home register FAQ memberlist calendar

Go Back   Turbobricks Forums > Mechanical > projects & restorations

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-28-2012, 02:11 PM   #101
Manbeard
#helpbrock2k16
 
Manbeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: fuquay-varina, nc
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyle242gt View Post
Looks like that'd be my path to megasquirt tuning and boost support. But I still have to figure out the wiring.

If I take it slow, I should be able to source pretty much all the wiring from the donor, ECU included. One of the slick things about it is it's sequential injection.

I wonder what the 5.0 guys do when they turbo... eh, down the road.
a lot of guys use like sct tuners and the like whenever they turbo it.

its not a fox specific forum, but if you ever need info or anything, if you post on horsepowerjunkies.com/forums, there's a TON of fox drivin rednecks (its an nc-based site) on there that are more than willing to help with that side of the project..
__________________
2012 tdi
Manbeard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2012, 07:35 PM   #102
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

Back at it today, another six hours or so... finished tracing out the wiring, extracted the fuel pump wiring, traced a few more things around to hopefully get my brain around the wiring. Kinda scary because I know I'm not likely to get back to it for many many moons.

Couple small lulz occurred - while pulling the fuel pump/relay/impact wiring out of the body harness, wound up with an extra wire. Went round and round trying to understand what the purpose of it could be.... oh yeah fuel gauge.

Then, while debating trying to get the car to start and run by kludging the wiring back together off-car (to prove out what I'd been doing so far) my wife came home. Ran it past her, and she gave me the look "haven't you done wiring before?"

So, I proceeded to pull the wiring off the car, then got crackin on the engine pull. Stopped short of actually getting it out (I like foreplay) but did get the exhaust, driveshaft, smog pump, power steering pump (unsure if I will want PS or if the mustang rack can be run de-powered, or if it will even work) off the car. Rather funny to notice the driveshaft bolts were loose... and the tailshaft seal is trashed. But the trans oil was new looking (and smelling), and broken connectors indicated it had been recently out. And the flywheel (Made in China, conspicuously stamped), while ferrous, has the look of a hotrod piece. Curiouser and curiouser.

At any rate, the Roach has rolled its last. Might try to get the engine/trans out tomorrow.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg P7063642.JPG (185.5 KB, 750 views)
File Type: jpg P7063644.JPG (122.5 KB, 821 views)
File Type: jpg P7073651.JPG (144.5 KB, 749 views)
File Type: jpg P7073649.jpg (112.9 KB, 748 views)
File Type: jpg P7073652.JPG (131.4 KB, 751 views)
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickbuilder View Post
You don't grow wealthy by working your ass off.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redwood Chair View Post
Get a life.
I built a 5.044!
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2012, 07:38 PM   #103
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

oh yeah one more art shot
Attached Images
File Type: jpg P7063645.JPG (161.3 KB, 755 views)
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2012, 08:53 PM   #104
Magnum TE
Broke another B230F+T
 
Magnum TE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Santa Rosa Ca
Default

Last thing I heard was an SR swap, now I check in a few months later and you're going 5.0

Hit me up sometime I can hand you tools/beer and laugh at your misfortune - oh that's right you already have a wife.
__________________
Goldie Bricks - '92 940T : B230F+T MSnS-e...
The Black - '98 318i : stock drive-train DD

I have some cool stuff done to my cars

The Gold Car: Owner since 2001
B230F+T MS1nS-E / Ford T5, 1pc DL
ebay FMIC / Mechman Alternator
T3 60/.63 ATP WG / 98#/hr injectors
Full 3" Turbo to tail / IPD TP Cam
IPD bars / Coilovers
Koni Dampners / Lower Chassis brace
NIW-T3 camber plates / Full poly front end
Full Kaplhenke Rear end
-Torque rods -PH Bar -Subframe
Daily Driver
Magnum TE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 05:48 PM   #105
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

Sold the engine/trans/radiator today. now to finish taking the 5.0 out.

