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John V, outside agitator 10-14-2007 02:19 AM

Squirterizational mod RENTAL KIT for INCREASED PERFORMANCE
 
OK it hurts my brain too much when I see certain things blurted out as "absolute must-do" things and then poor saps expending time and effort and extra money to find the supposed "perfect" thing.
The post 1991 B230 blocks with the squirters is one such thing.

As such I started a thread about making a LOANER KIT FOR THE TURBOBRICKS COMMUNITY which could be sent out to guys when its rebuild time so they could mod their blocks with just a simple drill---as long as it can chuck up 1/2" shank.

I thought it would be pretty simple and inexpensive to get the parts, but it was suggested that the kit should be a LOANER kit sent out against a stiff deposit--ie more than enough to cover the parts and the time to make the jig.

To those who may be interested. THIS KIT IS NOT FOR SALE.

Its done and its easy.
Took about 40 minutes cause it is a lot of swapping out of the drill bits.

The big deal is that you have to drill way down there in the block and you really need to be plumb or square and you have 4 operations per hole.
First thing is a faced off a FORD 2300 head bolt to have a square surface, then drilled and tapped it to M8

So snug the special FORD bolt.

Place the fixture on the FORD bolt and finger tighten the M8 bolt finger tight.
http://www.rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/g...Redblock02.JPG
get the 1/4" drill bushing and place it in the jig, put the long 1/4" bit in your drill, stick it thru the bush and ease it down to the flat above the oil gallery.

Find a spot about half way from the cylinder to the block wall.

http://www.rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/g...Redblock03.JPG

OIL the spot and drill with moderate pressure---it's IRON, you don't have to push too hard.
BE FAWKIN CAREFULL as you feel it start to break thru to the gallery. Ease up and speed up the drill speed.

Next, swing the fixture out of the way and put the spot face cutter in.
It's piloted with a 1/4 pilot so it will be guided in the hole.
IT WILL KISS THE OUT WALL OF THE BLOCK A BIT SO HOLD IT UP WHEN YOU PULL THE TRIGGER AND EASE IT DOWN. WHEN ITS ON THE FLAT SURFACE CONTROL THE DRILL SPEED AND PUSH DOWN AND KISS THE SURFACE TILL ITS A CLEAN SWEPT CIRCLE, NO MORE.

http://www.rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/g...Redblock04.JPG

Now get the 1/4 bit and slide it back thru the jig and move it around so the drill goes thru the hole and isn't tweaked or bowed and then tighten the M8 bolt.

Next remove the 1/4 drill bush, replace it with the 7mm bush and drill thru the hole.

Now remove the jig, get the M8 x 1 tap and the 1/4 drive extention and carefull line it up and start the tap. OIL, and don't give it more than 2-2 1/2 turns without backing off a half turn.
Tap thru the hole but don't go all the way till the tp bottoms on the roof of the oil gallery.

http://www.rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/g...Redblock06.JPG

Repeat.

The positions I chose were for easiest access. Cylinder 1 I did at the rear pad, cylinder 2 at the front pad, or each side of No2 Main, cylinder 3 I used read pad, cylinder 4 I used the front pad--or each side of No4 main.

http://www.rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/g...Redblock05.JPG

Pretty easy, just take your time.

http://www.rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/g...Redblock07.JPG


This is a good community, it's fun talking to you guys on the phone and see enthusiasm here I haven't seen as regularly in any of the other brands I deal with.

I'm happy I can do this as a sorta service to you guys who don't have easy access to a Bridgeport mill and I'm really glad that you poor bastids living where Volvos aren't filling the wrecking yards that you now don't have to dig and spend money looking for the elusive for you post '91 pre-quirterized blocks.

There's only the issue of the out of control nature of one or more of the Moderators..

Doing this for percieved personal animus is the definition of LAME, and so whoever moved the original thread has shown that they don't have the maturity or judgement to be a "Moderator"

I'm asking that some of the more mature Mods make this a sticky in the PERFORMANCE section where the question of squirters comes up so frequently.

And I'm asking where a discussion of just how the process of disciplining out of control mods can take place.

They CAN ruin things for a lot of people with their antics.

the poi 10-14-2007 02:30 AM

That's a pretty badass kit.

JohnLane 10-14-2007 02:31 AM

Cool kit John.
What manner of deposit do you expect that you will need for using your kit?
+1 on this one being made a sticky.

Poik 10-14-2007 02:32 AM

Nice writeup John, this should be made into an article/sticky.

Lucky the Smiling Pirate 10-14-2007 02:53 AM

yes.

good.

sticky.

rallyvovo 10-14-2007 03:12 AM

awesome john!


ps - im giggling 24/7, can you guess why?

