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frpe82
12-06-2006, 10:21 AM
CHIPPING FAQ

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Chips for redblocks group-buy thread: Chips for redblocks (http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=112641)

Since a lot of questions are constantly asked about chips and also LH2.2/LH2.4 in general I thought it would be time for a FAQ thread. You will find a lot of info here and it will be constantly updated with more and more questions.

The questions are not sorted in any specific order yet, but will be once the FAQ is near complete and to my satisfaction. I will also add pictures to the FAQ as we go along.

Please feel free to post more questions and suggestions and I will add them to the FAQ.



Q: Which cars/engines are chippable?

A: Supported engines: All cars with a redblock turbo engine, cars with a +T (a naturally aspirated engine with a turbo added afterwards), and cars with a naturally aspirated 16v redblock.

Supported engine management systems: LH2.4 and LH2.2. Motronic ML1.1 chips can be supplied on request.

The naturally aspirated 8v redblocks are not supported because the "bang for your buck" is too small. Sure, the driveability will be much better and it will have all the benefits the other cars have with a chip, but it will not gain any real power.



Q: What are the gains?

A: For all chips, better driveability and overall power. It will gain "more area under the curve" so to speak. The chips make the car perform itīs best and that is how it should have been from the factory, but Volvo had to factor in a lot of variables such as negligent mainetance etc. and still make the car work at all. That is why the stock chips lack so much power and driveability.

The turbo engines with LH2.4 will gain 55HP and 70NM (52lb/ft) of torque.
The LPT engines (B230FK) with LH2.4 will gain 80HP and 105NM (77lb/ft) of torque.
The 2.0L 16v turbo engines (B204FT/GT) will gain 70HP+ and 55NM+ (40lb/ft+) of torque.
The turbo engines with LH2.2 will gain 50HP and 50NM (37lb/ft) of torque.
The +T'd engines will gain a few % more HP and torque than the regular turbo engines.
The 16v engines with LH2.4 will gain at least 16HP and 20NM (15lb/ft) of torque.

The 2.0L 8v turbo engines (B200FT) will have virtually the same performance as the 2.3L 8v engines (B230FT/FK) when they are chipped. The difference is that the HP and torque peak are presented at a higher rpm than on the 2.3L engines. The 2.0L engines will also in many cases require a higher boost level to reach the same HP and torque figures.

Stock B230FK, 0.35bar (5psi) of boost:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/B230FK%20stock.PNG

Stock B230FT, 0.55bar (8psi) of boost:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/B230FT%20stock.PNG

B230FK and B230FT, 1bar (14.5psi) of boost, LH and EZK chip, 2.5" free-flowing exhaust:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/B230FT-FK%20chipped.PNG

Stock B204FT, 0.4/0.8bar (6/11.5psi) of boost:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/B204FT%20stock.PNG

B204FT, 0.85/1.25bar (12/18psi) of boost, LH and EZK chip, 2.5" free-flowing exhaust:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/B204FT%20chipped.PNG



Q: Will my car use more gas after chipping?

A: The car will use 3-8% less gas after the chipping as long as previous driving habits are maintained. If you use the higher power output the chip gives then it will of course use more gas. It takes more gas to make more power. It all depends on your driving style.



Q: Will the chips hurt my car and/or decrease engine life?

A: No, the other way around actually. The chips are made for a higher power output and better driveability by altering the software, therefore they are better suited for high boost. Ping and knock are counteracted as long as the injectors can supply enough fuel. The chips will make your car feel healthier as long as you have what we call "Stage 0" in order. Your clutch and/or tires may suffer though if you drive agressively :-D .



Q: Will I have to use higher octane gas, and why?

A: Yes, because the chips are made for a higher octane rating to be able to deliver better power. You need to use higher octane gas because the ignition timing is very advanced to give as much power as possible, and without a higher octane gas it would ping.



Q: Will I pass MOT / yearly inspection / smog test / emissions testing with the chips?

A: Yes, the CO and HC will not be affected in a negative way. The chips are made for the strictest emission laws anywhere in the world, and in many cases the CO and HC values are better than stock.



Q: What is "Stage 0"?

A: It is the basic things you should do to/for your car to keep it in good shape before doing any modifications. This usually means to keep the engine clean inside and out, new/good oil, new/good air filter, running good gas, using new/good spark plugs, using new/good spark plug wires, using new/good distributor, keeping all the electrical connections clean and the wires whole, keeping the mechanical components clean and functioning, using a new/good timing belt, using new/good auxilliary belts etc. Donīt ask me about problems with the chips unless you have "Stage 0" in order.



Q: What will I need to use your chips, and how do I install them?

A: All chipped cars needs a boost controller of some sort. A cheap manual boost controller is sufficient in 99% of all cases and works excellent. Look further down the thread for more info on MBC's.

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/IMG_826.jpg

The chips for both LH2.2 and LH2.4 (even the NA 16v) clearly benefit from a "sport" exhaust and an airbox mod or better air filter.

For LH2.4 users, all the LH2.4 turbo fuel ECUīs are chippable, But if you want to take full advantage of the chip package (LH2.4 + EZK chip) then you need a chippable EZK (useable ECUīs and EZKīs can be looked up further down this FAQ page). Installing the chips only involves opening up the EZK and ECU, taking out the socketed chips and replacing them with the new ones.

The chip is mounted on the socket under the white plastic cover.

EZK:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/p22200448ri.jpg

ECU:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/20051231mistyrickmax00621pr.jpg

Notice the indent in the chip. It should line up with the indent in the chip socket:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/installingchip3ul.jpg

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For LH2.2 users, there are only two ECUīs that are chippable, and these two ECUīs are mounted in over 90% of all LH2.2 vehicles. The numbers are 541 and 591. The 541 chip comes with a mod-kit (a small package with an instruction, 5 components, 3 bridges, 1 IC circuit and 1 chip socket) to make the ECU chippable and it is very easy to modify with a soldering iron and a few simple hand tools. If you donīt own a soldering iron or donīt feel confident that you will be able to handle it yourself, then ask a friend who is better at this task and let him do it for you. A place where they repair electronics, TVīs etc. can also be able to help you for a small fee. The 591 chip on the other hand is plug-n-play just like the LH2.4 and the only thing you have to do is to open the ECU and replace the socketed chip on the board. The EZK of LH2.2 is not chippable (yet).

This is what the 541 ECU looks like before modding and chipping:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/mp541ecu2.jpg

How to chip the 541 ECU:

Look closely at the picture above. Also familiarise yourself with your own ECU and look at that. It might look a little bit different in layout than the one above. We only need to focus on the top right part of the ECU, just like pictured above. Look at your own ECU and where all the components are, and then you will see that most of them have a number written next to them.

We will start with the bridges...

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/541_bridges.jpg

* Position B705 is a bridge between two solder islands. Remove that bridge.

* Position B702 should be open. Put a bridge between the two solder islands.

* Position B703 should be open. Put a bridge between the two solder islands.

* Position B1 should be open. Put a bridge between the two solder islands.

And the resistors and capacitors...

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* Position B704 should be open between the solder islands. If not, then remove the bridge. Then install the included 100 ohm resistor.

* Position R720 should be open between the solder islands. If not, then remove the bridge. Then install the included 100 ohm resistor.

* Position R721 should be open between the solder islands. If not, then remove the bridge. Then install the included 100 ohm resistor.

* Position C701 should be open between the solder islands. If not, then remove the bridge. Then install the 0.1 uF capacitor.

* Position C703 should be open between the solder islands. If not, then remove the bridge. Then install the 0.1 uF capacitor.

And the IC and chip socket...

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/541_IC.jpg

* Install the IC 74HCT373 in the available spot on the board. Important!!! Please note the direction of the IC. Looking at the board like this, the text on the IC should be upside down.

* Install the chip socket in the available spot on the board. Important!!! Please note the direction and position of the chip socket. Looking at the board like this, the socket should be placed as far to the left as possible. You should have two holes left over on the top and the bottom on the right side of the chip socket. Also note which way the indent is facing (right).

* Then you are ready to install the chip. The indent on the chip should face the same way as the indent on the chip socket.

And after modding and chipping it should look like this:

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Q: But my 541 ECU doesnīt look like the one in the picture above. Is it still chippable?

A: It should be since it is the same ECU number, only a different model with a chip alredy mounted on the board. You should be able to de-solder the current chip, put a socket in the same position and then put the new chip in it.

Here is a picture of the other model 541 ECU:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Other_version_541.JPG



Q: Where are the EZK and ECU mounted?

A: In the 700/900-series cars the EZK is mounted to the right of the steering column under the instrument cluster. Remove the cover above the drivers feet and you will be able to see it. To remove the EZK it is recommended that you remove the metal frame together with the EZK box. In many cases it is only fastened with a single screw on the front. When you have removed that screw it will be possible to unhook the metal frame from the mounting points.

The EZK in this picture is the gold box above the steering column (marked with a "V").

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/IMG_475.jpg

The ECU is mounted under the passenger side kick panel. Remove the kick panel and you will see it. The kick panel is mounted with a few screws on the passenger side step. Remove the small plastic screw covers and remove the front 2 or 3 screws and you will be able to remove the kick panel. Be careful not to break any of the ends since they are thin (especially the top plastic bit by the passenger door, next to the glove compartment.

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/IMG_571.jpg

The ECU can be hard to get out and it is often mounted with a blind screw (no groove for the screwdriver). It can often be loosened by a small vice grip or by a flathead screwdriver and a hammer to turn it loose.

In the 200-series cars, both the ECU and EZK are mounted on the passenger side. The ECU is mounted in the same location as in the 700/900-series, and the EZK is mounted on the firewall in front of the ECU.

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/P7182617.JPG



Q: Which number do you need to know to supply me with the correct chip?

A: The last three digits from the top number in this picture:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/IMG_570.jpg

In some cases I can also make use of the lower number if the top number is not visible to you. I strongly prefer the top number though. Some ECU labels may be in a different color or layout.



Q: How do I know if my EZK is chippable? (Only LH2.4 systems)

A: Simple answer: You don't know if it is chippable until you open the top of the box up to check for a chip socket. It is very evident which EZK is chippable or not when the cover is off. If there is just one big motherboard in the EZK, then it is not chippable. If there is a smaller daughterboard mounted at a 90 degree angle on the motherboard just beneath the top cover of the box, it is chippable.

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Exceptions:

If your EZK is gold/silver/bronze colored, it is always chippable and you do not have to open it up to check for a chip socket. Those EZK boxes have the following numbers, and they look like this:

0 227 400 207 (found in 940 '95-'96 automatic)
0 227 400 219 (found in 940 '95-'96 manual, EGR)
0 227 400 208 (found in late models 960 16v turbo)
0 227 400 147 (more rare, but found in late models 740 16v)
0 227 400 209 (more rare, but found in late 240, EGR)

There are a few other odd gold ones that were "test" EZK boxes that starts with the number 0 227 400 1xx. If you encounter one of those, please tell me and I will add them to the list.

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/IMG_476.jpg



Q: I am having a hard time finding a chippable EZK. What do I do?

A: You can buy a kit from Martijn (username: blabla) to make your black EZK chippable. :-D

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/EZKkit.jpg

The thread where you can buy the kit is found here:
EZ116K Daughterboard GB (http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=156513)

The thread on how to assemble the kit is found here:
EZ116K daughterboard assembly and installation guide (http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=157730)



Q: How much will the chips help me on a stock turbo car?

A: The chips are made to transform the 165HP car into a 220HP car with stock reliability and much greater driveability with the help of only a better software and elevated boost.

If you donīt raise the boost above stock level at all, you will not gain many HP or very much torque. However, the chips will still be beneficial.

The fuel chip has better targets in the maps and will make the car run much smoother and feel healthier. You can use the engine at load levels and rpmīs that you could not get away with before.

The ignition chip has better maps as well and will make your car much more responsive and feel more alive since the ignition maps are as advanced as they can be.

The overall smoothness and response is improved, and the MPG will probably be better.

Estimated power gain is ~15HP and ~20NM (~15lb/ft) of torque without doing anything to the car.



Q: How and where do I install the MBC, and how do I set it up?

A: It is not hard at all.

Install it in line with the hose going from the compressor housing to the wastegate actuator on your turbo. Cut the hose and connect each of the open ends of the hose to the MBC. Preferrably secure the two ends of the hose to the MBC with hose-clamps. You donīt want to overboost and blow your engine if the hoses blow off.

Before starting the engine, make sure that the MBC is not set at full boost. Set it at no boost or little boost and gradually work your way up to a higher boost level. Carefully listen for ping.

Special procedure for B204FT and B204GT engines:

Install the MBC in line with the hose going to the TCU. This will fool the TCU into thinking that you are running a lower boost than you are. That way the TCU system will still be able to regulate the boost and lower it to stock level in case it feels it is needed. You will still be able to keep the safety against pinging and any slight overboost if you do it this way.

In some of the cars with B204FT/GT engines, you dont need a manual boost controller. The boost is controlled by the ECU and the new chip will raise the boost for you.



Q: What should I set the boost at?

A: That is of course dependant on the gas quality, but this is what I usually recommend:

B230FK, B230FT and B200FT:
The chips are made to run a maximum of ~15psi (1.05-1.1bar) on a stock car. That is the limit of the stock fuel system and stock turbo.

I recommend you to set the boost at 14-14.5psi if you can get good gas.

You can set the boost higher if you have the hardware to back it up.

B204FT and B204GT:
On the B204FT and B204GT engines the chips are made to run a maximum of 18psi+ (1.25-1.3bar). That is the limit of the stock fuel system and stock turbo.

I recommend you to set the boost at 16psi if you can get good gas.

You can try to go higher if you know what you are doing.

Stock boost on various engines:
B230FK = 5psi (0.35bar).
B230FT = 8psi (0.55bar).
B200FT = 8psi (0.55bar).
B204FT/GT = 6psi (0.4bar) base boost, 11.5psi (0.8bar) max boost.



Q: Will you be able to make a custom set of chips for me?

A: My first answer is no, and for many reasons. The chips I currently sell are based on several thousand hours of road testing, dyno testing and tuning. It has been developed with the help of many different cars with different mileage and in different shapes. And I donīt know how many thousand dollars that has been spent on it ($100.000+ maybe...). That is why they work so good and do what they do to keep the engine happy. I would say that the tuning of such a chip (these chips) are almost as serious as Volvo themselves are when designing one.

If we were to make a custom chip for you, which is really possible as long as you have the cash (it would cost up to ~$1000) and the ability to lend me your car, we could do it in a day or so on the dyno. But that chip will only work perfect and safe on your car, and your car only since all cars and setups are different.

But keep an eye out for a new chip type though, because youīll never know...



Q: Can I use another turbo, cam, injectors, FPR etc. with your chip?

A: Yes you can. Minor modifications may not require it, but if you do any hardware modifications it is always recommended to check the air/fuel-ratio under heavy load (WOT) to see to that you are not running lean or excessively rich.

LH2.4 often works great with up to ~30% bigger injectors without any further modifications. Stock injectors are rated at 30-32lb/hr depending on year and model, so up to ~40lb/hr injectors should work good if you want to increase the boost even further.

LH2.2 also works pretty good with bigger injectors up to ~37lb/hr (browntops), but requires some adjustments. The thread about installing browntops or equivalent is found here: How to install Brown Tops on LH 2.2! (http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=20676)

Using an adjustable fuel pressure regulator or a fuel pressure regulator with a different base pressure than stock to increase (or sometimes decrease) the fuel flow works very good. What is not recommended though is a RRFPR (rising-rate fuel pressure regulator) since the ECU canīt anticipate this and the car will in most cases run too rich or maybe give a fault-code. You should only install one of these if you know for sure that your setup requires it.

Installing a bigger turbo or cam that let the engine pump more air will in many cases require that you install bigger injectors or that you are running a more conservative boost level. As always, you should check the air/fuel-ratio just to be safe.



Q: Can I use a bigger AMM to run higher boost?

A: Using a bigger AMM on LH2.4 is also a great way to extend the ability of higher boost. The 3" AMM off a 91-94 960 with the last three digits 012 works on 99% of all LH2.4 ECUīs. Since this AMM is bigger than the stock AMM, you will need to match it with larger injectors. The percentual increase in cross-sectional area when going from a stock 016 AMM to a 012 AMM needs to be matched with an equal percentual increase in injector size.

You can also match bigger injectors with a custom size AMM to get the proportions right. Use the internals of a stock or 960 AMM and put them in a larger pipe. The ideal size for the AMM at your intended boost level can be optimized by measuring the voltage across pin 1 and 3 at full load. The AMM should show 5.0v at 1000rpm before the rev-limit (5.0v at 5250rpm if you use LH2.4). If the voltmeter show 5.0v before that rpm, the AMM is too small. And if the volmeter doesnīt show 5.0v until after that rpm, the AMM is too large. This is a fine balance between AMM and injector size but it will surely be rewarding once set up right.

LH2.2 users may not have many options of a bigger AMM unless you put the stock internals of the stock AMM in a larger pipe, or if you find an LH2.2 vehicle of another brand with a larger size AMM that works.

Except for the fact that you have to run proportionally larger injectors with a bigger AMM, you can also increase the injector size even further just like on the stock AMM. An increase of up to ~30% in flow over the calculated size may also work with the larger AMM.

All changes in AMM size will also result in slightly more advanced ignition timing. Always keep that in mind if you are doing a modification like this. Watch out for knock/ping.



Q: Will the chips work with alternate fuels like LPG or E85?

A: Most LPG systems are not designed for performance and the injectors are not easily replaceable, but the injectors are often of a large enough size for you to run the chips and 1bar (14.7psi) of boost to achieve 200HP+.

E85 also works like a charm (I am running E85 myself) and this fuel should be matched with at least 39% bigger injectors than stock because of a different AFR requirement to reach the desired lambda value. Full article about this can be found here: Converting to E85 (ethanol fuel) (http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=73061)



Q: Will the insurance company, the guys at the shop, the inspectors at the smog test / MOT or the police know that the car has been chipped?

A: No, not as long as they donīt drive the car, and they would also need to know how much power the car should have in stock form to compare it with. You should be more concerned about getting fined for your noisy exhaust or the catch-can not plumbed back into the intake :-D .



Q: Is the rev-limit raised or removed?

A: No, for many reasons.

One reason being that you would have to run lower boost across the board unless you have an electronic boost controller that regulates boost depending on rpm. At 14-15psi of boost the fuel flow is not sufficient for an extra 500-1000 rpm and then you would have to use bigger injectors, better cam etc. to support that. Those chips would not work on a stock car.

And one reason is that it is better for the automatic gearbox to keep the revs low. The automatics donīt like high revs. Those chips would not work on a stock car either.

Another reason is that the stock internals will have a questionable lifespan, especially the engines with 9mm rods. Much can go wrong and it is no fun if it does at 7000 rpm.

There are many other reasons for this decision as well.

But I will say this again: Keep an eye out for a new chip type though, because youīll never know...



Q: Since I donīt live in Sweden, do I have to pay import taxes or any additional fees?

A: The package will drop down in your mailbox just like ordinary mail.

However...

For customers in the European Union (EU):
VAT (25% tax) is added to the price for residents in the EU.
To buy the chips excl. VAT you need to supply your valid VAT-number or get someone outside the EU to buy the goods for you.
Legal documentation/description here: Swedish tax agency SKV 552b, 8th edition (http://www.skatteverket.se/download/18.61589f801118cb2b7b280001497/552b08.pdf)

For ustomers outside the European Union (EU):
No VAT (25% tax) is added to the price.



Q: Can I run a 16v head with your chips?

A: Yes, a set of B230FT+16v / B234F+T chips are now available for those who choose to build such an engine.

Only do this if you know what you are doing, and if you have the time to experiment with a setup that works for you. You need to dial in the AFRīs and be well aquainted with the sound of pinging and know when you have reached the limit of your setup.

What you will need as a minimum setup:

967 ECU and chippable EZK (that ECU is available worldwide).
B230 or B234 block (up to 9.5:1 CR).
Approx. 40lb/hr injectors (420cc/min).
3" AMM (original 3" 16v AMM or 3" 012 960 AMM).
Mitsubishi TD04HL-18T or 19T turbo (optional boost).
16v stock cams (no adjustable cam gears required).
B204FT/GT exhaust manifold (preferrably ported).
A good exhaust system.

Preferred setup:

967 ECU and chippable EZK (that ECU is available worldwide).
B230 block (8.2:1 - 8.7:1 CR).
Approx. 40lb/hr injectors (420cc/min).
3" AMM (original 3" 16v AMM or 3" 012 960 AMM).
T3/T4 turbo (optional boost, but 20-22psi is recommended).
16v stock cams (no adjustable cam gears required, but adjustable cam gears will be beneficial).
B204FT/GT exhaust manifold (preferrably ported), or custom header.
A good exhaust system.

Something to concider:

You should use a better intake manifold than the stock B234F. Preferrably a B204FT/GT intake manifold or a custom one. The stock B234F intake manifold is not balanced and will favour two of the cylinders more than the others and that can have catastrophical implications on your engine.

Expected power:

Minimum setup: 200-250HP when run as an LPT or low-boost engine. up to 300HP if you use it as a high-boost engine.

Recommended setup: More than 300HP. Your imagination is setting the limit (well... your credit card and your balls will probably be the limit).



Q: Can I go crazy and run a supercharger with your chips?

A: Yes, you can. It is untested but very likely, yes... It is just like running a turbo except you donīt have any backpressure and therefore you will have a better filling/emptying of the cylinders even further extending your ability to run higher boost and getting more power. Choose/adjust your cam wisely though.



Q: Is there a run-in procedure for these chips?

A: Yes. For the chips to work optimal you need to let them be run-in and adapt properly. I can understand that you want to go into boost ASAP after installing the chips and upping the boost. But please donīt. Let the car adjust, re-adjust and "settle in" before you try to time your 0-60 or whatever.

I know itīs hard, but please be patient.

It takes a while for the car to get use to the changes.
It will run a little bit odd or even like crap at first.
The first 10 times under boost or so, the car will not show its full potential.

