740ATL's 242 Project/Adventure

[740ATL]

I completely revamped my project thread because I suck at the internet.

The pictures should show up now... hopefully.

I first laid eyes on this car at MikeVolvo's place (that's what I call MikeJr.... his dad (also Mike), I call Mikevolvo's dad.) humor. He had just gotten it back from his deadbeat brother in law. I fell in love. People have asked me over the years what my dream car would be and this was it. 2 door 242 with a turbo 5-speed. Granted, the previous owner (the brotherinlaw) completely ****ed up the body by trying to weld in the trim holes, thus warping every single jack ****ing panel in the process. I didn't even notice the panels. All I noticed was how beggingly willingly the b21ft wanted to rev to 7000rpm every time MikeJr. dropped the hammer.

When he offered to sell me the car, I went against all logic, all reason, and gladly plunked down the $$.

The project started as kind of a fixer upper... it needed a new steering rack... then I decided I wanted power steering again, then I decided, hey, I should megasquirt this, then the b21ft started knocking, and all this before I'd even put 100 miles on the car.

Being the cheap, resourceful, SOB that I am, I figured I'd tear out the tired b21ft and drop in a b230F+T I had lying around along with the getrag transmission. It'd be fun right?.

Well... I had the "new" shortblock back in the car, and my eyes glanced over at the newly procured a 16v head which was collecting dust on a shelf, and I said, "what if..." I plopped it on and it looked natural.

A few minutes later, I loosely installed the stock 16v intake manifold and saw a problem.... another what if was about to happen... I had access to a tig welder at work and I asked myself how hard it would be to weld on my own plenum onto the stock manifold to help clear the master cylinder. About a month later, the manifold was welded up and the engine back running in the car, 16valved (no turbo yet), getrag equipped, and megasquirted using the simple wasted spark setup using a DSM coilpack.... keep in mind, I still hadn't driven the car for more than 100 miles yet.

It was an awesome 2 months. I loved revving the **** out of this car. The 16v head had a 4500rpm torque peak and once you passed it, it felt like a turbo car. I was contemplating adding nitrous to it and leaving it as is, a 16v NA car. I can't really tell you how much fun it was to drive.

A couple months later, the what if bug hit again... this happened in the appearance of a thread by stealthfti where he found an old j-pipe adapter from the stock NA exhaust manifold up to a turbo... what if... yeah. I had a couple 2" (nominal) weld ells lying around and within an hour or two had the basic adapter pipe welded up.. Granted, this also meant I had to "also" purchase all new exhaust ****, oil lines, and oh yea, an external wastegate.... I didn't exactly plan this all very well. I figured I'd just use my stock 60-63 turbo and have fun right?

This turned into another 2-3 month thing, getting everthing ready.

Eventually, by February 2006, it was done and ran like a scalded dog. I had just switched over to the coil on plug ignition system, and had installed the freakishly large powerstroke intercooler. MikeJr. and I decided it was a time for a trip to 'Bama thanks to Kenny and Sam's invitation. Dynoing the car was a trip seeing as I absolutely sucked at tuning and my base map was so far off it pinged like a mofo. Kenny took over the tuning and we were off. We stopped at 14psi at the 271 wheelhp. Clutch slipping, coil fuse blowing fun. keep in mind, this was with my weird ass 60ar stock cold side with the massive stage 3 turbine wheel in the .82ar exhaust housing. What a blast to drive though. Torque peak still at 4500rpm, but with boost, it was a hoot.



The car.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/67168665.jpg

Intake manifold
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/63231211.jpg

Subaru Impreza 1.8L timing belt tensioner.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/63231223.jpg

Volvo 850 Timing belt. Gates 20252
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/63231211.jpg

Volvo 960 throttle body with pot-tps.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/62387746.jpg

Throttle body linkage. SHortened volvo stock cable.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/62387738.jpg

More linkage.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/67115264.jpg

gluing the head together for good.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/66169326.jpg

closeup of the glue.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/66169325.jpg

Battery Relocation... summit kits suck.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/56340400.jpg

1st incarnation intake.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/59679703.jpg

Stock b234 intake problems.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/60980740.jpg

The real b234 intake problem
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/60981135.jpg

mocking up an intake... just cardboard
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/61202210.jpg

partially fabbed
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/61304166.jpg

underside.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/61304701.jpg

deciding on TB location
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/61389390.jpg

early shot of the powerstroke with the quad rectangle headlights
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/55405438.jpg

Before of the car
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/55328670.jpg

after a bit of junkyard glory.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/52786806.jpg



9/11/06 updates
More of ze pictures.

The car is back on the ground, so that's a good thing...

This cost a bit of money... but needed to be done because the brass pilot bearing insert that came with the adapter plate shattered into tiny baby bits... Frankly, it was asking too much... only 1.5mm thick brass wasn't going to cut it... so I got something more robust. Starting with a BMW pilot bearing (instead of a the Volvo unit) I got a "cover" machined from steel... think "lathe time" and "shop rate"... but man is it purdy...

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/66679576.jpg

peekaboo!

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/66679580.jpg

ze adapterplatten

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/66679581.jpg

the boxed in crossmember and mount- and shifter! woohoo!

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/66568600.jpg

9/14/06 updates
running... but now, with more COP.

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/66820068.jpg

That's all for now... will be edited again in the future as I upload more pics and make more changes.........

