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Old 04-10-2014, 12:08 PM   #176
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Thanks fella's!

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just out of curiosity how heavy is that shell by itself?
Honestly I'm not sure but it's surprisingly light. I'd say no more than 1000lbs probably.
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:41 PM   #177
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This is awesome; it's great to see someone starting completely from scratch with a 240 and treating it right. It will look amazing in that Fiat minty pistachio gelato color.

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Honestly I'm not sure but it's surprisingly light. I'd say no more than 1000lbs probably.
A fully-laden stock 242 (mine) weighs ~2800 lbs wet, so I'm sure your bare shell is less than 1000. Maybe in the neighborhood of 500.
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:45 PM   #178
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This is awesome; it's great to see someone starting completely from scratch with a 240 and treating it right. It will look amazing in that Fiat minty pistachio gelato color.
Thanks!! I've been wanting to do one like this for so long and now that it's 100% clean I don't know how I managed not to all these years.

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A fully-laden stock 242 (mine) weighs ~2800 lbs wet, so I'm sure your bare shell is less than 1000. Maybe in the neighborhood of 500.
Honestly, that's what it feels like to me but then again I'm bad at guessing weight and according to Theresa... length....

If I can be at about 3200 lbs loaded with this car I'd be thrilled. I think my 242 came in at 2750 but that was pretty gutted. This one will be a bit more creature comfort loaded. I know the T5 and Redblock are about a draw. T5, GTX3076R, T5 trans with 3.91's should scoot along just fine.
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Old 04-10-2014, 02:04 PM   #179
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Honestly I'd look at a different GTX30R - the 3076 has some inherent disadvantages because of the size difference between the turbine and compressor. What are your power goals for the T5? I did a match simulation for Homer and found that a GTX2867R or GTX3067R would be well matched for one of these engines at anything south of about 450 flywheel hp. That's for pump gas and a fairly stock 2.3L making peak power at 6krpm. If you're looking for ~500 hp at the flywheel, I'd look at a GTX3071R.

If you need the airflow provided by the 76mm GTX compressor wheel, the 35 turbine is a much better match and makes for an overall more efficient system.
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Old 04-10-2014, 02:37 PM   #180
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Oh please, like you know anything about turbo's...lol

When are we to see YOUR baby hauler build Chris?
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Old 04-10-2014, 06:16 PM   #181
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Honestly I'd look at a different GTX30R - the 3076 has some inherent disadvantages because of the size difference between the turbine and compressor. What are your power goals for the T5? I did a match simulation for Homer and found that a GTX2867R or GTX3067R would be well matched for one of these engines at anything south of about 450 flywheel hp. That's for pump gas and a fairly stock 2.3L making peak power at 6krpm. If you're looking for ~500 hp at the flywheel, I'd look at a GTX3071R.

If you need the airflow provided by the 76mm GTX compressor wheel, the 35 turbine is a much better match and makes for an overall more efficient system.
Makes sense to me. I wonder why ATP doesn't list the 3067. I was very happy with the 3071r on the old t5r. This one should wind up to about 8k and I'd like a bit more omph... But maybe the gtx3071r with an 82 exhaust side will be plenty.

I've never driven a gt35 that didn't feel a bit doggy in daily use but maybe the gtx would cure that. Honestly I should just stick with what I know I liked lol
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Old 04-10-2014, 11:58 PM   #182
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All home and looking great



So good Max had to come inspect.



I think I might play hookie tomorrow for a few hours and get some work done. :D
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Old 04-11-2014, 12:07 AM   #183
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Makes sense to me. I wonder why ATP doesn't list the 3067. I was very happy with the 3071r on the old t5r. This one should wind up to about 8k and I'd like a bit more omph... But maybe the gtx3071r with an 82 exhaust side will be plenty.

I've never driven a gt35 that didn't feel a bit doggy in daily use but maybe the gtx would cure that. Honestly I should just stick with what I know I liked lol
I did the design work on the 67mm GTX compressor stage so I'm a bit biased towards that one...but to be fair, the GTX 67mm compressor flows about the same as the old 71mm BCI-18 design in the GT3071R, but with higher efficiency and much higher pressure ratio capability.

The GTX3576R only gives up a tiny bit of response vs. the GTX3076R and is miles more responsive than the old GT3582R (there was no commonly used non-X 3576).

I think you're on the right track with the GTX3071R / 0.82 A/R idea!
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Old 04-11-2014, 01:47 AM   #184
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I did the design work on the 67mm GTX compressor stage so I'm a bit biased towards that one...but to be fair, the GTX 67mm compressor flows about the same as the old 71mm BCI-18 design in the GT3071R, but with higher efficiency and much higher pressure ratio capability.

