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b230ft 9mm piston/rod to 13mm possible?

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Seeing lots of picces of rods sticking out of the sides of the blocks..

And comparison with other motors..There are other engines that get beat on..You look at them then look at a 13mm rod..
Like a lot of things its a simple matter of "compare and contrast", a great way of learning instead of just believing...

That and talking to engine builders who build serious things...

So you looked at pictures and talked to people? Isn't that just regurgitating information?
Do you really have no experience running these motors yourself? :omg:
 
Seeing lots of picces of rods sticking out of the sides of the blocks..

And comparison with other motors..There are other engines that get beat on..You look at them then look at a 13mm rod..
Like a lot of things its a simple matter of "compare and contrast", a great way of learning instead of just believing...

That and talking to engine builders who build serious things...

My 13mm rods ended up like this:

http://www.viatrack.ca/Misc/IMG_8662.JPG

Than I bought H rods and pistons from you. That was some time ago. The car still runs great.
 
My 13mm rods ended up like this:

http://www.viatrack.ca/Misc/IMG_8662.JPG

Than I bought H rods and pistons from you. That was some time ago. The car still runs great.


Well I remember you fondly and i remember the photo, but you're old! and I'm old.
Culbertson is not even 30, so he has confidence, the 13mm rods "are perfectly fine"..

Flat out statement, so even though you've posted evidence, even though by eye sees a pathetic weak design...Sorry, we're both wrong..

See that's how you learn stuff Boris, you just say "It's perfectly fine" and then the trolls come out and pile on... Isn't that how most advancements in human history are spread?
The standard of proof is "I haven't had problems with _________________" therefore there cannot be problems"
 
Well I remember you fondly and i remember the photo, but you're old! and I'm old.
Culbertson is not even 30, so he has confidence, the 13mm rods "are perfectly fine"..

Flat out statement, so even though you've posted evidence, even though by eye sees a pathetic weak design...Sorry, we're both wrong..

See that's how you learn stuff Boris, you just say "It's perfectly fine" and then the trolls come out and pile on... Isn't that how most advancements in human history are spread?
The standard of proof is "I haven't had problems with _________________" therefore there cannot be problems"
You are taking his words out of context. He said perfectly fine on a stock set up with moderate boost. Which, he is right. If you bend 13mm rods on a stock turbo at 15psi, it wasn't the rods fault.
 
"Perfectly fine" is relative. For a 160HP motor the 13mm rods are perfectly fine, arguably so are the 9mm rods. For a 200HP motor they're probably still perfectly fine, provided you're not pinging. For 250HP you might be getting close to the ragged edge for even the 13mm rods but that's a more than 50% increase over the stock power level so who is surprised? Especially when you consider that it is an evolution of a 92-114 HP motor. It's not indicative of a design fault that an engine cannot tolerate sustained production of 50%+ more power than it was ever designed to produce. There is some headroom but at some point if you want to push the power far enough beyond the original design envelope, you have to modify the original design accordingly. The stock rods were designed to be an acceptable compromise of mass, cost and strength, and in a stock motor producing stock power levels they meet those design goals with room to spare.
 
Except there are many other engines out there that easily and reliably handle 5 times their rated power. By comparison, those make redblocks look like the turds they really are.
 
John, do you even read entire posts? It seems like you miss some key parts of what people say. It seems to me that you tend to berate people when they miss something that you say, but that's just an observation.
 
So you looked at pictures and talked to people? Isn't that just regurgitating information?
Do you really have no experience running these motors yourself? :omg:


depends on who you are talking to..Talking to dreamer loser parts-counter schmucks and its kinda pointless and you are right, I want to puke.
Talking with serious engine development guys who have 50 years experience with making very high p[owered engines, its a pleasure.. It's called "dia log" from dialogos

(you seem to be so uneducated and unaware in so many different ways I have to assume you don't know what dialog is..Since I feel sorry for you I post the etymology for you:
dialogue (n.) Look up dialogue at Dictionary.com
early 13c., "literary work consisting of a conversation between two or more persons," from Old French dialoge, from Latin dialogus, from Greek dialogos "conversation, dialogue," related to dialogesthai "converse," from dia- "across" (see dia-) + legein "speak," from PIE root *leg- (1) "to collect, gather," with derivatives meaning "to speak (to 'pick out words')."

