machine shop. This time I had them open the turbo inlet to the size of my gasket.. which is the same size as my exhaust housing to releive some of the choking associated with the 90+ manifolds. They also welded up the massive crack in the back. I'll post pics when I find a camera..

[MrBill]

good progress
remember, I voted "YES" to carlisle 08

[stylngle2003]

pics or ban.

Rob was gracious enough to accept my girlfriend as a trade for a welded spider gear ring carrier.. I'm psyched. I haven't told my girlfriend yet.


:rofl:

[TerribleOne]

Progress!

The back axle is ready to drop..
4653


Jessica doesn't know if she likes the Swedish muscle or the American tractor..
4654


Donor squirter block..
4655


This is what everyone running a 90+ should do.. Have it flattened and milled out to a reasonable size.. see picture below for unreasonable size. Install M10 studs..
The giant crack was also welded and the runners have been gasket matched and smoothed.
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Inadequate size for even stock boost. This is why they crack folks..
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[YLD244]

there is a piece missing in this project thread. i dont get it.
a few pages back, u built an awesome motor, car was running and did a 15 sec run.
then u got a hernia, now motor is out again.
what happened to the motor u built??

[TerribleOne]

there is a piece missing in this project thread. i dont get it.
a few pages back, u built an awesome motor, car was running and did a 15 sec run.
then u got a hernia, now motor is out again.
what happened to the motor u built??

It started getting cold around November and my car was dipping into cold start maps that'd been f-ed up by the exhaust shop when they played with my computer trying to get it started, which turned out to be a bad fuse. So I pulled the block apart to check and see if there was any bad holes due to the washdown. Found lotsa gas in my oil etc so it's coming apart, getting mic'ed out, drilled for squirters etc.. I have a list of stuff I wanted to do the first time to it but I got in too big of a hurry.. So I'm just gonna run a stock block for now to get my car back on the road since it's been down since Nov.



Oh yea, also got to hit the skatepark yesterday now that my hernia is almost healed up.

Tailtap action
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360 off the flyout
4660


Double pegger grind across the entire coping..
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[gear whine]

It's a 2.5 litre 4 cylinder... I don't think it's lacking in the off boost performance

Thanks, it's about time somebody value my decision to blaze my own trail. 6.7:1 ..now theres a SCR with some room for improvement.. and by improvement I mean boost :oogle:

i think 8.2:1 compression is more than fine for a 2.5L motor with a HUGE turbo.

wen i rebuild my b21 ill prolly run around 8:1 anyway....

low compression is good, tons-o-psi.

i cant wait to see it at carlisle.

its gonna make it, right?

[TerribleOne]

i think 8.2:1 compression is more than fine for a 2.5L motor with a HUGE turbo.

wen i rebuild my b21 ill prolly run around 8:1 anyway....

low compression is good, tons-o-psi.

i cant wait to see it at carlisle.

its gonna make it, right?

I'll be at Carlisle..

[gear whine]

^^^shweet.

[TerribleOne]

I finally found a color I'm satisfied with.

Squirter block about to be accessorized..
4665


Sucker even has a block heater!
4666


Detonation anyone?
4667


The block is Ford engine red(engine enamel), the oil pan is banner red gloss (Krylon)
4668


But first I gotsta tend to the garden.. BTW my car would be done by now if I didn't have 10 acres of grass to mow every week and a garden..:grrr:
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[stylngle2003]

sell me the bimmer

[TerribleOne]

sell me the bimmer


Remember the first time you came to my house... when I answered the door with a double barrell 12 gauge shotgun.. You get close to my E36 and I'll show you what it's like to be a moving target in the sights of a seasoned skeet shooter..

[suterman]

mow paths through the grass and leave the rest to grow? (call it set-aside:))

[spruill242]

Vince we'll have to do a little skeet shooting when I get home. The E-36 will be double protected.
Good luck on the build man.