My recommendation is to:
* Install the chips.
* Start it and let it idle for a while.
* Drive around, let it warm up.
* Set the boost to its recommended setting of ~14psi.
(The boost can be set higher on the B204FT and B204GT engines, and even higher in some cases)
* Drive it harder and harder and then drive "normal" for a while.
* Repeat a few times.
* A total of an hour or two of driving is often enough.
Now it will be showing ~90% of its potential.

It takes a day before it runs like it should.

After that you can raise your boost even more if you have the hardware to back it up.



Q: Which ECUīs and EZKīs are compatible?

A: Below is a list that is virtually complete.

I have taken the time to make a list of all the usual chippable cars/boxes, which years and models to find the ECUīs in for interchangeability, upgrading, replacing, +T-ing, finding a chippable EZK-box, deciding on if you will go the chip route, and so on.
It might make someones quest a little bit easier.

There may be even more ECU and EZK numbers that are chippable so if you find a number that is not listed and you suspect it to be chippable, please let me know.

LH2.4

240 Saloon (P242, P244) - 2.3 i CAT 08.88-07.90 115HP B230F
240 Estate (P245) - 2.3 i CAT 08.88-07.90 115HP B230F

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 140
0 227 400 169

All EZKīs are not "chippable". You have to open them up to check for a chip-socket on a daughter card mounted on the motherboard.
These EZKīs are not suitable for turbo or F+T without "chipping".

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240 Coupé, Saloon (P242, P244) - 2.3 i CAT 08.88- 115HP B230F
240 Estate (P245) - 2.3 i CAT 08.88- 115HP B230F
740 Estate (745) - 2.0 08.89-07.91 112HP B200F
740 Estate (745) - 2.0 08.89-07.91 112HP B200F
740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 08.88-07.90 115HP B230F
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 08.88-07.90 115HP B230F

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 146
0 227 400 169

All EZKīs are not "chippable". You have to open them up to check for a chip-socket on a daughter card mounted on the motherboard.
These EZKīs are not suitable for turbo or F+T without "chipping".

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740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 08.89-07.90 151HP B234F
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 08.89-07.90 151HP B234F
740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 08.89-07.90 156HP B234F
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 08.89- 156HP B234F
740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 04.88- 159HP B234F
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 04.88- 159HP B234F
940 Saloon (944) - 2.3 09.90- 156HP B234F
940 Estate (945) - 2.3 09.90- 155HP B234F

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 152
0 227 400 119
0 227 400 147

All EZKīs are not "chippable". You have to open them up to check for a chip-socket on a daughter card mounted on the motherboard.
These EZKīs are not suitable for turbo or F+T without "chipping".

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740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 Turbo 08.89-07.90 165 B230FT
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 Turbo 08.89-07.90 165 B230FT
780 Coupé - 2.3 Turbo 165-190HP B230FT

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 563
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3517370, 5003787)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 149 - EGR

All EZKīs are not "chippable". You have to open them up to check for a chip-socket on a daughter card mounted on the motherboard.

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760 Saloon (704, 764) - 2.3 Turbo 08.89-07.92 162 B230FT

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 560 - EGR
0 986 261 744 - recon. part, EGR
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3517368, 5003786)

0 280 000 563
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3517370, 5003787)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 149 - EGR

All EZKīs are not "chippable". You have to open them up to check for a chip-socket on a daughter card mounted on the motherboard.

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940 Estate (945) - 2.0 Turbo 01.91-07.95 155HP B200FT

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 596
0 986 261 762 - recon. part
(LH 2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3531721)

0 280 000 932
0 986 261 809 - recon. part
0 986 262 708 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 3547772, 5003832)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 117

All EZKīs are not "chippable". You have to open them up to check for a chip-socket on a daughter card mounted on the motherboard.

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940 Saloon (944) - 2.3 Turbo 08.90-07.94 165 B230FT
940 Estate (945) - 2.3 Turbo 08.90-07.94 165 B230FT

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 563
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3517370, 5003787)

0 280 000 937
0 986 261 813 - recon. part
0 986 262 709 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 1271895, 3547781, 5003837, 8601059)

0 280 000 954
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: n/a)

0 280 000 967
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: n/a)

0 280 000 939 - EGR
0 986 261 814 - recon. part
0 986 262 705 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 3547783, 5003952, 9135138, 9146219)

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940 Mk II Saloon (944) - 2.0 Turbo 04.96-10.98 155HP B200FT
940 Mk II Estate (945) - 2.0 Turbo 04.96-10.98 155HP B200FT

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 979
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 1275202, 8601146)

0 280 000 980 - Immobilizer
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: n/a)

0 280 000 981 - Immobilizer
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 1275467, 8601148)

0 280 000 932
0 986 261 809 - recon. part
0 986 262 708 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 3547772, 5003832)

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940 Mk II Saloon (944) - 2.3 Turbo 01.95-10.98 135HP B230FK
940 Mk II Estate (945) - 2.3 Turbo 01.95-10.98 135HP B230FK

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 977 - Immobilizer
0 986 262 706 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 1270539, 8601215)

0 280 000 962
0 986 262 707 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 8601218, 9135591)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 207 - EGR, some models only
0 227 400 219 - Some models only

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940 Mk II Saloon (944) - 2.3 Turbo 08.94-10.98 165HP B230FT & FT4
940 Mk II Estate (945) - 2.3 Turbo 08.94-10.98 165HP B230FT & FT4

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 983
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: n/a)

0 280 000 984 - immobilizer
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 8601361, 9125465, 9179343)

0 280 000 962
0 986 262 707 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 8601218, 9135591)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 207 - EGR, some models only

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740/760/940/960 - 2.0 16V Turbo 190/200HP B204FT/GT

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 597
0 986 261 763 - recon. part
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3531519, 5003776)

0 280 000 578
0 986 261 754 - recon. part
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3517718, 5003775)

0 280 000 926
0 986 262 702 - recon. part
0 986 262 711 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 3507258, 3547059, 5003826)

0 280 000 950
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: Should be interchangeable with 0 280 000 926)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 159
0 227 400 208

All EZKīs are not "chippable". You have to open them up to check for a chip-socket on a daughter card mounted on the motherboard.

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LH2.4 non-turbo

740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 08.89-07.90 151HP B234F/G
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 08.89-07.90 151HP B234F/G
740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 08.89-07.90 156HP B234F/G
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 08.89- 156HP B234F/G
740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 04.88- 159HP B234F/G
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 04.88- 159HP B234F/G
940 Saloon (944) - 2.3 09.90- 156HP B234F/G
940 Estate (945) - 2.3 09.90- 155HP B234F/G

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 549
0 986 261 738 - recon. part
(LH2.4.0 - Volvo p/n: 1367065, 5003789)

0 280 000 562 - EGR
0 986 261 746 - EGR, recon. part
(LH2.4.0 - Volvo p/n: 3507605, 3517372, 5003794)

0 280 000 571
0 986 261 751 - recon. part
(LH2.4.0 - Volvo p/n: 3507604, 3517608, 5003793)

0 280 000 911
0 986 261 805 - recon. part
(LH2.4.2 - Volvo p/n: 3547262, 5003792)

0 280 000 928
0 986 261 807 - recon. part
0 986 262 700 - recon. part
(LH2.4.3 - Volvo p/n: 3547788, 5003840, 9146218)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 152
0 227 400 119
0 227 400 147

All EZKīs are not "chippable". You have to open them up to check for a chip-socket on a daughter card mounted on the motherboard.

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LH2.2

740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 Turbo 08.86-07.89 156HP B230FT
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 Turbo 08.86-07.89 156HP B230FT
760 Saloon (704, 764) - 2.3 Turbo 01.88-07.89 162HP B230FT

LH2.2 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 541
(Volvo p/n: 1367487)

0 280 000 591
0 986 261 759
(Volvo p/n: 3531107, 5003765)

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Motronic ML1.1

740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 Turbo 08.85-12.88 182HP B230ET
740 Estate (745) - 2.3 Turbo 08.85-07.88 182HP B230ET
760 Saloon (704, 764) - 2.3 Turbo 08.84-10.88 182HP B230ET
760 Estate (704, 765) - 2.3 Turbo 08.84-07.89 182HP B230ET

Motronic ML1.1 (Fuel/ignition ECU):

0 261 200 022
0 261 200 026
0 986 262 313 - recon. part
(Volvo p/n: 1346945, 1367531, 5003799, 1367142, 1367533)

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740 Saloon (744) - 2.0 01.85-08.90 160HP (163HP) B200ET

Motronic ML1.1 (Fuel/ignition ECU):

0 261 200 023
0 986 261 050 - recon. part
(Volvo p/n: 1346946, 1367532, 5003800)

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And as another useful piece of information:
You can always put a newer ECU in an older car, but often not the other way around.
They are backwards compatible.



Q: I have something they call a "fuel cut". Will the chips remove it?

A: Yes. But you have to differentiate between fuel cut and maxing out the AMM. The chips will support as much as the hardware and A/D-converters in the ECU can handle, but when the AMM is maxed out (reading more than a certain air-flow and outputting more than a little over 5 volts) there is nothing you can do except for doing the "diode trick" (do a search for it) or go to a bigger size AMM in conjunction with bigger injectors.



Q: Do you sell chips for other cars than the ones mentioned here?

A: Yes, I sell chips for virtually any car but since this is a RWD Volvo forum the only chips listed are the ones for redblocks. If you have a specific request then send me a PM.



Q: Are there any LH2.2 or LH2.4 ECU numbers that are better than others?

A: Both yes and no...

For LH2.2:

The 541 and 591 ECU are the same but with two differences. The 591 has newer (better) components that makes it more durable and stable. The 591 also has a removable chip. Other than that the 541 and 591 doesnīt differ in function or driveability. With the mod-kit that is included in the 541 chip package the 541 becomes a 591.

For LH2.4:

When using my chips the acceleration enrichments and driveability will be (nearly) the same on all ECUīs and EZKīs because the software is the same.

But... (and this is why I said "nearly" in the previous sentence) the ECUīs will have different hardware and therefore also be somewhat different in their operation. Not everything is in the software. Some things are coded in the hardware. Some ECUīs are quicker, others are slower because of the CPU. Some of them have a better AMM control hardware, better A/D-converters and some will have better and more stable components. Some have better hardware routines and a different sequence (order) of collecting data and giving signals to the various engine components.

I like two specific generations of ECUīs better than the rest. The 56x (560 / 563) generation and the 97x/98x (977 specifically, and the 983 / 984).

Why? Yes, I will tell you:

The 56x ECUīs were the first fully digital ECUīs for turbo use in a Volvo and had to be something special. They are among the slowest ECUīs but they are the most adaptible since the designers wanted to be very careful and have a very fail-safe turbo fuel system. The earlier style ECUīs such as the 56x tend to always run a little bit richer than the newer ECUīs just to be safe.

And then there is the latest style LH2.4 ECU. It is the quickest of them all and they have all the newest most stable components and the best hardware coding. This unfortunately makes them very picky about which car they are in, not only because of the Immobilizer function but also because they are specifically matched to a certain hardware and are extremely well calibrated. All the latest style ECUīs will work exactly the same. They are the most stable and I say that they will not "un-learn" if you will.

Think of the 977, 983 and 984 as computer components. Letīs think of them as a computer motherboard. The motherboards are the same in all the ECUīs from the 560 all the way to the 984, but the later numbers have a newer revision of the hardware and the "BIOS" if we can call it that. The later versions of the ECUīs are made to deal with a larger number of functions and do them in a different order and put emphasis on some parts of the engine management and give other things less importance. Why? Because the designers of the ECUīs have been following what has happened to the cars equipped with these LH2.4 ECUīs through the years, and they have seen that some features are not as important as others and therefore evolved the newer ECU numbers to put the emphasis on other instructions. The earliest ECUīs (560 and 563) have a greater control over all the functions at the same time, while the newer ECUīs have greater control over the functions that seemed most important to the designers/tuners and for the specific application.

I like the 560/563 and the 977/983/984 generations both very much and it is hard to say which one is the best. They are good at two different things.

In short:

The 560/563 have the best adaptability and will always work better when something is skewed or wrong in the car. It will run better during bad circumstances than the newer ECUīs. Precision is lower than the newer ECUīs but adaptability is greater.

The 977/983/984 are more careful and adapts to a more precise tune (not so rough) and more importance is kept on the essential bits. They are probably not as adaptible as the first generation ECUīs when something is skewed or wrong in the car. The newer ECUīs trade adaptability for precision.

I have not seen a trend in the EZK boxes so far. I think they all have the same hardware, only different software since they are pretty simple in their construction and logic. Some component changes have been made through the years, but that is probably due to reliability reasons.

Oh... and another thing: The clock frequency is very low in all ECUīs even though the CPUīs in our fuel ECUīs are rated to run at a much higher speed (several times quicker than they do now). The choice of CPU in this case is probably also due to reliability reasons.



Q: How does the LH-Jetronic system actually work, and why do I need the chips?

A: A lot of people are very curious about how LH2.4 works and it is quite a lot to explain, so it is now added in the FAQ. Here we go...

What is said about LH2.4 also applies to LH2.2, and the only difference between the two systems in practice (except for the difference in hardware technology) is that LH2.2 is slower and not quite as adaptive, but that can be used to your advantage as well in many cases.

The basic function of LH2.4 is common to all the other engine managment systems from Bosch. They all work in basically the same way.

Startup:

When the LH2.4 ECU and EZK starts up it will go through a self-test to check that everything is OK (it will check the internal components, CPU, RAM, chip software, chip checksum). It will also check the presence of all components and temperatures of the different sensors, voltages etc. just like your normal computer BIOS. It is done very fast.

Cranking:

At cranking the ECU use a base map to start the car with a fixed amount of fuel. Based on the temperature of the engine, different pulsewidths for the injectors are used. Under -16°C the cold-start injector is activated. If a cold-start injector does not exist, it will enrich the mixture by widening the pulsewidth going to the injectors.

At cranking the EZK use a base map to start the car with a fixed amount of ignition advance. It will also alter between a few degrees up and down to crank the car (probing what works best). It will use different amount of ignition advance depending on the temperature. It only does this under certain conditions such as under a certain temperature etc. and not all the time.

Afterstart:

When the engine has started it will run on afterstart enrichment. The amount of fuel and ignition advance in the afterstart enrichment and how long the period should be is determined by the base map and the temperature of the engine.

The afterstart enrichment and ignition advance maps blends/overlays with the cold-start maps if the car is going from start of the engine to running a cold engine. The afterstart enrichment and ignition advance maps blends/overlays with the normal maps if the car is going from start of the engine to running an already warm engine.

Cold start:

The cold start maps for fuel and ignition are read up to a point where the temperature goes beyond a certain point. Then it blends/overlays with the normal maps less and less until the engine is close to operating temperature.

During all stages the ECU and EZK learns how to best keep a steady idle under different temperatures.

Normal running, adapting:

The engine is considered by the ECU to be at operating temperature when it is over approximately 60°C. Then only the normal maps are used without any blending/overlaying with the other maps.

When the engine is at operating temperature the EZK uses a fixed amount of ignition advance at idle.

When the engine is at operating temperature the ECU tries to maintain a stoichiometric mixture of the fuel (AFR 14.7). The O2-sensor tells the ECU if it is lean or rich and the ECU compensates by altering the pulsewidth of the injectors.

When the engine is at operating temperature the ECU tries to maintain a steady and fixed idle. It gets the rpm signal from the crank sensor and adjusts the idle-air motor to give the engine the right amount of air to keep the right speed. The speed is different depending on the temperature, but when the engine is at operation temperature the idle should be steady at the rpm written in your instruction book. The A/C-system, engine fan and gear position (automatic gearbox) will also tell the ECU when to adjust the idle not to stall when the A/C-compressor, engine fan or a gear is engaged.

When the engine is running on the normal maps it really gets to work. The ECU is looking at the O2-sensor under closed-loop and various light load conditions up to around 3500rpm or so to calculate how much fuel that is needed to keep the mixture stoichiometric. The AMM reads how much air is passing in to the engine and also helps the ECU estimate how much fuel to add (or else the ECU would be pretty slow to react if it only did its calculations off the O2-sensor alone). The values that the ECU learns is right to keep the mixture at stoichiometric mixture is written to the map in the chip to use as base values (this includes rewriting the cranking, afterstart enrichment and cold-start maps for later use).

The EZK does almost the same thing as the ECU. During low to medium load it is checking for pinging and if that should occur on a regular basis the ignition map is rewritten a little.

Normal running, function:

Both the ECU and EZK will adapt all the time, but eventually it has refined the maps enough that only minor corrections are made and when it has got that far you will not notice much of a difference in performance from day to day.

The ECU will use the maps it has stored + the flow reading from the AMM to run the car, and will use the O2 reading to make corrections to the maps if nessecary.

When the ECU sees an air-flow that is higher than the highest allowable number in the ECU closed-loop map (usually happens when the reading goes above what the ECU thinks is ~3psi of boost) the ECU goes in to open-loop. It will then make use of the air/fuel targets it has to run the engine. Since the ECU knows how much fuel is required to make an AFR of 14.7 on (x) amount of air-flow over the AMM and (y) amount of rpm, it can easy calculate how much further it has to extend the pulsewidth of the injectors to reach its target AFR (ideally ~12.5:1 to 12.0:1) at all air-flows and rpmīs. Basic mathematics.

The ECU sends out a load signal to the EZK which is composed from the AMM signal and modified by the chip in the ECU. Since the EZK knows the rpm it can advance/retard timing in reference to the load signal. How much the advance/retard should be is determined by what is written in the chip of the EZK for rpm vs. load.

If the EZK sense ping/knock it will retard the ignition by an amount governed by the amplitude and frequency of ping/knock. A casual ping or weak pingning means a little ignition retard, and more pingning or louder pinging means more ignition retard. When the EZK donīt hear pinging anymore it will try to advance the ignition again. The EZK will learn to handle the small pinging and adapt to it. If the EZK determines that it has done all it can to counteract pinging (if it has retarded the ignition more than the allowed value) it will send a signal to the ECU to enrich the fuel mixture to stop the pinging. Once again the same pattern is shown, the more pinging, the more fuel is told to be added. When the EZK doesnīt sense ping anymore it will try to decrease the signal to the ECU to lean the mixture out again.

* Exceptions, see bottom of this text.

When EZK pulls timing and LH2.4 adds more fuel it is often very noticeable as a decrease in power.

The rev limit is set at ~6300rpm. When the ECU reach 6300rpm it will shut down the injectors until the engine speed has dropped a few percent, it then enables the injectors again.

The engine fan is controlled by the ECU (and on some cars by relays) and has 2 speeds. The engine cooling fan operates at low-speed if coolant temperature is above 102°C. The engine cooling fan also operates at low-speed if the A/C-system pressure is greater than 17 bar on the high pressure side and the speed of the car is below 100kph. The engine cooling fan operates at high-speed if the engine coolant temperature (ECT-sensor) is above 115°C or the pressure in the A/C-system high pressure side exceeds 22 bar. The engine cooling fan always starts at low-speed for approximately 15 seconds before it can operate at high-speed. It always runs at low-speed for 5 seconds when it stops operating at high-speed. If the ignition is turned off when the fan is operating at high-speed it will continue at low-speed for 5 seconds. So as not to overload the engine there is a delay which prevents the fan from starting for 9 seconds after the engine has been started, no matter what the engine temperature or A/C-system pressure. To cool the engine and avoid overheating, the engine cooling fan will continue to operate at low-speed for three minutes if engine temperature exceeds 105°C when the ignition is switched off.

Acceleration:

During sudden positive throttle changes you will need to have more fuel for two reasons. Reason one being that when the pressure in the intake manifold changes, the fuel will condense on the runners of the manifold and in the head, causing a leaner condition. Reason two being that the engine needs more fuel to be resistant to ping and also to give a smooth transition into the power level you want. The ECU sees both a sudden change in the O2 reading (lean) as well as a sudden change in the AMM reading (more flow) and activates acceleration enrichment. The load signal to the EZK is also changed in a way to show the EZK that the throttle plate has suddenly opened and that it has to correct for that.

Deceleration:

When decelerating the ECU still has to meet the emission laws and on light deceleration it will still try to keep stoichiometric mixture.

When the throttle plate is closed (and the TPS switch is closed), the rpm is over 2000, the ECU shuts down the injectors to save fuel, to save the environment and to give more effective engine braking.

The ECU returns to normal running condition at approximately 1400-2000 rpm, depending on engine temperature.

Some ECUīs also make use of the speed signal from rear axle to determine wether or not to use deceleration mode. If the speed or both the speed and rpm is under a certain value it will not use deceleration mode.

A look at the stock ECU:

The maps in the stock chip will only reach to ~6300rpm and 10psi of boost (7psi stock + 30-40% of adaptability) on a stock car. After that the chip will guess (and interpolate) the values.

The maps and routines in the stock chip are there to run the car and also pass emission testing even if it is under very difficult conditions like dirty injectors, clogged fuel filter, carbon builup in the head, bad oil and extreme heat and cold on top of that. To keep the car running problem-free the resulting HP of the B230FT (to name one example) is 165HP. The maps are not even near to being optimal for maximal performance. The maps are basically made to be emissions friendly and fuel saving. They are not for performance at all.

The acceleration enrichment is made for 7-10psi only.

A look at the chipped ECU:

By chipping the ECU the maps are extended as far as the A/D converters can read. This means that the chip will use all the resources in the ECU and its sensors. The chip will have maps for as much as the ECUīs components are capable of (virtually unlimited if you have the right hardware connected to the ECU).

The acceleration enrichment is made for as much as the A/D converters can read and are more refined to give better driveability.

The routines for how the ECU should handle different load situations and transitions are performance oriented.

The AFR targets are altered for performance, driveability and power and is much more efficient than the stock chip.

The load signal sent to the EZK is also altered and refined.

Overall it will not use more or less fuel than the stock chip. But remeber that to make power you need more fuel and boost so if you have a heavy right foot it will of course consume more fuel.

The stock injectors max out at a little over 15psi and the AMM max out a little bit later, so that is the limit of the hardware in a stock car that has been chipped. The limit is not in the ECU itself. If you want even more power you will have to use larger injectors and a larger AMM in conjunction with your other upgrades.

