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gtlover
07-13-2006, 07:53 PM
What do you do when you've got a classic VW in need of more power and a deep affection for solid Swedish iron? Put the two together, of course. It's not what I'd call "plug and play" but it's not impossible.

WHY MESS WITH NATURE?

Because old VW's have a certain cool factor. Some people even like having a somewhat underpowered engine with finicky carburetors and Kettering (points & condenser) ignition. Others find the oil leaks and 100,000 mile (or shorter) rebuild intervals to be part of the quirky charm. Yes, the classic aircooled flat 4 is capable of impressive performance, but at the expense of durability and much cash.

In this case, the vehicle in question is a 1976 Deluxe Campmobile, aka Westfalia or "Westy". The VW Camper Bus is 3,500 pounds of pure european brick, which reminds me of a Volvo wagon. The stock 2.0L flat-four can crank out 68HP and 101 ft-lbs of torque, which is not bad considering it's an aircooled pushrod motor with intentional ignition retard on the #3 cylinder. That output can be bumped up if you're ready to spend at least several thousand dollars for hotter parts, labor is of course extra. Don't expect great fuel economy or a motor that will last hundreds of thousands of miles; you're pushing the design to its limits. And forget about passing emissions, you're putting this in a sandrail or a show car, right?

Some of us would like our Westies to do the speed limit on steep grades. If you've got a Vanagon, it's not too hard - Subaru boxers are a nice fit. With an older bus, you're generally limited to a pushrod Subie mill, which is little improvement over stock. However, quite a few other motors will fit. Off-roaders and kit car builders have also found the late bus tranny to be a fairly stout and economical unit for rear-mount, independent suspension applications. Hence, lunatics the world over are mating a wide range of reciprocating motors to VW trannies to gain the desired features of each. Chevy and Buick V-6 and V-8 engines are favorites; others simply use VW's watercooled engines, to each his own.

WHAT DO I NEED?
-A VW or similar chassis
I chose my '76 bus, but the procedure is similar for bugs, squarebacks, dune buggies, etc.
-VW transmission
The 091 tranny is good for 200 HP with the stock clutch
-New engine
Keep in mind issues like overall size, weight, and a powerband suited to the gearing.
I'm partial to Volvo redblocks myself, but many OHC motors work well. Corvair engines and Honda engines rotate "backwards" so some extra engineering is required for those.
-Bellhousing adapter
Kennedy Engineered products is probably the biggest supplier of these
If you have the tools and skills, you can always make it yourself
-Adapter flywheel
Again, Kennedy is the natural source, or you can roll your own
-Clutch
200 HP not enough? Kennedy and others have heavy duty units available
-Motor mounts
You'll need to fabricate these; I used 1/2" thick mild steel flat bar to adapt the Volvo mounts
-Radiator and expansion tank
Many people mount these up front, which is a lot of tubing to plumb and get the air bubbles out of. Otherwise, it's the roof or the rear end with electric puller fans. Don't forget the expansion tank needs to be the highest point in the system.
-Custom exhaust
If you're handy with a torch, get a pile of tube and mandrel bends and get busy. But many places will do anything you want for enough money.

Now would also be the time to rebuild or do a stage '0' tune on the drivetrain and chassis. Timing belts are a breeze when the engine's on a stand!

And, we'll need to address another issue - you're probably adding a bit of weight. So, I HIGHLY recommend beefing up your torsion bars, adding or upgrading swaybars, and upgrading the shocks. Contrary to what you see at the local import show, VWs were not intended to ride with 15 degrees of negative camber in the rear. If you're going for the lowered look, that's cool - but I suggest you might want to modify the swingarms to reduce the camber, and still firm up both torsion bars and shocks. Your tires will thank you!

GOING BIG?
For those with a serious need for speed, you'll want to look into:
-Heavy-duty rebuilt transaxle
Sometimes referred to as "Rhino" trannies, and often using reinforced 3rd and 4th gears. Apparently VW didn't think you'd be climbing hills at 85MPH in 4th.
-Heavy-duty CV joints
Most people use Porsche 930 CV joints, as they'll handle some crazy power and allow greater articulation.
-Reinforced shock mounts
Dune buggy chassis come with these - stock chassis don't.

***more to come...***

CaptainWhoosh
07-13-2006, 11:51 PM
I have a whole straight '69 beetle shell available, also comes with a handful of 'go-fast' parts you could keep or sell to fund your project. Also has the 'ghia' drop spindels and what not to lower the front "properly" about 2 inches.

gtlover
07-14-2006, 12:49 PM
I am SO tempted, but alas I'm already deep into the restification of my Westy! Of course, if the price was right...

Back to the topic of the thread - that would be a great canidate for an increasingly popular swap using an Impreza or WRX motor. Can you say "traction impared"? Actually they go like stink and if you front-mount the rad the weight balance is acceptable. I haven't seen one in person, but I'd bet you could do a slick roof mount for the IC.

Some might ask, what about using a B230FT or F/T or just a B234F?
The 16V motor is no problem, I just felt safer having the non-interference 8V top end for my personal project.
The two issues with a turbo redblock are 1) dealing with the heat from the turbo - not a big deal on a bug with no engine lid or on a buggy but an area of concern on a bus; 2) where do you put the IC? Again, you could do a bar-type IC on the roof, like some of the old mid-engine Group B rally cars, or do a liquid-to-air mounted someplace in the back. It all depends on what your goals are for the car, really.

rumplestilskin
06-11-2009, 11:50 PM
ya i am building it. i have a 78 riveria delux i have installed the volvo b230f engine into i am currently working on the wiring . anyone want pics?

volvorsport
06-12-2009, 02:27 AM
i forsee a broken transmission .

vvpete
06-12-2009, 02:19 PM
I was browsing for a motor for my friend '75 VW Beetle conbvertible and found this:
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn193/prhy720/Volvo%20IN%20VW/Volvoinbeetle.jpg

IIRC it was a Bug used in Autocross and the B20 was pushing over 200hp with the quad Webers

rumplestilskin
06-12-2009, 11:10 PM
the 74 and newer 091 bus transmitions are good to 200 hp.\
my install is a little more discrete it fits clean with all stock body parts .
but i like the idea

fattmatt805
06-14-2009, 04:01 AM
I was browsing for a motor for my friend '75 VW Beetle conbvertible and found this:
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn193/prhy720/Volvo%20IN%20VW/Volvoinbeetle.jpg

IIRC it was a Bug used in Autocross and the B20 was pushing over 200hp with the quad Webers

dual webbers, and i highly doubt that b20 makes anywhere near 200hp, maybe 100 on a good day... that being said. b20+ beetle=full of win

GTJordan
06-14-2009, 10:42 AM
dual webbers, and i highly doubt that b20 makes anywhere near 200hp, maybe 100 on a good day... that being said. b20+ beetle=full of win

Why can't that B20 make 200hp? Seems most B20 performance builds can get up around 200hp.

Jordan

benski
06-15-2009, 02:19 PM
I agree. Ive got a breathed on B20 with dual 45DCOEs that dyndoed at 167 hp at the flywheel, at only 6200 rpm. VPD runs theirs at 7200 all day long, and I'd imagine that is comfortably out there past 200 hp.:nod:

Tamnakz
06-17-2009, 11:06 PM
VPD? link!

SprtWgn
06-18-2009, 09:15 PM
VPD? link!

www.v-performance.com (http://www.v-performance.com)

...although the site seems to be down at the moment...