[stylngle2003]

Remember the first time you came to my house... when I answered the door with a double barrell 12 gauge shotgun.. You get close to my E36 and I'll show you what it's like to be a moving target in the sights of a seasoned skeet shooter..

Vince we'll have to do a little skeet shooting when I get home. The E-36 will be double protected.
Good luck on the build man.

skeet skeet? :rofl:

i'd love to teach you guys a lesson 'bout skeet shooting :nod:

[Crazychopstick]

i'd love to teach you guys a lesson 'bout skeet shooting :nod:

Awww. Gay.

[Volvorules]

Vince, BNE is in possesion of your diff. Let me know when I can come down and get the girl :)

[TerribleOne]

Vince, BNE is in possesion of your diff. Let me know when I can come down and get the girl :)

Can I trade you her best friend who won't turn 18 for another month instead??:nod:

[TerribleOne]

I worked on my car a good bit of the day and made decent progress. Got most of the engine together. Got the head on and exhaust manifold, seal carrier timing gears etc.. Waiting on water pumper gasket and a degree wheel.. Pics later this week.

[TerribleOne]

I got the majority of the engine together today. I'll start putting the rear suspension back together tomorrow so I can get the car back down and move it to the other side of the shop so I can stab the engine and trans in later this week.

4673

[YLD244]

how did u get that filter mounted there? got more pics?

[TerribleOne]

It's not mounded dude, it's just bolted there because I had to close off the system for priming and it holds it outta the way when the engine is going in.

SDS called, my unit has been upgraded with a soft rev limiter (dope) and a backlit controller so I'm not fumbling around turning lights on in my car. It's on the next thing hot leaving Canada for Va. in two days.

All of the rear suspension is buttoned up. Now I'm rebulidling one of the pistons thats stuck.. and I've run out of cuss words.. Hopefully my brakes will be quiet after this fiasco. Hopefully I can get the car back on the ground by tomorrow evening and put the motor and trans together so I can stab them Sunday after dinner.

[TerribleOne]

I got some much needed help today from my multi-talented girlfriend Jessica. She assisted in helping me get the axles in, parking brakes assembled, and the initial suspension setup.
4678


Then we moved the car to the other side of the shop. It's nice to have a extra set of hands to thread the flywheel bolts in while geting it seated..
4679


Nice upskirt pic..
4680

[240_Richmond]

Looking great Sir Vince. However, that last picture caption fooled me...

[klr142]

Sweet. To all of the above. Keep it up man!

[TerribleOne]

Jessica and I got the engine in this afternoon.. But now it's time to observe the Sabbath day and absorb some Simpsons.

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[TerribleOne]

The sleeper is awake. Got my coils back from SDS, they repaired the fried diodes. Hooked everything up, bitch started right up.. Runs great.. Only problem now is my exhaust is lodged up aginst my axle.. Other than that I took it out for an hour long cruise and it performed well, no hiccups or studders.

[YLD244]

that is good to hear that it is running ok now.
how did u kill the coils?

[stylngle2003]

bout damn time!



bikes? :-P

[gear whine]

yeh i saw it at carlisle and met vince. hes a good guy with a sic clean car.

i want a ride in it.

[TerribleOne]

Just a few pics since I downloaded the digicam..


http://a558.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/27/l_5870d77118b42433221f5da00ed07d2d.jpg





http://a392.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/119/l_8331f08362c3f8b33435e0c2b56206f7.jpg




http://a868.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/4/l_3abf0e595c25b645c8a5652be6302e43.jpg




http://a646.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/91/l_574590892b58ebe31929e78cc2873a05.jpg




http://a283.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_37e6e7a4908f388a923a1664a318d20a.jpg




http://a341.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/54/l_d6650d8b939ba3c61a10438b2badf31c.jpg

[pooprah]

how do you make a car run with no wires???????/:omg:

[maxman142001]

engine looks bitch'n but is it fast?

[550]

Wow, dude. Wow.

