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13c to 15g swap

My oil & coolant lines swapped with some persuasion, no cutting required. New banjo washers was it.
 
sbabbs said:
When I cut the factory metal oil feed lines to make em fit say custom dealio like tdo4 lines for a b21ft, I'd just weld em back together with oxy and acetylene gas! Other thing some of those tdo4 say 16t or 19t the water lines are not in the same bolt in hole in the center section of the turbo, that might be problem, but you can plug the wong hole with short bolt you cut short and just pop out the little freeze plug where correct hole is already and just tap it with correct tap. The best wastegate bracket I've found is one of the engine hangers from a d24, works perfect, yeah I welded on that also.
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Well I have had 15G,-16T turbos in my 745 and now a TD04HL-22T and still using all stock oil/water/connections with banjos from the -13c turbo, if you change anything it will be for your eyes only.
 
sbabbs said:
When I cut the factory metal oil feed lines to make em fit say custom dealio like tdo4 lines for a b21ft, I'd just weld em back together with oxy and acetylene gas! Other thing some of those tdo4 say 16t or 19t the water lines are not in the same bolt in hole in the center section of the turbo, that might be problem, but you can plug the wong hole with short bolt you cut short and just pop out the little freeze plug where correct hole is already and just tap it with correct tap. The best wastegate bracket I've found is one of the engine hangers from a d24, works perfect, yeah I welded on that also.
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ALL TD-04 water and oil lines are in the same position
I went looking at bigger turbos for my 740 and looked at 5 or 6 up to a 19T, and they were all identical.
 
sbabbs said:
When I cut the factory metal oil feed lines to make em fit say custom dealio like tdo4 lines for a b21ft, I'd just weld em back together with oxy and acetylene gas! Other thing some of those tdo4 say 16t or 19t the water lines are not in the same bolt in hole in the center section of the turbo, that might be problem, but you can plug the wong hole with short bolt you cut short and just pop out the little freeze plug where correct hole is already and just tap it with correct tap. The best wastegate bracket I've found is one of the engine hangers from a d24, works perfect, yeah I welded on that also.
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That's exactly what I have done in the past. I sleeve the junction & either silver solder or braise the lines. The banjo unions are braised anyway, so it's no different in terms of permanence if done properly. I made these to fit a 20g

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Braised AN fittings to stock pipes to add WG, etc....

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5ft24 said:
ALL TD-04 water and oil lines are in the same position
I went looking at bigger turbos for my 740 and looked at 5 or 6 up to a 19T, and they were all identical.
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Yeah but there are 4 holes for two water lines sometimes the other holes are drilled and tapped. Sorry if you've never seen that, but look at the center section of your tdo4 depends on what car it was for which holes you have that are ready for insertion or not.

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Pic for proof of what I am talking about so people will see I am not full of BS..
 
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per0lund said:
Well I have had 15G,-16T turbos in my 745 and now a TD04HL-22T and still using all stock oil/water/connections with banjos from the -13c turbo, if you change anything it will be for your eyes only.
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Wow! I never said the stock 13c lines wouldn't work I said some tdo4 center sections had different locations for the water line holes. Try and use the stock water hard line in the hole in the other spot and let me know how that works for you. You sure are expert on telling others what you don't know. I'm getting sick of it..

Also I did 8.0 in 1/8 mile on my way to 12.61 in quarter mile with 15G Getrag 5 speed, your 9.35 ain't sheet....

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The 19t that I just sold had the same water passages as what you are describing, Simon. I believe he was able to use the original passage on it when upgrading from a 13c.
 
sbabbs said:
Wow! I never said the stock 13c lines wouldn't work I said some tdo4 center sections had different locations for the water line holes. Try and use the stock water hard line in the hole in the other spot and let me know how that works for you. You sure are expert on telling others what you don't know. I'm getting sick of it..

Also I did 8.0 in 1/8 mile on my way to 12.61 in quarter mile with 15G Getrag 5 speed, your 9.35 ain't sheet....

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Well it is true but, you only have to straighten the line out a little bit and change angel and then it fits.

I?ve never done anything else and it still works, and looks just fine. I sprayed mine with some heat resistant aluminiumpaint, as well

And by the way my 9,3 was made in 2005 with a -16T, things has happened since that, the slip is gone long time ago, it wasn't 'readable any longer.