Since the chip has extended the maps to the limit but the size is still 16x16 cells, the increments between the numbers in the cells are larger than stock. But this doesnīt mean that it is any more crude or have noticeable less resolution than the stock chip.

A look at the stock EZK:

The maps in the stock chip will only reach to ~6300rpm and 10psi of boost (7psi stock + 30-40% of adaptability) on a stock car. After that the chip will guess (and interpolate) the values.

The stock EZK has base maps targeted at giving maximum performance (maximum ignition advance) at ~87-89 octane (~91-93 octane EU). This means that you will not gain any power or driveability from running higher octane than that (on stock boost) since the ignition will be at the maximum allowed advance by the chip already at 89 octane. It is still safer to run higher octane though, since the car will then be more resistant to pinging if you should run in to such conditions requiring it, and then the EZK will not have to retard the timing.

The stock ignition map is not nearly advanced enough to give a pleasant driving experience (relatively speaking). In some areas it is a lot more retarded than it has to be and torque in some important areas of the powerband is lower than it should be.

Once again, the stock chip is only there for the reasons I pointed out in the "A look at the stock ECU" section.

A look at the chipped EZK:

Even in the EZK the maps are extended as far as the A/D converters can read. Only one thing is extended, and that is the portion of the map that refers to the load signal coming from the ECU (and that is the only limit). There are no other limits in the EZK that will have to change to get better performance and driveability since it is more simple than the fuel ECU. The EZK reads rpm vs. load and handles the temperature and knock sensor, so the only limit is the load signal which has been extended to its maximum.

The routines for how the EZK should handle different load situations and transitions are performance oriented.

The EZK chip has base maps targeted at giving maximum performance (maximum ignition advance) at 92-93 octane (98 octane EU). That means that the ignition will be at the maximum allowed advance by the chip at 93 octane. It is still safer to run higher octane though, since the car will then be more resistant to pinging if you should run in to such conditions requiring it, and then the EZK will not have to retard the timing.

By optimising the chip for 93 octane, it can run more ignition advance. Because of that you will gain power and the fuel consumption will be lower.

The ignition is as advanced as it can be across the entire range and does not have the "patches" of too litlle ignition advance as the stock chip does.

The enrichment signal sent to the ECU is also altered and refined.

Since the chip has extended the maps to the limit but the size is still 16x16 cells, the increments between the numbers in the cells are larger than stock. But this doesnīt mean that it is any more crude or have noticeable less resolution than the stock chip.

"Check engine light - CEL and limp-home mode":

Limp-home mode is the protective mode that the ECU reverts back to when something is faulty to protect the engine. When the ECU is in limp-home mode the ECU/EZK use a base map that is very rich and the ignition is retarded a lot. This is just for getting home to fix the problem, or to and from the Volvo dealer or the shop who will fix the problem for you.

The reason that the CEL comes on has many reasons. The main reasons will be explained here.

If the ECU/EZK chip is faulty or has a bad checksum in the software it will light the CEL and go into limp-home mode.

If the ECU/EZK has a problem (something broke) it will light the CEL and go into limp-home mode.

If the ECU has reached its adapting limits (if it is running too lean or too rich and canīt adjust it) it will light the CEL and go into limp-home mode.

If a vital component is broken or disconnected from the ECU/EZK it will light the CEL and go into limp-home mode.

The OBD system:

OBD stands for "On Board Diagnostics".

Many of the LH2.4 cars have a test-socket from which you can read the fault-codes of the ECU, EZK and TCU. The later model cars (1995-1998 940) has a serial interface instead of a test socket in which the VST-tool or an OBDII reader is supposed to plug in to read the fault-codes.

The LH2.4 ECU costantly monitors the following things:

-The control module's own, internal functions.
-Heated oxygen sensor (HO2S) and fuel trim.
-Engine coolant temperature sensor.
-Mass air flow (MAF) sensor.
-Battery voltage.
-Throttle position switch (TP switch).
-Engine speed (RPM) signal from the engine control module (ECM).
-Speedometer signal.
-Knock enrichment signal from the ignition system (does not apply to B 230 F, B 204 FT/GT).
-The idle air control (IAC) valve.

A fault in any of these functions is presented as a diagnostic trouble code (DTC) in diagnostic test mode (DTM) 1.

The EZK116 constantly monitors the following things:

-The control module's own, internal functions.
-Knock sensor (KS) signal.
-Fuel system load signal.
-Timing pick-up signal.
-Temperature sensor signal.
-Signal from the EGR converter.
-Signal from the EGR temperature sensor.

A fault in any of these functions is presented as a diagnostic trouble code (DTC) in test function 1.

All the diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) are reversible. This means that if a signal has resulted in a diagnostic trouble code (DTC) being stored and it is OK next time the ignition is turned on, the control module will use the programmed correct value instead of remaining in “limp-home” mode. But the diagnostic trouble code (DTC) remains stored in the memory.

Diagnostic Test Mode 1: Fault Code Retrieval.

* Place the cable into socket 2 (LH2.4 fuel injection test) or 6 (EZK116 ignition test).
* Turn the ignition ON to KPII without starting the engine.
* Select Mode 1 by pressing the button once and holding for more than 1 second but less than 3 seconds.
* The LED lamp will flash in successive series of three digits followed by a three-second pause. If there are no fault codes stored, it will flash 1-1-1 indicating the fuel injection system is operating correctly.
* Count the successive flashes and record the fault code.
* Press the button again.
* Record the fault code. If it is the same as the previous one, then no additional codes are stored. Repeat until all the codes stored are retrieved (maximum of three). If the car is from California you can read up to 17 fault-codes at the same time.
* Refer to the tables below for the interpretation of fault codes from the LH2.4 Fuel injection System and EZK 116 Ignition System.
* Move the cable into socket 6 (for ignition codes from EZK116) or socket 2 (for fuel injection codes from LH2.4) and repeat the above.

Erasing Fault Codes.

After you have retrieved all the Fault Codes in the steps above, you should erase the system memory.

* Repeat the steps above and read the fault codes again.
* Press and hold the button for more than five seconds, then release it.
* When the LED lights, press the button again for more than five seconds and release. If the LED goes off, then the memory is cleared.
* To test that memory is cleared, press the button again for >1 second and <3 seconds. If code 1-1-1 is returned, then the memory is cleared.
* Repeat the steps above with the other cable position mode (2 or 6) to erase LH2.4 or EZK116 codes.

Diagnostic Test Mode 2: System Sensor Signal Test.

This test is made to know whether signals are received from certain sensors and switches.

* For vehicles equipped with air conditioning, turn the a/c control to "on."
* Turn the ignition ON to KPII and install the cable into socket 6 for ignition-related tests.
* Press the button two times for >1 and <3 seconds each. The LED lamp should flash.
* Check the throttle position switch by turning the throttle pivot wheel slightly from within the engine compartment. The LED should go out and then flash code 3-3-4 which indicates proper operation of the TPS. If no code is flashed and the lamp keeps flashing, the TPS is faulty.
* After the tests, the LED should keep flashing.
* Crank the starter motor. The LED should go out, then flash 1-4-1 for the RPM sensor. If no code is flashed and the lamp keeps flashing, the RPM sensor is faulty.
* Install the cable into socket 2 for fuel injection-related tests.
* Press the button two times for >1 and <3 seconds each. The LED lamp should flash.
Activate the following sensors. If the LED diagnostic code shown (note: this is not a fault code) is present then the sensor or component is OK:

TPS OK in full load position (when throttle is moved), 3-3-3.
TPS OK in idle position (when throttle is moved), 3-3-2.
RPM sensor signal from ignition OK, 3-3-1.
A/C control on/off OK (when a/c switch is depressed or released), 1-1-4.
A/C compressor start OK, 1-3-4.
Engine idle speed compensation for automatic transmission OK, 1-2-4 (depress the brake pedal, move the selector to D and then to N).

* Exit Mode 2 by switching off the ignition.

Diagnostic Test Mode 3: Injection System Component Activation Test.

*Turn the ignition ON to KPII and install the cable into socket 2 for fuel-injection-related tests.
* Press the button three times for one second each time (waiting between >1 and <3 seconds before pressing again).
* The diagnostic unit then tests selected components: engine coolant fan (if equipped), fuel injectors, idle air control solenoid valve, carbon filter solenoid valve (if equipped), cold start valve, radio suppression relay and fuel pump, each of which you can hear or feel.
* Exit by switching off the ignition.

Alternate Diagnostic Test Mode 3: EGR System Component Activation Test (if equipped).
* Turn the ignition ON to KPII and install the cable into socket 6 to test the EGR system controller.
* Press the button three times for one second each time (waiting between >1 and <3 seconds before pressing again).
* The diagnostic unit then tests the EGR system controller which you can hear or feel.
* Exit by switching off the ignition.

LH2.4 Fuel Injection Fault Codes (DTC):

Socket position 2.

(The * means that the CEL is lit)

1-1-1 No faults detected.
1-1-2 Fault in control module.
1-1-3* Short-term fuel trim. Faulty control. Fuel trim (lambda control) too lean or rich.
1-2-1* Mass air flow (MAF) sensor signal. Faulty signal to/from Air Mass Meter.
1-2-3* Engine coolant temperature (ECT) sensor. Signal missing to/from coolant temp. sensor.
1-3-1 Engine speed signal from ignition system. Signal missing.
1-3-2 Battery voltage. Battery voltage too low/high.
1-3-3 Throttle position (TP) switch at engine idle. Throttle switch idle setting faulty or grounding fault.
2-1-2* Heated oxygen sensor (HO2S) signal. Faulty or missing signal.
2-1-3 Throttle position (TP) switch at full load. Faulty or missing signal.
2-2-1* Long-term fuel trim, part load. Lean part load.
2-2-3 Idle air control (IAC) valve signal. Faulty or missing signal.
2-3-1* Fuel trim (lambda control) too lean or too rich at part load.
2-3-2* Fuel trim (lambda control) too lean or too rich at idle.
3-1-1 Vehicle speed signal (VSS). Faulty or missing signal. (Also signal from speedometer).
3-1-2 Knock enrichment signal from ignition system. Faulty signal.
3-2-2 Mass air flow sensor (MAF). Air Mass Meter wire burn-off signal absent or faulty.
3-4-4 Exhaust gas temperature sensor. Faulty.

EZK 116 Ignition Fault Codes (DTC):

Socket position 6.

(The * means that the CEL is lit)

1-1-1 No faults detected.
1-4-2* Fault in control module.
1-4-3* Knock sensor (KS) signal. Faulty or missing signal.
1-4-4* Load signal. Faulty or missing signal.
1-5-4* EGR. EGR system flow too high.
2-1-4 Engine speed (RPM) sensor. Intermittently absent.
2-2-4 Engine coolant temperature (ECT) sensor. Faulty or missing signal.
2-3-4 Throttle position (TP) switch signal. Faulty or missing signal.
2-4-1* EGR (NTC). EGR system flow too low.
2-4-1* EGR (PTC). EGR system flow too low.
4-1-3* EGR temperature sensor signal (NTC). Faulty or missing signal.
4-1-3* EGR temperature sensor signal (PTC). Faulty or missing signal.

Special Fault Codes (DTC):

ABS Fault Codes (DTC):

Socket position 3.

1–1–1 No fault detected
1–2–5 Faulty signal from at least one wheel sensor
1–3–5 Fault in control module
1–4–2 Brake light switch, open circuit
1–5–1 L/H front wheel sensor, open or short–circ. to supply
1–5–2 R/H front wheel sensor, open or short–circ. to supply
1–5–5 Rear axle sensor, open or short–circ. to supply
2–1–5 Valve relay, open–circuit or short–circuit
2–3–1 L/H front wheel sensor, signal absent
2–3–2 R/H front wheel sensor, signal absent
2–3–5 Rear axle sensor, signal absent
4–1–1 L/H front wheel valve, open or short–circ.
4–1–3 R/H front wheel valve, open or short–circ.
4–1–5 Rear valve open or short–circ.
4–4–3 Pump motor/relay electrical or mechanical fault

TCU Fault Codes (DTC):

Socket position 5.

2-4-2 Turbo control valve. Open-circuit or shorted.
3-1-2 Knocking information. Signal faulty.
3-4-2 A/C blocking relay. Signal faulty.
4-2-1 Pressure sensor. Faulty boost pressure.
4-2-2 Exhaust gas temperature controller. Signal faulty.
4-2-3 Throttle position sensor. Signal faulty.
4-2-4 Load signal. Signal faulty.
4-3-1 Temperature sensor. Signal missing.

Exceptions of some engines:

The B204FT and B204GT are somewhat different than the other engines. It still uses LH2.4 and all of its functions, but works a little different.

The B204FT and B204GT have some extra hardware. An EGT-sensor (for sensing the exhaust temperature), a TCU (turbo control unit for adjusting boost pressure) with a built-in MAP-sensor (for sensing boost pressure), and a variable TPS (throttle position sensor) just like the ones found in late 240īs with LH3.1 and all FWD cars from the 850 and up.

The AMM on B200G, B204E, B230G, B230GT, B234G and B204GT engines have an adjustment screw for setting CO when the engine is idling. This has been omitted on the other engines as the oxygen sensor control is adaptive throughout its range.

The EGT sensor senses the exhaust temperature and sends a signal to the fuel ECU, which gradually increases the injection pulsewidth when the exhaust temperature reach a critical level (approximately 950°C). This contributes to a lower combustion temperature which in turn reduces the exhaust gas temperature, after which the increased fuel supply stops when the exhaust gas temperature has reached a normal level.

Function of the TCU:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/P8272639.JPG

The TCU controls the turbocharger boost pressure, electric cooling fans and climate control AC-compressor.

The variable TPS on the B204FT and B204GT engines provides the TCU with information on the throttle angle. This is to counteract turbo lag and also to give a certain amount of boost for a given throttle input.

The TCU reads the boost pressure via the built-in MAP sensor. It also reads the rpm (from the fuel ECU), the ECT-sensor (engine temperature), the speed from the vehicle speed sensor and the signals from the A/C pressure switches.

The TCU sends a signal to the fuel ECU about idle air trim when the engine cooling fan runs at high-speed when the engine is idling.

The TCU disconnects the A/C-compressor when there is a high load on the engine such as during acceleration.

The B204FT and B204GT engines use the knock-sensing circuit just like the rest of the LH2.4 cars, but uses it differently. When the EZK sense knock/ping it will adjust, but if the EZK determines that it has done all it can to counteract pinging (if it has retarded the ignition more than the allowed value) it will send a signal to the TCU instead of the fuel ECU. The signal from the EZK tells the TCU to lower boost pressure. Once again the same pattern is shown, the more pinging, the more the boost is lowered. When the EZK doesnīt sense ping anymore it will try to decrease the signal to the TCU to raise the boost again.



Q: So... what do you have cookin' right now?

A: Some changes to the current chips and/or new chips will be released very soon. This includes:

* Chips with a higher rev limit. Probably somewhere around 6750rpm.

* Chips optimized for E85 (both fuel and ignition chips of course).

* Chips to run very large injectors and AMM. Think 50lb/hr+... That will be nice for all of you that plan to run very high boost levels.

* A daughterboard for both the ECU and the EZK to run two sets of chips. Switchable tables for gas/E85 or similar...

* A mod-kit for all unchippable EZK boxes, making them chippable. (I guess that this is something many people on the board desire...)



Q: I need some schematics for LH2.4. Can you supply me with that? And do you have any other interesting schematics?

A: Yes, I have some schematics that may come in handy while you are digging under the dash and in the engine bay. I also have some schematics for the rare models, and some other odd and additional functions that may be interesting.

Volvo 940, B230FT, 1995-1998:

(Can also be used for pre-1995 models of 940 and 740 with B230FT)

ECU:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B230FT/LH2_4%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B230FT/LH2_4.jpg)

EZ116K:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B230FT/EZ116K%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B230FT/EZ116K.jpg)

Instrument cluster:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B230FT/Instrument%20rotated%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B230FT/Instrument%20rotated.jpg)

Volvo 960, B204FT, 1991-1994:

(For most people installing a B204FT engine or a custom setup B230FT+16v engine, these may come in handy for rewiring)

ECU:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20ECU%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20ECU.jpg)

EZ116K:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20EZK%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20EZK.jpg)

TCU:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20TCU%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20TCU.jpg)

B204FT e-fan (not the same setup as B230FT e-fan):
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20fan%20(Custom).JPG (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20fan.JPG)

B204FT ECC (not the same setup as B230FT ECC):
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20ECC%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B204FT/B204FT%20ECC.jpg)

Other rare functions:

(May come in handy for other use than originally intended)

Diesel preheating, D24TIC:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/Other%20functions/Diesel%20preheating%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/Other%20functions/Diesel%20preheating.jpg)

Overload (overboost) sensor, D24TIC:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/Other%20functions/Overload%20sensor%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/Other%20functions/Overload%20sensor.jpg)

Exhaust temperature sensor (warning sensor), not the same as EGT sensor on B204FT:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/Other%20functions/Temperature%20sensor%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/Other%20functions/Temperature%20sensor.jpg)



Q: Do you have a pinout list for the LH2.4 ECU's?

A: Yes. Here you will find a list with the pin name and voltages and/or the logical function.

The pinout may differ between models, years and what kind of accessories and equipment the car came with.

ECU pinout list:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/LH2.4/lh24ecupinout%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/LH2.4/lh24ecupinout.jpg)

EZ116K pinout list:
http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/LH2.4/lh24icupinout%20(Custom).jpg (http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/LH2.4/lh24icupinout.jpg)

ECU:

1: Engine speed signal input 6.5 - cranking, >8 - idle
2: TPS signal input 0.2 - Idle speed, 4 - Full load
3: TPS signal secondary input 1.0 - Idling, 10 - Full load
4: Power supply +30 input 12
5: Signal Ground 0.0 - Separate from power ground
6: Mass air flow 0.0 - Separate from power ground
7: Mass air flow input 2.0 - Idling, 5.0 - Full Load
8: Mass air flow, burn-off Output 4.0 - At burn-off, 0 -otherwise
9: Power supply from main input 12
10: Low-speed pressure sensor, engine cooling fan
11: A/C Time-delay Relay, High-speed pressure sensor, engine cooling fan
12: Diagnostics lead I/O
13: Temp Sensor input 4(-20C) -0.5(80C)
14: A/C, ACC load Signal input 12-Auto, 0-ECON
15: Jumper for cold start 0-no cold start, 12 cold start
16: Diagnostics Lead I/O
17: Chassis Ground
18: Injectors control signal Output 7.1Hz, 2.4-4.5ms
19: EGR Valve Output 12 - inactivated, <12 active
20: Fuel Pump relay signal 1-activ, 12-Ign on
21: Main relay operating circuit Output 1 - Ignition on, 12 - Ignition off
22: Check Engine Light Output 12-off, 1-on
23: EGR Temp Sensor input 4.5 -EGR closed, <4.5 -Open
24: Oxygen Sensor input 0.6 - 1.0 - Rich, 0.0 - 0.4 - Lean
25: Load Signal Tq EZK/DI Output Freq incr with throttle opening
26: Shift-Up light Output 12 - Not activated,0 - Activated
27: EVAP Canister purge valve Output 12 - Open, 1 - Closed
28: PRE-IGNition, DI/APC input 0-Preign, 6.5-stable, 12-knock
* Turbo+ Knock enrichment, trigger
* (B204FT/GT TCU) EGT sensor, trigger
29: Codification input 12 - Automatic transmission
30: Raising engine idle speed input 12-R,D,1,2,3, 0 - P,N, and manual
31: Consumption signal to EDU Output Freq incr with throttle opening
32: Cold start valve Output Battery voltage - Not activated
33: IAC valve Output 5-11 - Idling, no load
34: Speed Sensor input 6 -Rotating, 0 or 12 - Stationary
35: Power Supply +15 input 12-Ign on

EZ116K:

1: OBD diagnostic socket (in some markets: serial interface)
2: Coolant temp sensor
3: Check Engine Light output, shared with ECU pin 22. Signals: 12-off, 1-on
4: PRE-IGNition, output to ECU pin 28. Signals: 0-Preign, 6.5-stable, 12-knock
5: 12v supply, constant
6: 12v supply, switched
7: Throttle idle switch
8: Load Signal Tq, from ECU pin 25
9:
10: Engine speed sensor
11: Engine speed sensor (shield)
12: Knock sensor (shield)
13: Knock sensor
14: EGR, Ground connector on engine (power ground)
15: EGR, converter, control
16: Igntion amplifier drive, trigger
17: Engine speed signal output. Signals: 6.5-cranking, >8-idle
18: Selector wire. Signals: 5v-disabled, grounded-enabled
19: Selector wire. Signals: 5v-disabled, grounded-enabled
20: Ground connector on engine (signal ground)
21:
22: EGR, temperature sensor
23: Engine speed sensor
24:
25:

TCU (740 and 960 with B204FT/GT):

1: Turbo control valve (boost solenoid)
2:
3: OBD diagnostic socket
4: Relay, engine cooling fan, Control module ECC, ECU Pin 15
5: Relay, engine cooling fan
6: Blocking relay A/C
7: Throttle position (TP) switch/TP sensor
8: Throttle position (TP) switch/TP sensor
9: Temperature sensor TCU
10: Exhaust gas temperature sensor
11: High-speed pressure sensor, engine cooling fan
12: Low-speed pressure sensor, engine cooling fan
13: Combined instrument, speed sensor
14: Load Signal Tq, from ECU pin 25
15: 12v supply, constant
16:
17:
18:
19:
20: Ground connector on engine (signal ground)
21: Ground connector on engine (signal ground)
22:
23: 12v supply, switched
24: Throttle position (TP) switch/TP sensor, ground
25: Temperature sensor TCU, ground
26:
27:
28:
29:
30: PRE-IGNition, DI/APC Pin 4 input 0-Preign, 6.5-stable, 12-knock
31:
32:
33:
34:
35:



Q: What kind of ECU's are there for the naturally aspirated cars, and which one will fit in my car?

A: Since many have asked about this, I have made a list.

