M56h Swap, afew Q's before I buy...

slo854T · 10-23-2009, 04:58 PM

Hey guys. My Automatic took a dump. I have a few options. I've got all of the parts on order.

New:
Clutch lines
Master cyl.
throwout bearing
Clutch kit
Flywheel & bolts

(probably CV axles too)

Used:
M56h

Quote:

(ECU Included)
I wish...

Pedal box
Shifter and linkage

Are there any more parts I need?

Anyone know of performance clutch options?

Anyone Know any tricks to make sure the shifter functions Optimally?

impulse922 · 10-23-2009, 05:01 PM

the stock R clutch is actually quite sufficient from what i have read.

annnd, someone on VS recently made a short shift plate for these that should make it a little nicer to shift..

slo854T · 10-23-2009, 05:39 PM

oh, yeah. Short shift? Badass, thanks for the advice...

gsellstr · 10-23-2009, 09:18 PM

First off, you might wanna figure out if you're going early or late M56H. Early with an external slave and separate TO, or late with an internal slave/combined TO.
CV's are the same.
Pedal box from an 850 is different than an x70.
Shift boot from a random SAAB seems to work well on the 850 auto console.
Get yourself some bronze shifter bushings. Found mine on ebay for $20.
You don't need the pilot bushing.
You WILL need a tool to fit the flywheel bolts.

gotboost · 10-23-2009, 10:47 PM

I'm running the Euro 850R clutch with the short shift kit and brass bushings on my S70 T5. Shifter is super nice and tight now. And I've never felt that clutch slip.

FattMatt805 · 10-24-2009, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsellstr

First off, you might wanna figure out if you're going early or late M56H. Early with an external slave and separate TO, or late with an internal slave/combined TO.
CV's are the same.
Pedal box from an 850 is different than an x70.
Shift boot from a random SAAB seems to work well on the 850 auto console.
Get yourself some bronze shifter bushings. Found mine on ebay for $20.
You don't need the pilot bushing.
You WILL need a tool to fit the flywheel bolts.

i got my brass shifter bushings for 4.99+ shipping, i think it was like 14 bucks total

gsellstr · 10-24-2009, 02:47 AM

Yeah, mine was something like that as well. I think it was 9.99 plus 10 for shipping. Something stupid cheap though.

slo854T · 10-24-2009, 10:45 AM

Rad, guys. Which Transmission is better for my set-up? I think it may be a later model, because my guy only ordered a new master cylinder. This guy I met on vs is settin me up with all of the parts, good price.

Why wouldn't I need a pilot bushing?

Bronze shifter bushings, R clutch, short shift plate. These are good, keep the suggestions rolling. I need to learn as much as I can before I dive-in!

gsellstr · 10-24-2009, 02:45 PM

The input shaft doesn't actually reach the crank, nor the pilot bushing. Weird huh?

Depends on what year you're car is. -95 has a speed sensor in the trans, 96+ doesn't since it uses an ABS signal. 96-early 98 were external slave, late-98 on were an internal slave. You CAN use the late trans and internal slave with a single-mass flywheel, even though they originally came on dual-mass equipped cars.

There is also a difference in flywheels, with the split in either 95 or 96 (don't remember). There's a different style of tone ring, so plan accordingly. Either the wiring on the car can be swapped over (switching 2 pins - pretty simple) or you can spec the correct flywheel from the get-go and be done already.

Falcone · 10-24-2009, 02:58 PM

Why not go for an L and save a few hundred?

slo854T · 10-26-2009, 03:38 PM

I bought the H because I like the idea of a lower gear ratio. The trans I got has 150k on it an it's the early model (external slave). I got everything from center console/shifter to pedal box to new clutch and other parts new for $1100.00

slo854T · 10-26-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotboost

I'm running the Euro 850R clutch with the short shift kit and brass bushings on my S70 T5. Shifter is super nice and tight now. And I've never felt that clutch slip.