The GTX3576R only gives up a tiny bit of response vs. the GTX3076R and is miles more responsive than the old GT3582R (there was no commonly used non-X 3576).
Hmm

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I think you're on the right track with the GTX3071R / 0.82 A/R idea!
And now I feel like I'm not! LOL

Hmmm.

edit: ATP DOES have the GTX3067 listed with the 28 styler smaller compressor housing. Perfect. Thank god cause I still have my good account there :D

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Old 04-11-2014, 03:32 PM   #185
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Played hookie today (well... I'm the boss and sole employee so it's not really hookie I guess) to weld up all the extra holes in the engine bay.



First time doing any sort of thing like this but got the hang pretty quick.


Then rattle primed them for now. They'll require a bit more dressing for paint but good enough for now.

Then put the rack and cross member back on. (Yes- I did miss grinding one weld lol)

SO with a little luck Mueller is bringing me a finished T5 transmission adapter at KauerPalooza in two weeks. If everything works out, I think I have everything to physically put the motor in the car now. :D

Well that's it, I'm taking a much needed few days out of town starting tomorrow. :D
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Old 04-12-2014, 02:59 PM   #186
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Oh please, like you know anything about turbo's...lol

When are we to see YOUR baby hauler build Chris?
Haha, right! The beige 242 is in the suspension disassembly phase, and I'm continuing to source parts for the suspension and engine swap. I'll post an update as soon as I make some real progress...the 242 is no wagon but it should haul the one baby and dog just fine in the commodious back seat.

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edit: ATP DOES have the GTX3067 listed with the 28 styler smaller compressor housing. Perfect. Thank god cause I still have my good account there :D
Doug, I couldn't say for sure whether the 67 or 71mm would be best without doing the math. If you can PM me with more engine details and a power goal, I'll do a turbo match and give you my recommendations. The engine bay is looking mighty fine btw.
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Old 04-12-2014, 04:25 PM   #187
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I totally will when I get to a computer. Basically a 2.3l with a red line of 7600 and 400whp as a goal.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:56 PM   #188
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Nice work Doug,

Its been a while since I've been on, and glad I stumbled across this pretty quickly ;)
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Old 04-15-2014, 01:34 PM   #189
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I didnt go through the whole thread but what if the Cali tells you to bring it in to be sure its still a Diesel, they do that sometimes...thats a great shell though. THere are still clean ones out there...the one I turned into a truck was a rust free, and I mean rust free, clean, straight shell. One little spot byt eh rear door had a little bit of bondo and that was it, I coudlnt believe what a good car it was, turned truck haha. Still see it around LA too.

Keeping the A/C I hope too? Saw you welded up the holes in the panels, but id do the same also, I did in my 242, was gonna run the A/C lines in the fender. Megasquirt? Or a stock tuned box?

I like where this is going, keep it simple and drive it, just promise you wont put 600lb springs in it with rubber band tires so its ruined

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Old 04-15-2014, 02:02 PM   #190
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As always, nice stuff Doug. Glad to see you messing with a RWD car again.
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Nice work Doug,

Its been a while since I've been on, and glad I stumbled across this pretty quickly ;)
Thank YOU! Wouldn't have happened with out your help!

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Keeping the A/C I hope too? Saw you welded up the holes in the panels, but id do the same also, I did in my 242, was gonna run the A/C lines in the fender. Megasquirt? Or a stock tuned box?

I like where this is going, keep it simple and drive it, just promise you wont put 600lb springs in it with rubber band tires so its ruined

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Mark that's exactly the plan. Run the lines through the wheel wells (at least condenser to evaporator, from evap back to compressor I may run though the ds firewall ).

Was thinking running m4.3 but have been leaning towards VEMS. We will see. No aggressive spring rates for this guy, I want something that is comfortable to drive.
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VEMS now instead of 4.3 huh? Good news, just be sure you have the 'sunrise blvd' tune. lol
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VEMS now instead of 4.3 huh? Good news, just be sure you have the 'sunrise blvd' tune. lol
You know a month from now I'll be back in m4.3 lol
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Ahhh, for some reason I find this photo so inspirational, keep it up!

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And by the time it's running you'll be on MS4xPro right? lol
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And by the time it's running you'll be on MS4xPro right? lol
Hell by the time it runs they'll have invented quantum computers or something.
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Old 04-22-2014, 02:17 AM   #197
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That shell looks great....I've always liked the bodies in white, like a real race car shell as delivered from the factory!
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:12 AM   #198
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Look at that fancy pants!! Took my 2d and made it something that Alex makes fun of me for not knowing how to do!

Looks great! Man I need to get solid works and learn.
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Old 04-27-2014, 02:41 PM   #199
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Lookin' good!
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I'm digging it.Glad to see progress. Decided not to
Sell my 242. How was the Doug o polooza this weekend?
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