[n xntrx volvo]

wow
whats the width/ yooth count on the t-belt?
sorry bout the faq, its forever going to be a work in progress.

[740ATL]

wow
whats the width/ yooth count on the t-belt?
sorry bout the faq, its forever going to be a work in progress.

the belt's slightly smaller than the b234 crank gear... It's a Gates T252 29/32" x 55 1/2" (148 Teeth)

I would really have liked the T139 to fit as it's wider... and I'm sure it's an anal-retentive thing for me, but it just looks better on the b234 cam gears. But... seeing that the T252 is used on millions of 5-cylinder volvos... T5-R's etc. I'm sure it'll do fine.

I think if we could find a 146 tooth belt with the same length, we'd be in business with the vw tensioner with unmodified stud position.

There IS such a belt in existence... the Gates T319 used on 2000 S80 T6 cars... but it's a hair wider than the b234 crank gear (Gates T319 1 3/32" x 54 3/4" 146 Teeth) by 3/32" compared to the T139 belt ( 1" x 55 7/8" 149 Teeth)

I'm contemplating buying one and cutting off 3/32"... but I'm not sure if cutting a timing belt is bad juju or not

No worries on the FAQ dude... it's all a learning process... besides... if it wasn't for your FAQ, I wouldn't have had anything to go on. :)

Mike

EDIT... PS... these guys have all the gates belt specs in one concise location https://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/mfr,GATES,Engine,5716,Timing+Belt

[shaved240]

You seem so enthusiastic and a have an "I can overcome" type of mentality. Your the type of people that make me more and more motivated to push the performance of my volvo further and further.

[740ATL]

Thanks man. I appreciate that. It's a helluva fun long-term project and I enjoy (most ;) )every minute of it..... and have learned a ton in the process.

Mike

[suterman]

im taking notes here, Im panning on doing what you've done but - the MS but + a supercharger. I'm thinking about getting rid of the powersteering and sticking the sc down below an ft inlet mani but i can see form you photos thats not gonna work.

a very interesting article, hope it turns out well

ps, did you weld that inlet mani? with TIG? tell me more please

[740ATL]

im taking notes here, Im panning on doing what you've done but - the MS but + a supercharger. I'm thinking about getting rid of the powersteering and sticking the sc down below an ft inlet mani but i can see form you photos thats not gonna work.

a very interesting article, hope it turns out well

ps, did you weld that inlet mani? with TIG? tell me more please

thanks man.

I tigged the manifold... I'm not so good at it, but I'm getting better. I describe it all here http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=73005&highlight=yeah+work.

Mike

[fengler]

+t?

[740ATL]

well... eventually yes, I'll have a turbo on it... This has been a 9 month process to get to this point... and the spring and summer expenditures to get to this point have drained me and I don't have the spare $$ to build a manifold, purchase a wastegate, etc. It however, is set up for a turbo as I installed an oil feed fitting below the water pump and welded a return into the pan.

However it really isn't in the cards yet... I'm sticking to the plan. I want to learn MS and get proficient at tuning not just fuel, but spark... before I go aventuring with the boost.

besides, I'd really like to get the bodywork/paint out of the way...

[JW240]

nice!

that tig work looks good. I just finished a tig welding course and did a few hours of aluminium there, and i can tell, aluminium is difficult to weld. Great work, looks very good!

Have you measured the OD of the 16V pistons and the ID of the bores? what was the difference? good clearance?

[MikeSr.]

This is an amazing transformation in progress. For those of you who don't know, this was my old car. I bought it with 60k on it and drove it for ten years- it was a very nice car once. MikeJr. took his driver's test in this car when he was 16. Over the years i came to know every nut and bolt on the car. A few years ago, i moved to an apartment and was unable to have room for it, so i sold it. It went thru a couple of owners before Mike H. aquired it, and frankly it was in pretty sad shape.
I am so glad somebody has the car who can appreciate it and give it the attention it deserves. Mike and I have talked a lot about his project, and i can assure you he is going about the build of this car in a staged, professional way, and in the process is incorporating a lot from suggestions on this board, and a lot of innovative things unique to his own vision. I know what he has planned for this car and what he already has in progress, and all I can say is stay tuned to this thread as he moves forward with his evil plan.
Kudos, man!

[740ATL]

nice!

that tig work looks good. I just finished a tig welding course and did a few hours of aluminium there, and i can tell, aluminium is difficult to weld. Great work, looks very good!

Have you measured the OD of the 16V pistons and the ID of the bores? what was the difference? good clearance?

Thanks man. I'm still very much a novice welder... I would dearly love to take a welding course...and I think when I get my own place (a house that is), and a more stable schedule, I just may do so. I am completely self-taught when it comes to tigging... and I know that with some proper instruction, I could be even better.

The pistons that came from the b234 block were in great shape, were not scored, etc. I could just barely rock the pistons back and forth in the bore.

The pistons that were in the b230 block were in the same condition.

I didn't do any hard measuring... it was strictly a gut decision... :oops: But... based on the same relative conditions of both engines, I took a chance.... The b234 pistons and rings in the b230 block seem great. The engine rotates by hand easily... I can rock them back and forth slightly, but eh... it's in there now! :)

And I can't say I'd recommend this approach... the engine still may turn out to be an oil burner... but I can live with that for now as in a couple more months, I'll have a bit more money with which to do at least a light rebuild... rings, hone, etc. As it stands, the only thing I replaced were the rod bearings when I did the swap.

