Its my turn (White block collector)

[blkaplan]

I got one to, look at me,,,,, ohhhhhh aahhhhhh, STFU!!!

I picked up a 2004 XC70 I5 motor, 2 thousand miles on it. 550 dollars.....

:-D :-D :-D

This thing is so clean,

so now that I got it, let me tell yall the plans

Originally it was gonna go in the wagon but since i want the wagon for winter driving I'm gonna put it in the 242. The b21ft is gonna get pulled along with all the kjet and be on stand by if my b230f+t takes a dump on me.... That motor is still pretty tight so I am not ready to get rid of her....

I am going to be running the tko600 tranny with the mustang bell housing and make a bell housing to block adapter plate.

I will most likely make a custom cross member so I don't have to mess with the oil pan.

I am going to be using the 034efi system and hopefully I can control the variable intake and exhaust timing....

A 16T will probably be my first turbo...

Overall the game plan is to get the car running reliably with around 280 whp. That should be close to the max of that turbo and the max of what you would want to run on the stock bottom end. Once that is all done I will acquire a second motor and do a build of that.

The good news for all you guys out there is I am going to try to offer a complete bolt on white block conversion kit once this thing is done.

Here are some pics of the subject


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[Neil Peart]

Very nice....

$550..not fair. I can't get an old B21FT for that much. Best of luck with the project, looks like you have some nice plans already.

What are you going to do for driveshafts (input-output?)? Does the tko tranny adapt fairly well with the factory volvo setup?

[yozsi]

are those adj. cam gears?

[blkaplan]

Very nice....

$550..not fair. I can't get an old B21FT for that much. Best of luck with the project, looks like you have some nice plans already.

What are you going to do for driveshafts (input-output?)? Does the tko tranny adapt fairly well with the factory volvo setup?

tko transmissions are a bolt in replacement for t5 owners so it should be as easy as a t5 swap....

For the tranny I will probably try and keep the 2 part drive shaft and just change the front half, I am hoping to offer this to people as well.

[blkaplan]

are those adj. cam gears?

yes, volvo whiteblocks have adjustable cam gears from the factory :-D

I am working on a nice aluminum replacement though

[JohnMc]

yes, volvo whiteblocks have adjustable cam gears from the factory :-D

I am working on a nice aluminum replacement though
With those thick hubs I almost thought they were variable valve timing gears.

[boosted]

um.. isn't that vanos? or what ever volvo calls it??

[blkaplan]

With those thick hubs I almost thought they were variable valve timing gears.

they are,

this motor has VVT on the intake and exhaust, and I plan to control them :-D

[Hank Scorpio]

very very very nice Ben

dont worry about calling me this morning, I got it figured out.

[Stereophile33]

ben how will will you autox your 242 once this is in there...or are you gonna build a car specific for autox.

I always love seeing you and towery's photos from races.

Volvo's represent!!

[blkaplan]

that car will have to go to street mod or STU which I am strongly considering, :grrr:

which means i am gonna need some 285 width tires and some body work :-D

If i get her light enough (the white block will help) I think she could be competitive. In my region some of the best drivers are in DSP so I probably have the same chance of competiting....




I can still trick people into letting me autox the +T in DSP....

Once the season starts im gonna try that out. That thing has so much torque.....

[242GTMD]

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. I'm glad you got it picked up. I was drowning my Viking sorrows in Bud Light.

[blkaplan]

yeah

Lawrence the fidler came through in a big way.

I am buying an engine hoist and tranny sometime in the next few days,

I am hoping to have this beast running by February.

[Hank Scorpio]

that car will have to go to street mod or STU which I am strongly considering, :grrr:

which means i am gonna need some 285 width tires and some body work :-D

If i get her light enough (the white block will help) I think she could be competitive. In my region some of the best drivers are in DSP so I probably have the same chance of competiting....




I can still trick people into letting me autox the +T in DSP....

Once the season starts im gonna try that out. That thing has so much torque.....