[TerribleOne]

how do you make a car run with no wires???????/:omg:

I'm a neat freak when it comes to wiring.. you shouldn't be able to see any wires.

engine looks bitch'n but is it fast?

Well.. it doesn't knock at 18psi like your car does at 2.. so that'd be a yes..

Wow, dude. Wow.

Thanks. It's a garage queen :oogle:

[norcal505]

sick car, and sick bmx pics.
i used to bmx at a younger age, but then somehow found my self in the world of downhill, mountain cross, and of course freeride.
i still always hit up the local park on my hardtail. not bad urban bike, has low travel on fork.

[MrBill]

Well.. it doesn't knock at 18psi like your car does at 2.. so that'd be a yes..


:nod: I think we can both agree LH for the loss

[TerribleOne]

So I finally got some time to work on my car a little after it broke down during Cruse II of the last meet. I put my MBC back on and set it to 18psi. Car feels pretty good.. It dilly dallys a little around 3k but by 3800 the boost gauge swings over and spikes to 20 for a split second and settles back down to 17ish.

I really need a T-5 it's feeling like I'm gonna break something pretty soon here. If I can get a trans and driveshaft under it by the end of the summer I'll take it to the track and make some passes with the welded diff. For now I'mma leave the boost turned back below 20 and try to salvage what's left of this M47.

I also rewired the ignition switch which I thought was at fault when it turned out to be the battery power goin to the switch that poles on at the starter.. the crimp connector came loose (dur hur). So I rewired all the power going to the fuse block to two seprate relays one for "ACC" and the other for "RUN" to split the load on the switches up a little. Also found my big honkin exhaust leak at the turbo flange.. guess I shoulda used a new gasket huh? FAIL.

[TerribleOne]

I took my turbine housing down to a friend who runs a machine shop in Nc. They hooked me up promptly and fixed the crack(s) in my manifold as well (round two)
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I've been screwin with this damn manifold for so long that I'm bout sick of it. The last shop welded the cracks, we tried brazing them this time instead. Hopefully this will hold up a few more years until I can get a ball bearing turbo and a custom manifold.
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[TerribleOne]

Well... The braze job didn't last a week.. It's in two peices again. FAWK DUDE.

[Lord Tentacle]

Well... The braze job didn't last a week.. It's in two peices again. FAWK DUDE.

your getting the iron up to red hot temps... generally higher than the melting point of any brazing material

though the fact that it did even last a few days impresses me a tiny bit...

the only way you might have a chance is to grind it out into a double V and pre-heat it to the 900F range and then AC arc weld it using a nickel free rod to fill everything up and then go over all your welds with a high nickel rod to seal stuff up

after that your going to need to spend some time porting the inside that you welded up to smooth everything out and then go back down a bit and cover it with a bit more high nickel rod

[TerribleOne]

Hey Mike.. this time when it broke again it cracked the other side alot more.. I doubt it'll ever be useful again even thought the cartridge and compressor are in great shape.. I got the Garrett part number and I've spent the good part of two months trying to track down a housing to no avail. Apparently it was a OE specific application and Garrett doesn't really make the housings for them and I'll probably never find another one like that.. oh well.
To band-aid my car I elected a trustworthy 13c I had laying on the shelf along with a open 2.5" downpipe.. I've never heard anything make more noise without actually doing anything in my life.. Word to the wise.. even if you have a mostly stock setup.. stay away from 13c's.. although it did make me wonder what twin 13c's would be like.. then the reality of the plubing nightmare and checking for leaks set in.. no thanks.

[TerribleOne]

I finally gave up on the trusty old (FREE) GT-35 I'd been running for awhile I called up ATP and ordered a few stuffs..

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A Journal bushing 60-1/T-3 with a ported shroud and .82 5bolt housing should hit my doorstep on Thursday.. Along with a ultimate wastegate and some other junk to mate up the different connector sizes.

