MS'S + I5 COP and or sequential

[Hank Scorpio]

Alright, so MS brianiacs can MS do this yet.

I've been playing with alot of companys stuff that will do I5 COP/Sequential and I have to say, dollar for dollar MS kicks the **** out of all of them. Megalogviewer itself beats anything I've played with yet.

If we can do it, it'll be tested on the t5r then put on the 120.

The flywheel is a 60-2, also uses a hall sensor on the exhaust cam (single window basically). Uses high impedence injectors so that makes life simple and I already have an IAT sensor in for civinco.

I can build a Plug and Play adapter for everything but the coil packs using a spare junk ECU. I also have a set of 960 COP's that I can use.

debate!

[Poik]

I don't see why not, MSnS-E has spark outputs A-F, and if you use the Bosch 60-2 ring as well as a cam sensor, you should be able to have a spark every 24 teeth, eh?

Edit: Actually I just confused myself, and am not sure. Not exaclty sure how the cam sensor is implemented, so I'll leave that for the experts..

[Tabor]

Last time I checked, the odd trigger wheel decoder was in an alpha state and it would not control dwell correctly.

EDIT- As for sequential- who cares?

[Mesoam]

what software does poi's 960 use...or does it not work 100%???

the MS forums are rediculous, its like an electronic engineer orgasm

[Tabor]

Last time I checked, the odd trigger wheel decoder was in an alpha state and it would not control dwell correctly.

Never mind, I was thinking of odd fire: it must work (http://www.extraefi.co.uk/products.htm).

EDIT- Except for some old audi 5 cylinder engines which WERE odd fire.

[Hank Scorpio]

Last time I checked, the odd trigger wheel decoder was in an alpha state and it would not control dwell correctly.

EDIT- As for sequential- who cares?

It would be nice and I assume would be required for COP. I can deal with batch fire for the fueling side.

what software does poi's 960 use...or does it not work 100%???

the MS forums are rediculous, its like an electronic engineer orgasm

Its an I6 which is I would imagine alot easier than an I5 to setup. Im not even sure how you'd batch fire an odd number of injectors (course it could probably be fine on 1 squirt / revolution

Never mind, I was thinking of odd fire: it must work (http://www.extraefi.co.uk/products.htm).

EDIT- Except for some old audi 5 cylinder engines which WERE odd fire.

Hmm... well if the damned brits can do it, Kenny/Mike you guys gotta be able to help me do it ;-)

[740ATL]

Doug, do you know what tooth on the flexplate is under the VR at TDC?

With a redblock, it's tooth 15 (if the flywheel is bolted on according the the volvo instructions).

This will help determine the trigger positions/returns.

Mie

[Hank Scorpio]

Doug, do you know what tooth on the flexplate is under the VR at TDC?

With a redblock, it's tooth 15 (if the flywheel is bolted on according the the volvo instructions).

This will help determine the trigger positions/returns.

Mie

The manual says its 90* off (the -2) so Im assuming #30? The NIRA manual says 82* is a more accurate number for when putting in the trigger angle on T5 motors and NIRA.

I have a motor I can count it on tomorrow.

So Mike... think its do able?

[the poi]

totally doable. my car was runnign jsut dandy on wasted spark mode--all you'd have to add is the second trigger function. With a v3 board you don't even need to do much wiring, jsut attahc the vr to the VR input, adn the hall sensor input to the second trigger stuff. Mine was wired up, but I never had the chance to test it. Its been there for over a year now, so its certainly been tested-- alot of people are runnign the second trigger stuff

[linuxman51]

chris, did you use the vb921's for the 960 coils or do they have modules built in to them?

[Hank Scorpio]

kenny and I are discussing... looks do able. Chris I take it the 960 coils dont have ignitors built in?

[the poi]

Im using the 960 ignitors, they're like 124 modules but with three outputs instead of one. You could use two to fire off the plugs. The t6 COPs though do have built in amps

[Hank Scorpio]

Im using the 960 ignitors, they're like 124 modules but with three outputs instead of one. You could use two to fire off the plugs. The t6 COPs though do have built in amps

hmmm.. now were talking.

[BB-Q]

Why don't you just ask Phil Ringwood, the guy who did the Extra code? The whole point of MS is that it's open source.
Or just look in the Extra manual. ;-)

[740ATL]

Doug... try these for the trigger settings. This is assuming you want a 60 degree trigger angle. It also assumes the 144 degrees per cylinder firing, and takes into account tooth 15 under the VR at TDC (90/6=15).

It's my first guess. All I did was take mine, and instead of having 30 teeth (180degrees) per cylinder, I added 24 (144degrees).

I'd definitely go with the the T6 COP's with integrated ignition modules/amplifiers. All they need is a simple pullup to 5v rather than a vb921. Much simpler wiring.

Mike

EDIT... keep in mind you have to double the wheel decoder base teeth because of the 2nd trigger. Click F1 on the decoder section of megatune for more info. Thus, a 60 base tooth wheel becomes 120.

You may have to play with rising/falling to get it right. Mine runs perfectly on rising, but stalls on falling.

[Hank Scorpio]

wow looks very interesting guys. Hmmm maybe gonna have to get kenny to send me a unit ;-)