Will defiently become more competitive of a road course car

[blkaplan]

Will defiently become more competitive of a road course car

Yes, track time at summit is something that will be in my future.

[towerymt]

SM, mod, or prep. No other option.

[JW240]

wow thats a clean engine! I want such a engine too!!!!!!!!!!! damn that is nice!!
Lowest milage engine on TB??

[blkaplan]

SM, mod, or prep. No other option.

What about STU? I am pretty sure that is SM but with street tires?

[stylngle2003]

ben, you gotta follow stx/sts rules for stu http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/streettouringsupplementalclasses.pdf

[blkaplan]

Oh I see, I could of sworn they were starting a street tire class that allowed mods like street mod :???: :???: :???:

Looks like 2400 lbs is the class weight minimum for a RWD <3.0L forced induction car so that should obtainable.

If i can get her to 2400lbs, with 350 hp and wide rubber i bet the car could be competitive.

Im gonna need to take some driving leasons to get myself competitive. :-D

[Body Massage]

That is so awesome, I've often dreamt of what a I5 turbo would be like in a RWD(specifically my 780 :badboy: and some form of manual transmission). But I have a serious lack of motivation when it comes to...oh just about everything.

Please take and share photos and videos of this project. I'd love to see how it goes. :rockon:

[kyle242gt]

Borderline threadjack, but couldn't MS do VVT?

[blkaplan]

I dont know can it? Can it do 5 cylinder COP? From what I can tell the megasquirt I processor is basically maxed out. I know the 034 is up a few knotches in quality from the megasquirt stuff, yes its also alot more expensive but is still cheap in the realm of the EFI world.

[kyle242gt]

Well, MS has user defined outputs. Should be easy to hook them up, assuming the VVT is electrically triggered. I'm not sure about the spark side of things... I'm sure they're doing COP, and 5cyl, but dunno about the combination.... there may only be four spark outputs now that I think about it.

Sorry to TJ, just curious. Definitely not hating on 034.

[blkaplan]

Yeah when you go above 4 outputs you have to jack other outputs and its something I just dont want for this project. I love msns for my +T wagon but on this project I want something that is a few knotches up in quality, robustness, and capabilites.

[coldfusion21]

the original ms processor is fine, but i think they ran out of ram. since they have gone to the MS2, this is no longer an issue. ms can do basic on/off vvt, but i imagine volvos is a continous thing, which would be hard, but im sure with some programming you could make it work.

[blkaplan]

Yes it is, PWM controlled I believe.

I would rather pay someone the difference to program that for me so I can focus on getting the mechanicals correct, like perfect crossmember, tranny converision, and all the rest.

[Hank Scorpio]

Yes it is, PWM controlled I believe.

I would rather pay someone the difference to program that for me so I can focus on getting the mechanicals correct, like perfect crossmember, tranny converision, and all the rest.

not to mention I think Javad @ 034 is taking good care of you ;-)

[Morley]

Yes it is, PWM controlled I believe.

I would rather pay someone the difference to program that for me so I can focus on getting the mechanicals correct, like perfect crossmember, tranny converision, and all the rest.

*cough* *cough*

Haltech E11 does PWM VVT.

And sequential injection and direct fire. :-D

[blkaplan]

how much does that run?

[Morley]

how much does that run?

A lot.

$2k I believe for a complete system, but it's teh pimp-de-la-pimp of EMS's.

[Captain Bondo]

Nah it's less than that. You can get it for about 1600-1700. It's what I plan to run for sure, I think maybe we were chatting about it in the ems foruma few months ago....

To do COP with the 034 you need the "IIc" system which is $1650. The more basic 034 stuff seems like a nice in-between setup if you plan to run a dizzy, but $1650 puts you within very close range of a number of very good "commercial" systems.

[RedFridge]

Those engines are so nice to look at.

[noz-e8tr]

tko transmissions are a bolt in replacement for t5 owners so it should be as easy as a t5 swap....

For the tranny I will probably try and keep the 2 part drive shaft and just change the front half, I am hoping to offer this to people as well.