These races have been forbidden in Sweden for 8 years now so I don`t expect to make a better time.

The car is in workshop at this very moment ,with a brand new engine and set up for maping and dyno test , so I hope to get it done this week.
 
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MadDog_945 said:
Wait what?! Since when you swedes consider whether it's legal or not to race ?! What races you talkin bout?
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Legal streetrace There was a organization called "Black race" that organized races for the "common" with simple rules.
You get a time slip every time you race, and there was official lists of the races.

Races where held at a road closed while races where going on

Now days, there are only a couple of drag racing tracks where you can race if you have classified car with a lot of safety equipment, licence to race and so on.

The Swedish authority's makes their best to stop or make it difficult to arrange these competitions as well, applying to environmental argues as noise and pollution.
 
sbabbs said:
Wow! I never said the stock 13c lines wouldn't work I said some tdo4 center sections had different locations for the water line holes. Try and use the stock water hard line in the hole in the other spot and let me know how that works for you. Y
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The 16T from a P2 uses the other outer port - I had to remove the plug & tap the lower port. No way to plug the lower port & have the line properly routed on top

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lookforjoe said:
The 16T from a P2 uses the other outer port - I had to remove the plug & tap the lower port. No way to plug the lower port & have the line properly routed on top

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Hmm your car is a fwd Volvo the don't have the same engine or lining, at all as a 740 with a -13c.

But it start getting stupidity, all I try to say is linings are not a problem to focus at.

The bracket would rather be more important.
 
Did you get to read my 13C->19T conversion? I have in depth pictures on installation and what i had to deal with. Oil Feed line did not line up properly so i had to bend it to the CHRA. Oil Drain line Did not line up properly because CHRA was different to the 13c, So oil would have never made it to the pan if i didn't cut the metal lines and replace with a flexible hose. Finally, as long as your Water feed and water out lines are at least partially flexible, then you will not have any problems with fitment. '

THe Kinugawa kit. I got it also for my installation but ended up only using like 20-30% of the kit. Oil lines and stuff will require completely replacing your Solid Oil lines, which from when i was doing it, would probably be even more tedious than installing the turbo.

And the 19T vs. 13C oil+water input holes were a bit different. Not in location but whether or not it was blocked off or not there.
 
per0lund said:
Legal streetrace There was a organization called "Black race" that organized races for the "common" with simple rules.
You get a time slip every time you race, and there was official lists of the races.

Races where held at a road closed while races where going on

Now days, there are only a couple of drag racing tracks where you can race if you have classified car with a lot of safety equipment, licence to race and so on.

The Swedish authority's makes their best to stop or make it difficult to arrange these competitions as well, applying to environmental argues as noise and pollution.
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In California if you get caught street racing they can impound your car and crush it. Police also would use impounded cars to go undercover. People had police scanners and would usually leave to the next spot before the cops showed up to the big ones.



There are a couple 1/8th mile tracks nearby and some 1/4 mile tracks still in Los Angeles.
 
They have closed all the 1/4 mile tracks near LA, Palmdale was the last one a d it's been closed for a couple years. The rock quarry revoked the lease
 
Sounds like your turbo wasn't reclocked properly. CHRA is identical in coolant and oil locations. TD04 anything are identical CHRA's


Fumomike said:
Did you get to read my 13C->19T conversion? I have in depth pictures on installation and what i had to deal with. Oil Feed line did not line up properly so i had to bend it to the CHRA. Oil Drain line Did not line up properly because CHRA was different to the 13c, So oil would have never made it to the pan if i didn't cut the metal lines and replace with a flexible hose. Finally, as long as your Water feed and water out lines are at least partially flexible, then you will not have any problems with fitment. '

THe Kinugawa kit. I got it also for my installation but ended up only using like 20-30% of the kit. Oil lines and stuff will require completely replacing your Solid Oil lines, which from when i was doing it, would probably be even more tedious than installing the turbo.

And the 19T vs. 13C oil+water input holes were a bit different. Not in location but whether or not it was blocked off or not there.
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5ft24 said:
They have closed all the 1/4 mile tracks near LA, Palmdale was the last one a d it's been closed for a couple years. The rock quarry revoked the lease
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Well crap. I thought there was at least still Palmdale. ...

There is still qualcomm stadium and Barona Casino 1/8th mile. It was just enough track to get into third gear a it the bit and then time to let up.
 
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