how much?

[faytmorgan]

I never got into volvo until recently- looking at craigs list and there are a ton for cheap. and the deal is i alwasy thought they weighed like 2 tons or more. not so - the rwd 240s are abtou 1.5 or so. and tha tis not bad. PLUS volvo makes a TON of turbo motors. so my question is. IF i find a 240 from the 80's with a manual trans.:

what turbo volvo motor should i look into building
and how much power are we talking here- i mean for example the vg30et is god to 550 hp/tq what is the motor you recomend good for?
lastly how well are the trannies built? how much power can they take?

did some searching and i am getting alittle bit in a fuddle more or less.

[Mueller]

I never got into volvo until recently- looking at craigs list and there are a ton for cheap. and the deal is i alwasy thought they weighed like 2 tons or more. not so - the rwd 240s are abtou 1.5 or so. and tha tis not bad. PLUS volvo makes a TON of turbo motors. so my question is. IF i find a 240 from the 80's with a manual trans.:

what turbo volvo motor should i look into building
and how much power are we talking here- i mean for example the vg30et is god to 550 hp/tq what is the motor you recomend good for?
lastly how well are the trannies built? how much power can they take?

did some searching and i am getting alittle bit in a fuddle more or less.

why cannot people add thier location??? :pow:

do you live in a smog state?

supposedly there are some 2.1 four bangers putting out 500hp....as to the vg30et...who cares unless you put one in a Volvo how much they can put out, there are plenty of motors out there that do better or worse, i don't see the point of mentioning it...

go the home page>article>modifications

plenty of reading to get you started with what they came with and how to improve the numbers....

[amargill19?]

I bet he's from the UK, he said "fuddle"

[faytmorgan]

LOL OMG that is hilarious- no i said fuddle more or less because i have a large vocab. i write books - anyway.

I live in the states- anoka/ramsey county of MN. Any of you guys from around here?

so are these motors spendy to build? i will take a look at that home link sounds great. I am a huge fan of turbo motors. What kidn of tuning setups are you guys using (other than mega squirt) is there any daughter boards for these? example

moates.net check out the real tim emulator chip link. I have done alot of honda mitsu nissan toyota chevy and ford. dodge blows (funyn i work at a car dealership - dodge the only motor we make just fine is the hemi 5.7 and the 6.1 the old 2.2 and 2.5 was ok).

as far as the vg i was just giving an example to try to explain what i was referring to.


and before i forget- what engine has the most potential that has a rwd bellhousign pattern that will hook to the 240 manual trans? is it really the sohc? i knwo that there are dohc turbo motors now- do they hook to the bolt patern in the old 240 ect.

lastly mn is not a smog state- open headers as logn as its not too loud around here :)

[faytmorgan]

LOL OMG that is hilarious- no i said fuddle more or less because i have a large vocab. i write books - anyway.

I live in the states- anoka/ramsey county of MN. Any of you guys from around here?

so are these motors spendy to build? i will take a look at that home link sounds great. I am a huge fan of turbo motors. What kidn of tuning setups are you guys using (other than mega squirt) is there any daughter boards for these? example

moates.net check out the real tim emulator chip link. I have done alot of honda mitsu nissan toyota chevy and ford. dodge blows (funyn i work at a car dealership - dodge the only motor we make just fine is the hemi 5.7 and the 6.1 the old 2.2 and 2.5 was ok).

as far as the vg i was just giving an example to try to explain what i was referring to.

and before i forget what 4cyl turbo do you recomend building that hooks to the 240 manual bellhousing that will make the most power. is it just the sohc? because i know there is the dohc- but i do not know if it hooks up to the 240 bellousing.

[faytmorgan]

crap double post sorry guys

[SteveMD]

DOHC turbos 4 bangers have been done here, search on user 740atl. It is just the sohc block with the dohc head found on 740/940 gle '89 - 91. Hell, you can just get the entire dohc motor from the jy and turbo it. The intake manifold will hit the brake booster on the 240, though.