Do you know the part # for the R clutch? Where did you go to buy your short shift kit?

jnderr · 10-27-2009, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slo854T

Do you know the part # for the R clutch? Where did you go to buy your short shift kit?

sconeman on VS for the short shift plate, or he has a website setup for it.

http://www.shortshiftkit.com/

You can contact Jamie Putnam at Darrell Waltrip volvo for the R clutch, think it was less than $200.

Another mod for the shifter to help clean up the slop is to remove the bushings from the shift cable bracket. Here is the vs thread with pic

http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index...n-m56-solution

slo854T · 10-27-2009, 10:14 PM

Righteous! I have a new clutch. I'll try to get ahold of Jamie for the R clutch. If I can get one I'll just take the other one back to the dealer.

Thanks for the help!

gotboost · 10-27-2009, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsellstr

The input shaft doesn't actually reach the crank, nor the pilot bushing. Weird huh?

Yeah...but the dealership won't tell you that and has no problem selling you one!

gsellstr · 10-28-2009, 12:27 AM

Depends on the dealer. Mine told me so.

LloydDobler · 10-29-2009, 03:11 AM

Also a few parts you want to change while you're in there that I didn't see you mention are your rear main seal and tranny shaft seals. They're cheap and worth swapping while it's all apart.

EricF · 10-29-2009, 08:11 AM

The short shift stuff and de-bushifying everything is not for everyone. I for one think that unless all the rubber bushings are in place, these shifters feel like crap. Very notchy with a ton of feedback... Even my 100% stock shifter setup now with the brass bushings at the transmission connections feels like crap to me. I'd rather have something that will shift fluidly than something that gives a ton of feedback.

Have seen it on a couple of other 850s too, I just don't like it. To each their own!

linuxman51 · 10-29-2009, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsellstr

The input shaft doesn't actually reach the crank, nor the pilot bushing. Weird huh?

fairly common these days actually. the evo doesn't either, and I hear tell a lot of hondas and other fwd-ish stuff doesn't either. not sure about subarus.

slo854T · 10-29-2009, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LloydDobler

Also a few parts you want to change while you're in there that I didn't see you mention are your rear main seal and tranny shaft seals. They're cheap and worth swapping while it's all apart.

Thanks, noted. I would have forgotten.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricF

The short shift stuff and de-bushifying everything is not for everyone. I for one think that unless all the rubber bushings are in place, these shifters feel like crap. Very notchy with a ton of feedback... Even my 100% stock shifter setup now with the brass bushings at the transmission connections feels like crap to me. I'd rather have something that will shift fluidly than something that gives a ton of feedback.

Have seen it on a couple of other 850s too, I just don't like it. To each their own!

I appreciate the feedback.

I'll see, I'm sure there will be some fine tuning involved. I like comfort too.

gsellstr · 10-30-2009, 12:04 AM

Interesting comments Eric. I installed bronze bushings in her shifter and it does feel a touch notchy. Not bad, but it's there. I don't think I'd wanna go with a short shifter for a DD. It's actually got a pretty nice feel at the stock length for the DD.

10-23-2009, 05:01 PM	#2
impulse922 Board Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: satx	the stock R clutch is actually quite sufficient from what i have read. annnd, someone on VS recently made a short shift plate for these that should make it a little nicer to shift.. __________________ -Matt '03 s60 T5M

10-23-2009, 09:18 PM	#4
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	First off, you might wanna figure out if you're going early or late M56H. Early with an external slave and separate TO, or late with an internal slave/combined TO. CV's are the same. Pedal box from an 850 is different than an x70. Shift boot from a random SAAB seems to work well on the 850 auto console. Get yourself some bronze shifter bushings. Found mine on ebay for $20. You don't need the pilot bushing. You WILL need a tool to fit the flywheel bolts. __________________ RIP Doug Williams "Mr. Doug" 4/15/2009 Pete Fluitman "fivehundred" 7/14/2013 Mick Starkey "TrickMick" 1/10/14 Mark Baldwin "blue850t5" 7/19/18 Nick Fengler "fengler" 8/6/18 Thomas Fritz "stealthfti" 10/11/18 Bob Davi "bob davi" 10/2021 74 144 B20 http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=224983 90 745Ti http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=334698 If you need Superpro bushings PM me for price and availability!