Mike

[740ATL]

This is an amazing transformation in progress. For those of you who don't know, this was my old car. I bought it with 60k on it and drove it for ten years- it was a very nice car once. MikeJr. took his driver's test in this car when he was 16. Over the years i came to know every nut and bolt on the car. A few years ago, i moved to an apartment and was unable to have room for it, so i sold it. It went thru a couple of owners before Mike H. aquired it, and frankly it was in pretty sad shape.
I am so glad somebody has the car who can appreciate it and give it the attention it deserves. Mike and I have talked a lot about his project, and i can assure you he is going about the build of this car in a staged, professional way, and in the process is incorporating a lot from suggestions on this board, and a lot of innovative things unique to his own vision. I know what he has planned for this car and what he already has in progress, and all I can say is stay tuned to this thread as he moves forward with his evil plan.
Kudos, man!

lol... thanks man...

especially the part about "incorporating suggestions from the board"

[badvlvo]

Nice work. That makes me excited to get moved to Louisiana so I can start up my build again.

[Nick]

you make the +16v look easy.

what kinda subie did you get the tensioner from?

[Hank Scorpio]

I like it man, the 850 parts will bring you good luck ;-)

[740ATL]

more pics in the original post... :-D

[shaved240]

in this picture, what is behind the adapter plate?

http://i.pbase.com/g3/75/540175/2/66679581.g37Ibh5l.jpg

[socalsean]

in this picture, what is behind the adapter plate?

http://i.pbase.com/g3/75/540175/2/66679581.g37Ibh5l.jpg

You're scaring me....it's the bell housing yo!

[740ATL]

Yep... that would be my bellhousing.

One interesting tidbit for those considering a 16v into a 240, is that with the b234f head bolted in place, removing, then reinstalling a transmission is pretty damn difficult... even with a tranny jack.

The b234 head is so close to the firewall... like less than 2 inches close, and as such... it does not allow the engine/tranny to tip back far enough. getting the tranny out of course is a simple matter of gravity and a bit of twisting... but going back in is just a nightmare....

with an 8v head this is super easy... even with the 8v head in place, there's more than enough room for the engine to swing down and tranny swapping is a breeze.

If it weren't for that damn starter "hump" section, it would be easy... but it isn't.

What you see there is my solution after about 7 hours of frustration lying on my back on concrete... ... completely shattering the brass pilot bearing insert because of the input shaft kept ramming into it, clutch fork popping out, etc. I eventually gave up and resorted to installing the clutch, then bellhousing-with-adapter-plate installed.

Thus, my rather long winded explanation as to why there is no transmission in that picture.

Another interesting tidbit is that the next adapter plate I own will be made of steel. The last time I had the tranny out 2 weeks ago to replace the rear main seal, 2 of the adapter plate studs backed out a bit (I installed them with red loctite to prevent such an event) with nice little bits of aluminum shards with them.... I believe this is called galling...something to chew on for those of you purchasing adapter plates...

Mike

[qwkswede]

cool deal Mike, Its nice to see the build documented all in one place.

As far as your tig welding goes, it looks quite good i my opinion. You'll have no problem putting together a turbo header. I did mine from stainless weld els and it just welds like butter compared to aluminum. So easy.

This is the first time I saw the Subaru timing belt tensioner. Yet another way to skin this cat.

This thread reminds me. And Aaron if you are reading this you might be able to add this to the FAQ if its not there already. I just happen to have in my posession a Gates timing belt with 146 teeth, round ones. It cost me a bloody fortune to buy from Sten Parner in Sweden, and I didn't use it because it took 8 months to get. I figured out another solution with the T139 gates instead.

But here are the part numbers and applications that use this belt, right from the box.
Gates part # 5129
Some other numbers: 40353x24
Fits:
Opel
ascona 1.6D 87-88
Astra 1.7 Diesel 91-92
Kadette E 1.6 diesel 87-88
kadett 1.7 diesel 89-91

Vauxhall
astra, belmont 1.6 87-89
cavalier 1.6 diesel. 87-88
cavalier 1.7 diesel 99-92

Not cars available in America. But I can't beleive that this belt costs $100-150 like I paid from Sweden. Are these cars in Australia or somewhere with a more cooperative currency exchange rate?


Sorry to muck up your project thread, just thought it was good info. I can move it somewhere else if there is a better spot.

[740ATL]

Hey dude,

thanks a bunch. man... I appreciate that.

no thread mucking up at all... the more information the better! That's why we're all here right? to learn?

How wide is the 146 tooth belt? a 146 tooth belt should be perfect for the VW tensioner with the tensioner stud in the stock location.

Is this a custom belt from Sten Parner? Gates makes the T319 146 tooth belt, but it's unfortunately 28mm wide... I'd love to know more about it.

I suppose I should be happy with what I have... the 850 belt works fine... but I just loved the look of the wider T139 belt... made me feel better.

Mike

[740ATL]

More pics...

car runs awesome. I had it out for close to 4 hours on Sunday... a major bug-working-out-session.

First the radiator cap died, splurting coolant everywhere... then the trunk lock motor died so I have a screwdriver permanently jammed in there to unlock it... then my oil cooler banjo bolt seal died... all in about 20 minutes.

Then... with the car driving on the highway, I made it about 40 miles before I turned around... datalogging the whole way, when the electric fan fell off... I know this because of the scraping sound... after a few embarrassing moments cutting in front of traffic to get to stop, the 2 zipties I had holding the fan on, suprise suprise, broke! luckily, I had a wad of spare zipties in the glovebox. Moments, later, I was back on the road.