//edit, that didn't take long.

No pics because wife and kids took all the cameras on their vacation...

Last edited by kyle242gt; 07-25-2012 at 06:24 PM..
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 11:53 PM   #106
turbofiend
Board Member
 
turbofiend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Visalia, Ca
Default

Sweet project dude! That thing is going to haul.
turbofiend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2012, 08:27 AM   #107
550
Board Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Illinois
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum TE View Post
Last thing I heard was an SR swap, now I check in a few months later and you're going 5.0

Hit me up sometime I can hand you tools/beer and laugh at your misfortune - oh that's right you already have a wife.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kyle242gt View Post
Sold the engine/trans/radiator today. now to finish taking the 5.0 out.

//edit, that didn't take long.

No pics because wife and kids took all the cameras on their vacation...
Just something I noticed, but your avatars... look a lot like, kind of. Facial expression wise lOL
__________________
Joe Bieda
V.C.O.A. Midwest Chapter President.

1984 242 M46 GLT.
-Couple of things done to it

1998 S70 Auto.
-LONG history.

1983 242 M46

Check out http://JJFAB.net For your K24 CBV blanking plates and oil feed/return flanges!!
550 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2012, 04:09 PM   #108
Magnum TE
Broke another B230F+T
 
Magnum TE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Santa Rosa Ca
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 550 View Post
Just something I noticed, but your avatars... look a lot like, kind of. Facial expression wise lOL
only difference is that my Avatar is actually ME, but coincidence is noted.
Magnum TE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2012, 04:35 PM   #109
550
Board Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Illinois
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum TE View Post
only difference is that my Avatar is actually ME, but coincidence is noted.
QFT! And extra points because of that...
550 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2012, 04:57 PM   #110
grnmachine02
Indicating?
 
grnmachine02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyle242gt View Post
Looks like that'd be my path to megasquirt tuning and boost support. But I still have to figure out the wiring.

If I take it slow, I should be able to source pretty much all the wiring from the donor, ECU included. One of the slick things about it is it's sequential injection.

I wonder what the 5.0 guys do when they turbo... eh, down the road.
Also check out http://www.theturboforums.com/ That started life as a turbo mustang only forum. There's all kinds of info to be had over there.
__________________
1990 745t- b230ft, ebay manifold, hy35, Microsquirt, t5 2jz and w58 eventually no engine, and a decent mold collection on the interior.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikep View Post

Rage boner achieved.
grnmachine02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2012, 02:31 PM   #111
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

Out, empty, and gone....

Next step - degrease the 5.0/T5, tear out the PV's interior, and start cuttin.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 2012-07-25_14-03-19_19.jpg (70.0 KB, 631 views)
File Type: jpg 2012-07-25_14-42-29_754.jpg (118.5 KB, 629 views)
File Type: jpg 2012-07-25_17-30-12_21.jpg (89.4 KB, 628 views)
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2012, 11:36 PM   #112
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

Front sheetmetal is off... tomorrow disassembly continues forthwith.
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 01:09 AM   #113
D123GT
Board Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Minnesota
Default

nice work. be interesting to see how you fit the 5.0 in there
__________________
1987 760 turbo sold
R.I.P 1996 960 saved three lives
sold 1967 123 GT sold
sold 1998 C1500 sold
sold 1998 S70 sold
sold 1991 740 SE Project car
1978 Trans Am Project
1997 960 sold
2002 s80
D123GT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 09:17 AM   #114
JohnMc
PV Abuser
 
JohnMc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: St. Louis
Default

DIWY?

(Does It Wheelie Yet?)

I just ordered another cam for my PV's B20. I go through cams with a certain amount of reckless abandon. Double valve springs, high lift cams, high rpms, yeah.
__________________
'63 PV Rat Rod
'93 245 16VT Classic #1141
JohnMc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 07:34 PM   #115
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

Hi ho hi ho, rip and tear I go.

