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Old 11-09-2017, 07:07 PM   #1
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Question Need Power Steering Fluid for 1993 240

Ok, puh-leeze be patient ...and tolerant. I'm desperate - fluid level is low ...
1993 VOLVO 240 S/W, non-turbo, A/T
I looked in owner manual for specs on P/S fluid, which says
"Fluid type: ATF."
I've also seen comments to absolutely NOT use P/S fluid.
The ATF specified is "Type F"
O'Reilly's: tried to sell me P/S fluid, then sold me 'O'Reilly's ATF + 4'
full synthetic, marked for Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, Jeep and SOME
Mitsubishis and Hondas.'
Auto Zone: sold me STP ATF, Type F, marked 'for Ford pre-1981.'
Note: I don't have access to VOLVO Brand ATF locally.
Is it SAFE for me to use the STP ATF?? Or do I need to buy another
brand??? If so, what??
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Old 11-09-2017, 07:14 PM   #2
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Yes type F is the old school 'Ford' ATF without friction modifiers, I would use that if possible, but it probably doesn't matter if you use the later Dex - Merc stuff since there's no clutch packs in your PS pump.
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Old 11-09-2017, 07:35 PM   #3
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Once again - big thank you for such a quick reply!
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Old 11-09-2017, 09:53 PM   #4
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Type FA replaced Type F.
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Old 11-10-2017, 01:12 PM   #5
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Any of that **** will work.
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Old 11-10-2017, 01:32 PM   #6
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being a Saginaw pump i used regular dextron/mercron
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Old 11-11-2017, 10:41 PM   #7
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Type F seems to be getting more scarce. My nearby parts store stopped carrying it so now I have to get it from Grainger.
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Old 11-12-2017, 02:13 AM   #8
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I use what goes in my auto trans Mobil 1 ATF
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:21 AM   #9
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Clear power steering fluid is the same as ARC.

The only time not to use ATF or power steer fluid, that I can think of, is on the modern German cars that take hydraulic fluid for power steering. CHF11S. $$.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:53 PM   #10
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I have had a few racks develop leaks with dextron.. a buddy that operated a shop for 30 years has told me more than once not to use dextron but power steering fluid. Did not know a four type F
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:00 PM   #11
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This is a Saginaw pump so just about any fluid will work. I use Ford Mercon V ATF/Power Steering fluid in one car and Mobil 1 ATF in the other. I cannot tell any difference between the two fluids. Both have inline Wix filters in the return line. I do a drain and fill of the pump reservoir every 5k when I change the oil. It's less expensive than changing the steering rack. Ask me how I know. Per David Samuels aka The Wagonmeister: "Clean fluid is the number one concern in a hydraulic system."

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This is a Saginaw pump so just about any fluid will work. I use Ford Mercon V ATF/Power Steering fluid in one car and Mobil 1 ATF in the other. I cannot tell any difference between the two fluids. Both have inline Wix filters in the return line. I do a drain and fill of the pump reservoir every 5k when I change the oil. It's less expensive than changing the steering rack. Ask me how I know. Per David Samuels aka The Wagonmeister: "Clean fluid is the number one concern in a hydraulic system."

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The pumps don't care. You will be blowing out rack seals with power steering fluid. Any regular AC Delco spec ATF will work.
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Old 11-20-2017, 04:25 PM   #13
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The pumps don't care. You will be blowing out rack seals with power steering fluid. Any regular AC Delco spec ATF will work.

Harland, I ran a 1989 740 for 336,000 miles on Valvoline PS fluid in the rack. 5k drain and fills. Never an issue. So I'm not sure where your getting this info.

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Harland, I ran a 1989 740 for 336,000 miles on Valvoline PS fluid in the rack. 5k drain and fills. Never an issue. So I'm not sure where your getting this info.

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Wait, wut?
PS reservoir was drained and filled every 5k when the oil was changed.

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Where did you get the idea that the PS fluid needs to be changed every 5,000 miles?
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Where did you get the idea that the PS fluid needs to be changed every 5,000 miles?
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Harland, I ran a 1989 740 for 336,000 miles on Valvoline PS fluid in the rack. 5k drain and fills. Never an issue. So I'm not sure where your getting this info.

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http://pdfstream.manualsonline.com/d...d304e0c218.pdf

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Your Valvoline experience is one data point contradicting hundreds of others using a multitude of different PS fluid compounds. That's great that yours works. In general, for cars that aren't a 1989 Volvo 740 that has Valvoline flushed every 5000 miles, PS fluid is not a good idea.

Moreover, if you do the math, 1 qt of fluid every 5000 miles over 335+ thousand miles equates $335 in today's money. Figure that every fluid flush takes 45 minutes, that means that over the life of the vehicle, you spent $335 in fluid, plus 50 hours of your time doing flushes. Dunno about you, but I'd rather get a quality rebuilt Jorgen Automotive rack for about $250, and spend 2 hours installing that. I would have worked 48 less hours and spent $80 less.

Either way, your argument loses.

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Old 11-20-2017, 06:04 PM   #19
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This is a Saginaw pump so just about any fluid will work. I use Ford Mercon V ATF/Power Steering fluid in one car and Mobil 1 ATF in the other. I cannot tell any difference between the two fluids. Both have inline Wix filters in the return line. I do a drain and fill of the pump reservoir every 5k when I change the oil. It's less expensive than changing the steering rack. Ask me how I know. Per David Samuels aka The Wagonmeister: "Clean fluid is the number one concern in a hydraulic system."

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What is the part number of the wix filter?
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[QUOTE=Harlard;5708813]Who's Harland?

http://pdfstream.manualsonline.com/d...d304e0c218.pdf

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Your Valvoline experience is one data point contradicting hundreds of others using a multitude of different PS fluid compounds. That's great that yours works. In general, for cars that aren't a 1989 Volvo 740 that has Valvoline flushed every 5000 miles, PS fluid is not a good idea.

Moreover, if you do the math, 1 qt of fluid every 5000 miles over 335+ thousand miles equates $335 in today's money. Figure that every fluid flush takes 45 minutes, that means that over the life of the vehicle, you spent $335 in fluid, plus 50 hours of your time doing flushes. Dunno about you, but I'd rather get a quality rebuilt Jorgen Automotive rack for about $250, and spend 2 hours installing that. I would have worked 48 less hours and spent $80 less.

Either way, your argument loses.[/QUOTE

Harlard,

Your point is well taken. I use PS fluid now on my 93 240 Classics. I can't install a Jorgensen rack on my own so I'll have to pay someone else. Which is why I drain and fill at each oil change. The Mityvac sucks the fluid out in about 20 seconds, the fill takes a bit longer. The fill is usually 1/2 quart or $2.50. I do this while the oil is draining. There's really no wasted time.

Thats just my experience which I realize is one data point. I have never seen the 940 manual which I appreciate you attaching.

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What is the part number of the wix filter?
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