LH2.2

240 (P242, P244, P245) - 2.3 i CAT 08.86-07.93 115HP B230F

LH2.2 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 554 (Replacement for 0 280 000 544)
0 280 000 544 (Replacement for 0 280 000 511)
0 280 000 511
0 986 261 737 - recon. part
(Volvo p/n: 3517011, 1389094, 5003707)

EZ 117 K (Ignition ECU):

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740 Saloon (744) - 2.3 08.87-07.92 115HP B230F

LH2.2 (Fuel ECU):

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EZ 117 K (Ignition ECU):

***

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LH2.4

240 (P242, P244, P245) - 2.3 i CAT 08.86-07.93 115HP B230F

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 561
0 986 261 104 - recon. part
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 5003782, 3517407, 9146578)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 140 - EGR
0 227 400 146
0 227 400 162 - EGR
0 227 400 169
0 227 400 209 - EGR
0 986 262 304 - recon. part, EGR

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740 (744, 745) - 2.0 08.89-07.91 112HP B200F

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 590
0 986 261 758 - recon. part
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3531206, 5003771)

0 280 000 594
0 986 261 760 - recon. part
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3531831)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 176

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740 (744, 745) - 2.3 08.87-07.92 115HP B230F

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 935
0 986 261 811 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 3547777, 5003835)

0 280 000 561
0 986 261 104 - recon. part
(LH2.4.1 - Volvo p/n: 3517407, 9146578)

0 280 000 951
0 986 261 817 - recon. part
(LH2.4.2 - Volvo p/n: 5003926, 6842115, 9146223)

0 986 262 713 - recon. part (NOTE: Newer LH2.4.4 replacement)
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 5003926, 9146223)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 146
0 227 400 169 - EGR
0 986 262 304 - recon. part, EGR

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940 (944, 945) - 2.0 01.92-07.94 112HP B200F

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 936
0 986 261 812 - recon. part
0 986 262 704 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 3547779, 5003836)

0 280 000 949
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 6842289)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 176

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940 / 940 Mk II (944, 945) - 2.3 08.92-07.95 116HP B230FD

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 943
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 6842056, 8601039, 9146794)

0 280 000 946
0 986 262 712 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 1275762, 8251084, 3507179, 8601150, 9146221, 9146847)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 196 - Automatic gearbox
0 227 400 231 - Manual gearbox

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940 / 940 Mk II (944) - 2.3 08.90-07.95 131HP B230FB

LH2.4 (Fuel ECU):

0 280 000 934
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 243315, 5001281, 6842288)

0 280 000 935 - A/C equipped vehicles
0 986 261 811 - recon. part
(LH2.4.4 - Volvo p/n: 3547777, 5003835)

EZ 116 K (Ignition ECU):

0 227 400 175



Q: Since you now also offer NA 8v chips, can you then tell me more about them?

A: The package consists of two chips. One for the fuel ECU and one for the EZK, just like the other LH2.4 chip packages.

Only the 951 fuel ECU is supported. Any EZK can be used (as long as its chippable of course).

Will give you up to 10-15HP on a stock car (B230F). The chips are made to make use of the upgrades you can make to a naturally aspirated engine.

The setup we really had in mind was something like this:

* 531 head and/or port work.
* Better cam than the M.
* Good exhaust.
* Better intake piping.
* Pretty high compression. 10-ish or a little more.

The chips are tuned for use with a B230FB / FX with some modifications. So these are made for it. It will of course give a bigger power increase on the B230FB and B230FX with some modifications, than on a B230F that is nearly stock.

They will work on the B230F as well of course. It has all been extensively tested.

The NA 8v chips will do what the turbo chips and the NA 16v chips do.

* The right AFR's under all load conditions for best power and efficiency.

* Correct acceleration enrichment.

* As advanced ignition timing as possible under all load conditions.



But... this is different from the turbo chips (NA 16v chips included in the following text):

The NA chips are optimised for 95/96 octane EU (91-92 octane US).

Why?

Because if it was optimised for 98/99 octane EU (94+ octane US), the NA cars would ping under normal load conditions if filled up with 91 or 92 octane.

A turbo engine would not do that. It would just be limited in how much boost it could run. It all has to do with the VE as a naturally aspirated engine. A turbo engine has a turbo shoved up its rear and then the VE out of boost will be lower than the naturally aspirated engine. The compression ratio (both SCR and DCR) and cam also has a lot to do with it.

Of course the turbo engine would also ping when not in boost if the octane was low enough, but the turbo engine has a higher safety margin against ping due to what I said above.



Q: I have EGR in my car, and for some reason (the old ones are broken, upgrading, etc. etc.) I want to replace my ECU and EZK. I do not want to have the check engine light lit. Which EZK and ECU do I have to choose?

A: The ECU has nothing to do with the EGR function. The EZK is the one that reads the EGR temp sensor and actuates the EGR valve. The EZK is the only box that have to support EGR. Look at the ECU/EZK list higher up in this post.

As an extra piece of information: The ECU is in many cases different if it comes from an EGR equipped car. As you can see from the ECU list, there are some numbers that are listed as EGR ECU's. The only thing that is different about them though, is that they have just a slightly different fuel map to get the car to run smoother without hickups when the EGR system is enabled (at low load cruising and/or at idle). An ECU listed as EGR-specific will not affect the performance of your car if it is used in a car without EGR.



Q: My car has EGR and I want to get rid of it. What do I do?

A: My chips will disable the EGR function so that you can remove the EGR hardware without a problem. Or you can get a non-EGR EZK since they will not trigger the check engine light.



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frpe82
12-06-2006, 08:05 PM
All threads, info and FAQ is back.

Yep... Now I have worked my ass off and all the threads that got lost or f-ed up in the crash or outdated in the backup are now redone and updated with the latest info.

So the "Chips for redblocks", "Feedback: Chips for redblocks", "Chipping FAQ" and "Converting to E85 (ethanol fuel)" are now back again in full glory.

And yes... I have backups of them all.

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

frpe82
12-28-2006, 01:38 PM
Thread update today, and bump :-P

Anything else we should add to the FAQ that might be of interest to the others? I know you have more questions than this.

Dragonfly1873
12-29-2006, 03:37 PM
what are the advantages over chiping compared to ms&s ecu? i know that with the new ECU thiers lots of programing but are the end result HP to far off?

frpe82
12-29-2006, 05:56 PM
what are the advantages over chiping compared to ms&s ecu? i know that with the new ECU thiers lots of programing but are the end result HP to far off?
On a stock car the only thing you have to do is to install the chips + an MBC set at 15psi (a calibrated boost gauge is also recommended). Then you can enjoy up to 220HP without caring about anything else. No tuning or hassle. Simple as that.

On a stock car the HP and torque figures are very similar between LH2.4 and MS since the chips I sell are as agressive as possible on the stock hardware.

The chips will support a lot of changes and a lot of HP if you configure the hardware right. But if you have a setup that is very different from stock and want to configure it to 100% then MS (or any other aftermarket EMS) is the way to go.

lammmy
12-30-2006, 02:45 PM
Here's a question about installing the chips. I have the lh 2.2 sitting here just waiting to be installed, but I'm a little scared about opening the box. I have it out, but I'm not sure how to actually open the ECU. I see two screws and about 6 metal tabs.

Do I pull back the tabs with a screwdriver, or loosen the screws, or both?

EDIT: I bit the bullet and pulled the tabs back, turns out, that is correct, the cover pops off and then the two screws are what hold the actual board to the case. Undo those and then the 1 smaller screw near the main ECU connector (where it plugs into the wiring harness) and the circuit board will pop right out. It doesn't look so bad now that its open.

Whats the easiest way to solder the actual socket in there? do you just use the existing solder that is already on the board and run your iron along it until the feet slide in?

frpe82
12-30-2006, 05:00 PM
Here's a question about installing the chips. I have the lh 2.2 sitting here just waiting to be installed, but I'm a little scared about opening the box. I have it out, but I'm not sure how to actually open the ECU. I see two screws and about 6 metal tabs.

Do I pull back the tabs with a screwdriver, or loosen the screws, or both?

EDIT: I bit the bullet and pulled the tabs back, turns out, that is correct, the cover pops off and then the two screws are what hold the actual board to the case. Undo those and then the 1 smaller screw near the main ECU connector (where it plugs into the wiring harness) and the circuit board will pop right out. It doesn't look so bad now that its open.

Whats the easiest way to solder the actual socket in there? do you just use the existing solder that is already on the board and run your iron along it until the feet slide in?
This is not really specific to chipping, but I can answer it anyway.

Remove the solder on the board with a desoldering pump or desoldering wick. Put the component (or socket in your case) in the hole or on the island on the board. Solder with new solder and a clean soldering iron.

lammmy
12-31-2006, 12:43 AM
Thanks man, I'm fairly confident usually, but usually thats in school that I have soldered, and I knew you would have some tips, since you are obviously experienced in the area. Once again, thanks and keep up the good work. I will post in the feed for chips once finished.

frpe82
01-02-2007, 03:41 PM
Holy cow Batman! A major update was made to my article.

What has been added today:
* How LH2.4 works (simplified version)
* LH2.4 fault-codes and how to test and handle them.

rgalgon
01-02-2007, 04:47 PM
very cool, like the updated explanation for how it all works

IceCold4x4
01-02-2007, 10:46 PM
SWEET wish we had a rep system for good contributions . . . .

Rulli
02-09-2007, 09:39 AM
Hello,
What is the cost of a chip for my 960 2.0 16V Turbo. It is the B204FT engine. Do you have chips for these cars? I live in Luxemburg? Do you ship it here?
Thank You

JW240
02-09-2007, 09:52 AM
Hello,
What is the cost of a chip for my 960 2.0 16V Turbo. It is the B204FT engine. Do you have chips for these cars? I live in Luxemburg? Do you ship it here?
Thank You

since FRPE82 is not online now i'll answer your questions as good as i can:
yes he sells chips for the 16VT engines. The engine you have is very strong and will support a lot.
He ships to Holland, the USA, the UK and other countries as well, so Luxemburg wont be a problem

see this thread for more info: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=57781

frpe82
02-09-2007, 12:34 PM
Hello,
What is the cost of a chip for my 960 2.0 16V Turbo. It is the B204FT engine. Do you have chips for these cars? I live in Luxemburg? Do you ship it here?
Thank You
Yes, I ship all over the world.

You can find the price in my thread where I sell the chips.

The B204FT will get 70HP and 55NM extra, but... I now have an updated map for the ignition which will give you an additional 10-15HP (resulting in 80-85HP extra and 65-70NM extra) and much more low rpm power.

amargill19?
02-09-2007, 01:49 PM
chip for lh on a b230f n/a?

if this is possible, what would the specs be and how would it get the extra horsepower?

frpe82
02-09-2007, 05:05 PM
chip for lh on a b230f n/a?

if this is possible, what would the specs be and how would it get the extra horsepower?
Yes, chips for B230F, FB, FD, FX exist but they are not often requested.

The power will be +10HP and +15NM (11lb/ft) on a stock car. The power (and powerband) will be much better with a good exhaust, bigger throttle body, better cam etc.

The driveability and feel will be much better and the "sluggishness" will be removed.

Since it is so rare and not included in the group-buy, the price is ~$400.

How will it get the extra horsepower??? What do you mean by that?

frpe82
02-09-2007, 05:27 PM
I donīt know if any of you have noticed it yet, but I have added some more info to the FAQ...




Q: So... what do you have cookin' right now?

A: Some changes to the current chips and/or new chips will be released very soon. This includes:

* Chips for B230FT+16v / B234F+T. With the recommended setup you will have ~300HP. A list of neccesary hardware will be published once the chips are done. A lot more than 300HP is also possible when using bigger/better parts than the recommended setup...

* Chips with a higher rev limit. Probably somewhere around 6750rpm.

* Chips optimized for E85 (both fuel and ignition chips of course).

* Chips to run very large injectors and AMM. Think 50lb/hr+... That will be nice for all of you that plan to run very high boost levels.

* A daughterboard for both the ECU and the EZK to run two sets of chips. Switchable tables for gas/E85 or similar...

amargill19?
02-09-2007, 11:33 PM
very nice... what I meant by "how will it get the xtra horsepower" was is is all advancing spark and AFR adjustments and what not?

dumb question anyways... $400 seems a little steep ATM But I like that LH chips are available turdblo or not.

frpe82
02-10-2007, 06:47 AM
very nice... what I meant by "how will it get the xtra horsepower" was is is all advancing spark and AFR adjustments and what not?

dumb question anyways... $400 seems a little steep ATM But I like that LH chips are available turdblo or not.
Yes, the extra power and driveability comes from a better fuel curve with different AFRīs, and from a better ignition curve which is as advanced as it can be on a stock engine.

Expensive...? You do know that I probably have the cheapest chips in the world, right? :wtf:

Sure... expensive for Turbobricks, and expensive compared to the other chips, and also expensive in relations to $/HP. That I can agree on, so donīt worry.

v40jlt4
02-10-2007, 07:44 AM
I donīt know if any of you have noticed it yet, but I have added some more info to the FAQ...


* Chips to run very large injectors and AMM. Think 50lb/hr+... That will be nice for all of you that plan to run very high boost levels.
...

Now this is interesting stuf,... With large AMM do you mean 012 or bigger?


* A daughterboard for both the ECU and the EZK to run two sets of chips. Switchable tables for gas/E85 or similar...

Or switchable between Super-fast & "wife"-modus :-D

JW240
02-10-2007, 08:31 AM
Or switchable between Super-fast & "wife"-modus :-D
use a EBC :-P
Could be very useful indeed. Stock chips and stock boost or the chips combined with high boost. Maybe thats possible...

I am very interested in the solution for running E85 and normal gas. First i'll experiment with the normal chips, they seem to work great.

frpe82
02-10-2007, 03:27 PM
Now this is interesting stuf,... With large AMM do you mean 012 or bigger?
Yes. Since that will be needed whichever way you go. If you use 50lb/hr+ injectors you shurely must have a power goal in mind that goes beyond the stock AMM.

Or switchable between Super-fast & "wife"-modus :-D
Hehe :-P

use a EBC :-P
Could be very useful indeed. Stock chips and stock boost or the chips combined with high boost. Maybe thats possible...
More like tuned chips + stock boost and high boost, and/or the possibilty to switch ignition maps.

amargill19?
02-10-2007, 09:09 PM
I meant steep in comparison with the value of the car it's for lol.

its prolly more than 25% the car's worth.

How many people would you need for a GB and what would be savings?

frpe82
02-10-2007, 11:15 PM
I meant steep in comparison with the value of the car it's for lol.

its prolly more than 25% the car's worth.

How many people would you need for a GB and what would be savings?
10 sets of chips (usually 10 buyers, which is stated in the group-buy thread).

And you will save $190 per chip package ($450 regular price, $260 group-buy price) by using the group-buy. Although I am known to be generous and letting people in on the same price if the group-buy just ended and they have decided that they really want it.

amargill19?
02-11-2007, 01:03 AM
that would be worth it IMO, to squeeze out some more power in the NA daily driver...

will have a vx cam advanced 4 degreez prolly, along with freer flowing exhaust and what not...

do you mind if I maybe strike up a feeler thread on this?

frpe82
02-11-2007, 07:36 AM
that would be worth it IMO, to squeeze out some more power in the NA daily driver...

will have a vx cam advanced 4 degreez prolly, along with freer flowing exhaust and what not...

do you mind if I maybe strike up a feeler thread on this?
I was actually referring to the price of the turbo chips in my earlier post, not thinking that it was actually the NA chips you were asking about... I will still see what I can do about the price, and it will probably be similar I hope.

It is hard to get NA chips for all ECUīs though. Some ECUīs are very bad in terms of both hardware and software, and some canīt be chipped at all. You may need some specific ECU numbers to get a NA car chipped at all. But if you are determined to chip it, finding another NA ECU that is chippable will not be very hard or expensive.

So yes, put up a feeler for this and I will see what I can do at my end.

B Mac66
02-11-2007, 02:09 PM
another good question for you Freddy...So when are you coming to rock the states??? haha

frpe82
02-11-2007, 02:31 PM
another good question for you Freddy...So when are you coming to rock the states??? haha
Soon, very soon...

series1000
02-13-2007, 04:58 PM
i was just wondering if my car was chippable. its an 83 244 glt b21ft, and i have done various mods to it, i can list all mods and planned mods if needed, (the car currently runs 17psi and only 94 chevron gas)

frpe82
02-13-2007, 05:13 PM
i was just wondering if my car was chippable. its an 83 244 glt b21ft, and i have done various mods to it, i can list all mods and planned mods if needed, (the car currently runs 17psi and only 94 chevron gas)
Does that car even have electronic fuel and ignition control???

Is that not K-jet?

series1000
02-14-2007, 12:00 AM
i dont quite understand what k jet is. its ci non electronic injectors, so im thinkin that its non chippable, how ever the comp did relearn when i cranked up the boost after about a week of drivin, it does have electronic cold start and an o2 and some other minor things, i was just wonderin.

frpe82
02-14-2007, 06:50 AM
No, that one is not chippable. Iīm sorry.

i drift volvos
02-14-2007, 11:39 AM
im a lil confused...tried searching but didn't come up w/ an answer. I have a 87 740 TI w/ a 2.3....do i have k-jet?

Thanks,
Cody

frpe82
02-14-2007, 01:05 PM
im a lil confused...tried searching but didn't come up w/ an answer. I have a 87 740 TI w/ a 2.3....do i have k-jet?

Thanks,
Cody
No, most likely itīs LH2.2.

i drift volvos
02-14-2007, 01:33 PM
No, most likely itīs LH2.2.

I meant it's a 2.3 liter......b23ft or whatever it is.....just don't know about k-jet

frpe82
02-14-2007, 02:20 PM
I meant it's a 2.3 liter......b23ft or whatever it is.....just don't know about k-jet
No, all 740 TI from '87 should have LH2.2.

Motronic ML1.1 is also a possibility, but not in the US.

i drift volvos
02-14-2007, 03:28 PM
No, all 740 TI from '87 should have LH2.2.

Motronic ML1.1 is also a possibility, but not in the US.

Nevermind...im not making any sense. Thanks for all the help...sorry for being so confusing

series1000
02-14-2007, 04:32 PM
No, that one is not chippable. Iīm sorry.

no worries

thelostartof
02-14-2007, 07:31 PM
rev limiter update? or just update on what ya'll are doing testing stuff? anything close to results?

frpe82
02-14-2007, 07:49 PM
rev limiter update? or just update on what ya'll are doing testing stuff? anything close to results?
What it looks like at this point is:

Since not all cars/ECUīs have the ability to modulate the rev limiter more than a few hundred rpmīs, we are looking into a hardware solution. This includes swapping a few components (capacitors, resistors etc.) in the ECU.

I am truly sorry it is taking so long time Mike. It has proven to be harder than expected.

casioqv
02-17-2007, 11:10 PM
Is higher octane fuel required on LH 2.2 models (with just a fuel chip, and no EZK chip)? Have you tested these chips with the Mitsubishi TD04 Turbo? Since they produce hotter air at the same boost levels than a T3, I would expect that they would require a richer fuel map to compensate.

thelostartof
02-17-2007, 11:27 PM
What it looks like at this point is:

Since not all cars/ECUīs have the ability to modulate the rev limiter more than a few hundred rpmīs, we are looking into a hardware solution. This includes swapping a few components (capacitors, resistors etc.) in the ECU.

I am truly sorry it is taking so long time Mike. It has proven to be harder than expected.



can you not just find a LH 2.4 ECU that you can move the limiter on or one like in your dads car and send me one of those? or hell get me the # and i will try to find one ..

frpe82
02-18-2007, 09:32 AM
Is higher octane fuel required on LH 2.2 models (with just a fuel chip, and no EZK chip)?
No, high octane fuel is not required on the LH2.2 models, but highly recommended.

There are many drawbacks of using low octane fuel with the chips:

* You need to run more retarded timing, loosing power, efficiency and mpg.

* You canīt run very high boost, and if you wanted to, then you would have to retard the timing even more. Then it would be a useless investment and a waste of engine resources.

Have you tested these chips with the Mitsubishi TD04 Turbo? Since they produce hotter air at the same boost levels than a T3, I would expect that they would require a richer fuel map to compensate.

The chip for the LH2.2 has the same basic software layout as the LH2.4 chips, but the LH2.2 chips are made specifically for the '86-'89 700-series. So it has been covered.



These chips are not something that is only tested or made from the tests on one or a few cars. The chips sold have thousands of hours of driving/testing/dyno-time behind them, many thousands of dollars invested, they are tested and developed on many cars (50 perhaps?), and are a result of what works best on the average car in the series which the chips are made for.

The LH2.2 chips on the other hand doesnīt have such extensive testing behind it, but it is still the same engine so it is not so hard to adapt it from LH2.4 to LH2.2. Since the chips already exists for LH2.4, it only takes testing on a few cars more in order to see that it works with the older engines as well.

frpe82
02-18-2007, 09:33 AM
can you not just find a LH 2.4 ECU that you can move the limiter on or one like in your dads car and send me one of those? or hell get me the # and i will try to find one ..
I will give you an answer to this question within a day or two. Just let me look around a little.

Mathy
02-28-2007, 03:31 PM
Hello frpe82

Could you please include a diagram for the chipped B234F which shows the increase in power and torque relativ to the non-chipped B234F?

I drive a 945 GLE from 1991 and am under the impression that it lacks torque at low rpm.

BTW will the chipped B234F still run on 95 RON gas?

Greetings

Mathy

frpe82
02-28-2007, 05:12 PM
Hello frpe82

Could you please include a diagram for the chipped B234F which shows the increase in power and torque relativ to the non-chipped B234F?

I drive a 945 GLE from 1991 and am under the impression that it lacks torque at low rpm.
No, I donīt have a comparison diagram of that engine.

The throttle response and torque will be heavily increased (in NA terms). The torque curve is also lifted and "flattened". The torque also starts earlier in the powerband.

BTW will the chipped B234F still run on 95 RON gas?

Greetings

Mathy
In the EU: Yes, probably. The gas is of extremely good quality here (both RON and MON are relatively high numbers).

In the US: I donīt know. Try it. The worst that can happen is that it will back off the ignition curve a little not to ping.

And no, you will not save any money by running lower octane gas than the highest you can get in your area. If the car is pinging a little you will loose power because the EZK will back off the ignition curve, giving you less power, and also giving you worse fuel economy because of that.

