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Old 10-23-2009, 04:58 PM   #1
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Default M56h Swap, afew Q's before I buy...

Hey guys. My Automatic took a dump. I have a few options. I've got all of the parts on order.

New:
Clutch lines
Master cyl.
throwout bearing
Clutch kit
Flywheel & bolts

(probably CV axles too)

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(ECU Included)
I wish...
Pedal box
Shifter and linkage

Are there any more parts I need?

Anyone know of performance clutch options?

Anyone Know any tricks to make sure the shifter functions Optimally?
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:01 PM   #2
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the stock R clutch is actually quite sufficient from what i have read.

annnd, someone on VS recently made a short shift plate for these that should make it a little nicer to shift..
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:39 PM   #3
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oh, yeah. Short shift? Badass, thanks for the advice...
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Old 10-23-2009, 09:18 PM   #4
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First off, you might wanna figure out if you're going early or late M56H. Early with an external slave and separate TO, or late with an internal slave/combined TO.
CV's are the same.
Pedal box from an 850 is different than an x70.
Shift boot from a random SAAB seems to work well on the 850 auto console.
Get yourself some bronze shifter bushings. Found mine on ebay for $20.
You don't need the pilot bushing.
You WILL need a tool to fit the flywheel bolts.
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Old 10-23-2009, 10:47 PM   #5
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I'm running the Euro 850R clutch with the short shift kit and brass bushings on my S70 T5. Shifter is super nice and tight now. And I've never felt that clutch slip.
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Old 10-24-2009, 01:13 AM   #6
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First off, you might wanna figure out if you're going early or late M56H. Early with an external slave and separate TO, or late with an internal slave/combined TO.
CV's are the same.
Pedal box from an 850 is different than an x70.
Shift boot from a random SAAB seems to work well on the 850 auto console.
Get yourself some bronze shifter bushings. Found mine on ebay for $20.
You don't need the pilot bushing.
You WILL need a tool to fit the flywheel bolts.
i got my brass shifter bushings for 4.99+ shipping, i think it was like 14 bucks total
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Old 10-24-2009, 02:47 AM   #7
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Yeah, mine was something like that as well. I think it was 9.99 plus 10 for shipping. Something stupid cheap though.
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Rad, guys. Which Transmission is better for my set-up? I think it may be a later model, because my guy only ordered a new master cylinder. This guy I met on vs is settin me up with all of the parts, good price.

Why wouldn't I need a pilot bushing?

Bronze shifter bushings, R clutch, short shift plate. These are good, keep the suggestions rolling. I need to learn as much as I can before I dive-in!
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Old 10-24-2009, 02:45 PM   #9
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The input shaft doesn't actually reach the crank, nor the pilot bushing. Weird huh?

Depends on what year you're car is. -95 has a speed sensor in the trans, 96+ doesn't since it uses an ABS signal. 96-early 98 were external slave, late-98 on were an internal slave. You CAN use the late trans and internal slave with a single-mass flywheel, even though they originally came on dual-mass equipped cars.

There is also a difference in flywheels, with the split in either 95 or 96 (don't remember). There's a different style of tone ring, so plan accordingly. Either the wiring on the car can be swapped over (switching 2 pins - pretty simple) or you can spec the correct flywheel from the get-go and be done already.
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Old 10-24-2009, 02:58 PM   #10
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Why not go for an L and save a few hundred?
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Old 10-26-2009, 03:38 PM   #11
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I bought the H because I like the idea of a lower gear ratio. The trans I got has 150k on it an it's the early model (external slave). I got everything from center console/shifter to pedal box to new clutch and other parts new for $1100.00
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I'm running the Euro 850R clutch with the short shift kit and brass bushings on my S70 T5. Shifter is super nice and tight now. And I've never felt that clutch slip.
Do you know the part # for the R clutch? Where did you go to buy your short shift kit?
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:44 AM   #13
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Do you know the part # for the R clutch? Where did you go to buy your short shift kit?
sconeman on VS for the short shift plate, or he has a website setup for it.

http://www.shortshiftkit.com/

You can contact Jamie Putnam at Darrell Waltrip volvo for the R clutch, think it was less than $200.

Another mod for the shifter to help clean up the slop is to remove the bushings from the shift cable bracket. Here is the vs thread with pic

http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index...n-m56-solution
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:14 PM   #14
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Righteous! I have a new clutch. I'll try to get ahold of Jamie for the R clutch. If I can get one I'll just take the other one back to the dealer.

Thanks for the help!
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The input shaft doesn't actually reach the crank, nor the pilot bushing. Weird huh?
Yeah...but the dealership won't tell you that and has no problem selling you one!
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Depends on the dealer. Mine told me so.
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:11 AM   #17
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Also a few parts you want to change while you're in there that I didn't see you mention are your rear main seal and tranny shaft seals. They're cheap and worth swapping while it's all apart.
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The short shift stuff and de-bushifying everything is not for everyone. I for one think that unless all the rubber bushings are in place, these shifters feel like crap. Very notchy with a ton of feedback... Even my 100% stock shifter setup now with the brass bushings at the transmission connections feels like crap to me. I'd rather have something that will shift fluidly than something that gives a ton of feedback.

Have seen it on a couple of other 850s too, I just don't like it. To each their own!
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The input shaft doesn't actually reach the crank, nor the pilot bushing. Weird huh?
fairly common these days actually. the evo doesn't either, and I hear tell a lot of hondas and other fwd-ish stuff doesn't either. not sure about subarus.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:49 PM   #20
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Also a few parts you want to change while you're in there that I didn't see you mention are your rear main seal and tranny shaft seals. They're cheap and worth swapping while it's all apart.
Thanks, noted. I would have forgotten.

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The short shift stuff and de-bushifying everything is not for everyone. I for one think that unless all the rubber bushings are in place, these shifters feel like crap. Very notchy with a ton of feedback... Even my 100% stock shifter setup now with the brass bushings at the transmission connections feels like crap to me. I'd rather have something that will shift fluidly than something that gives a ton of feedback.

Have seen it on a couple of other 850s too, I just don't like it. To each their own!
I appreciate the feedback. I'll see, I'm sure there will be some fine tuning involved. I like comfort too.
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:04 AM   #21
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Interesting comments Eric. I installed bronze bushings in her shifter and it does feel a touch notchy. Not bad, but it's there. I don't think I'd wanna go with a short shifter for a DD. It's actually got a pretty nice feel at the stock length for the DD.
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