I think euro guys were making upwards of 700 turbo bhp on the stock dohc bottom end (including stock pistons).

[faytmorgan]

all i can say to that is holly hell! man i thenk i am goign to go from nissan to volvo in a short period of time here the ka on stock bottom is good to 520 is the most i have heard of . PLUS you have to do all that MASSIVE custom work. man i did not think these thign were that cool till now.

what about the L5s or the L6s turbo cars from the late 90's and up- they were making like 250-300 hp like right now. you guys build those for the old rwds?

also what block should i look into- wikipedia.org is where i am going to start- its just how i understand things. i want to understand them as a order built. it makes things easier for me.

example: b204 vs b234, or b52 to b62. which block should i look into getting and building?

as far as the brake booster can't it just be relocated?

[SteveMD]

There is some work going on turboing the dohc 5 but it has a different bell housing bolt pattern from the dohc and sohc 4's. I think the dohc 6 is regarded as weak.

The B230ft is the turbo sohc or 8 valve as we call it. B234 is the dohc or 16 valve.

B230-anything prior to '89 had weak rods. '93 on B230ft are supposed to have piston oil squirters.

B234 donor cars have thin brake boosters. I am not sure if that will help the intake/brake issue in the 240. You can just go manual brakes with a right-sized Tilton or other race MC.

[frpe82]

What kidn of tuning setups are you guys using (other than mega squirt) is there any daughter boards for these?
Yes. Chips. Look in my signature below for the appropriate links.

[faytmorgan]

So i take it that the chips are eprom chips?

[faytmorgan]

btw can anyone answer me WHY this guy is onyl runnign high 11's? 847 at wheels? come'on! hell at 3100 pounds he should run high 8's

http://www.dragtimes.com/Volvo-240-GL-Timeslip-8645.html

and what the heck this guy used to get in the 10s?

http://www.dragtimes.com/Volvo-940-GL-Timeslip-4883.html

[SteveMD]

btw can anyone answer me WHY this guy is onyl runnign high 11's? 847 at wheels? come'on! hell at 3100 pounds he should run high 8's

http://www.dragtimes.com/Volvo-240-GL-Timeslip-8645.html

and what the heck this guy used to get in the 10s?

http://www.dragtimes.com/Volvo-940-GL-Timeslip-4883.html

twin turbo V8 since i don't think edelbrock makes a victor jr for a 2.1 volvo 4 banger :-P

[faytmorgan]

well in teh 11.8's he was running a 2.1 with 847 - he eitehr has ALOT less power at wheels then he claims. OR he is not ONYL running 11.8's or he blows at launches.

as far as the 10 secodn volvo he does not mential that he as edelbock anything infac the does nto tell you at all what he is running.

[towerymt]

240 sedan is about 2850-3000lbs depending on how it's optioned, what engine/trans combo, etc. Remove some things you don't need and 2600lbs is easy. That's w/o driver.

[faytmorgan]

reheaallly....:oogle: that means one might onyl need say 350 hp at wheels to make it a decent driver. hmmm.....

what cars had the tq tube setup with the tranny in the back anyhow? and how much power were those good for? i know the 3 series cars (some if not all) had them.

btw i read somewhere that the 16v was not good all i can think to that was - huh? why is that or is that not true and is actually the head one wants?

[L8 APEKS]

Fayt,

So far you're just centering around peak HP and TQ available from misc. engines. It would help to know what your goals are, and whether you're looking for a double duty/weekend warrior car, or a dedicated race car. The two would have vastly different approaches.

Since you're a Nissan guy, I'll put my daily driver in perspective. I have a 1995 940 with 185,000 miles on the engine (2.3L SOHC 8V Turbo) and automatic trans. With a grand total of about $1,150 in aftermarket stuff, I'm playing with 350Z's and G35's light to light, at under 1 bar of boost.