Mathy
02-28-2007, 06:33 PM
Hello frpe82

What do you mean by "(in NA terms)"?

I live in the Netherlands btw.

Volvo recommends 95 RON for the B234F. Would you recommend 95 RON or 98 RON after chipping? Will the engine be more prone to pinging after chipping?

I don't intend to "burn rubber" all/most of the time. Although sometimes it's nice to rev up the engine. My reasons for chipping the engine would be to get more torque in the lower RPMs and maybe lower fuel consumption. But if I have to use 98 RON to get better fuel consumption, fuel consumption would have drop quite a bit to compensate the higher price of 98 RON fuel. But I guess more torque at lower RPMs means less fuel consumption during inner city rides? (which is when a Volvo usually drinks most)

Greetings

Mathy

frpe82
02-28-2007, 06:43 PM
What do you mean by "(in NA terms)"?
I mean that the power increase will be very good when talking percentual increase.

Volvo recommends 95 RON for the B234F. Would you recommend 95 RON or 98 RON after chipping?
I recommend 98 octane.

Will the engine be more prone to pinging after chipping?
Yes. Because the ignition maps are much more agressive.

You can clearly hear it too. It has more "growl".

I don't intend to "burn rubber" all/most of the time. Although sometimes it's nice to rev up the engine. My reasons for chipping the engine would be to get more torque in the lower RPMs and maybe lower fuel consumption. But if I have to use 98 RON to get better fuel consumption, fuel consumption would have drop quite a bit to compensate the higher price of 98 RON fuel. But I guess more torque at lower RPMs means less fuel consumption during inner city rides? (which is when a Volvo usually drinks most)
The better ignition maps of the chips will give you more power for every drop of fuel, so the fuel consumption should theoretically go down.

It is hard to keep off the right pedal when you have a much funnier car to drive though :)

I know I canīt keep away from using the extra power, so my fuel consumption is much worse than it use to be. You may have the disipline to do so though...

thelostartof
05-02-2007, 03:03 PM
i just picked up a 0 227 400 214 EZK box .. should be LH 2.4

what car is it for?

frpe82
05-02-2007, 04:53 PM
i just picked up a 0 227 400 214 EZK box .. should be LH 2.4

what car is it for?
That specific box is interesting. I didnīt think anyone over there would find one of those...

It is an EZ116K just like the other LH2.4 ignition boxes.

But that one came in these cars... I am not kidding.

Volvo 760 with B230FT (162HP), manfactured from January 1992 and up.

Volvo 850 with B5254S (170HP), manufactured from September 1991 to August 1992.

thelostartof
05-02-2007, 05:04 PM
hm. .. i think it was a non chipable box .. i will have to double check when i get home .. the fact that it was in a 5cyl car is very interesting ... tho i have no idea where i got this ICU from ... hm

ok i lied i remember where i got the ICU

740tankDriver
05-03-2007, 04:38 AM
That specific box is interesting. I didnīt think anyone over there would find one of those...

It is an EZ116K just like the other LH2.4 ignition boxes.

But that one came in these cars... I am not kidding.

Volvo 760 with B230FT (162HP), manfactured from January 1992 and up.

Volvo 850 with B5254S (170HP), manufactured from September 1991 to August 1992.

Is that EZK box chippable? along with 560Jettronic box.

frpe82
05-03-2007, 09:25 AM
Is that EZK box chippable? along with 560Jettronic box.
The 560 is chippable. No problems there.

You have to ask thelostartof if his 214 EZK is chippable. I donīt know that.

Do you have one of those as well or what?

thelostartof
05-03-2007, 10:39 AM
damnit i forgot to check this AM if it was chipable .... so are there any plus sides to having this EZK? anything fancy it can do?

frpe82
05-03-2007, 10:58 AM
damnit i forgot to check this AM if it was chipable .... so are there any plus sides to having this EZK? anything fancy it can do?
I donīt think it is any more fancy than the European 207 and 219 EZKīs.

Well... one thing...

When you do the EZK trick by grounding pins, the ignition maps will probably look a whole lot different than the other EZKīs.

I donīt remeber what it was that made it capable of handling both types of cars, but it is one of the following alternatives:

* The chip (if removable) is different between the 760 and 850. Not very likely since the EZK number and designation would have changed if the chip was different in the 850 compared to the 760 (the EZK number is based on hardware + software + functions).

* When the EZK sees a different pattern than the 60-2 flywheel, it will change the software map and fire more often. (Different flywheel pattern with the return trigger and holes spaced differently and a different amount of holes will probably determine that).

* One or more pins are grounded to make the EZK work in the 850, or vice versa.

thelostartof
05-03-2007, 11:07 AM
so then it works as a nice stock turbo EZk and that is it?

SwedishFish
05-03-2007, 12:32 PM
The 207 ezk I installed yesterday is taking its sweet time to learn Fred's chip. Feels underpowered and bogs past 5k rpm.

frpe82
05-03-2007, 04:50 PM
The 207 ezk I installed yesterday is taking its sweet time to learn Fred's chip. Feels underpowered and bogs past 5k rpm.
Then something is wrong...

Are these your current performance parts?:

hallman mbc
afe cone filter
207 EZK box and Fred's chips
15g turbo

SwedishFish
05-03-2007, 05:50 PM
Then something is wrong...

Are these your current performance parts?:...

plus TME cat-back exhaust, Kingsborne plug wires, NGK BRP7ES plugs
boost is at 10 psi and there is an exhaust manifold gasket leaking

I think it might be that the LH was already chipped and well adjusted and I all of a sudden installed a different EZK box with your chip. It seems to have adjusted some after driving today, to around 90% of where it should be.

740tankDriver
05-03-2007, 08:45 PM
yeah, as a matter of fact that's what under the wheel. I'd check for the, what was it? "daughterboard"?, except Just not sure the Volvo is ready for the upgrade...but if these are superb for the Volvo's gate opening then its a serious deliberation.

Da Fox
05-04-2007, 05:50 AM
I have a quick question. I'm pretty sure I have LH2.2 (1988 745TI), so this means that I don't have the chippable EZK. If I were to get my paws on one of the chippable EZK's from a junkyard, would it just plug and play with my LH? If so, wouldn't this mean that I get to chip it too (the EZK)? I ask because I just "refound" this forum, and last time I was in here there weren't chips for the 7 series. It's nice to see that that was fixed, and I'm planning on getting the setup soon, right after I take care of a little maintainence on my wagon. I'd like to get both chips, and I think it'll be easy enough to get the right EZK. Thanks for your time, and I'll let you know when I'll be ready for one of your chips.

frpe82
05-04-2007, 06:08 AM
I have a quick question. I'm pretty sure I have LH2.2 (1988 745TI), so this means that I don't have the chippable EZK. If I were to get my paws on one of the chippable EZK's from a junkyard, would it just plug and play with my LH? If so, wouldn't this mean that I get to chip it too (the EZK)? I ask because I just "refound" this forum, and last time I was in here there weren't chips for the 7 series. It's nice to see that that was fixed, and I'm planning on getting the setup soon, right after I take care of a little maintainence on my wagon. I'd like to get both chips, and I think it'll be easy enough to get the right EZK. Thanks for your time, and I'll let you know when I'll be ready for one of your chips.
The EZK of the LH2.2 system is not chippable (yet).

I have explained the reason for this before in another thread I think... The LH2.2 system came with two versions of the EZK (EZ117K). An EZK built with Intel circuits and one built with Motorola circuits. None of them are socketed. You canīt just add a chip socket because one of the versions use a software that is not easily read from the CPU/EPROM. You can not see on the outside of the EZK which version it is.

This will be solved in the future though, so stay tuned.

You can still use the fuel chip only, and then set the statical advance with the distributor in the meantime.

lv2xlr8
05-06-2007, 10:35 AM
i'm new hear wa little confused by the list of models at the start of this thread i need a little clarification. i have a 92 740 turbo wagon what system is it lh2.2 or lh2.4? i'm seriously interested in chipping it bu want t make sure i get the correct chip or chips if neccessary.

frpe82
05-06-2007, 04:57 PM
i'm new hear wa little confused by the list of models at the start of this thread i need a little clarification. i have a 92 740 turbo wagon what system is it lh2.2 or lh2.4? i'm seriously interested in chipping it bu want t make sure i get the correct chip or chips if neccessary.
Definitely LH2.4

Look at the ECU number and give it to me. Then I can tell you.

lv2xlr8
05-07-2007, 12:15 AM
ok the ecu is in the pass kick panel and the other one is under the steering column correct?

frpe82
05-07-2007, 05:35 AM
ok the ecu is in the pass kick panel and the other one is under the steering column correct?
Yep.

lv2xlr8
05-07-2007, 08:55 PM
thanks ill check it out. also i was reading i could run 30% larger injectors and the stock ecu with a chip cn run them fine. i have a set of 390cc injectors from a auto eclipse turbo will these work ok? since you guy like to swap in brown tops i have these and wondering if they work ok? also will i need a adj fpr or will i be ok. my goal is setting the mbc to 18psi.

frpe82
05-08-2007, 06:24 AM
thanks ill check it out. also i was reading i could run 30% larger injectors and the stock ecu with a chip cn run them fine. i have a set of 390cc injectors from a auto eclipse turbo will these work ok? since you guy like to swap in brown tops i have these and wondering if they work ok? also will i need a adj fpr or will i be ok. my goal is setting the mbc to 18psi.
The 390cc/min injectors would be a great upgrade. Just see to that the injectors have the same dimensions as your stock ones.

Gene_GaTech
05-10-2007, 04:34 PM
Ok i've got a thing to add and a question

i have a ezk box 169 that is chippable, so maybe put that up on the list.

Also are the ecu box specific. Will a chip for a 563 chip work in another box for example?

frpe82
05-10-2007, 05:54 PM
Ok i've got a thing to add and a question

i have a ezk box 169 that is chippable, so maybe put that up on the list.
It has been added now.

Also are the ecu box specific. Will a chip for a 563 chip work in another box for example?
Yes and no at the same time.

The 563 chip could work in the 560 ECU, but the functions, maps and some other small things will not be the same. It will probably not light up the "check engine" light, but it will not perform optimal like the 560 specific chip would. The same thing goes for the 962 vs. 967 ECU.

A chip within the same series of ECUīs will work, but not optimal. The 56x chips will work in either ECU (560, 563). The 96x chips will also work in either ECU (962, 967). There are other ECU series that this applies to. And like I said, it will work but not work optimal.

Flyingbrick90
05-11-2007, 07:45 AM
are these chips just clip out/clip in... or is there soldering involved??

Jostra Quadrox
05-11-2007, 10:28 AM
Deleted, wrong thread...

frpe82
05-11-2007, 12:57 PM
are these chips just clip out/clip in... or is there soldering involved??
No soldering involved on any of the LH2.4 chips and the LH2.2 591 ECU.

The 541 ECU however has to be modified with the kit that is included, and that requires soldering in a few components and adding a chip socket.

Hayas
05-14-2007, 10:51 AM
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alpinestar
06-14-2007, 05:17 PM
The B204FT will get 70HP and 55NM extra, but... I now have an updated map for the ignition which will give you an additional 10-15HP (resulting in 80-85HP extra and 65-70NM extra) and much more low rpm power.

Fred,

in the group-buy you told me these chips were not available yet?

Best regards,

Bert

frpe82
06-14-2007, 05:53 PM
Fred,

in the group-buy you told me these chips were not available yet?

Best regards,

Bert
They are not available yet just like I said.

I have them but I will not sell them yet because we need to do some other things first.

alpinestar
06-15-2007, 01:42 AM
Ok , I'm still looking for a chippable EZK , so I'm not in a hurry really.
You don't happen to have any?

Bert

frpe82
06-15-2007, 07:38 AM
Ok , I'm still looking for a chippable EZK , so I'm not in a hurry really.
You don't happen to have any?

Bert
Not at the moment, no.

They are kinda' expensive here as well.

silversnail
06-15-2007, 12:46 PM
Do you happen to have the wiring diagrams to wire up an ODB II connector to the LH 2.4 ECU?

frpe82
06-15-2007, 06:54 PM
Do you happen to have the wiring diagrams to wire up an ODB II connector to the LH 2.4 ECU?
Somewhere, yes.

Do I remember where? No.

I will present them when I find them.

It is only a few wires anyway, and they are very easy to hook up.

B Mac66
06-15-2007, 07:47 PM
Fred, will any chippable EZK box work with any ECU?? Or do you have to match them?? If you need my numbers I'll ask the guy selling me the EZK box for them and I'll run them by you.

Thanks for the help as usual,
Ben

frpe82
06-16-2007, 08:02 AM
Fred, will any chippable EZK box work with any ECU?? Or do you have to match them?? If you need my numbers I'll ask the guy selling me the EZK box for them and I'll run them by you.

Thanks for the help as usual,
Ben
Any chippable EZK will work with any ECU.
They will all act the same once they are chipped.

Do not run an EZK that is not chipped in your car though.
That will probably make bad things happen (N/A EZK on a turbo engine etc.).

B Mac66
06-16-2007, 08:17 AM
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B Mac66
06-16-2007, 08:18 AM
Any chippable EZK will work with any ECU.
They will all act the same once they are chipped.

Do not run an EZK that is not chipped in your car though.
That will probably make bad things happen (N/A EZK on a turbo engine etc.).


so only use the chippable EZK box if I've already installed the chip into it??

frpe82
06-16-2007, 08:20 AM
so only use the chippable EZK box if I've already installed the chip into it??
Yes.

Unless the EZK was originally made for a turbo engine (if you are going to use it for a turbo engine that is).

B Mac66
06-16-2007, 08:43 AM
Yes.

Unless the EZK was originally made for a turbo engine (if you are going to use it for a turbo engine that is).



hmm...not sure, but the EZK is being shipped from Florida to Connecticut, so I should see it next week. When it gets here, I'll send you the numbers just for "hahas", but I'll be using the icu chip anyway. Once the chip is in and I crank up the boost will there be enough torque to spin in 1st without doing a brakestand?? That'd be one of the coolest thing I'll ever see.

frpe82
06-16-2007, 09:53 AM
hmm...not sure, but the EZK is being shipped from Florida to Connecticut, so I should see it next week. When it gets here, I'll send you the numbers just for "hahas", but I'll be using the icu chip anyway. Once the chip is in and I crank up the boost will there be enough torque to spin in 1st without doing a brakestand?? That'd be one of the coolest thing I'll ever see.
Hehe... yes, the tires will definitely spin in 1st without a brakestand. If you have a manual, then it would probably spin in 2nd too.

I can get my car to spin in 1st and 2nd and chirp on 3rd (with an automatic). But I am clearly above 300HP now.

Ruben
07-22-2007, 06:42 PM
Hi fred, you've got the same question in your mailbox but I thought I'd ask it again over here because it might be interesting to others.
You know about my e85 plans and my hp goals. They are stille the same. But I came across a B204E. You know I want a +T because the higher CR combined with e85 could work out very nice. The B204 is so cheap I can't let it go.
Well me question is, what ezk/ecu could I use?
I've got the B204GT stuff ecu and ezk but this ezk is not chippable at the moment.
Would it be possible to use some B234 or B230FT/FK computers, I've seen some people run those computers on a 2liter turbocharged engine before.
I'm curious what's possible!

frpe82
07-22-2007, 06:45 PM
Hi fred, you've got the same question in your mailbox but I thought I'd ask it again over here because it might be interesting to others.
You know about my e85 plans and my hp goals. They are stille the same. But I came across a B204E. You know I want a +T because the higher CR combined with e85 could work out very nice. The B204 is so cheap I can't let it go.
Well me question is, what ezk/ecu could I use?
I've got the B204GT stuff ecu and ezk but this ezk is not chippable at the moment.
Would it be possible to use some B234 or B230FT/FK computers, I've seen some people run those computers on a 2liter turbocharged engine before.
I'm curious what's possible!
I have a lot of unread mail in my inbox that I am answering one by one until I have answered them all. I have to answer them in the same turn as they have dropeed down in my inbox to be fair to everyone.

I will post the same answer here as I will give you in the mail you sent.

Just give me a day or two. :)

Ruben
07-22-2007, 06:46 PM
ok no problem. Think I'lln give you a call this week after having heard from you to discuss some future plans anyway....

frpe82
07-22-2007, 06:51 PM
ok no problem. Think I'lln give you a call this week after having heard from you to discuss some future plans anyway....
Sounds very good.

frpe82
09-05-2007, 01:37 PM
Just wanted to say that I made some minor updates to the first post.

Especially regarding the use of MBC's and the use of MBC's on the B204FT/GT.

Renny_D
09-06-2007, 07:05 PM
Any info on the new higher rev limit chip? I know I'm interested and I imagine that there are a few others. Please let me know.

Thanks
Renny

frpe82
09-07-2007, 11:30 AM
Any info on the new higher rev limit chip? I know I'm interested and I imagine that there are a few others. Please let me know.

Thanks
Renny
No problemo!

You will know about it very soon.

plantationwalrus
09-07-2007, 11:10 PM
If premium gas isn't always affordable is it possible to wire a toggle switch to the power pin on the chip to make it a flip-chip?

frpe82
09-08-2007, 03:51 AM
If premium gas isn't always affordable is it possible to wire a toggle switch to the power pin on the chip to make it a flip-chip?
No, if you turn the chip off the car will not work. The chip is what contains the software for the car.

You can do the "EZK trick" in case you canīt get good gas at the location where you are temporarily residing: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=75838

MikeHardy
09-08-2007, 08:39 AM
If premium gas isn't always affordable is it possible to wire a toggle switch to the power pin on the chip to make it a flip-chip?

as fred said, NO.

these chips replace the standard chips that are in you ecu/icu

plantationwalrus
09-09-2007, 07:17 PM
wicked, thanks for the info... second job here I come!

tiger1_16
10-03-2007, 08:32 AM
Q: I have something they call a "fuel cut". Will the chips remove it?

A: Yes.


Does this mean that if I installed your chip (I have an 88' 740 Turbo) i wouldn't need to bother messing around with the overboost switch?

I've just recently finshed a Stage 0 and sum small mods (including chucking on a 90+ mani with a 13c turbo) to the car, I picked up a MBC and cranked the boost up to 10psi and am currently experiencing fuel cut out at about 11psi.

frpe82
10-03-2007, 02:42 PM
Does this mean that if I installed your chip (I have an 88' 740 Turbo) i wouldn't need to bother messing around with the overboost switch?

I've just recently finshed a Stage 0 and sum small mods (including chucking on a 90+ mani with a 13c turbo) to the car, I picked up a MBC and cranked the boost up to 10psi and am currently experiencing fuel cut out at about 11psi.
The overboost switch is a separate component in the sytem that cuts power to the fuel pump if you overboost. It has nothing to do with the ECU's at all. So you still need to adjust or remove the overboost switch.

tiger1_16
10-03-2007, 08:33 PM
kk thnx

David Koiter
10-28-2007, 04:40 PM
Hello FRPE82,

I would like to use your chips in a 960 B204FT

How can i tell if i have to use an MBC or if the ECU will control the boost? Do you need partnumbers of the ECU/EZK/TCU installed in my car? The car was manufactured end 1991 in sweden.

Thanks a lot!

frpe82
10-28-2007, 06:33 PM
Hello FRPE82,

I would like to use your chips in a 960 B204FT

How can i tell if i have to use an MBC or if the ECU will control the boost? Do you need partnumbers of the ECU/EZK/TCU installed in my car? The car was manufactured end 1991 in sweden.

Thanks a lot!
Then you need an MBC. Only the late 1994 cars and some B230GT engines will be able to raise the boost in the software (as I have learned recently and after a lot of investigating/opening TCU's).

David Koiter
10-29-2007, 05:40 AM
Then you need an MBC. Only the late 1994 cars and some B230GT engines will be able to raise the boost in the software (as I have learned recently and after a lot of investigating/opening TCU's).

Oké, and I take it the TCU is not interchangable? The MBC should be plumbed in the hose going to the TCU? (making the TCU think the MAP pressure is lower?)

Any idea when a new "group buy" will be shiped?

Thanks for the info!!

David

frpe82
10-29-2007, 02:18 PM
Oké, and I take it the TCU is not interchangable? The MBC should be plumbed in the hose going to the TCU? (making the TCU think the MAP pressure is lower?)
Yes.

Any idea when a new "group buy" will be shiped?
The new group buy? You mean the current one (that was closed on the 26th)?

Or do you mean the new group-buy (that closes on December 14th)?

David Koiter
10-29-2007, 04:46 PM
Hi,

Sorry misread the part of the group buy... I understand that I need to let you know what i want before the 14th of december.

Thanks!

frpe82
10-30-2007, 03:18 PM
Hi,

Sorry misread the part of the group buy... I understand that I need to let you know what i want before the 14th of december.

Thanks!
Yeah, or you can join in on the current one that was recently closed if you can supply me with the ECU number and pay me before Friday.

But yes, if you want to join in on the group-buy that closes in December you need to send me a PM before it closes.

The goods will probably be sent one week after the group-buy closes. The shipping within the EU is virtually overnight to some destinations. Otherwise it is usually 3 days.

frpe82
11-02-2007, 07:32 PM
I donīt know if you guys have noticed, but I have updated the thread a little. Additions are being made on a regular basis.

stoni
11-10-2007, 08:09 AM
Hi Fred,

is it possible, that there is an error in your description regarding the knock enrichment Pin28 ECU and Pin4 ICU?

Your description says Pin4-ICU 12-knock, but your ecu pinout list (the gif) tells exactly the opposite - drops during knock enrichment.

So, what is right :)

frpe82
11-10-2007, 09:17 AM
Hi Fred,

is it possible, that there is an error in your description regarding the knock enrichment Pin28 ECU and Pin4 ICU?

Your description says Pin4-ICU 12-knock, but your ecu pinout list (the gif) tells exactly the opposite - drops during knock enrichment.

So, what is right :)
I could be wrong, yes. But I donīt think I am.

I think that the gif is wrong (or it is actually misinterpreted).

If you connect a light, LED or a multimeter to the wire for the knock signal, you will probably see that the voltage goes up when it knocks.