..Kinda sucks that I'll be in the mountians in Nc on a hiking trip. Atleast I have something to look forward to when I get back on Saturday

[wisturbo]

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Clean! I really can't get over this install! Three damn good colors too.. Red, Blue and GREEN!

[pooprah]

yay your bringing back the color to tb. come round these parts more often, i allways liked your comments

[TerribleOne]

Thanks Wis, it's just thrown together more or less..

My comments? I just say what I feel..

Turbo made it in.. time to start getting prep-per-rated!

[MrBill]

thrown together... what an ******* :rofl:

[DeBastaard]

Nice car man, cool build! Howmuch did that new ATP turbo set you back?

[TerribleOne]

Just a few pics while I get the wastegate situation figured out..



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thrown together... what an ******* :rofl:

It is pretty thrown together.. I'll build my 122 up into something really nice ;-)

Nice car man, cool build! Howmuch did that new ATP turbo set you back?

Thanks.. All of their prices are on the website..

[pooprah]

speed racing holes ftw :-D

[stylngle2003]

finally. can't wait

[TerribleOne]

Okay.. heres the list for this go round:


Order drain and feed lines
Reclock turbo
Swap flanges on down pipe
Re-machine flange for downpipe (ID is too small)
Ordered welder last night (lincoln 175A MIG)
Order elbow off turbo to hotside piping
Lean how to weld (minor oversight)

Hopefully the welder should be here by this weekend and I'll have the flanges cut down by then. If everything shows up on time I should be done by next weekend.

[Palmer Eldritch]

I'm shooting for having it down there by the time we get a black president.. Oprah maybe?



i hope its coming along nice. you only have about a month. :-D:-P

[spruill242]

It's good to see you've got some money flow to buy yourself some pretty new things. Can't wait to see it.

[TerribleOne]

Yeah.. that night job I have now is really starting to pay off.. But I woudln't exactly call my income status "flow" more like "trickle"

Anybody else have a pain in the ass time finding V-band's that have a 3" id and 3.75 od?

[Sp3aK]

Pardon my ignorance but what's the deal with the housing on the new turbo, anti-surge?

Either way I look forward to seeing your car back together!

[TerribleOne]

Yeah.. the anti-surge is just a machining option that ATP offers to help move the surge line over to the left of the compressor map, it's useful when pairing a small displacement engine (relatively) and a large compressor wheel and housing. Basically when wheel speed is low and the PR isn't quite to operating range the air doesnt have enough positive flow out towards the tips and basically backs up resulting in surge (the reason we have BOV's) Basically what the housing does is provides an excape route for air that's attempting to back up through the inducer and reroutes back to the intake tract leading up to the inducer.

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[Sp3aK]

Word... After I posted that I did a quick google search and saw a brief description of it (yours is more in-depth though thanks). I've seen/heard this in some videos with Supra's in them (guess they might be popular in that world), if I'm not mistaken they come with a very distinctive sound correct? What sort of power are you 'benchracing' for with your setup?

*sorry for clogging up your thread with performance crap*

[TerribleOne]

No big deal.. It's a performance car is it not? Power wise I'm looking to roll out about 240whp at about 11-13psi just for the sake of my M-47 I won't be boosting more than that until I can get my 944 back on the road.

I ordered a few more bits and pieces today to get the plumbing straight.. Ordered some Push-Loc hoses and fittings from Jegs along with a new 4" K&N filter.. A new pushbutton starter because the three dollar switch from O'rileys is bout to give out and I also ordered a "pre-filter" in hopes I wont be cleaning my filter as often.. and it wont rub aginst anything and chafe.. Also called upon ATP to send me the right 3" V-band flange for the turbine dump and some random fittings and so fourth for the oiling system..

I was gonna run the oil outta the 1/4" NPT under the WP but I found a 14mm banjo to 1/4" NPT on ATPs site and decided to take a bite.. hopefully I can run a 1/4"-> -4 fitting to a -4 line up underneath the turbo over to the strut tower side.