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GratefulNed 09-10-2020 11:25 PM

AC Delco Rack Pinion Steering Rack? 240
 
Chasing down a steering rack, have run my v8 swapped 240 with no p/s pump and all the fluid drained for a while, not sure exactly how bad that is for them but she also has over 350k on her. When i hookup power steering i guess ill find out if all the fluid ends up on the floor...
Steers real good manually though.

I cant find any reman units, and saw the AC delco rack was the most highly recommended one, but the part number seems to no longer exist anywhere.

Anyone know of where to find ac delco racks, or the best option for getting one rebuilt?

84B23F 09-10-2020 11:49 PM

ACDELCO 36350910 {#19146585} might be seal kit...verify

ACDelco had Professional Remanufactured Rack and Pinion Assemblies, but I could not find any available for vintage Volvos

84B23F 09-10-2020 11:56 PM

ACDelco 19146585 will bring up more hits on Google's search

dl242gt 09-11-2020 06:59 PM

Many places are offering rebuilding service only to supply a good steering rack for you. Volvo steering rack sales aren't high enough demand to warrant them keeping racks on the shelves anymore.

84B23F 09-11-2020 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dl242gt (Post 6112593)
rebuilding service.

With RockAuto, unit must be shipped to rebuilder.

AutoZone wants $557.99 for a rebuilt

esmth 09-14-2020 09:54 AM

Whoever could fab up some brackets to mount a more modern/available hydraulic rack to a 240 would make a killing. I have little fab experience of that magnitude, so I might be wrong/overlooking something but it doesn't seem /that/ hard.

shoestring 09-14-2020 12:25 PM

What year 240 and which style rack?

84B23F 09-14-2020 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esmth (Post 6113168)
Whoever could fab up some brackets to mount a more modern/available hydraulic rack to a 240 would make a killing.

Volvo used other OEMs' parts to make a Volvo...just have to trace info to know this history.

Volvo claims

Part Number: 1387445
Genuine Classic Part
Fits 240 (1985 - 1993)
$413.98
The Autobarn Volvo Cars Oak Park
1140 Garfield Street, Oak Park, IL 60304
https://www.volvopartswebstore.com/p...4/1387445.html

GratefulNed 09-16-2020 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoestring (Post 6113193)
What year 240 and which style rack?

Itís a 1993 Volvo 240, I havenít checked whether itís zf or cam, and also canít decide if I would switch to a zf if I had the choice/didnít have one already because I heard theyíre ďthickerĒ in one small spot internally.

Any suggestions on a more modern rack to adapt to anyone? Iím no stranger to fabbing or dreaming...

84B23F 09-16-2020 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GratefulNed (Post 6113990)
Any suggestions...modern rack to adapt to anyone? Iím no stranger to fabbing or dreaming...

Basic Rack and Pinion Tech ... Might scan their site ... From scanning their PDF document, it appears there are common types used by OEMs. ... might even call them or email after boning up via PDF info.

shoestring 09-18-2020 03:54 PM

CAM style rack 19320686 (36R0588) discontinued 4 March 2019
ZF style rack 19320695 (36R0597) discontinued 4 Sep 2019

Neither show any remaining GM/AC Delco supplier inventory.

Mr. V 09-18-2020 06:02 PM

You might want to contact Detroil Axle to check on availability.

They have racks for a bit over two hundred dollars but their site says they are currently out of stock.

Kjets On a Plane 09-18-2020 07:38 PM

Volvo gives you a sketchy rebuilt thing in the blue box or garbage CAM rack at best.
Have fun with that!

ZF are the only racks with components worth rebuilding.

Half the racks have been running around on black slop for fluid/fluid leaked/car ran around without a belly pan and allowed water/salt in to rust/pit rack & pinion gears with torn/shot boots on a front-mounted steering rack.

Good luck. You guys were all bitching & moaning about the cost/buying a good used rack with known good critical components & cost @ Jorgen to rebuild it/double evaluate it with 200-years experience/good quality control in the American steel-belt.

Waste not, want not?
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84B23F 09-18-2020 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoestring (Post 6114504)
CAM style rack 19320686 (36R0588) discontinued 4 March 2019

One site suggested

Part Number: 19320686 Brand: OPEL / GM / GMC / CHEVROLET
Origin: OEM

Opel is European...and one European site might have one

Site (Italy) says, "The brands we treated is: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, Ford, GMC, Hummer, Jeep, Lincoln, Mercury, Pontiac."