10-23-2009, 10:47 PM	#5
gotboost contributor Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: PNW	I'm running the Euro 850R clutch with the short shift kit and brass bushings on my S70 T5. Shifter is super nice and tight now. And I've never felt that clutch slip. __________________ Currently: 1993 Volvo 244 +T. 15G Turbo, 3" exhaust, chipped Previously: 1997 Volvo 850R Manual Wagon, The "Battlewagon" (the one that got away) 1998 S70 T5M SE 1985 245 +t

10-24-2009, 02:58 PM	#10
Falcone Board Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cornhole, Onfckingterrible	Why not go for an L and save a few hundred? __________________ K-Town Brick Militia________94 854 The BBQ I was us up all night with a rusty hammer trying to build a fence around these magic beans my dreams have gathered

10-29-2009, 08:11 AM	#18
EricF Volvospeed Spy Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: St. Pete FL	The short shift stuff and de-bushifying everything is not for everyone. I for one think that unless all the rubber bushings are in place, these shifters feel like crap. Very notchy with a ton of feedback... Even my 100% stock shifter setup now with the brass bushings at the transmission connections feels like crap to me. I'd rather have something that will shift fluidly than something that gives a ton of feedback. Have seen it on a couple of other 850s too, I just don't like it. To each their own! __________________ -Eric - 1995 850 T5-R Yellow - Back on the Road - 2006 Dolphin Boats 22 Bull Center Console - 250 ETEC

10-23-2009, 05:39 PM	#3
slo854T Board Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Roseville, CA	oh, yeah. Short shift? Badass, thanks for the advice...

10-24-2009, 02:47 AM	#7
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Yeah, mine was something like that as well. I think it was 9.99 plus 10 for shipping. Something stupid cheap though.

10-24-2009, 10:45 AM	#8
slo854T Board Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Roseville, CA	Rad, guys. Which Transmission is better for my set-up? I think it may be a later model, because my guy only ordered a new master cylinder. This guy I met on vs is settin me up with all of the parts, good price. Why wouldn't I need a pilot bushing? Bronze shifter bushings, R clutch, short shift plate. These are good, keep the suggestions rolling. I need to learn as much as I can before I dive-in!

10-24-2009, 02:45 PM	#9
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	The input shaft doesn't actually reach the crank, nor the pilot bushing. Weird huh? Depends on what year you're car is. -95 has a speed sensor in the trans, 96+ doesn't since it uses an ABS signal. 96-early 98 were external slave, late-98 on were an internal slave. You CAN use the late trans and internal slave with a single-mass flywheel, even though they originally came on dual-mass equipped cars. There is also a difference in flywheels, with the split in either 95 or 96 (don't remember). There's a different style of tone ring, so plan accordingly. Either the wiring on the car can be swapped over (switching 2 pins - pretty simple) or you can spec the correct flywheel from the get-go and be done already.

10-26-2009, 03:38 PM	#11
slo854T Board Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Roseville, CA	I bought the H because I like the idea of a lower gear ratio. The trans I got has 150k on it an it's the early model (external slave). I got everything from center console/shifter to pedal box to new clutch and other parts new for $1100.00

10-27-2009, 10:14 PM	#14
slo854T Board Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Roseville, CA	Righteous! I have a new clutch. I'll try to get ahold of Jamie for the R clutch. If I can get one I'll just take the other one back to the dealer. Thanks for the help!

10-28-2009, 12:27 AM	#16
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Depends on the dealer. Mine told me so.

10-29-2009, 03:11 AM	#17
LloydDobler Board Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PDX	Also a few parts you want to change while you're in there that I didn't see you mention are your rear main seal and tranny shaft seals. They're cheap and worth swapping while it's all apart.

10-30-2009, 12:04 AM	#21
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Interesting comments Eric. I installed bronze bushings in her shifter and it does feel a touch notchy. Not bad, but it's there. I don't think I'd wanna go with a short shifter for a DD. It's actually got a pretty nice feel at the stock length for the DD.

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