It would be nice if someone would confirm this.

ShadowofBob
12-20-2007, 03:25 PM
Any updates on the high RPM 8v chip?

frpe82
12-20-2007, 07:56 PM
Any updates on the high RPM 8v chip?
I had some updates to it, but it turned out only to work if you custom make the chip for a particular ECU.

I sent a package with chips to thelostartof, but it was unfortunately unsuccessful.

So we are currently trying to resolve the situation now.

I will tell you the minute it becomes available.

yeahidriveacarolderthanme
12-24-2007, 12:48 PM
I have an 89 760 Turbo with stock everything at stage 0. What am i looking to benefit from the chips and what price are we talking about?

frpe82
12-24-2007, 06:55 PM
I have an 89 760 Turbo with stock everything at stage 0. What am i looking to benefit from the chips and what price are we talking about?
If you are at stage 0, the only thing you need to do is to fill up with the highest octane fuel you have in your area, install the chips and then raise the boost to 14psi.

Do you have LH2.2 or LH2.4?

You probably have to get a chippable EZK.

The price in the group-buy is $370.

All of this is already written in this thread and the group-buy thread.

cuaz64
12-27-2007, 08:40 PM
Why some EZK are not chippable?

j.hainsworth
12-28-2007, 01:02 AM
oopsie...

j.hainsworth
12-28-2007, 01:27 AM
Thanks frpe82 for all that info...that must've been a heck-of-a project. I have a question for you, if you would; might you be able to post the pinout values for the 541/591 ECUs...I've been working on a K-Jet to LH2.2 swap and I've come upon a few problems - I'd just like to verify my wiring. Thanks so much.

frpe82
12-28-2007, 09:24 AM
Thanks frpe82 for all that info...that must've been a heck-of-a project. I have a question for you, if you would; might you be able to post the pinout values for the 541/591 ECUs...I've been working on a K-Jet to LH2.2 swap and I've come upon a few problems - I'd just like to verify my wiring. Thanks so much.
I'll post it as soon as I get home from Holland.

FlyingDog
12-30-2007, 12:13 AM
This thread is an awesome source of info. I wish more people were this good at sharing and helping others.

I'm looking for an inexpensive programmable/chippable substitute for a 0 280 002 501/502/503. Other than the 591, which LH 2.2s are plug and play? Is a Volvo LH 2.2 capable of driving 8 injectors or will something get fried?

RobSmith
02-18-2008, 08:40 PM
Hej Fred,

I have a question I hoped you could answer:

I have a 0 280 000 984 ECU in my 1998 940. I hope to use one of your chips in this.
This is listed as 0 280 000 984 - immobiliser.
I cannot see an immobiliser pinout on the pin-out list.
What input or output does it have with the cars security devices?
I wish to run this in my 1969 van which will run LH2.4 but will not be using the Volvo security systems.

Kind Regards

Rob

frpe82
02-19-2008, 01:17 PM
There are two Immobilizer systems for the Volvo cars.

I am almost 100% confident you have version 2 of the Immobilizer function which means that the Immobilizer is inside the ECU and that it communicates with the key in your ignition lock.

Just swap it all over, and if you should find something connected to the ECU/EZK/electronics harness looking like it could be a part of the Immobilizer function (Immobilizer version 1), then include that in your setup on the van as well.

RobSmith
02-19-2008, 06:03 PM
Thanks Fred,
I will use the immobiliser system too for the van.
I will take all the wiring and put it in the van.
What should I do with the EZK. That is a 0 227 400 148. I believe this is not chippable.
Does a chippable 207 or 219 EZK work with the immobiliser system I have?

This is the key and jobby for the car if it makes any difference in identifying the system I have.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010130.jpg

Regards

Rob

RobSmith
02-19-2008, 07:33 PM
Hi Fred,
I found this information I found elsewhere on the forum about the advance / retard options.

By grounding pin 18 you will get -3° (retard).
* By grounding pin 19 you will get -6° (retard).
* By grounding pin 18 and 19 you will get +3° (advance).

I have a spare flywheel that does not have the LH2.4 trigger drillings.
I can set this up on my milling machine and produce the drillings.
However, I could create the drillings on the flywheel 3 degrees (or any number) advanced.
This would give me -3 / 0 / +3 / +6 or 0 /+3 /+6 /+9

What do you think? A good idea?
I will be machining my flywheel anyway to lighten it.

Rob

klr142
02-20-2008, 01:28 PM
Fred, this is the first time I've visited this thread in a long time... The information you have in it is simply AMAZING! You're the MAN!

volvorsport
02-20-2008, 02:42 PM
has anybody tried the -6 degrees retard and measured the loss in vacuum ?

frpe82
02-21-2008, 05:20 PM
Thanks Fred,
I will use the immobiliser system too for the van.
I will take all the wiring and put it in the van.
What should I do with the EZK. That is a 0 227 400 148. I believe this is not chippable.
Does a chippable 207 or 219 EZK work with the immobiliser system I have?

This is the key and jobby for the car if it makes any difference in identifying the system I have.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010130.jpg

Regards

Rob
Yes, the 207 or 219 works with the Immobilizer since only the ECU is affected by it. But once you install the ECU and EZK in your van, I guess you will make your own harness for it anyway so the Immobilizer may not be activated.

And that remote is probably for an Immobilizer equipped car. They usually look like that.

But the key is what gives it away. It has Immobilizer ver. 2.

frpe82
02-21-2008, 05:23 PM
Hi Fred,
I found this information I found elsewhere on the forum about the advance / retard options.

By grounding pin 18 you will get -3° (retard).
* By grounding pin 19 you will get -6° (retard).
* By grounding pin 18 and 19 you will get +3° (advance).

I have a spare flywheel that does not have the LH2.4 trigger drillings.
I can set this up on my milling machine and produce the drillings.
However, I could create the drillings on the flywheel 3 degrees (or any number) advanced.
This would give me -3 / 0 / +3 / +6 or 0 /+3 /+6 /+9

What do you think? A good idea?
I will be machining my flywheel anyway to lighten it.

Rob
Since you live in the UK and can run 98/99 octane, a +3 degree setup would work very well with the chips if you can drill the flywheel.

frpe82
02-21-2008, 05:24 PM
Fred, this is the first time I've visited this thread in a long time... The information you have in it is simply AMAZING! You're the MAN!
Thanks a lot :)

RobSmith
02-21-2008, 07:39 PM
Thanks Fred,

Can you tell me what I would need to do to run my 984 ECU without any immobiliser connected. I do not know if it needs an external signal to function or do I just set one of the pins to 12V or 0V.

I also have your wiring diagram:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B230FT/LH2_4.jpg
Do you have the key to this that tells you what all the parts are?

I have found this one:
http://www.autoelectric.ru/auto/volvo/940/1993/940-93.htm

But I am not sure if the numbering is the same.

Kind Regards

Rob

frpe82
02-22-2008, 03:20 PM
Thanks Fred,

Can you tell me what I would need to do to run my 984 ECU without any immobiliser connected. I do not know if it needs an external signal to function or do I just set one of the pins to 12V or 0V.

I also have your wiring diagram:

http://hem.bredband.net/fredrik-persson/Turbobricks/Schematics/B230FT/LH2_4.jpg
Do you have the key to this that tells you what all the parts are?

I have found this one:
http://www.autoelectric.ru/auto/volvo/940/1993/940-93.htm

But I am not sure if the numbering is the same.

Kind Regards

Rob
No, those are not the same.

I will add the explanation to all the components in my FAQ soon so please hold on until then and it will be done right.

And if it is the Immobilizer ver. 2 then it will not have a separate box (the Immobilizer should be integrated in the ECU).

RobSmith
03-13-2008, 05:06 PM
976 ??
Is this a newly discovered one?
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/976ecu.jpg

It was in the car along with with a chippable 219 EZK.

I don't think it had benn changed as the security screw and strap were still holding it in place.

Rob

frpe82
03-14-2008, 03:04 AM
Like I said in a PM I recently sent to you:

The numbers to the right and to the left are conflicting numbers.

The 976 is not listed at Bosch as an ECU at all.

My theory is that it is a 977 with one less function or without Immobilizer (but I don't think the 977 got Immobilizer in the first place).

Could you tell me a little bit more about the car? All the info you can give me must be 100% correct, so if you don't absolutely know that the engine is a B230FK or B230FT or even a B230GT, then say so. ECC or ACC? E-fan? You name it...

And could you also do another thing for me? Open it up and take a picture of the ECU from the inside. I would also want a closeup picture of the chip and chip number (also write it in the PM in case I can't make out what it says). And also a closeup of the right side of the ECU (connector pointing downwards). There are some numbers there which I am also interested in.

RobSmith
03-14-2008, 08:35 AM
Hi Fred,

Pictures for you:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010189.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010188.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010187.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010186.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010185.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010184.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010183.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010182.jpg
Rob

frpe82
03-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Thank you so much for the pictures. Really nice of you.

frpe82
03-14-2008, 02:49 PM
It's in my list by the way, so there is no problem with chipping that ECU.

RobSmith
03-14-2008, 04:04 PM
Fred,
The keys the car had I am fairly sure were the same type as mine:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/Robnruth/P1010130.jpg

Rob

frpe82
03-14-2008, 04:08 PM
Yeah, but probably nothing to worry about.

AlizeE
03-18-2008, 08:23 AM
Hi,
How much torque and HP can I get from a stock B204FT ? With stock exhaust and cat.
Thx !

frpe82
03-18-2008, 11:19 AM
Hi,
How much torque and HP can I get from a stock B204FT ? With stock exhaust and cat.
Thx !
With a set of chips you mean?

Anything from 45-70HP depending on how the exhaust system is feeling.

AlizeE
03-18-2008, 01:23 PM
Thanks.
So exhaust upgrade will help a lot...

frpe82
03-18-2008, 02:30 PM
Thanks.
So exhaust upgrade will help a lot...
Yes, the stock system is not really very high-flowing after several 100.000kms.

AlizeE
03-19-2008, 05:23 AM
Mhh.
And if I well understand, to run E85 on my B204FT stock engine (and look for about 250whp and more torque), all I need is :
- your set of chips ;
- bigger injectors ;
And that's all ? LH2.4 will do the rest ?
Considering I never have to start the engine below 5~8 °C.
Thanks a lot for your tips.

frpe82
03-19-2008, 12:14 PM
Mhh.
And if I well understand, to run E85 on my B204FT stock engine (and look for about 250whp and more torque), all I need is :
- your set of chips ;
- bigger injectors ;
And that's all ? LH2.4 will do the rest ?
Considering I never have to start the engine below 5~8 °C.
Thanks a lot for your tips.
Yes, that is correct.

And on that engine I have a very good recommendation.

Listen to what I have to say (not just you AlizeE, but all of you who owns a car with a B204FT/GT):

The B204FT and B204GT can produce a lot of power due to the good efficiency, but mainly due to the type of engine management system it has. LH2.4 and EZK in all its glory, but that won't cut it when trying to get 250HP+ out of injectors that small.

The TCU and EGT sensor will make it possible. It will run quite lean at high boost, but it will see the exhaust gas temperature and adjust accordingly. After a while it will lower the boost and richen up a little bit if it is driven hard.

And the important thing, that is when running E85:

To run E85 you would normally use 42% bigger injectors. But in this case you should run 50-60% bigger injectors. The EGT sensor will then allow you to use higher boost and also keeping the boost longer (when driving it hard). Probably not lowering the boost at all, and not richening the mixture up. That would make the car more powerful and have a more consistent performance.

On a B230FT, the oversize in injectors would not really do the same thing. In that case it would just help you more when it comes to cold starts and acceleration enrichment (and of course the ability to run higher boost because of the access to more fuel).

SteveMD
03-19-2008, 03:06 PM
Fred, could one add the b204FT EZK, ECU, TCU, EGT and your chips to a b234F +T and reap the same benefits?

frpe82
03-19-2008, 08:09 PM
Fred, could one add the b204FT EZK, ECU, TCU, EGT and your chips to a b234F +T and reap the same benefits?
Yes, you can do that.

But you know... I already have chips for the B234F+T that are much better suited for a 2.3L engine and 2.3L 16v head (the engines are not the same and the burn rate and ignition advance would be somewhat different, even though it would probably work pretty good).

Take a look at that section of my FAQ post.

volvorsport
03-22-2008, 04:37 PM
what about these ecus fred , am i right they use a 60-2 flywheel sensor ? is it the same for the NA B230E ?

oh , heres teh link
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLVO-740-ENGINE-IGNITION-ECU-BOSCH-0261201007_W0QQitemZ150228498833QQihZ005QQcategory Z10432QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

frpe82
03-22-2008, 05:28 PM
what about these ecus fred , am i right they use a 60-2 flywheel sensor ? is it the same for the NA B230E ?

oh , heres teh link
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLVO-740-ENGINE-IGNITION-ECU-BOSCH-0261201007_W0QQitemZ150228498833QQihZ005QQcategory Z10432QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I have no idea about the flywheel actually...

When did they start using 60-2 anyway?

Since that is for a carbed version with a different head and different cam, I doubt that it can be used for the B230E which was too different from the B230K.

The B230E had an EZ118K ending in 009 instead of 007 like the B230K had.

JE Jr
03-23-2008, 08:43 AM
B230E and B230K uses Hall sensor in the distributor!

fsl
03-24-2008, 09:17 AM
How do you raise the boost with the stock solenoid still there? I removed mine... I think it was broken, it didn't work... Also Fred, do you have the part# for the sensor in radiator?

frpe82
03-24-2008, 12:17 PM
How do you raise the boost with the stock solenoid still there? I removed mine... I think it was broken, it didn't work... Also Fred, do you have the part# for the sensor in radiator?
To raise the boost with the stock solenoid still there you need to trick the TCU. Put an MBC on the line to the TCU. If you need to increase the boost even further, then put an MBC on the line from the solenoid to the turbo as well.

I do not have the number for that sensor available right now unfortunately.

stoni
03-25-2008, 03:23 PM
Fred, which injector fits better (LH2.4, 012AMM, E85, your Chips):

http://www.racetronix.com/17113841FM.html
2Ohm, Peak-hold ECM driver modifications required, the original FT inj. are also 2Ohm, so would this fit? Cone Spray Angle - 20.3 degrees - single spray cone. Approximate cone angle for 90% of spray volume.

or

http://www.racetronix.com/3172FM.html
12Ohm, this high-impedance injector will work with all factory ECM/PCM injector drivers (with brigged resistors), Spray Pattern: Pencil

Is there any significant difference (especially the Spray pattern) between those two injector types, pros and cons ....?

RobSmith
03-25-2008, 10:02 PM
Hi Fred,
Any news on the 976 ecu and also on the immobiliser / non immobiliser versions?
Rob

frpe82
03-26-2008, 04:49 AM
Fred, which injector fits better (LH2.4, 012AMM, E85, your Chips):

http://www.racetronix.com/17113841FM.html
2Ohm, Peak-hold ECM driver modifications required, the original FT inj. are also 2Ohm, so would this fit? Cone Spray Angle - 20.3 degrees - single spray cone. Approximate cone angle for 90% of spray volume.

or

http://www.racetronix.com/3172FM.html
12Ohm, this high-impedance injector will work with all factory ECM/PCM injector drivers (with brigged resistors), Spray Pattern: Pencil

Is there any significant difference (especially the Spray pattern) between those two injector types, pros and cons ....?
The Siemens DEKA injectors (the last link) are better in every single way. At least for LH2.4.

Better spray pattern and atomisation. They also react pretty good and have very good low flow capabilities.

I run these at the moment: http://www.racetronix.com/L107FM.html

And I ran these before: http://www.racetronix.com/3145FM.html

And will swap those back in again, since I used the ones above them when I drove in places where it was hard to get E85 and I had to mix with petrol.

I have tried greentops, CFI's (two different sizes), Bosch motorsport injectors, Delphi and now the Siemens. The Siemens injectors are definitely the best ones I have tried, both sizes. And I don't think the smaller Siemens injectors are any different.

frpe82
03-26-2008, 04:49 AM
Hi Fred,
Any news on the 976 ecu and also on the immobiliser / non immobiliser versions?
Rob
Regarding what you mean?

We can chip the 976 as well if that is what you mean.

AlizeE
03-26-2008, 05:13 AM
Thanks a lot for the past replies ! Anotehr questions :
- Is your B204FT still smooth to drive with your set of chips and E85 ? I'll get my new 960 turbo in a few days, I don't want it to much brutal, but just more powerful in medium and high revs.
- So these injectors ( http://www.racetronix.com/L107FM.html ) are good for my project (B204FT, chipped, 100% e85 and stock exhaust - will add race cat later), and are they 'plug in' like stock ones ?
Your knowledge is great, thanks again, and sorry for my bad english. :)

RobSmith
03-26-2008, 09:20 AM
No, those are not the same.

I will add the explanation to all the components in my FAQ soon so please hold on until then and it will be done right.

And if it is the Immobilizer ver. 2 then it will not have a separate box (the Immobilizer should be integrated in the ECU).

Hi Fred,
It was the explanation to the components and the immobiliser details I was wondering about.
I am not in a huge hurry and no-one is paying you for your good work so it is just a question from someone who knows much less than you.
Rob

frpe82
03-26-2008, 09:50 AM
Thanks a lot for the past replies ! Anotehr questions :
- Is your B204FT still smooth to drive with your set of chips and E85 ? I'll get my new 960 turbo in a few days, I don't want it to much brutal, but just more powerful in medium and high revs.
- So these injectors ( http://www.racetronix.com/L107FM.html ) are good for my project (B204FT, chipped, 100% e85 and stock exhaust - will add race cat later), and are they 'plug in' like stock ones ?
Your knowledge is great, thanks again, and sorry for my bad english. :)
These will work better since you will use the AMM you have now: http://www.racetronix.com/3172FM.html

And the smoothness is much better on the chips. And most definitely better when E85 is used with that. The chips and E85 is what makes the engine smooth. It is very rough in comparison when it is stock.

And with the chips it will be A LOT more powerful. Then add the injectors and E85 and you will have yourself a ****load of power.

When you are going to do some work on your exhaust, replace it with a sport system. The stock system is very restrictive, even for a stock car with 190HP.

AlizeE
03-26-2008, 01:20 PM
Thanks for the link. I'll consider it when I'll have the car in my garage. It's great if the engine run smoother, I want to drive it daily in low revs without notice it has been tuned...

I think I have to use the chips with benzine (regular SP98) a few days (400 km ?), like you explain in this FAQ before empty the tank, replace the injectors and refuel with pure E85 before start up ?
With stock exhaust, can I expect 35 m.kg and ~ 250 whp ? Only the cat will be replaced, authorities aren't very friendly with noisy exhausts here in France...

'will order a set of your chips in a couple of weeks. :)

frpe82
03-26-2008, 06:31 PM
Thanks for the link. I'll consider it when I'll have the car in my garage. It's great if the engine run smoother, I want to drive it daily in low revs without notice it has been tuned...
You know, it is the tune that makes it work like it should and perform at its maximum. Stock ignition maps are too retarded.

I think I have to use the chips with benzine (regular SP98) a few days (400 km ?), like you explain in this FAQ before empty the tank, replace the injectors and refuel with pure E85 before start up ?
With stock exhaust, can I expect 35 m.kg and ~ 250 whp ? Only the cat will be replaced, authorities aren't very friendly with noisy exhausts here in France...

'will order a set of your chips in a couple of weeks. :)
Get a 2.5" performance exhaust. Your engine will thank you for it. It will not be loud and noone will say anything about it, not even in France.

And I can't promise you any performance numbers with the stock exhaust. It will be a lot more, but how much I do not know.

JW240
03-26-2008, 06:44 PM
just a few days i installed a JT 3" system on a 940. 2 straight through silencers and a 3" racecat. sounds good, not loud when idling and normal driving, didn't test it with more throttle. and i had a testdrive in a 940 with a 2,5" Simons system and that car was really quiet as well.

AlizeE
03-27-2008, 12:33 PM
Simons exhausts likes good... will see that later.
Last question : you said that some B204FT engines need a MBC, how do I know if my need one ? I don't like them, because it's a visible modification... :(

frpe82
03-27-2008, 12:48 PM
Simons exhausts likes good... will see that later.
Last question : you said that some B204FT engines need a MBC, how do I know if my need one ? I don't like them, because it's a visible modification... :(
What number does your ECU have? And what year is your car from?

AlizeE
03-27-2008, 05:33 PM
I'll give you number when I'll get the car, in 2 weeks. Car is from the beginning of 1992... one of the last 960 with B204FT !

frpe82
03-28-2008, 02:05 PM
I'll give you number when I'll get the car, in 2 weeks. Car is from the beginning of 1992... one of the last 960 with B204FT !
If you have a 950 ECU, then "maybe" you don't need an MBC.

When you order a set of chips I will include the MBC anyway in case you need it.

Typhoon
03-29-2008, 04:16 AM
Get a 2.5" performance exhaust. Your engine will thank you for it. It will not be loud and noone will say anything about it, not even in France.

And I can't promise you any performance numbers with the stock exhaust. It will be a lot more, but how much I do not know.

I definitely agree wth this. I have a 2.5 catback system, with only a single front muffler. It's no louder than any factory performance car, and barely noticeable even standing next to teh car when running.
But it feels worth about 1 second 0-100 km/h, and teh engine is much more responsive, with more midrange torque available.
Best money spent on one of these cars, apart from chips!:)

Regards, Andrew.

Gauvain
04-01-2008, 01:03 PM
frpe82, may I send you a PM for a chip + engine build question? I wanted to ask first so that i wasn't bombarding your inbox..which Im sure is busy as can be.

Thank you,

Robert

frpe82
04-01-2008, 03:43 PM
frpe82, may I send you a PM for a chip + engine build question? I wanted to ask first so that i wasn't bombarding your inbox..which Im sure is busy as can be.

Thank you,

Robert
No problemo!

I only have three unread PM's so far today so that is alright.

Gauvain
04-01-2008, 03:51 PM
Ill send soon thank you!