The TKO is a bolt in replacement for the T5..But it does use a different bellhousing..The input shaft for the TKO is 5/8" longer than the T5's..

[Morley]

Nah it's less than that. You can get it for about 1600-1700. It's what I plan to run for sure, I think maybe we were chatting about it in the ems foruma few months ago....

To do COP with the 034 you need the "IIc" system which is $1650. The more basic 034 stuff seems like a nice in-between setup if you plan to run a dizzy, but $1650 puts you within very close range of a number of very good "commercial" systems.

Dmn you north 'merikans and your VAT freedom....:grrr:

It costs well over $3k here.

[olov]

sweet ben, i was wondering what happened with that motor. i'd like to hear the announcer at autoX say the 242 is slow after this mod is done :P

[Captain Bondo]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Haltech-E11v2-Complete-Kit-with-Map-Sensor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33597QQitemZ8010 681719QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

Complete kit w/ flying lead and map sensor- $1650.

[Morley]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Haltech-E11v2-Complete-Kit-with-Map-Sensor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33597QQitemZ8010 681719QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

Complete kit w/ flying lead and map sensor- $1650.


Haltech E8.....$1350. :droool:

[Captain Bondo]

Ya, for a 4 banger the E8 is the shizz.
E8 is basically and E11 minus a few outputs.

[towerymt]

sweet ben, i was wondering what happened with that motor. i'd like to hear the announcer at autoX say the 242 is slow after this mod is done :P
Oh, I'll be sure that it happens. On video, if possible.

[acbarnett]

*cough* *cough*

Haltech E11 does PWM VVT.

And sequential injection and direct fire. :-D


so it does....

Once I get my car up and running, I might start looking for a T6 or s80 cylinder head. Anyone know whether you could ever get the I-6 with double volVANOS?. I'm also curious about the mechanical lifters on these newer engines and how they rate compared to my not-so-mechanical lifters. It seems odd that they would downgrade things like that...

[acbarnett]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Haltech-E11v2-Complete-Kit-with-Map-Sensor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33597QQitemZ8010 681719QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

Complete kit w/ flying lead and map sensor- $1650.


HEY, I WAS GOING TO BID FOR THAT





:-P


now that I will be getting a job soon, that stuff is becoming much more of a possibility for me now.....

[NoSi1212ah]

so it does....

Once I get my car up and running, I might start looking for a T6 or s80 cylinder head. Anyone know whether you could ever get the I-6 with double volVANOS?. I'm also curious about the mechanical lifters on these newer engines and how they rate compared to my not-so-mechanical lifters. It seems odd that they would downgrade things like that...


how about you just get your car up and turboed before you worry ab out that k? /end being pissed at all your posts about what you need in the future...

[Captain Bondo]

um.. they're an ebay store, and they sell for that constantly. It's not a one-time auction.

[acbarnett]

you obviously missed my smiley

and NoS, an e11v2 was the plan for my car all along. I want something as close to plug-and-play as I can get, and the people who will most likely work on tuning it with me are all far better versed with haltechs than anything else.

[NoSi1212ah]

why dont you start a project thread and put all your "plans" in it so we can all check them off when you accomplish them... i may not get much done on my car but i dont constantly post on here saying im going to. I havent said anything but man it gets old fast.

[medfurd]

why dont you start a project thread and put all your "plans" in it so we can all check them off when you accomplish them... i may not get much done on my car but i dont constantly post on here saying im going to. I havent said anything but man it gets old fast.

:rofl: :rofl:

Shut up dude, he has one.

[acbarnett]

with pics of my turbo too now!!!

[NoSi1212ah]

:rofl: :rofl:

Shut up dude, he has one.


then why doesnt he post in it, it gets really old, and i know more than just i am thinking that.

[SwedishFish]

with pics of my turbo too now!!!

You thread clogger you. Shut up already and go back to the brickboard where 960 owners with retarded wish lists belong.