The car sounds awesome... like Kenny's, but unlike Kenny's at the same time. It's intoxicating.

ANd oh yeah... MS ****ing rocks! I love it how you can actually feel the car get stronger when you richen it at 16:1 full throttle... gah I love MS!

My laptop is still causing repetitive (5-10-20 second reset intervals), but that's next month's problem to fix.

Got my idle afr's kinda down tonight... got my accel enrichments to the point where it won't puke when I press the throttle, and holy bat**** do I love those coilpacks!

and now that everything is falling into place, the stars are falling away from my eyes, and now I'm seeing all the imperfections, the rough areas, etc...... keep in mind this is all being done on about a $300/month budget!

at any rate... more pics!


http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/67168655.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/67168663.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/67168667.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/67168669.jpg


Oh yeah... and I got the somebitch to stop leaking oil!!! whoo hoooeoo!

[Hank Scorpio]

so hot man!

[FlatWagon83]

So how does it feel? Did you push it very much? This is such a cool thread, completely makes me want to do a 16v swap!

[740ATL]

Thanks man.... it felt great... although I'm sure it was just due to a rough map, there were severa points, esp. while accelerating in 2nd gear where it felt a bit like a turbo car...

And yeah, I put it through it's paces... lots of 2nd-3rd-4th gear WOT acceleration to 6k or so... I was very nervous when hammering it in 4th gear... kept waiting to hear that tell-tale ping-song, but then remembered that this was in fact not a high compression turbo car...(like my 740+T) so I could relax a little... Besides... Kenny's ignition map rocks.

It's tough to get it out durning the week and drive it because of the traffic... weekends are going to be where it's at for tuning.... besides... I have to figure out why the turn signals go off when I press the brake pedal, and why the headlights still will not work :)

[qwkswede]

It measures out at about 20-21 mm wide. I don't think its a custom belt, more likely Sten was just diligent enough to track down one that works. It seems like it could be the same as the Penta belt. But also, it has those applications for cars that just don't exist in the US. I think that is why they are difficult to get over here. It seems to be made in a Gates plant in Belgium.

Hey dude,

thanks a bunch. man... I appreciate that.

no thread mucking up at all... the more information the better! That's why we're all here right? to learn?

How wide is the 146 tooth belt? a 146 tooth belt should be perfect for the VW tensioner with the tensioner stud in the stock location.

Is this a custom belt from Sten Parner? Gates makes the T319 146 tooth belt, but it's unfortunately 28mm wide... I'd love to know more about it.

I suppose I should be happy with what I have... the 850 belt works fine... but I just loved the look of the wider T139 belt... made me feel better.

Mike

[740ATL]

daylight pics... yeah I know... another 242... looks like a piece of **** I know, ... but at least it's my piece of **** right? :-D

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/67168669.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/67168665.jpg

Mike... I really need to have you drive this thing so I can hear what it sounds like... at least from the cabin, it's insane... ...

[WheyDey]

daylight pics... yeah I know... another 242... looks like a piece of **** I know, ... but at least it's my piece of **** right? :-D

http://i.pbase.com/g3/75/540175/2/67168665.VphAWlEQ.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/g3/75/540175/2/67168667.mme9CWlJ.jpg

Mike... I really need to have you drive this thing so I can hear what it sounds like... at least from the cabin, it's insane... ...



BULL****.






i HATE it when you guys put all your time and blood and money into a vehicle, then post it up here as a piece of ****.

the amount of effort ALONE you put into that car, regardless of whether or not the brake lights work, or how shiny it is, or how lowxored it is, or how much the wheels cost, etc. etc. etc..... CERTAINLY does NOT make it a piece of ****.



it makes it a ****ing work of art.





you keep on keepin on, son, it'll get done and i dont give **** ONE about what it looks like, its another classic up and running, and that makes it good in my world.

[VQ]

But here are the part numbers and applications that use this belt, right from the box.
Gates part # 5129
Some other numbers: 40353x24
Fits:
Opel
ascona 1.6D 87-88
Astra 1.7 Diesel 91-92
Kadette E 1.6 diesel 87-88
kadett 1.7 diesel 89-91

Vauxhall
astra, belmont 1.6 87-89
cavalier 1.6 diesel. 87-88
cavalier 1.7 diesel 99-92

Not cars available in America. But I can't beleive that this belt costs $100-150 like I paid from Sweden. Are these cars in Australia or somewhere with a more cooperative currency exchange rate?



Aussie's didn't get them, but the homeland (england) got them I would imagine, particulary as Vauxhal is the british GM company.

Also, brilliant work there, now if the rest of us was as organised as you, I have a general idea of what I need to do, but I should make it definete.

[qwkswede]

Hey Mike,
How is the Engine driven fan working out for you. I kinda like the idea, but on a motor that might reach 7500rpm I am a bit leery. Does it make horrible noises at high rpm? I'm running all electric, but I like the steady airflow in the engine compartment you get from the engine driven fan. My electric only comes on when the water temp gets warm, which is like never. Good for performance, but it is always hot under the hood.