Robert

AlizeE
04-07-2008, 07:34 AM
Another stupid question... :
What can I expect with the chips to a full stock B204FT, without raising boost ? What injectors sould I use then to run E85 ?
I'll get the car in 3 days, will know more about what I'll do then...

frpe82
04-07-2008, 02:55 PM
Another stupid question... :
What can I expect with the chips to a full stock B204FT, without raising boost ? What injectors sould I use then to run E85 ?
I'll get the car in 3 days, will know more about what I'll do then...
You would probably get 10-15HP extra if everything is alright, and a smoother car.

Use around 50% bigger injectors.

Jeh
04-08-2008, 12:39 AM
Hi Fred

Hopefully not a stupid question. Ive looked thru the FAQ but I am not seeing this answered.

I have a 86 240+t with an LH 2.2 from 740 (88) 90 plus man-13c turbo 2-1/4 exh.
Currently I am running 12 deg adv cam 0 deg and 7 psi boost on 91oct (prem) fuel (I live at 5500 - 7500 ft) so thats the best.

What is recommended base timing for lh2.2 plus chip with EZK added? and with Chrysler Ign?

I am working on the EZK upgrade and it should e in before the chip shows anyway.

Thanks

Joe

frpe82
04-08-2008, 05:27 PM
Hi Fred

Hopefully not a stupid question. Ive looked thru the FAQ but I am not seeing this answered.

I have a 86 240+t with an LH 2.2 from 740 (88) 90 plus man-13c turbo 2-1/4 exh.
Currently I am running 12 deg adv cam 0 deg and 7 psi boost on 91oct (prem) fuel (I live at 5500 - 7500 ft) so thats the best.

What is recommended base timing for lh2.2 plus chip with EZK added? and with Chrysler Ign?

I am working on the EZK upgrade and it should e in before the chip shows anyway.

Thanks

Joe
I got a little bit confused about your question there actually...

Are you / will you be using the EZK or Chrysler ignition? This is a turbo car, right? Then you should use the EZK.

The amount of static timing you can use is dependant on the fuel you are using. If the engine has stock compression ratio and similar to stock backpressure you can just advance it until it pings lightly and then back off two degrees.

If you had an octane rating that was high enough, you could advance it until it lost power again, but now you will be limited to advancing until it pings.

Anything over 18-20 degrees timing is not useable if you were running E85 to give you an example. Then it will lose power again (or if your boost is high, blow the headgasket or bend a rod from excessive cylinder pressure at the wrong time). It has to do with burn rate as well. And you want the peak cylinder pressure at the right time in the combustion event.

Jeh
04-08-2008, 10:00 PM
[quote=frpe82;1725511]
The amount of static timing you can use is dependant on the fuel you are using. If the engine has stock compression ratio and similar to stock backpressure you can just advance it until it pings lightly and then back off two degrees.

If you had an octane rating that was high enough, you could advance it until it lost power again, but now you will be limited to advancing until it pings.

quote]

Thats about what I figured. I will be using EZK I am in the middle of aquiring all the parts.


Thanks

Joe

SteveMD
05-06-2008, 09:30 AM
I wonder if you could do the EZK grounding mod on a chipped EZK to retard the timing for regular gas?
Maybe this was discussed in the EZK mod thread so I better go check that.

RealEstate
06-23-2008, 12:13 PM
I was actually referring to the price of the turbo chips in my earlier post, not thinking that it was actually the NA chips you were asking about... I will still see what I can do about the price, and it will probably be similar I hope.

It is hard to get NA chips for all ECUīs though. Some ECUīs are very bad in terms of both hardware and software, and some canīt be chipped at all. You may need some specific ECU numbers to get a NA car chipped at all. But if you are determined to chip it, finding another NA ECU that is chippable will not be very hard or expensive.

So yes, put up a feeler for this and I will see what I can do at my end.
Fred,
Can you give an update on the chipping of NA cars?

I have a 1991 945 GLE B230FB 8-valve no turbo, 531 head.
The ECU is 0 280 000 595
Ignition is 0 227 400 175 (353 1648)

Is it chippable?

What would be the advantages - I'm mainly interested in better fuel economy?

I see there is a NA group buy in the offing.

Many thanks for your help.

Ben
UK

frpe82
06-23-2008, 04:16 PM
Fred,
Can you give an update on the chipping of NA cars?

I have a 1991 945 GLE B230FB 8-valve no turbo, 531 head.
The ECU is 0 280 000 595
Ignition is 0 227 400 175 (353 1648)

Is it chippable?

What would be the advantages - I'm mainly interested in better fuel economy?

I see there is a NA group buy in the offing.

Many thanks for your help.

Ben
UK
The NA chips will probably soon be available. People are starting to show interest in these so just hold on and it will come.

The chips will be made for the 951 ECU first hand, and any EZK box you want to use that is chippable.

Advantages would be the same as ny other chipped car when it is done right by a Swedish tuner. The correct AFR's at the correct time. As much ignition timing as possible to get maximum amount of power and efficiency.

boostin'xr4
06-23-2008, 04:59 PM
Looking forward to your NA chips. :]

RealEstate
06-23-2008, 06:11 PM
The NA chips will probably soon be available. People are starting to show interest in these so just hold on and it will come.

The chips will be made for the 951 ECU first hand, and any EZK box you want to use that is chippable.

Advantages would be the same as ny other chipped car when it is done right by a Swedish tuner. The correct AFR's at the correct time. As much ignition timing as possible to get maximum amount of power and efficiency.

Fredrik,
Many thanks for the update.
Will you be able to help us with the following Q asked earlier in the thread
"Q: Which NA ECU's and EZK's can I match, and can I get better performance with a certain combination?"


Look forward to hearing when the NA chips are ready!
Thanks for a great thread.

RealEstate
06-24-2008, 04:38 PM
Fredrik,
Ref the 0 280 000 595 ECU on my UK 230FB, my Volvo dealer says the current ECU for my car is volvo 5003835. According to your information earlier in this thread, this is Bosch 0 280 000 935, (which therefore appears to supersede the 595). So this checks out with your data for the FB exc that my car doesn't have A/C.

Please confirm that all components other than ECU & EZK (0 227 400 175) can be stock, but I must use higher octane petrol or it will pink?

One other Q for my interest: Given the current high fuel prices, is there any scope to optimise the chips more for fuel economy than for more power?

Thanks,

Ben

frpe82
06-24-2008, 04:52 PM
Fredrik,
Many thanks for the update.
Will you be able to help us with the following Q asked earlier in the thread
"Q: Which NA ECU's and EZK's can I match, and can I get better performance with a certain combination?"
That part of the question will be filled in when the chips are ready.

The EZK which will give you better power (in stock form) will be dependant on the compression ratio, volumetric efficiency at different rpm's (governered by the cam choice, intake, exhaust, porting etc.), and dynamic compression (also as a result of cam choice and other stuff).

It will be presented though.

frpe82
06-24-2008, 05:04 PM
Fredrik,
Ref the 0 280 000 595 ECU on my UK 230FB, my Volvo dealer says the current ECU for my car is volvo 5003835. According to your information earlier in this thread, this is Bosch 0 280 000 935, (which therefore appears to supersede the 595). So this checks out with your data for the FB exc that my car doesn't have A/C.
You car never came with a colored label ECU. Period. It has been swapped at some point.

I hardly doubt that Volvo would put a pink label ECU in the FB car, and definitely not a 940.

The only time they have ever done that is with the first 940 turbo which had nothing else than a colored label turbo ECU available at the time. The colored label ECU was the only one that could use the functions they were after (the first version 940 is exactly like a 740, but with a different shell).

If your car runs like it should with the ECU you have, then you have nothing to complain about. I don't think the car would run better with the 935 either, since the magic in the FB engine is in the EZK and head/cam. It still requires the same fueling as the F and FD so that is why any ECU could be used. Some of the ECU's (read: later ECU's) had beter acceleration enrichment etc. that made them smoother though, but the performance should be the same in the end.

Please confirm that all components other than ECU & EZK (0 227 400 175) can be stock, but I must use higher octane petrol or it will pink?
All hardware components can stay stock. I will however greatly recommend the use of a non-constipated exhaust though since a lot of backpressure will increase the risk of pinging and also not be able to flow enough for the power the chip will be able to give you.

And yes, you will have to run equivalent to 95 octane petrol in the EU as a minimum. 98 octane is highly recommended though, and after chipping the car will probably run better on 98 if we can get the chips to actually use the higher octane number.

And for the ones who will take this a step further, more performance parts in the car means that you will also have to use higher octane (then definitely 98).

One other Q for my interest: Given the current high fuel prices, is there any scope to optimise the chips more for fuel economy than for more power?

Thanks,

Ben
Efficiency means that you will get both more power and better fuel consumption. The power comes from the increased efficiency.

RealEstate
06-24-2008, 06:17 PM
You car never came with a colored label ECU. Period. It has been swapped at some point.

I hardly doubt that Volvo would put a pink label ECU in the FB car, and definitely not a 940.

The only time they have ever done that is with the first 940 turbo which had nothing else than a colored label turbo ECU available at the time. The colored label ECU was the only one that could use the functions they were after (the first version 940 is exactly like a 740, but with a different shell).
I'm a newbie but understand the 595 is a 'coloured label ECU'. There is no record of the ECU being changed before I got the car, but it is possible. The 595 failed at 150k miles, after I got the car and I fitted a recon 595 from ATP. Yes it is a very early 940 (chassis 003800, Jan 91), pretty much a 740. It seems to run fine as it is, if not super lively.

Is my 595 chippable or do I need a different ECU?

All hardware components can stay stock. I will however greatly recommend the use of a non-constipated exhaust though since a lot of backpressure will increase the risk of pinging and also not be able to flow enough for the power the chip will be able to give you.

Any advice on a better exhaust would be appreciated. Should I de-cat the exhaust?

Many thanks,

Ben

frpe82
06-25-2008, 02:49 PM
I'm a newbie but understand the 595 is a 'coloured label ECU'. There is no record of the ECU being changed before I got the car, but it is possible. The 595 failed at 150k miles, after I got the car and I fitted a recon 595 from ATP. Yes it is a very early 940 (chassis 003800, Jan 91), pretty much a 740. It seems to run fine as it is, if not super lively.

Is my 595 chippable or do I need a different ECU?
The chips will primarily be made for the 951 ECU, so you will have to get one of those. We might make the chips for another ECU number as well, but that will also be a whitelabel ECU with a similar number (LH2.4.4).

The 951 ECU will be better even when it is stock (reliability). The performance would probably be the same, but there are other reasons. It will probably adapt better and be smoother with slightly less fuel consumption since both the hardware and the software is better. In a stock application, most people won't really know the difference though, but if it is chipped it would be like night and day when it comes to how the ECU handles the engine.

Any advice on a better exhaust would be appreciated. Should I de-cat the exhaust?

Many thanks,

Ben
A turbo exhaust and a fresh/inspected cat would get you a long way.

RealEstate
06-25-2008, 08:20 PM
The chips will primarily be made for the 951 ECU, so you will have to get one of those. We might make the chips for another ECU number as well, but that will also be a whitelabel ECU with a similar number (LH2.4.4).

The 951 ECU will be better even when it is stock (reliability). The performance would probably be the same, but there are other reasons. It will probably adapt better and be smoother with slightly less fuel consumption since both the hardware and the software is better. In a stock application, most people won't really know the difference though, but if it is chipped it would be like night and day when it comes to how the ECU handles the engine.


A turbo exhaust and a fresh/inspected cat would get you a long way.
Fredrik,
Please confirm that a 951 ECU will work with my B230FB. Are all 951s chippable or do I need to 'open the box' (which sellers may not like)? Is the pin-out the same as my 595, ie any wiring changes required?

Will my 0 227 400 175 be chippable or do I need to find a different EZK? Which one?

Should I start looking for ECUs now or will you provide advice on the best ones to get nearer the time the chips are ready?

Many thanks,

Ben

frpe82
06-26-2008, 03:48 PM
Fredrik,
Please confirm that a 951 ECU will work with my B230FB. Are all 951s chippable or do I need to 'open the box' (which sellers may not like)? Is the pin-out the same as my 595, ie any wiring changes required?

Will my 0 227 400 175 be chippable or do I need to find a different EZK? Which one?

Should I start looking for ECUs now or will you provide advice on the best ones to get nearer the time the chips are ready?

Many thanks,

Ben
The 951 will work with the B230FB. It is the stock ECU (well... one of them). The pin out is the same.

A question which I need the answer to: Do you have an e-fan?

You will have to open the EZK box to see if it is chippable. All black EZK boxes are hit and miss. Only the EZK boxes that ends in 207, 208 and 219 (with gold color) are always 100% chippable.

I will give you all the info on which ECU's that will be compatible once the chips are near completion.

RealEstate
06-26-2008, 03:50 PM
A turbo exhaust and a fresh/inspected cat would get you a long way.
Hi again,
Does this mean retain my stock n/a exhaust manifold, but change rest of exhaust inc downpipe all the way back, for a turbo exhaust?
Thanks,
Ben

RealEstate
06-26-2008, 03:57 PM
The 951 will work with the B230FB. It is the stock ECU (well... one of them). The pin out is the same.

A question which I need the answer to: Do you have an e-fan?

You will have to open the EZK box to see if it is chippable. All black EZK boxes are hit and miss. Only the EZK boxes that ends in 207, 208 and 219 (with gold color) are always 100% chippable.

I will give you all the info on which ECU's that will be compatible once the chips are near completion.
Fred,
I have no e-fan, only a good old viscous coupling! Unless I choose to get rid of it??!!
Thanks,
Ben

klr142
06-26-2008, 04:00 PM
Any exhaust will be fine. Everything will be better if you install a higher flowing, larger diameter exhaust of some sort. Using a turbo car's exhaust is a mild upgrade from the stock system.

frpe82
06-26-2008, 04:29 PM
Hi again,
Does this mean retain my stock n/a exhaust manifold, but change rest of exhaust inc downpipe all the way back, for a turbo exhaust?
Thanks,
Ben
Yes.

frpe82
06-26-2008, 04:30 PM
Any exhaust will be fine. Everything will be better if you install a higher flowing, larger diameter exhaust of some sort. Using a turbo car's exhaust is a mild upgrade from the stock system.
But it will breathe good enough to extract some power. No real need to go any bigger unless you are aiming for 150-160HP or more.

frpe82
06-26-2008, 04:31 PM
Fred,
I have no e-fan, only a good old viscous coupling! Unless I choose to get rid of it??!!
BTW When should I start getting excited about all this?!!
Thanks,
Ben
I was just wondering about the e-fan because I suspect that the colored label ECU doesn't have the ability to control one.

klr142
06-26-2008, 04:34 PM
But it will breathe good enough to extract some power. No real need to go any bigger unless you are aiming for 150-160HP or more.I do agree that it's an improvement over stock. :)

RealEstate
06-26-2008, 05:08 PM
Any exhaust will be fine. Everything will be better if you install a higher flowing, larger diameter exhaust of some sort. Using a turbo car's exhaust is a mild upgrade from the stock system.
Please excuse my ignorance, but which parts of my stock Volvo n/a exhaust would be easiest/cheapest to upgrade? Downpipe, cat....? I could legally decat it because of the car's age.
Thanks,
Ben

RealEstate
06-26-2008, 05:16 PM
I was just wondering about the e-fan because I suspect that the colored label ECU doesn't have the ability to control one.
Is it a problem if the ECU has an e-fan output but it's not used and I retain the viscous coupling fan?
Thanks,
Ben

RealEstate
06-27-2008, 04:46 PM
Fredrik,

For the uninitiated such as me, please could you explain in simple terms what the differences are between the various ECUs.

EG Volvo says the 'correct' ECU for a 230FB is 935. You say that a 951 will also work OK so what is the difference and why does Volvo specify so many different numbers?

Many thanks for all your help.

Ben

klr142
06-27-2008, 08:46 PM
Please excuse my ignorance, but which parts of my stock Volvo n/a exhaust would be easiest/cheapest to upgrade? Downpipe, cat....? I could legally decat it because of the car's age.
Thanks,
BenEasiest and cheapest would be making a cut in between the cat and the flange that's in front of it, and having someone weld on a 2.25 or 2.5" exhaust from there back. That's really all you need to know, as I assume you'll be taking it somewhere to have it done. If you want it to be quiet, use two mufflers. Main thing is you need them to be straight through and perforated core, so they don't hamper performance at all. There have been multiple theads on this too, if you have the time to do some searching.

frpe82
06-27-2008, 09:08 PM
Is it a problem if the ECU has an e-fan output but it's not used and I retain the viscous coupling fan?
Thanks,
Ben
No, but the other way around doesn't work.

frpe82
06-27-2008, 09:13 PM
Fredrik,

For the uninitiated such as me, please could you explain in simple terms what the differences are between the various ECUs.

EG Volvo says the 'correct' ECU for a 230FB is 935. You say that a 951 will also work OK so what is the difference and why does Volvo specify so many different numbers?

Many thanks for all your help.

Ben
ECU numbers are specific to the engine, power, accessories, car model etc. etc.

There aree a lot of different options.

But generally speaking, a higher number on the ECU means that it is newer. Newer hardware components in the ECU and newere/better software controlling it. LH2.4 also comes in several versions (the same thing applies here where the higher number means newer/better) such as LH2.4, LH2.4.1, LH2.4.2, LH2.4.3, LH2.4.4, LH2.4.6.

The 951 works on all naturally aspirated 8v redblocks and it is the newest and best. The 935 which should be stock for your car is specifically made for that engine configuration and may have a slightly better cold start and/or acceleration enrichment. The base map for cruise is different so another ECU will have to adapt more than the 935 that came in the car originally.

RealEstate
06-28-2008, 06:51 AM
ECU numbers are specific to the engine, power, accessories, car model etc. etc.

There are a lot of different options.

But generally speaking, a higher number on the ECU means that it is newer. Newer hardware components in the ECU and newer/better software controlling it. LH2.4 also comes in several versions (the same thing applies here where the higher number means newer/better) such as LH2.4, LH2.4.1, LH2.4.2, LH2.4.3, LH2.4.4, LH2.4.6.

The 951 works on all naturally aspirated 8v redblocks and it is the newest and best. The 935 which should be stock for your car is specifically made for that engine configuration and may have a slightly better cold start and/or acceleration enrichment. The base map for cruise is different so another ECU will have to adapt more than the 935 that came in the car originally.
Thanks for the explanation, clearly expressed as ever and in a foreign language - puts me to shame! Broadly speaking which functions are controlled by the software in the Chips, ie configurable by Fred in his chips, and which remain 'stock' defined by the rest of the ECU/EZK hardware?
Thanks to all for the fantastic help on this Forum.
Looking forward to getting the NA chips!
Ben

frpe82
06-28-2008, 08:43 AM
Thanks for the explanation, clearly expressed as ever and in a foreign language - puts me to shame! Broadly speaking which functions are controlled by the software in the Chips, ie configurable by Fred in his chips, and which remain 'stock' defined by the rest of the ECU/EZK hardware?
Thanks to all for the fantastic help on this Forum.
Looking forward to getting the NA chips!
Ben
This is what is changed in the chips. Totally worked over, and not just modified. It is a totally different software.

ECU chip:

* Based on the newest ECU software (for that LH2.4 version, may it be LH2.4.1, LH2.4.6 or whatever the ECU generation the chip is for) and then adapted to the other ECU's.

* Base map totally worked over / new (the map it starts to adapt from). It is made so that most people should never experience ping or other more serious problems during the adaptation phase (directly after installing the chips and/or resetting the ECU).

* Acceleration enrichment totally worked over / new. It is purely made for efficiency and performance, and not compability at all.

* The targets for adaptation as well as the desired outcome is totally worked over / new. It is purely made for efficiency and performance, and not compability at all.

* The settings for cold start is not changed. This is where you always need stock compability. Don't get me wrong here. We can make it a lot better, but then it will not work at very high/low temperatures and/or when using a heavily modified car. It is better to let it run a little bit too rich and too "safe" than to let it buck, stop and die on you. Performance comes second hand here, and this is where compability is always required (you don't want the car to stop in an intersection 15 seconds after you have started the car in the morning).

* The cold running maps are a little bit changed because we know that the car will be run at higher boost and more agressive ignition, and the cold running maps are not made for it from the factory. Some people need to get into a lot of boost before the car is fully warmed up.

* The load signal from the ECU to the EZK is changed so that the ECU never tells the EZK to retard ignition when it doesn't have to. The load signal is also modified so that the EZK can have as much performance as possible. It is hard to explain in more common terms, but the stock signal is unreliable (load signal changes too much when not needed, and results in the EZK retarding the ignition too much when fueling change, and also the other way around). Some of you may know what I am talking about since you have experienced the hesitation that the stock chips sometimes have.

* All the options, temperatures, switchpoints, settings, etc. have also been changed to give as much performance as possible (there are a lot of small parameters that all together makes for a much more powerful and smoother running car when the ECU no longer have to think about adjusting for a poor / non-existant stage 0).

EZK chip:

* As much ignition advance as possible at all times for a stock car running 15psi of boost on 98 octane EU (93 octane US, from reliable gas stations). The ignition is much more advanced than stock at all times except for when the boost gets close to 13psi where is is less advanced than stock.

* The EZK chip is made for use with the ECU chip. The ignition map is made for a certain AFR target and the chipped ECU's fuel curve and load signal.

* The sensitivity of the knock circuit is changed (if you have one of the gold EZK boxes this will be applied, this setting has no effect on the black boxes since they do not have the hardware to do so). It is purely an adaptation issue and the performance is not worse with the black EZK boxes because of it, just different.

* As with the ECU, the many settings in the EZK has also been changed to give as much performance as possible (there are a lot of small parameters that all together makes for a much more powerful and smoother running car when the EZK no longer have to think about adjusting for a poor / non-existant stage 0). One of the things that may be interesting to know about the many parameters that has been changed is that the rate of retard/advance at the event of knock or high temperature has been changed for maximum performance, but with as much safety as possible in mind. We don't want to blow the engine with too much ignition advance at the wrong time, do we? The rate of which the EZK adds timing back in is changed a bit as well. This way the chipped EZK may feel a little bit sluggish the seconds after it has detected knock, but that is natural (and you should not get knock in the first place if everything is right).

Let's turn it around a little.