So, was Volvo's rack customized for them, or was it just another rack used on other GM vehicles? Volvo may have used different tie rods ends...no doubt, Volvo used GM's pumps.

Like I said, RockAuto will have it rebuilt..but it must be sent to a rebuilder. A kit cost around $50.00 or so

Kjets On a Plane 09-19-2020 01:47 AM

LOL
Most of the rack gears are pitted/rusty/road slop contaminated.
Directional valve housing hogged out.
Volvo guys are cheap, they make quick ratio gears for the rare-bear version of the ZF power rack, but @ current exchange rates... ~$1000+.
Plus machining/sleeving & redoing rings & housing for directional valve if you've got usable gears & core & competent rebuilder/machinist.

Good luck.

84B23F 09-19-2020 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjets On a Plane (Post 6114663)
competent rebuilder/machinist

So, you find a rebuilder, and have 50 done at a time. An active rebuilder should be able to source required parts.

Or

$179.79 CARDONE 261994 {Click Info Button for Alternate/OEM Part Numbers} Remanufactured; Includes Inner Tie Rods - Return and Rebuild Service Only - You send your part to be rebuilt and returned to you. We'll email shipping instructions after you submit your order. Info with ZF Gear; w/ Hydraulic Power Steering

go240go 11-23-2020 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 84B23F (Post 6114681)
$179.79 CARDONE 261994 {Click Info Button for Alternate/OEM Part Numbers} Remanufactured; Includes Inner Tie Rods - Return and Rebuild Service Only - You send your part to be rebuilt and returned to you. We'll email shipping instructions after you submit your order. Info with ZF Gear; w/ Hydraulic Power Steering

Interesting! So the above, plus shipping, and downtime during the turnaround. Shipping can't be cheap for an odd shaped object like this. Does anyone have any experience with utilizing this service?

84B23F 11-23-2020 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go240go (Post 6132317)
Interesting

Being in LA area, I'd fetch an used rack, and rebuild it....or see if any re-builders exist in your domicile.

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carver 11-24-2020 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjets On a Plane (Post 6114563)
V
Good luck. You guys were all bitching & moaning about the cost/buying a good used rack with known good critical components & cost @ Jorgen to rebuild it/double evaluate it with 200-years experience/good quality control in the American steel-belt.

Waste not, want not?

FuĘK....

"Due to unfortunate circumstances Jorgen Automotive is permanently closed. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. Thank you for the thirty plus years of business."

--Chris-- 11-26-2020 08:27 PM

I just went through this too. Came across several posts that recommended Jorgen only to find they closed. Searched for a rebuilt for a while until parts geek got one in stock. Maval ZF rebuild for $350. It was delivered a few days ago. Looks like new, packaged well. Haven't installed it yet so I can't comment on how it well it works.

504 12-03-2020 09:13 PM

I have a ZF rack that my local rebuilder said could not be rebuilt, due to pitting.

Is there any way to fix the pitting?

The CAM rack that I replaced it with has a slow leak. It's leaking out of the input shaft seal. (The ZF had a fast leak, so the CAM is an improvement, but not ideal.)

84B23F 12-04-2020 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 504 (Post 6135026)
ZF rack...Is there any way to fix the pitting?

I'd (myself) slap a kit in it. I have no idea if 'professional' re-builders would bore out a rack and insert a thin tublar sleeve in them.

Assuming this ZF rack was actively being used recently, I'd either send it to,

1. RockAuto's Rebuilder

or

2. Power steering delete

Doing it via item two method means vehicle should be moving when turning steering wheel, and a person should always keep one hand on the steering wheel. I assume Volvo engineered structural aspects so more additional forces involved would not be a safety issue.

kyote 12-04-2020 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 504 (Post 6135026)
I have a ZF rack that my local rebuilder said could not be rebuilt, due to pitting.

Is there any way to fix the pitting?

The CAM rack that I replaced it with has a slow leak. It's leaking out of the input shaft seal. (The ZF had a fast leak, so the CAM is an improvement, but not ideal.)

How bad is the pitting?
JB weld on a toothpick and some fine sanding/polish work could probably get it done.

84B23F 12-05-2020 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyote (Post 6135144)
sanding/polish work

Never messed with racks, but a brake hone would be the ideal way to clean up a bore...if just outer ends are where the pits are located. But, if JB is used, excess should be wiped out so a smoth round bore is seen...no fricken mountains for that brake hone to pass over.

Again, clean it up, and slap a $50.00 kit in it...a shop mechanic's opinion may be based upon reading a textbook.


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