[hockey930]

I am excited for this car
Eamonn

[Hank Scorpio]

Hey Mike,
How is the Engine driven fan working out for you. I kinda like the idea, but on a motor that might reach 7500rpm I am a bit leery. Does it make horrible noises at high rpm? I'm running all electric, but I like the steady airflow in the engine compartment you get from the engine driven fan. My electric only comes on when the water temp gets warm, which is like never. Good for performance, but it is always hot under the hood.

vent the hood then.

[740ATL]

Hey Mike,
How is the Engine driven fan working out for you. I kinda like the idea, but on a motor that might reach 7500rpm I am a bit leery. Does it make horrible noises at high rpm? I'm running all electric, but I like the steady airflow in the engine compartment you get from the engine driven fan. My electric only comes on when the water temp gets warm, which is like never. Good for performance, but it is always hot under the hood.

Hey Ken,

actually, once I got the car running and stable, I yanked the mech. fan in place of an e-fan out of a 960. Except for being initially held on by zipties and falling off on the freeway, it works great. (;-) .... ghetto always gets ya... it's now held on by actual metal screws).

I too was a little uneasy about removing the guaranteed-to-work-all-the-time mechanical fan, but ah... I guess I still have a bit of 'young-and-foolish' still in me.... I still have the fan and shroud and can replace it if I find the e-fan isn't working out forme.

The 960 efan has worked flawlessly being driven by MS... I have it set to come on at 179 and it stays on using the low-speed setting until it gets back to 169... on normal driving, the engine stays around 171-175. The think is super quiet too. My underhood temps aren't that bad yet (no turbo), and it's pretty well ventilated because I have the single rounds, huge grille, and chopped out the side rad core supports to make room for the powerstroke...

Mike

http://i.pbase.com/g3/75/540175/2/67168655.sm77MtKk.jpg

[qwkswede]

^^ Nice action shot ^^ Yet another reason to get my butt in gear and run megasquirt. Does your thermostat even open at those temps?

[740ATL]

^^ Nice action shot ^^ Yet another reason to get my butt in gear and run megasquirt. Does your thermostat even open at those temps?

hmmm... good question... I can't seem to remember what thermostat I put in there... it was the lowest of the 3 I had...

... and I'm not sure if those fan temps are good... perhaps I can let it run a little hotter... have to investigate that.

And heck yeah, you've got to MS that thing! gah.. there's so much functionality that you can do with MS right now... aside from the toothed decoder and potential for wasted spark or true single coil on plug ignition, the boost control, fan control, nitrous control, shift lights, etc... It's fascinating... not to mention entirely predictable... it's been a great education for me in EMS and engine fundamentals getting this thing to run. I can't tell you how much I've learned....and there's still so much more to learn.

...and not to mention the continued MS development... especially in MSII... going to have some type of MSII-extra daughtercard features soon I think... the future's looking really bright.

Mike

[740ATL]

Heh... haven't updated this in a while...

coilpacks...

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74120535.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/66820068.jpg

wiring...
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/71676003.jpg

denso alternator
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/68998068.jpg

locker...
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/71778500.jpg

intracoolah
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/71793076.jpg

oil!

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/72575574.jpg

snorkelman

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/72248026.jpg

engun

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/71792996.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/71896989.jpg

[adrianpike]

i think it spooled.

well done, sir!

[mikes02ls1]

Looks good man!!! Where abouts do you live at?

[linuxman51]

thats badass dude, excellent job! I can't wait to see it in person

[blkaplan]

he's still gonna get beaten by towery at teh strip :-P

[igor]

Looks great - quite inspiring I have to say! I can't recall seeing anywhere what block you're using - and is this with B234 pistons? If so, does this mean it's a high compression turbo engine?
Forgive me, I'm very curious.

[740ATL]

he's still gonna get beaten by towery at teh strip

anyone have that vid? I still love to watch it for laughs...


Looks great - quite inspiring I have to say! I can't recall seeing anywhere what block you're using - and is this with B234 pistons? If so, does this mean it's a high compression turbo engine?
Forgive me, I'm very curious.

Hi Igor, thanks for the kind words,

Yup. It's a b230 block with b234f pistons.... It's about as far from ideal for a turbo motor as one gets, but hey, I'm young and stupid... :) Actually, it is a temporary solution... I wanted to fabricate everything and get the engine running and mildly tuned first... so far so good.

I have a 94 b230f squirter block with turbo pistons biding it's time to be dropped in....

Here's a shot of the block (I think you can see the pistons), in the freshy pressure-washed/duplicolor flat black painted engine bay. (BTW... those are FCP diesel engine mounts.... they lasted exactly 200 miles before they shat themselves.)

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/60922672.jpg

[linuxman51]

he's still gonna get beaten by towery at teh strip :-P

not if towery's newest underhood project keeps his car as unreliable as mine

[qwkswede]

Looks great. Have any pictures showing the turbo header?

[740ATL]

Haven't updated this yet.

Sequential ignition guts in the MS box.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/73877317.jpg

the "manifold" :)
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74305902.jpg

with wastegate.
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74306105.jpg

in the car...
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74306111.jpg

under the car...
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74306118.jpg

the engine
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74306136.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74306138.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74306139.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74306140.jpg

on the dyno...
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/74273187.jpg

[JonnyP]

Awesome car man

Is that the stock N/A exhaust manifold under there?

How much boost?

JP

[Tabor]

http://i5.pbase.com/g4/75/540175/2/63231211.x13SH1tY.jpg


Wow. Stop making me want a 16v!

[740ATL]

Awesome car man

Is that the stock N/A exhaust manifold under there?