Sense broadened to "a conversation" c. 1400. Mistaken belief that it can only mean "conversation between two persons" is from confusion of dia- and di- (1); the error goes back to at least 1532, when trialogue was coined needlessly for "a conversation between three persons." A word that has been used for "conversation between two persons" is the hybrid duologue (1864).

So regurgitation, that feeling normal people have when reading your endless obvious trolling, which the bulk of your postings here consists of.. is a different thing than adults discussing things as equals.. Especially nice when they have been doing their work longer than you and Mr. Culbertson have been alive...you don't have to be particularly bright--and god knows I've never claimed that-----to learn a fair amount in 40 years.
 
John, do you even read entire posts? It seems like you miss some key parts of what people say. It seems to me that you tend to berate people when they miss something that you say, but that's just an observation.

What did I miss? There IS a fair chance of it..I may read whole thread before commenting but I also admit I consider sources and weigh things written with author in mind...
 
"Perfectly fine" is relative. For a 160HP motor the 13mm rods are perfectly fine, arguably so are the 9mm rods. For a 200HP motor they're probably still perfectly fine, provided you're not pinging. For 250HP you might be getting close to the ragged edge for even the 13mm rods but that's a more than 50% increase over the stock power level so who is surprised? Especially when you consider that it is an evolution of a 92-114 HP motor. It's not indicative of a design fault that an engine cannot tolerate sustained production of 50%+ more power than it was ever designed to produce. There is some headroom but at some point if you want to push the power far enough beyond the original design envelope, you have to modify the original design accordingly. The stock rods were designed to be an acceptable compromise of mass, cost and strength, and in a stock motor producing stock power levels they meet those design goals with room to spare.


I guess it comes down to what you consider safe "head room"--which I call "margin of safety"..

And there's also what I may do on my own stuff versus what I would advise somebody else to spend time and money to do...

And note..the Redblock blocks may be heavy but just look at the way Volvo did their mainline...then compare that to a whole lotta other motors out there and you'll see that the Volvos are NOT remarkably stock blocks... (that may help to explain why the redblocks spit out core (freeze) plugs: block squirm/block resonantion) They are GOOD but not remarkable...You have been inside other motors I presume.. Look at the amount of iron in the block half of the mainline..Volvo is sculpted away and have holes..many others are fat solid iron in the block half..

And plenty of engines go 300,000 miles with the proviso of having oil in them always...Nothing remarkable there...
 
So that's a no? You haven't actually run any of these motors yourself?

Of course you dim wit, what do you think I have in my 88 wag-goon, Or in the other Volvos I've owned, einstein?
I was driving Volvos when your money was listening to you crying.
How arrogant can you be?

AND even if i didn't drive them, that does not invalidate anything..

Never owned or drove a Dourvin 2,8 or 3,0 and that didn't prevent me from making one that made over 512 hp and 530 ft/lbs for some guy up here.

Its called skill Dickman, knowledge..Something you don't posses except in running your mouth.

Get off this thread if you have no engine knowledge to contribute..which you don't so get lost.
 
How arrogant can you be?

Never owned or drove a Dourvin 2,8 or 3,0 and that didn't prevent me from making one that made over 512 hp and 530 ft/lbs for some guy up here.

Arrogance? This we see from you John. Usually with age we mellow. You? If anything you are at least 300 pounds heavier (all muscle) behind the keyboard.... No indication of mellowing with age. :rofl:

As for you 'making one' as you refer to the PRV six.... You supplied internals which were delivered with machine steps not completed, a set of pistons in the wrong size... Ect Ect. Hence my sourcing engine internals elsewhere. Today I reach for more displacement in them. More fun!