BB-Q 10-14-2007 03:29 AM

Another vote for this being made a sticky, but edit out the bitching and add a paragraph such as:
Quote:

Pre 1993 blocks are without the piston oil squirters which are so important in keeping piston temperatures down and thus keeping detonation at bay, allowing higher boost levels to safely be used.
Here is a kit which has been developed to allow those with the earlier blocks to modify them to the later spec (using BMW squirters, available from the kit manufacturer) without the requirement to take your block to the machine shop.

As this item has taken some time to develop and the parts also have a physical cost, there will be a deposit chargeable on the loan of the kit- repayable on the return of said kit within one calender month of loan in good condition.If you break it or lose it, you pay for it. Trackable and insured shipping is therefore recommended.

Please PM John V, outside agitator for details

BB-Q 10-14-2007 03:33 AM

P.S., you remember we discussed making a kit to ship over to the UK for the European guys to use? ;-)

John V, outside agitator 10-14-2007 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB-Q (Post 1447500)
P.S., you remember we discussed making a kit to ship over to the UK for the European guys to use? ;-)

Yep just gotta pick up the bits now we know the whole plan works easily.....

MikeSr. 10-14-2007 07:09 AM

Nice job, John. Put me on the list.

Any measurements on the proper depth?

Frag 10-15-2007 12:49 AM

Decent writeup, the pics are nice!

I just saw this a few days ago up at Johns. I can't say I was paying the best of attention, as I was messing around with a turbo and I don't have a current need. But it looks like a pretty sweet kit, I wouldn't mind something like this for the next 2.3 ford rebuild.

RoadRacer4Life 10-15-2007 12:05 PM

very nice i am impressed..

kyote 10-15-2007 12:10 PM

You're a good man, John Vanlandingham.

dbh86 10-15-2007 02:54 PM

So when can we start signing up to use this?

smurf244 10-16-2007 12:41 AM

Sweet kit man, I have a 86 B230FT block in need of this kit. Do you think you might sell the squiters with this? Put me on the list as long as the deposit isn't to much. Also, the ford head bolt think, is that part of the kit or is that something the user has to come up with? One more thing, can you add a picture of just the kit?

Adam

DecalServiceBrett 10-16-2007 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyote (Post 1449005)
You're a good man, John Vanlandingham.

Werd!

Kevin Hawkinson 10-17-2007 01:59 AM

The Ford bolt is machined, so it would come with the kit.

Nice work John!

Mueller 10-17-2007 09:06 AM

that is wicked sweet...nice job...

loctite on the squiters bolts? torque value?

I don't need the kit, but I'd buy the squirters from you if it's worth your time to package and ship 'em :)

badvlvo 10-18-2007 05:38 PM

NIce work John. Thanks for taking the time to set this up.

cjstephens 10-22-2007 12:17 PM

would you be willing to send overseas? not for a while atleast. I want to squirt my b23 build but after the b230 dies.. meh may aswell do it to both! got a part number on the squirters? I know they are BMW and i know i should search but its late down under :)

cheers

BB-Q 10-22-2007 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjstephens (Post 1459128)
would you be willing to send overseas? not for a while atleast. I want to squirt my b23 build but after the b230 dies.. meh may aswell do it to both! got a part number on the squirters? I know they are BMW and i know i should search but its late down under :)

cheers

If all goes according to plan I'll be dealing with the world outside America. So no problems shipping the kit to Australia as long as you have no problems shipping it back to the UK and paying any customs charges that may (but shouldn't) occur. Sending stuff as samples for return normally gets round the customs charges. ;-)

YLD244 11-12-2007 08:15 PM

Also, blocks that came with the squirters had the high volume oil pumps, where the gears were around 3mm taller, to allow for the extra amount of flow that the squirters required.

Do you recommend that people performing this mod upgrade to the high volume pump???

John V, outside agitator 11-12-2007 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YLD244 (Post 1490912)
Also, blocks that came with the squirters had the high volume oil pumps, where the gears were around 3mm taller, to allow for the extra amount of flow that the squirters required.

Do you recommend that people performing this mod upgrade to the high volume pump???


Yes, absolutely. However I think you might find that all the turbo cars at some point got the higher volume pump.

BB-Q 11-13-2007 03:39 PM

That's a very good point, but does anyone have the info on the gear widths?

DaytonAE86 11-18-2007 04:58 PM

Awesome, what size is that face cutter? 1/2 inch?

I've got access to an M8 tap, and making a jig is easy, just need the info.

Where do you get the squirters, or are they BMW part numbers that I can order at any dealership.


Or, before I run off and do something rash, how much is the deposit and how much for the squirters, from you.


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