How much boost?

JP

JP, it sure is. There's a good picture up there somewhere showing the NA manifold with the turbo adapter.

The dyno numbers were at 14psi, but the clutch didn't like that too much... so I'm "suffering" at 10psi.

Mike

[740ATL]

Wow. Stop making me want a 16v!

Do it! you know you want one! :nod:

[Vol242vo]

Why have I never seen this?!? That 242 is nuts! I can't imagine how fun the ride must be!

[shaved240]

car must be killer @ 270whp....are you running a 4 puck clutch or something?

[shaved240]

in this picture, what is behind the adapter plate?

http://i.pbase.com/g3/75/540175/2/66679581.g37Ibh5l.jpg

lol wtf was I thinking.....

[B Mac66]

It's so fun to do this stuff. I just did an engine and tranny swap about three weeks ago with an almost new 230ft. the car pulls so nice now, and is really quiet and smooth. do you have any videos or sound clips of the engine man?? i bet it sounds sick with the ms!!! great work!

[classiccarsrule85]

i think i just drowned in my own drool.....great car man combining two things i want so badly i spite you a 242...and a dohc turbo engine god i want this car or at least i hope to build one in similar so how hard really was the wiring for this dohc engine swap also how hard was this swap??.......And plus what car did you get this engine out of a 16v 740? or something?

[740ATL]

i think i just drowned in my own drool.....great car man combining two things i want so badly i spite you a 242...and a dohc turbo engine god i want this car or at least i hope to build one in similar so how hard really was the wiring for this dohc engine swap also how hard was this swap??.......And plus what car did you get this engine out of a 16v 740? or something?

Thanks. It's certainly a handful.

Engine is a late b230f out of a 740... pistons are stock b234f units out of a JY 16v car. All used. I will be re-ringing it shortly as it smokes badly now. :)

The wiring is all custom. I'm using megasquirt... Not very difficult at all... but that depends how handy you are with a soldering iron. If you wanted to stay LH2.4, you could simply grab the harness from a late 240 and it would work... 240's have integrated fuel+ignition in a single harness... 740's have it split to two sides of the car.

best.

Mike

[Josepilove]

what coilpacks did you use?

[740ATL]

I don't think they're supposed to get shiny...

Tough to hold the camera right in the waning light... damn thing was shiny enough to see my reflection. Such is life.

New clutch is in... for $180 total, I got the flywheel machined, PP surface machined, PP spring uprated, and a 6puck ceramic disc made. Clutch Specialties in Atlanta.

Bigger turbo is also in... that too should be interesting.

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/80301939

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/78902304.jpg

[linuxman51]

http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/78902304.jpg


:-D

[740ATL]

:nod:

[adrianpike]

skeet skeet

[MikeJr.]

skeet skeet
+1

[740ATL]

I finally figured out how to use the intarweb.... you can actually see the pictures now. Enjoy.

[adrianpike]

So have you wired flatshift in yet? Because if not, you should.

[linuxman51]

so mike how is it with the new tarbow?

[740ATL]

:dance:

I'm lean everywhere now... :) esp. between 3500-4000. Still don't hit full spool till 4500... that's probably going to be where it's going to be with that .82a/r turbine housing.

Furthermore, now that I drastically improved my accel, there's not even a hint of ping... this remains to be seen once I up the boost a bit.

It's pretty much awesome.

15% DC on the boost controller gets me what 40% did before.

I only have it at 170kpa and I'm having nothing but fun... scared the bejebus out of some kids in an eclipse last night.

[linuxman51]

damnit dude that tensioner is ****ing unobtanium

[740ATL]

damnit dude that tensioner is ****ing unobtanium

can't find any? I see them all the time....

[linuxman51]

can't find any? I see them all the time....

carquest wants $100 for it, napa can't get it in the store ($70 online)... it hurts..

[740ATL]

going to the JY tomorrow for the last time... I'll try to get one for ya.... I'm in the hunt for a T5...

[Hank Scorpio]

kenny, PM me the PN

[klr142]

Maaaaaaaaaan...

So this was the old("small") turbo?
http://www.pbase.com/740atl/image/72248026.jpg

What's on there now? Needs more pictures! And more tuning and dyno time! SUPER AWESOME MAN! w00!

[740ATL]

Hey Kyle,

yup. The picture shown there was the initial turbo... just a T3 .60a/r housing with the 60 trim wheel.

Just recently, I had the compressor housing and backplate machined to accept the T04e 50 trim wheel... the G-Pop shop (http://www.gpopshop.com/home.html) did all the work. Here's a recent thread showing the pics. http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=100664

It's fun.

Pics probably to come this weekend.... good chance on some vids as well. Unfortunately, the next shot for dyno tuning will be August at SE6.0.

Mike

[klr142]

It's fun, eh? Hmm, not understating anything, are ya? And I can't wait on the vids and pics... Mmmm, SWEET!

Everyone's projects are getting closer to being finished(at their current engine stages anyway), very nice. :) It's a shame I'm only looking for 5 more hp while everyone else is building for like 100-200 more hp...

[linuxman51]

damn to further piss me off, you apparently can't get the ****ing VW tensioners anywhere in stock either. WTF? Conspiracy!!

[linuxman51]

hey mike, you do any port work on the intake manifold? I was looking at mine today and realized that the ports on the manifold are a good 1/8 smaller all around than the ports in the head...