Hmmm, on another, less aggravating subject, maybe Volvo could make us a forged internal all aluminum b234...that would be THE whiteblock to have boyo

[blkaplan]

The TKO is a bolt in replacement for the T5..But it does use a different bellhousing..The input shaft for the TKO is 5/8" longer than the T5's..

I am aware of that, I am hoping to make an adapter that sits between the bellhousing and the white block so i can use the mustang belhousing, and all its clutch cable workings....

[foggyjames]

I spy with my little eye something beginning with V-TAK!!!11

Very damn nice price :-D

cheers

James

[Hank Scorpio]

Hmmm, on another, less aggravating subject, maybe Volvo could make us a forged internal all aluminum b234...that would be THE whiteblock to have boyo

1st gen S40 motor ;-)

[acbarnett]

I am still waiting for someone to put one of those in a 480

it would be to volvos what crx's with turbo b18's are to hondas

[Unregistered]

I'm also curious about the mechanical lifters on these newer engines and how they rate compared to my not-so-mechanical lifters. It seems odd that they would downgrade things like that...

Just curious, in what way do you believe a solid lifter is a downgrade?

[foggyjames]

Depends on your application...I'd say a hydraulic lifter is superior (if it's designed properly) for daily driver usage.

cheers

James

[blkaplan]

Not having to do valve adjustments is a big plus

[Unregistered]

I've never once needed to run the lash in any of my solid lifter motors. They get checked, sure, but only because everyone says, "Solids need periodic adjustment." I have not yet found that to be the case. What does Volvo say about checking lash on their latest motors?

I'd say a hydraulic lifter is superior (if it's designed properly) for daily driver usage.


How do you mean? What would be the characteristics of an improperly designed hydraulic lifter?

[olov]

finished yet? :P

[blkaplan]

finished yet? :P

quiet you!!! camber plates installed yet:rofl:

[foggyjames]

What would be the characteristics of an improperly designed hydraulic lifter?
I simply meant as long as it's designed to last as long as a solid lifter. I forget exactly which engine, but I'm sure one of the Volvo units with hydraulic lifters fairly routinely gives bother.

cheers

James

[the poi]

So anyway, msns-e can right now control direct 5 cylinder COP and at least one of those wheels (both if you want to control them identically or mirrored). I'll know eventually how well the direct ignition nonsense goes together, but you can use the "boost controller" duty cycle map for the vvt control. Double the output and you can control both simultaneously (but obviously they are mapped the same)!

[JW240]

I am still waiting for someone to put one of those in a 480

it would be to volvos what crx's with turbo b18's are to hondas
I know someone who has 480, built for racing (fuel cell, roll cage, big wheels, bigger brakes, suspension done, weight reduced etc), and he is tired of blowing up the original gearboxes. The car has around 225 hp, good for wheelspin in 3rd gear. :)
Now he is working an building a T4 engine in it! Not sure on the status of the project though, I haven't spoken him for some time...

[JW240]

I simply meant as long as it's designed to last as long as a solid lifter. I forget exactly which engine, but I'm sure one of the Volvo units with hydraulic lifters fairly routinely gives bother.

cheers

James
on the topic of solid valve lifters in the whiteblocks, how do you adjust the clearance?? The cams are held down by the cover of the cylinder head, and when thats fitted, you can't measure anything... :???:
maybe they use those small bits of clay on the valve lifters where they touch the cam, bolt the cover dwon, and check how much it has spread. ofcourse only a few valves can be checked each time so that would be a hell of a job!

[Volvorules]

There are torx bolts that you remove in order to measure valve clearance. There is one at each valve, and the angled feeler gauge slides right in to take measurements. Seems like a big PITA to me, thank goodness I've never had to do it...

[Hank Scorpio]

There are torx bolts that you remove in order to measure valve clearance. There is one at each valve, and the angled feeler gauge slides right in to take measurements. Seems like a big PITA to me, thank goodness I've never had to do it...

true but those heads (with solid lifters) have a much lighter valve train than the older hydrallic ones. Supposed to be a better flowing head as well.

Lazyiness trumps for me though. Hydro all the way

[acbarnett]

hydro for teh win!