red740t
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will the VW retainers work with the volvo keepers?
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valve springs
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will the VW retainers work with the volvo keepers?
Yeah, the keepers are the same. I'd recommend something like the SCAT hi-rev keepers though. They actually grip the valve a bit and that helps to reduce the risk of a keeper jumping out.
dl242gt
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Thank you for checking those springs. 
That great information will really help dial in the rev range and lift you want your engine to have. After seeing that info I'm not sure I want to run the beehive springs I bought. The springs would be for use with a V16T cam. I guess it's worth trying since they are installed on the head.
That great information will really help dial in the rev range and lift you want your engine to have. After seeing that info I'm not sure I want to run the beehive springs I bought. The springs would be for use with a V16T cam. I guess it's worth trying since they are installed on the head.
shoestring
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You know I appreciate the facts.
I'll make a shared g-doc for the info, and update it as I measure more springs.
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I was going to add in the KL Racing single and duals that I've installed.. but they are way off from their listed values. I measured the duals at 140lbs installed, and they list them at 100-110...
I do know their retainers are heavy at 24g
I was going to add in the KL Racing single and duals that I've installed.. but they are way off from their listed values. I measured the duals at 140lbs installed, and they list them at 100-110...
I do know their retainers are heavy at 24g
red740t
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I?m going to order a set of Scat springs and retainers. I?ll see if I can measure them at my buddies shop and report back
I added a few more springs, including a set of duals sent in by dl242gt. These appear to be slightly stiffer than the Isky 455-456 that we thought they were.
85245avl
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if the vw springs and keepers work does that mean the scat 37mm type I valves would work too?
Yes/no. They?re a little longer and don?t play well with stock camshaft base circle diameters.
If you go to a reduced base circle cam, they work great
Most of the VW replacement valves are not hard chromed in the stems, so they have to be used with bronze guides or inserts.
shoestring
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Gen III/IV Hemis use the same valve spring keepers as Redblocks. The spring retainers (pn 53021676AB) o.d. at 0.890 and i.d. at 0.640 and weigh 8.9g. They have a -0.060 installed height vs the Ford 6.2 Raptor retainers I use with the Ford 4.6 4v springs, I'm not sure how they relate to stock Volvo retainers as far as installed height. I wonder if they would work properly with the BTR springs, they fit well with Manley 221434 beehives that are an upgrade in seat and rate to the Ford spring mentioned previously.
I mention them because they're CHEAP, 4 clams a piece or something like that. I get employee discount at our CDJR store and paid less than $3 ea.
I mention them because they're CHEAP, 4 clams a piece or something like that. I get employee discount at our CDJR store and paid less than $3 ea.
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That?s some great info, thanks!
I picked up a set (16) of the BTR LS9/LT1 Titanium retainers (SR010-16), these are the same dimensions at the Ferrea E12014, but a fraction of the cost. Now to find some spring seats that will fit the ID of the springs nicely.
Edit: Welp the retainers are for LS keepers, which are ~ 0.5mm larger in diameter than Volvo triple grooves. This results in the keepers hanging out the bottom, not good.
You could use the LS keepers in the middle groove, which is very similar to what Erland does with his race single-groove valve spring kit. The keepers actually grip the valve, and take a lot of the load off the keeper groove.
Edit: Welp the retainers are for LS keepers, which are ~ 0.5mm larger in diameter than Volvo triple grooves. This results in the keepers hanging out the bottom, not good.
You could use the LS keepers in the middle groove, which is very similar to what Erland does with his race single-groove valve spring kit. The keepers actually grip the valve, and take a lot of the load off the keeper groove.
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redblockpowered
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Sounds like someone has been leaking my research.
Lol, just looking through catalogs for years. The PAC springs came down in price a lot (and honestly are available again), which makes them a more viable option.
I was thinking of offering a drop in spring kit with beehives, but the cost to produce the retainers and locators is higher than purchasing them through Summit... sooooooo yeah. I may as well let people know what they can do for cheap-ish (still probably $200-225 for a 8v setup).
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redblockpowered
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Ah, I just ordered a set from the last place I saw them available and had my order canceled yesterday. Just a coincidence then.
Oh no. Now there?s no valve springs available
I think PAC has them in stock btw.
Well maybe custom retainers and locators are going to be the new thing. The locators I ordered from TrickFlow are way too loose of a fit for my liking.