Removed steering, pedals, dash, wiring, ebrake, carpeting etc. Found a bunch of rust in the floors. Guess that's to be expected from something so old.

Took a look at the Mustang rack - it's really too wide. Kind of on the fence re: power or manual, but I guess I'll see what I can find at Pnp. Anyone with any tips or ideas? Might still use the Mustang column, we'll see how that shakes out.

As of now, planning to use the Mustang pedals, master, booster, etc. The PV pedals, floor-hung as they are, are really in the wrong places, and the PV brake master is potentially in the way - at the very least, I'd never be able to fill it.

Sold a few more parts off the Mustang, now officially a HoverCar. Down to $700 net cost of donor. I feel pretty good about that. Be really nice if I could've used the rear end and steering, but such is life.

Looks like I might be in trouble as far as pedal clearance goes, so I may enlarge the footwell by angling the inner kick area outward and expanding the front of the firewall; there's a lot of room inside the fender.

Next step will be to remove the fuel and brake lines from the tunnel, and then cut away.

This is a crazy big project, really didn't bother thinking too far ahead. Probably for the best.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN2401.jpg (119.1 KB, 572 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2403.jpg (101.6 KB, 571 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2402.jpg (110.0 KB, 574 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2404.jpg (117.6 KB, 566 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2407.jpg (119.6 KB, 571 views)
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 07:35 PM   #116
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

it's all nekkid!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN2408.jpg (101.3 KB, 566 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2409.jpg (113.1 KB, 564 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2406.jpg (120.2 KB, 563 views)
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 08:34 PM   #117
mavawreck
The son of Chico Dusty
 
mavawreck's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Default

Still can sell the headlights. Sand the bumper down, fill any imperfections, hit it with some OEM looking primer....sell.
__________________
Blue collars don't pop, they're too soaked with sweat.
- The Saturday Knights.
mavawreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 09:59 PM   #118
JohnMc
PV Abuser
 
JohnMc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: St. Louis
Default

If you're not going to use the steering column - want to sell me the turn signal switch housing?

Mine is 25% thick rattle can paint (peeling), 60% crystallized crumbing plastic, 15% cracks.

Those floors are pretty solid compared to mine. It has rust worse than that... on the (poorly installed) replacements! laugh-laugh-cry
JohnMc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 01:53 AM   #119
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

Hi John - sounds like a possibility - will be a while until I deal with the steering column, bug me later if you remember. Mine looks to be OEM casting and overspray, some crystallization.

Mav - the front bumper I've had some inquiries on, but it's pretty shredded at the lower grille area. Think it's worth farting with?
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2012, 08:41 PM   #120
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

With an ounce of luck and a smootch of determination, tomorrow I cut.

Degreased the engine today, it's definitely been apart recently; not a spec of paint on the block or heads (fools decided to forgo $10 of paint?) all exposed gaskets are pliable and new looking.

Did some measuring with the oil pan, crossmember, radiator support, firewall....



The front sump, which doesn't have a pickup as far I can see, is in the way of "optimum" positioning - ie, engine as far back as possible while retaining accessibility to the rear plugs (etc) and keeping the shifter location reasonable. If I put the front sump behind the PV crossmember, the engine's (probably) too far back. If put the front sump ahead of the PV crossmember, there's no room for the radiator.

So, I'll either leave the front sump as-is and just put it (all but) smack on top of the crossmember, or remove it altogether in the interest of getting the engine a little lower in the chassis. We're talking 3/4" or so, so maybe not worth sweating.

Gotta love the details.
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2012, 06:56 PM   #121
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default




Cut out the firewall, tunnel, and test fit things.

Shifter seems okay, suspension still has travel, looks like a I can fit a radiator, room for clutch/starter, oil filter is a no go (at least the length that's on there) and I'm headed for trouble with the headers.

Had been hoping to use the BBK shorties, either stock or swapped, maybe even flipped, but none of those are going to work as is.