My car is very mild compared to many on the board. And most Volvo engines are extremely stout; moreso than the VG30DE/T/T out of the Nissans. That wasn't their greatest engineering feat. lol.

Granted, most guys here are in 4 cyls with one cam and one turbo, so the peak power output isn't going to rival a 6 cyl with multiple cams and turbos. Just depends on your budget and what you want to do; Volvo has a little bit of everything. And it's not all played out like your sister's Honda, either. :) For Life!

[faytmorgan]

ok i would like to run low 13's and ATEMPT to do about a .90 in the skid pad. nothign real radical i guess. street car for fun that i can dial down for when i am not racing it around town with the jack wod 350z's and the camaros.

why what would you recomend.

[frpe82]

So i take it that the chips are eprom chips?
yes

[faytmorgan]

so are they 512 chips or what? - do you use a burner or do you have a ecu hook up for em'?

god i am sorry guys i am sounding like a complete newbie.

btw how well does those 850's hook up beeing fwd (ie honda = no traction)

[frpe82]

so are they 512 chips or what? - do you use a burner or do you have a ecu hook up for em'?
Chips for redblocks group-buy: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=57781

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If you have any specific questions, don´t hesitate to PM me.

The price in the group-buy thread is currently being changed for several reasons, so that will not be visible for now.

[faytmorgan]

thanx- for the links- i did see that from your sig though ;)

btw - 850's being fwd how well do they hook up? (ie honda fwd-= no hook up with too much power-if there is such a thing)

[stylngle2003]

thanx- for the links- i did see that from your sig though ;)

btw - 850's being fwd how well do they hook up? (ie honda fwd-= no hook up with too much power-if there is such a thing)

they don't hook up unless your name is ericf

[stylngle2003]

btw can anyone answer me WHY this guy is onyl runnign high 11's? 847 at wheels? come'on! hell at 3100 pounds he should run high 8's

http://www.dragtimes.com/Volvo-240-GL-Timeslip-8645.html



oh and by the way, sounds like this kid is a ****ing idiot....twin garretts on a 2.1L, no such thing as a victor jr intake for a b21, lunati cam :wtf:, corvette flywheel and shifter :roll:, enkei suspension....i wouldn't listen to anything he has written there.

plus, he sucks the fat one with launching :rofl:


and a '95 940GL running 10.60s at 149mph....riiiiiight :roll:

[theporscheeater]

im sorta near anoka/ramsey. what car on craigslist did you get..or plan on getting?

[faytmorgan]

really where u from? i was liking at at 240turbo from wis that got bought already- and i found a 280zx no title though- and the tabs arn't old enough to have been out of the system so.... no go there- but i am still looking.

btw ericf? what'd he do? (searching as we be speakin')

[faytmorgan]

DOHC turbos 4 bangers have been done here, search on user 740atl. It is just the sohc block with the dohc head found on 740/940 gle '89 - 91. Hell, you can just get the entire dohc motor from the jy and turbo it. The intake manifold will hit the brake booster on the 240, though.

I think euro guys were making upwards of 700 turbo bhp on the stock dohc bottom end (including stock pistons).

which dohc block though? b230f? b230ft? b230? b204? b234? B23ET? B23FT? B200? B230? B19ET? Redblock Engine? white block? what SPECIFIC block should i look to get for the most bang for the buck potential with the least problems out of a what and what year?

[242Bleek]

which dohc block though? b230f? b230ft? b230? b204? b234? B23ET? B23FT? B200? B230? B19ET? Redblock Engine? white block? what SPECIFIC block should i look to get for the most bang for the buck potential with the least problems out of a what and what year?

Just get a B230FT out of a 93-95 940, thats the squriter bock. B23FT is good too, comes with forged pistons, but kinda hard to find. B21FT is good too but has a lazy CR 7:5:1. All these engines are redblocks, hope this helps.

[faytmorgan]

VERY MUCH SO - this is what i was trying to figure out from the beggining - i like blue printing my engines before i build if i can. ;)