Food for thought. I'll have some private pictures that'll make you load your pants (no nothing like that, just car porn)

[benfer]

Thats a killer looking buildup. Awesome!

[dbh86]

So, I finally got those Toyota COP. Hopefully they'll work better than Honda ones.

UPDATE THIS!!!! I'm sure you've done something recently.

[740ATL]

lol. I haven't actually seen the car since June. It's still in Atlanta getting bodywork. The only performance updates include the owner getting better at megasquirt tuning from afar. This summer will be the next update.

http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/82396078.jpg

[linuxman51]

they gonna give you time off in October to bring that slut to bama? It would be bad ace to have several 16v turbos this year.

[740ATL]

they gonna give you time off in October to bring that slut to bama? It would be bad ace to have several 16v turbos this year.

I'm going to make time for SE. :nod:

It may even be able to run some boost then too.

[MikeJr.]

da dum...

[740ATL]

da dum? sparkles?

[MikeJr.]

da dum? sparkles?
No! daaa dum...
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PTGPOD/464486~Shark-Fin-Posters.jpg

[550]

Damn! Your car is sick bro :) nice work!!

[Bigbegum69]

:nod: badass

[Bishop]

Got to say, followed a link in your sig, it's eye popingly cool in weird ways, hope you do more with it soon...

[740ATL]

Hey guys, thanks for the kind words. I look forward to getting it back in October. It's been in MikeJr's careful hands for bodywork/paint for a while now. I'm assured when it's done it's going to be a show stopper. :)

I have several planned upgrades for the future.... mainly, a bottom end that'll let me run some boost.

[MikeJr.]

MikeJr's careful hands
Careful? You never said to be careful! Sh!t now I'm gonna hafta start all over again!

[MikeJr.]

Well I managed to find a NOS hood & decklid. This has saved assloads of time for me on this car. I would have had to strip, prime, block, bodywork, block, prime, block, and paint. Now all I hafta do is scuff and paint em.
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/101708749.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/101708788.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/101708808.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/101708838.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/101708861.jpg

[740ATL]

http://www.silvamethodclass.com/Man_Jump_for_Joy.jpg
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/855/956062.JPG
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/741902542_882a035f1c.jpg
http://www.khznoise.net/lordkhz/guiness-big.gif

[F13ND]

^^
Wut?

[VQ]

Still need to remove rear bootlid lock :p

[740ATL]

^^
Wut?

The pictures above show a new-old-stock flathood and decklid. Both parts I desperately needed for project completion. The junkyards had them, but not in that great shape.

I am excited because it means I may see my car again soon.

[AHox244+T]

Gahh why do you have to keep raising the bar for all us guys who aspire for 16v in 240's.
Great build, great car cant wait to see the finished product:rockon:

[linuxman51]

Gahh why do you have to keep raising the bar for all us guys who aspire for 16v in 240's.
Great build, great car cant wait to see the finished product:rockon:

thats easy, because none of yall do; and thats just how we roll in the SE.

[A245R]

Hey guys, thanks for the kind words. I look forward to getting it back in October. It's been in MikeJr's careful hands for bodywork/paint for a while now. I'm assured when it's done it's going to be a show stopper. :)

I have several planned upgrades for the future.... mainly, a bottom end that'll let me run some boost.

Chop the TOP OFF! 242 Convertibles Rock!!!

[760T man]

http://www.khznoise.net/lordkhz/guiness-big.gif

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

[MikeJr.]

Still need to remove rear bootlid lock :p
You mean like this?
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/102227570.jpg

[Lord_Athlon]

you got a NOS panel then welded it?

Awesome. Thats what I like to see.

[740ATL]

you got a NOS panel then welded it?

Awesome. Thats what I like to see.

I am there in spirit.

[MikeJr.]

you got a NOS panel then welded it?

Awesome. Thats what I like to see.
No guts No glory

[Lord_Athlon]

No guts No glory

Balls to the wall. **** the purists. Rock out with your cawk out.

[MikeJr.]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is all

[740ATL]

hell yeahhhhhhh!

[linuxman51]

what? no pictures? **** you then, no pictures of the house!

[740ATL]

are you kidding? he won't even send me any pictures.

The Ahhhhhhhh either means it's in the booth, or it's drying. I'm going to owe a lot of people a lot of beer by the time this is all over.

[Nick]

May as well invest in a microbrew. ;-)

(awaiting pics)

[MikeJr.]

I have lots of pics, but nothing will be unveiled until SE. Not even to 740ATL.

[linuxman51]

gawddamn jews abound!

[MikeJr.]

gawddamn jews abound!
Ok ok, one teaser pic...
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/103260056/large.jpg

[740ATL]

:hyper::love:

[MikeSr.]

Dude- you won't believe it. Holy ****e!

[amargill19?]

can't wait....

i was shocked to see the NOS decklid all welded lol.


what is "hoodoo" I've heard it in a ccr song before

[MikeSr.]

Hoodoo Operator is a song by Clutch, my favorite band. Hoodoo is conjuring, using black magic and roots.

[MikeJr.]

i was shocked to see the NOS decklid all welded lol.
I also shaved the NOS hood. It will have no washer nozzle holes.

[MikeJr.]

It is painted! All thats left is assembley, wetsand & buff. I'll post up photos next week.

[740ATL]

it's pink right?

[chrisf]

What are the coils you're using from?

[linuxman51]

it's pink right?

with light purple highlights. I understand he's going to put teddy-bear wheels on it.