What is not configurable in the ECU and EZK?

* The opening times of the injectors (how much time it takes for the injector to open and close without squirting fuel). This may cause issues when at idle with very different injectors (not related to injector size, but to injector type). This only becomes a problem when the required opening time of the injectors are longer than stock.

* The AMM calibration curve. This has it's own chip. If you want to install an AMM from a totally different car where the AMM characteristics is very different from the 016/012 AMM, you need to swap that chip (very hard to do, but it has been done).

* The switchpoints for EGR can not be changed. Instead we disable the EGR system entirely for performance purposes. This also means that if you remove the EGR system, the ECU/EZK will not give you a fault code when the EGR is gone (which the stock chips do).

There are a lot of other things as well, but I can't remember them on top of my head. If there is something specific that is of interest, we can discuss it then.

RealEstate
06-28-2008, 07:08 PM
Fred,
Thanks for another first class explanation.
I get the impression that a lot is configured by the software in your chips. Thus whether your starting point is say 935 or 951 ECU doesn't affect the end result hugely, with differences relating to ECU hardware mainly confined to cold start.
One point: How do you define and determine 'load'?
Thanks,
Ben

frpe82
06-28-2008, 08:31 PM
Fred,
Thanks for another first class explanation.
I get the impression that a lot is configured by the software in your chips. Thus whether your starting point is say 935 or 951 ECU doesn't affect the end result hugely, with differences relating to ECU hardware mainly confined to cold start.
One point: How do you define and determine 'load'?
Thanks,
Ben
If both the 935 and the 951 are of the same LH2.4 version (too lazy right now to check if they are), they will basically be the same after chipping them.

Load is air mass flow vs. rpm. Did that answer your question, or did you mean something else?

RealEstate
06-29-2008, 10:00 AM
If both the 935 and the 951 are of the same LH2.4 version (too lazy right now to check if they are), they will basically be the same after chipping them.

Thanks and noted.

Load is air mass flow vs. rpm. Did that answer your question, or did you mean something else?
I understand that Load is a 'signal' read out from a look-up table (map) of air mass flow vs rpm? So we enter the table with air mass flow and rpm, then read out 'load'? Load will be higher if for a given rpm, air mass flow is higher. If rpm were then to increase, eg because the autobox shifts to a lower gear, load will reduce.

Thus load is a rough analogue of engine output torque at the flywheel (ie before the gears)?

As you can tell, I'm not an auto engineer, but am keen to learn!
(It might be good to copy your explanations to the main body of this FAQ.)
Thanks,
Ben

frpe82
06-29-2008, 10:51 AM
Thanks and noted.

I understand that Load is a 'signal' read out from a look-up table (map) of air mass flow vs rpm? So we enter the table with air mass flow and rpm, then read out 'load'? Load will be higher if for a given rpm, air mass flow is higher. If rpm were then to increase, eg because the autobox shifts to a lower gear, load will reduce.

Thus load is a rough analogue of engine output torque at the flywheel (ie before the gears)?

As you can tell, I'm not an auto engineer, but am keen to learn!
(It might be good to copy your explanations to the main body of this FAQ.)
Thanks,
Ben
To put it simple: The load signal to the EZK is an analogue signal with a digital pulse-train. Simply a signal telling the EZK how much load the car is under.

The load signal is made up of many many components. Mass air flow from the AMM, rpm, how much fuel the ECU is injecting, if in gear or not, if on throttle or not etc. etc. and it kinda' uses a lookup table for it as well just like you guessed.

To cancel out all of the other factors here, the simple equation will be similar to mass air flow x rpm. So if the boost (throttle) goes up, the load signal increases. If the rpm goes up, the load signal also increases. It doesn't decrease like you guessed.

And as an extra piece of information for those of you who have thought about this before:

Why do I then need the EZK chip if the ignition can virtually be set by altering the load map in the ECU?

Because load is just one of the factors the EZK is basing its calculations on.

The EZK also needs:
* A different base map to start from and a static timing setting for different conditions when nothing else can be applied.
* Real time temperature.
* Knock info.
* Rate of spark advance/retard when the load signal increases/decreases (how quick it adds in and subtracts timing vs. how much and in how many steps, and the settle points/leveling points).
* The rate and amount of spark retard in the event of knock and the rate and amount of spark advance to add in after the knock event.

The ECU chip will alter the output to the EZK so that even with the stock EZK you will get a performance boost because the ECU is telling the EZK a different story. It does not go all the way though, and that is why you need the EZK chip.

The load signal is the main component for the EZK, just like the AMM is the main component for the ECU. But all the other settings is what makes for a strong and smooth running car. With just the load signal altered the EZK will skew the ignition map, but not change it or any other setting.

JE Jr
06-29-2008, 05:25 PM
At least nowadays "load" in the ECU is grams of air passing the AMM for one revolution of the crankshaft.

Which also is about what FRPE is saying, but I wanted to clarify it a little more.

frpe82
06-29-2008, 05:28 PM
At least nowadays "load" in the ECU is grams of air passing the AMM for one revolution of the crankshaft.
Yes, that is correct.

But now we are talking LH2.4 and the load signal presented to the EZK from the output of the ECU.

On the ME7 ECU's this is just too easy since everything will be presented to you in real-time, and in the proper SI units. Makes it pretty easy to diagnose the car and tune it roughly to get it on the road on the way to the shop etc.

RealEstate
06-30-2008, 07:57 AM
At least nowadays "load" in the ECU is grams of air passing the AMM for one revolution of the crankshaft.

Fred,
I'm a little confused! Please could you clarify:
Your earlier post said 'load' is air mass flow (ie air mass passing AMM) x rpm and I understood you to say that if air mass flow stays the same but rpm increases, 'load' would increase.

I think JE Jr is saying load is air mass flow per revolution, which would mean that for constant air mass flow, an increase in rpm would decrease load. JE's definition equates 'load' to 'air intake flow', ie how much fuel we burn per power stroke, which would mean 'load' is roughly equivalent to a 'torque' demand (assuming some mechanical and thermal efficiencies). This doesn't seem to agree with your earlier post.
Thanks,
Ben

JE Jr
06-30-2008, 01:32 PM
I think JE Jr is saying load is air mass flow per revolution, which would mean that for constant air mass flow, an increase in rpm would decrease load.
Ben

Yes. (if you mean flow per unit of time)

But that is the new ECUs I have no idea how the old ones worked.

frpe82
06-30-2008, 02:13 PM
Fred,
I'm a little confused! Please could you clarify:
Your earlier post said 'load' is air mass flow (ie air mass passing AMM) x rpm and I understood you to say that if air mass flow stays the same but rpm increases, 'load' would increase.

I think JE Jr is saying load is air mass flow per revolution, which would mean that for constant air mass flow, an increase in rpm would decrease load. JE's definition equates 'load' to 'air intake flow', ie how much fuel we burn per power stroke, which would mean 'load' is roughly equivalent to a 'torque' demand (assuming some mechanical and thermal efficiencies). This doesn't seem to agree with your earlier post.
Thanks,
Ben

Yes. (if you mean flow per unit of time)

But that is the new ECUs I have no idea how the old ones worked.
What we were talking about here was the load signal from the ECU to the EZK. That signal is based on the signal from the AMM, but is modified by the ECU.

If you take "load" out of context in an engine application, then what you will always be referring to is how much air mass flow you need at a certain rpm. More air mass flow at a certain rpm means higher load.

We don't have to complicate it, because it is as simple as that.

RealEstate
06-30-2008, 02:18 PM
Fred,
I think JE Jr is saying load is air mass flow per revolution, which would mean that for constant air mass flow, an increase in rpm would decrease load.

Yes. (if you mean flow per unit of time)
Yes JE as you say, I meant air mass flow passing thru AMM per unit of time. This is what the voltage from the AMM represents (if I'm not mistaken).
All the best,
Ben

760RWagon
07-10-2008, 03:58 PM
Hey guys I had a hell of a time looking for the EZK box to find out that mine is not chipable, My vehicle is a 1990 760 Wagon
/B230ft. I found (well atleast on my car) that the EZK box is located on the drver side kick panel hidden behind another control unit. you need to remove the control unit and you will be able to see it. It has some sort of spring clamp just push down and pull at the same time and it will pop right out. Remove the 4 hex screws on top and you should see if it has a sister board with a chip on it, if not sorry!! you and I are in the same boat. We need to find an Chippable EZK.

RealEstate
07-17-2008, 05:17 PM
Got my 951 ECU ready for Fred's NA chips!:)
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll28/RealEstate99/951_ECU.jpg
All the best,
Ben

nickm
08-16-2008, 11:12 PM
I have a chipped 2.2lh,
Now I'm not getting a nice Idle with it no matter how the base idle and amm are set.
I have swapped back to my stock unit. I get much better running and Idle.
I'm suspecting the problem is with the chipped cpu.
How is it possible to get the chipped unit to revert back to stock or do I need to revome all the added components?
If this is the culprit. I would then like to chip my stock unit, does any one have a copy of the instructions?

I bought the chipped unit compete and modified. I can solder.
Thanks Nick

87volvo740t
08-17-2008, 07:54 AM
I have a chipped 2.2lh,
Now I'm not getting a nice Idle with it no matter how the base idle and amm are set.
I have swapped back to my stock unit. I get much better running and Idle.
I'm suspecting the problem is with the chipped cpu.
How is it possible to get the chipped unit to revert back to stock or do I need to revome all the added components?
If this is the culprit. I would then like to chip my stock unit, does any one have a copy of the instructions?

I bought the chipped unit compete and modified. I can solder.
Thanks Nick

Yeah i am getting the same problem with my chips in my 87 740 turbo, could there be a problem with the Australian models:e-shrug: (but i doubt it), i am going to try them in another 740 turbo next time i am in sydney:)

frpe82
08-17-2008, 09:04 AM
Anyone else except the Aussies that have a problem with this?

dalek
08-19-2008, 06:10 AM
To you two Aussie blokes having problems, do you want to try a US 541 ECU? I probably have a spare one in my pile of ECUs (you really do not want to know which different cars I have ECUs for). I have not chipped it because I am playing with the 2.4 chips, but I know it works stock right now.

boostin'xr4
08-19-2008, 01:42 PM
I have a set of turbo blue label 2.2t's and white label 2.4t's if anyone needs them.
Fred: Do you buy the ecu/icu's or do you recieve them on an order-only basis?
I have a huge box of turbo computers.

frpe82
08-19-2008, 02:11 PM
I have a set of turbo blue label 2.2t's and white label 2.4t's if anyone needs them.
Fred: Do you buy the ecu/icu's or do you recieve them on an order-only basis?
I have a huge box of turbo computers.
I don't understand what you are saying...

Why would I buy ECU's?

boostin'xr4
08-19-2008, 02:14 PM
I don't understand what you are saying...

Why would I buy ECU's?

I read somewhere that someone made a comment ''apparently the idea of a core exchange was lost on this board.''
I guess It wasn't you, nor was it about chipping lol.
Nevermind:-P

frpe82
08-19-2008, 07:15 PM
I read somewhere that someone made a comment ''apparently the idea of a core exchange was lost on this board.''
I guess It wasn't you, nor was it about chipping lol.
Nevermind:-P
Ah. Now I get it.

A core exchange program is not neccesary for the RWD cars since they all have removable chips. We could offer a core exchange on the VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat and the FWD Saab/Volvo though, but that would only apply to Sweden or North EU (differences in the ECU's on many occations).

We will try to do a core exchange program if we ever gather enough US/Canuckistani spec ECU's to keep on the shelf.

boostin'xr4
08-19-2008, 07:34 PM
I have the 967ECU and the 369ICU, so I need a chippable ICU.
Edit: and I just realized my favorite band (In Flames) is from your city.
You lucky Swedes...

BDKR
08-20-2008, 09:07 AM
I have a chipped 2.2lh,
Now I'm not getting a nice Idle with it no matter how the base idle and amm are set.
I have swapped back to my stock unit. I get much better running and Idle.
I'm suspecting the problem is with the chipped cpu.
How is it possible to get the chipped unit to revert back to stock or do I need to revome all the added components?
If this is the culprit. I would then like to chip my stock unit, does any one have a copy of the instructions?

I bought the chipped unit compete and modified. I can solder.
Thanks Nick

Yeah i am getting the same problem with my chips in my 87 740 turbo, could there be a problem with the Australian models:e-shrug: (but i doubt it), i am going to try them in another 740 turbo next time i am in sydney:)

Are you guys going through the full procedure that LH 2.2 needs to set it's idle and tune?

87volvo740t
08-20-2008, 04:41 PM
Are you guys going through the full procedure that LH 2.2 needs to set it's idle and tune?

What do you mean?, if it means set base idle and adjust the mixture with the AMM and a LED, then yes sort of, i am unable to set the mixture the ecu reverts straight to defualt, i have tried using a A/F ratio guage, with some success meaning the mix is stoich, but the symtoms still occur.:roll:
Does any one have any thoughts?

BDKR
08-21-2008, 11:18 AM
...if it means set base idle and adjust the mixture with the AMM and a LED, then yes sort of...


Yes, that's what I meant. But what do you mean by "sort of"?

87volvo740t
08-21-2008, 04:51 PM
The mixture LED doesnt flash it always stays on (that means it is going in to default setting) no matter how many times i turn the AMM screw, but if i plug my old stock ecu, i am able to adjust the mixture just fine.

nickm
08-22-2008, 10:32 PM
yep
set the base idle and adjusted the amm. Can't remember if I got the led working or I used a digital multimeter.

The issues are hard cold starts, poor idle on cold start, and light throttle response is poor, also very rich at WOT.
These these are not issues on the stock unit.
I have not yet de-chipped the unit to see if it is the culprit.
From my understanding the 2.2 cpu is the same worldwide I have 2 541s ?
nick

frpe82
08-23-2008, 12:21 AM
yep
set the base idle and adjusted the amm. Can't remember if I got the led working or I used a digital multimeter.

The issues are hard cold starts, poor idle on cold start, and light throttle response is poor, also very rich at WOT.
These these are not issues on the stock unit.
I have not yet de-chipped the unit to see if it is the culprit.
From my understanding the 2.2 cpu is the same worldwide I have 2 541s ?
nick
Where did you get your chip from? Did you buy it from me or from someone else on the board?

It seems like only the Aussies have a problem with this.

Or do the Aussies have problems with setting the mixture right for some reason?

frpe82
09-08-2008, 05:43 PM
I have added/updated the LH2.2 ECU modification instructions.

Can someone please give me some feedback on that?

I am so use to electronics like circuit boards, soldering, programming etc. that it is possible that it might not be 100% understandable for the novices.

JE Jr
09-08-2008, 05:55 PM
Great write-up but only one thing, think it's just a typing error. Are the numbering correct here?

* Position B705 is a bridge between two solder islands. Remove that bridge.

* Position B702 should be open. Put a bridge between the two solder islands.

* Position B702 should be open. Put a bridge between the two solder islands.

* Position B1 should be open. Put a bridge between the two solder islands.

And the resistors and capacitors...

nickm
09-09-2008, 01:44 AM
Can you tell me were these instructions are? I'm still trying to sort my ecu
thanks Nick

frpe82
09-09-2008, 02:54 AM
Great write-up but only one thing, think it's just a typing error. Are the numbering correct here?
It has been corrected now.

frpe82
09-09-2008, 02:54 AM
Can you tell me were these instructions are? I'm still trying to sort my ecu
thanks Nick
The first post of this thread of course :)

harribert
09-19-2008, 01:48 AM
at the risk of sounding noobish, is there any way to get this stuff done on a 3.1 unit? i mean, no one has tried to crack it at all and it boggles my mind why it hasnt been.

frpe82
09-19-2008, 02:03 AM
at the risk of sounding noobish, is there any way to get this stuff done on a 3.1 unit? i mean, no one has tried to crack it at all and it boggles my mind why it hasnt been.
First of all, it is NA. And second of all, they are very few compared to LH2.4 cars.

We could to NA chips for LH3.1 as well, but since we would sell so few it would not be worth it (unless you feel like paying close to 1000 USD for it).

harribert
09-19-2008, 02:33 AM
First of all, it is NA. And second of all, they are very few compared to LH2.4 cars.

We could to NA chips for LH3.1 as well, but since we would sell so few it would not be worth it (unless you feel like paying close to 1000 USD for it).

no, no i wouldnt want to pay the extra money, hence the question. sad though, being such a refined system. well then, better get on with a 2.4 conversion :D

vali
09-28-2008, 04:22 PM
i have the b 230fd engine ... how much power will i get whit one of your chips and how expensive it will be plus shipping ,considering i am in europe.

thank you

frpe82
09-28-2008, 04:50 PM
i have the b 230fd engine ... how much power will i get whit one of your chips and how expensive it will be plus shipping ,considering i am in europe.

thank you
I get this question a lot. Read the sales thread please.

This time I will tell you what you will get and what it costs, but the next time anyone asks I will not be kind like this.

Taken from the sales thread:

EZK + LH2.4 chip package, for NA B230F/FB/FD/FX. - NEW PRODUCT! -
Price: $285

Price:

The shipping charges are included in the price.

Customers in the European Union (EU):
VAT (25% tax) is added to the price for residents in the EU.
To buy the chips excl. VAT you need to supply your valid VAT-number or get someone outside the EU to buy the goods for you.
Legal documentation/description here: Swedish tax agency SKV 552b, 8th edition (http://www.skatteverket.se/download/18.61589f801118cb2b7b280001497/552b08.pdf)

That means that the chip package will cost you 245 Euro. That includes shipping.

The performance gain for the B230 NA engines is not added to the first post in this thread, so I will cut you some slack there.

The B230F will gain around 10-15HP. The driveability will go up a fair bit and it will feel healthier. With other modifications you will gain some more power.

Read the entire FAQ thread and the sales thread for some more info. Also look at this thread: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=143753

yamahapro
09-28-2008, 06:31 PM
How much are they?...

frpe82
09-28-2008, 08:07 PM
How much are they?...
Haha... :roll:

Ruben
09-29-2008, 04:33 AM
How much are they?...

Like post # 237 does not exist:-P

frpe82
11-30-2008, 11:33 AM
I have updated the FAQ a little.

cmadness
12-01-2008, 01:11 PM
Okay I've read through all these pages and I'm not quite sure I have a definitive answer. I have not opened my EZK but I have a 87 745 TI so I don't think its chippable. I do, however, have access to a 94 940 t that is being parted out. Do you think I could pull the EZK from the 940t, chip it, and use it in my 740t with my ECU? Or where there changes from the 700's to 900's electronics I don't know about?

stoni
12-01-2008, 01:24 PM
Okay I've read through all these pages and I'm not quite sure I have a definitive answer. I have not opened my EZK but I have a 87 745 TI so I don't think its chippable. I do, however, have access to a 94 940 t that is being parted out. Do you think I could pull the EZK from the 940t, chip it, and use it in my 740t with my ECU? Or where there changes from the 700's to 900's electronics I don't know about?

87 = LH2.2 and EZ117K
94 = LH2.4 and EZ116K

frpe82
12-01-2008, 02:31 PM
87 = LH2.2 and EZ117K
94 = LH2.4 and EZ116K
Exactly. They are not interchangeable.

You can however swap to LH2.4, but that involves a lot of re-wiring.

The LH2.2 is chippable too you know. The EZK of the LH2.2 system is not though, but most of it can be helped with some static ignition advance (like you might have read in the FAQ) where you just advance the distributor a little bit.

fsl
01-07-2009, 04:10 PM
Hey I'm going to use your chips on my B234F+T engine and just going around 350hp for now on LH2.4.
The engine has 9:1 CR (ordered cp pistons for higher performance engine on e85, but i dont think i will run on e85 till i change the EFI) or what do you say? If I can run E85 fine on LH2.4 how big injectors and AMM? 350hp is fine for now

frpe82
01-07-2009, 09:18 PM
Hey I'm going to use your chips on my B234F+T engine and just going around 350hp for now on LH2.4.
The engine has 9:1 CR (ordered cp pistons for higher performance engine on e85, but i dont think i will run on e85 till i change the EFI) or what do you say? If I can run E85 fine on LH2.4 how big injectors and AMM? 350hp is fine for now
MAke a bigger AMM out of a 016 AMM (so that it gets up to ~3"), or make a slightly larger size out of a 012 (so that it gets to a little bit over 3"). It is a little bit of fiddling though, and you need to match the AMM and injectors properly.

Regarding injectors: At least 668cc/min. Preferrably 788cc/min.

668cc/min goes well together with a 3" 012 AMM. For 788cc/min you should make a custom AMM.

fsl
01-08-2009, 03:42 PM
I have the stock 3" AMM from B204FT. so 788cc injectors and 012 amm enlarged to 76mm.
Does the stock fuel system pump enough for this? its a volvo 960

frpe82
01-08-2009, 06:32 PM
I have the stock 3" AMM from B204FT. so 788cc injectors and 012 amm enlarged to 76mm.
Does the stock fuel system pump enough for this? its a volvo 960
Well... 012 enlarged to 80-ish something mm. The 012 is close to 3" already.

And the single in-tank pump should in theory be able to supply the flow (I think), but it won't sustain it at a higher pressure. So it might not be able to handle high boost since the FPR will raise the pressure too much.

The dual pump system will definitely not be able to handle it.

Either way, replace the pump with a single Walbro, or even better, a Bosch 044.

fsl
01-08-2009, 07:55 PM
do i have one or two pumps? its a 92 -960. either way, if i have two pumps do i just replace the one in the tank? does a bosch 044 bolt in easy?

frpe82
01-08-2009, 09:35 PM
do i have one or two pumps? its a 92 -960. either way, if i have two pumps do i just replace the one in the tank? does a bosch 044 bolt in easy?
I don't know if the 960 has one or two pumps. Check under the car. Under the front left door. You should find a fuel filter there. If there is a pump next to it, you have two.

The 940's from at least 1995 and up (may be earlier as well) have just one pump.

If you have two pumps, you replace both with just a single one. Remove both and install the new one in the tank.

The Walbro is virtually bolt in (a hose clamp or so is the only thing that is needed if you need anything extra at all).

I don't know about the Bosch 044, but it should be the same thing there. Just a hose clamp or two.