Can either move the engine forward and down a bit, putting the crossmember in between the sumps; that'd screw up radiator fitment. Guess the Explorer WP is shorter?
Or, move it back about four inches, which makes header fitment a fantasy, but would fit the engine sexy far back and sexy low.

Chassis engineer types, what's mission:critical here? Far back as possible, low as possible, or just focus on feasible?

On the upside, I think I'll have ample room for pedals, though I still think I'll be kicking out the clutch side of the footwell.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN2413.JPG (191.9 KB, 533 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2416.jpg (113.4 KB, 503 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2417.jpg (111.5 KB, 501 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2419.jpg (102.9 KB, 571 views)

Last edited by kyle242gt; 08-10-2012 at 01:49 PM..
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2012, 06:59 PM   #122
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

sh!t just got real
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN2420.JPG (197.8 KB, 502 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2421.JPG (164.9 KB, 503 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2423.JPG (172.7 KB, 503 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2424.JPG (195.4 KB, 499 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2418.JPG (167.7 KB, 504 views)
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2012, 07:01 PM   #123
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

Last pic is blurry, but the idea is the lower control arms are still a bit under level, and there's a couple-three inches between the upper arm and the bumpstop.

Nice thing is, though this is a major hackfest, it's still a PV as far as the front end is concerned.
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2012, 07:19 PM   #124
Redwood Chair
K-jet For Life
 
Redwood Chair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: - Stock PSI Or Bust -
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyle242gt View Post

Guess the Explorer WP is shorter?
It's the whole accessory pack from a thunderbird that's 1.5" shorter.
&
http://www.ronmorrisperformance.com/
__________________
Raise The Lowered


Image hosted by servimg.com

Quote:
Originally Posted by hiperfauto View Post
Folks on here don't know a good deal when they see it.
how psi stock cna support?

Redwood Chair is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2012, 08:54 PM   #125
kyle242gt
Subtle as a V8 544
 
kyle242gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Default

Moved the engine around a bit, got it where I think it'll wind up. Sitting forward from my initial placement, but that makes the exhaust clearance a bit easier. A bit. Shifter looks to be in a good spot too.

It also gets the engine lower, and centers the crossmember in the sump. Clearance for pulleys, water pump, and radiator will be an issue, so nothing's set in stone yet.

Posted in OT about the header situation - nothing off the shelf for this, so I'll have to roll my own. Leaning toward a sprintcar-style kit, cheaper to buy prebent sections (with flanges, collectors, gaskets, bolts) than individual bends. Might revisit this.

But as I got to thinking about the exhaust fab (which really should be pretty fun, if not exactly easy), I realized I needed to sort out the steering. In turn, the pedals need to be located, so I know where the brake booster will wind up.

That brings us to today. Pulled the column and pedals out of the Mustang, layed them in place, and did some for a while. Column weighs a lot, don't know if that's to be expected or not? Will need to have the lower end shortened and probably section the upper end, wheel is out a bit far.

Brake booster looks doable too. Think I'll wind up with clearance for exhaust under and in front of it. Issue at this point is the pedal cluster (and attendant linkages) expect to be mounted vertically, and the firewall of the PV is sloped quite a bit. If I somehow manage to mount the pedals at the angle dictated by the firewall, the booster and master will (probably) stick out the top of the fender.

What I'd like to do is cut the firewall out where the pedal cluster attaches, and rebuild it around the pedals and booster. That would also move the booster back and allow more exhaust clearance. Obviously the firewall is structural, so not sure how much of it I can cut out. Opinions welcomed!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN2431.JPG (184.8 KB, 584 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2430.JPG (165.8 KB, 445 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2429.JPG (191.8 KB, 450 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2426.JPG (171.0 KB, 451 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2425.JPG (186.9 KB, 447 views)

Last edited by kyle242gt; 08-13-2012 at 09:02 PM..
kyle242gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:20 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.