I built the engine, engine management and programming. Dave Clark built the first turbo installation. I did turbo updates since.
 
Arrogance? This we see from you John. Usually with age we mellow. You? If anything you are at least 300 pounds heavier (all muscle) behind the keyboard.... No indication of mellowing with age. :rofl:

As for you 'making one' as you refer to the PRV six.... You supplied internals which were delivered with machine steps not completed, a set of pistons in the wrong size... Ect Ect. Hence my sourcing engine internals elsewhere. Today I reach for more displacement in them. More fun!

I built the engine, engine management and programming. Dave Clark built the first turbo installation. I did turbo updates since.

Lane we were discussion engines and internals. I supplied the rods and pistons and Foster bored it..They worked good. The rest is just your mono-mania...You memeory has been affected and I feel sorry for you that you have been having this condition and the black outs and stuff but you are not a reliable source for anything..

The 4 sets of pistons you ordered which arrived what ever it was 92mm rather than as ordered, 93mm you may recall were delivered IN TIME..albeit quite the rush for CP to re-do...
As for you sourcing things elsewhere, good for you.. You were a terrible customer and a horrible pain to deal with. memory again...

Your first full 3,0 thing--and remember it was I that alerted you that there was the 3,0 Eagle Premier version which you were totally unaware of, that worked fine....and worked fine for a long tiime..

You and we all know your memory is not all there, its not your fault, John, and again i would not wish your problems on anybody, even you, but revising history and making up sheet yourself and then writing as if it was true is not right...
 
Says the guy that thinks stock 13mm rods aren't strong enough for a stock turbo motor. :roll:

Your stock street driven never seen an ounce of competition 88 n/a 245 is the best example you got? Really? :lol: :rofl: :wtf: :rofl:

Conveniently my ex found and sent me this old clip just today. My first redblock full motor rebuild back in the late 90's. Unlike you, I actually used what I built. Had to learn for myself what to do and not do by actually running my cars on race tracks. Strangely despite my lack of "skill and knowledge", it's still running some 20 years later.

https://youtu.be/4NBNGCet_Lc
 
Your first full 3,0 thing--and remember it was I that alerted you that there was the 3,0 Eagle Premier version which you were totally unaware of, that worked fine....and worked fine for a long tiime..
..

:rofl: it is sooooooo important to you to have been a part of my PRV six.

I recognized the PRV six in an Eagle Premier in 1989 when I rented one after breaking a main shaft in an M-46 at the start line for a 1/4 mile run. You had absolutely nothing to do with that and did your very best at trying to get me to 'ditch that Frenchie turd for a nice iron block Volvo lump.' I replaced many PRV sixes in customer cars throughout the '90s with even-firing three liters as they were available in yards for cheap and made a nice smooth runner for clients.

The troll is still not worth the effort. :rofl: But it gets credit for being consistently full of itsself.
 
Never owned or drove a Dourvin 2,8 or 3,0 and that didn't prevent me from making one that made over 512 hp and 530 ft/lbs for some guy up here.

Its called skill Dickman, knowledge..Something you don't posses except in running your mouth.

Get off this thread if you have no engine knowledge to contribute..which you don't so get lost.

Lane we were discussion engines and internals. I supplied the rods and pistons and Foster bored it..They worked good.
So now it's okay to boast about "making" a motor when really all you did was spec/supply the pistons and rods?!? :lol:
I think you are so full of yourself you actually believe you "built" that motor.

If this is your definition of "building motors", then hell, I've "built" a 1152rwhp 8v redblock. My "skills and knowledge" must know no bounds. I mean 1152rwhp! That's got to be some kind of record! Who can argue with that "build" under my belt?!? You should bow to my all knowing greatness!
 
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