[MikeJr.]

http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104629869.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104629887.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104629906.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104629933.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104629942.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104629951.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104629958.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104629973.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630026.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630068.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630106.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630136.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630141.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630172.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630213.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630250.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630343.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630391.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630499.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630511.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630520.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630523.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630530.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630563.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630586.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630772.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630849.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104630926.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mikejr/image/104631012.jpg

[linuxman51]

hm bling.

[550]

wow.. sex.

[740ATL]

damn. I need some new seats now.

... and I owe a lot of people there a lot of beer.

[BabyBlue240]

what a teaser last shot!! i want more.:nod:

[MikeJr.]

what a teaser last shot!! i want more.:nod:
The car has been painted for a couple of weeks now and it about 90% put back together. I still have to wetsand & buff all the panels and install the windsheild & back glass. I'll post all the picks when It is 100% complete.

[JonnyP]

I like the headlight bezzels, I was wondering what it would look like shaven like that. Great stuff

[500dollar744ti]

looks great, can't wait to see the finished results.

[MikeSr.]

You won't believe how gorgeous the old girl is. Needs some 18's.
MS is working fine- started right up after sitting for a long time.

[BrickLove]

Updates???

[towerymt]

The car has been painted for a couple of weeks now and it about 90% put back together. I still have to wetsand & buff all the panels and install the windsheild & back glass. I'll post all the picks when It is 100% complete.
Without progress pictures, this is not worthy of a project thread. I may as well close this and you can post in showroom when it's all pretty and you can keep the rest a secret. Is that the plan?

Post a few pictures of the process of turning it from beater to show quality.

[740ATL]

Without progress pictures, this is not worthy of a project thread. I may as well close this and you can post in showroom when it's all pretty and you can keep the rest a secret. Is that the plan?

Post a few pictures of the process of turning it from beater to show quality.

Mike, what the hell is your problem? If you want to take it out of the project forum, you go right ahead. It's your forum.

In fact, why don't you just delete it altogether.

[Poik]

Cat fight!!!

[550]

I think Towery is just trying to raz you so we can get some pics. Your car is turning out rather impressive from what we can see, which is very little :-(

[740ATL]

Guys, there aren't going to be any updates to this thread or project for several months. Just give me some time.

Things are happening at a dramtically slower rate now for three reasons... 1, I don't have a JY within 30 minutes of me, 2 I have a mortgage to pay, and 3, the car is in another state, 800 miles away. Real projects move slowly.

Expect something by March. In the meantime, if Towery can't find enough more important things to do with his time, he can move the thread or delete it.

Mike

[towerymt]

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=43032

Now that we have a few in here, we need a few rules/guidelines.
Feel free to add any ideas here.

Modifications lists aren't enough for a project/restoration, but are a start.
Try to include a bit of history. How, when, where you got the car, etc.
Before pictures are essential. During pictures are just as important. We need to see some shots with tools, busted knuckles, etc. (no blown up ears, though)
It doesn't have to be "article" quality, that sub-forum is for details on one specific modification. This is a big-picture idea.
If we feel that a thread is a little weak, we will PM you with hints on how to make it better.
We will also put comments in the thread. If it is still poor quality after a week or so, we might move it to Showroom until it gets a little filled out.

Also, dont be afraid to start a thread because your project isn't done. We need more examples of some of the work, creativeness and ingenuity this forum is capable of!

Remember, we still have Showroom, so continue using it for pics and showing off your cars.

I will leave it at that for now until TFT and the other mods add some more.

Mike

We want to see it in progress. Is that too much to ask from a project thread?

[towerymt]

Post some "during" pictures.

[towerymt]

We want pictures!

[BrickLove]

This thread= Win win win FAIL.

[linuxman51]

apparently people don't like teases? :shrug:

[Ursan]

I'm just catching this thread for the first time. I think I spooled a little when I saw that earlier buildup.

Dude, you know? Just...dude!

That exhaust manifold you're using (was using) Is that a typical 16V exhaust? I picked up a AW72 from a 16V & the manifold looked very different from that one. The runner from cylinder #1 looked like it went over the other three where it met them towards the rear of the engine. Is that a year difference or something?

In any case, you should be added to the TB pantheon for this stuff.

[MikeJr.]

Just so everyone knows I am to blame for lack of photos of the car. Not Mike. Mike is seeing the photos as you are seeing them. He has not seen anything other than what I have posted here. Like Mike said the car is now sitting until more funds come in. There are no more "during" pictures right now other than what I've already posted. I don't think Mike should be punished for something I'm doing. Please be patience. It will be well worth the wait.


And besides it's got those busted ass dracos on it right now that make it look like dog sh*t :-P

[harribert]

a month has passed. more pictures are wanted. liek nao.

[DecalServiceBrett]

Mike, we know you are a busy man :)

your car is an inspiration to us 16v turbo schemers :)

So we love you, but damnit man, we need moar nuewz!

:P

[2fast242gt]

Mike, what the hell is your problem? If you want to take it out of the project forum, you go right ahead. It's your forum.

In fact, why don't you just delete it altogether.

he was all cool with robs car NO pics till after the car show... that was gayer than gay.. kinda hypocriteical?:roll:

[d34thd34l3r]

:omg: DRAMA!

[740ATL]

:omg: DRAMA!
troll

gfu... as in go **** yourself.

[DNAsEqUeNcE]

Pics?