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Old 11-18-2009, 03:38 PM   #1
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I found a 530i I might be able to pick up and was wondering which one(s) are best. Thanks.
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Old 11-18-2009, 03:54 PM   #2
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The ones with the removable bellhousing. Getrag 265. Some 533 and 733, some 528e, E30 M3.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:00 PM   #3
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Close ratio 'dog-leg' box is the 265/5, overdrive box is the 265/6.

In the UK both boxes are most commonly found in the e28 5 series and e24 6 series, but I'm not sure if US cars had the option of the 'dog-leg'?

In cars built after September '85 the 'overdrive' 265/6 was replaced by the integral bellhousing 260.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:32 PM   #4
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If in the US, look for the 81-85 5,6,7 series cars. The getrag you want has a removable bell housing and 3 distinct pieces to the body of the transmission. If you do not see the 4 nuts that attach at the bell housing, it probably will not work. Dog leg and special getrags are very rare in the US. If you have to have one of the special getrags, you most likely need to contact a BMW dismantler.




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Old 11-18-2009, 06:16 PM   #5
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Where do you find the number on the trans? Thanks.
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:17 PM   #6
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I have a dog leg in my car... my non Volvo. It is awesome... I laugh every time I let someone else drive it and they try to put it into reverse at a stop light


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Old 11-19-2009, 06:27 AM   #7
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fast242 has given you all the information you need:
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The getrag you want has a removable bell housing and 3 distinct pieces to the body of the transmission. If you do not see the 4 nuts that attach at the bell housing, it probably will not work.
The 265 uses the same main case as the 4 speed 262 and thus is marked '262' just to confuse matters.
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Old 11-19-2009, 08:34 AM   #8
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I found a 530i I might be able to pick up and was wondering which one(s) are best. Thanks.
what year 530i? that's probably a v8 car, not even close to what you need.
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Old 11-19-2009, 12:44 PM   #9
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As far as a dog leg getrag in the US, look for a 633CSI two door bimmer. I think the 79 has the dog leg but could be other years to for the 633. The getrag I'm running I got out of a 86 733 bimmer. All the 5 series bimmers with getrags I've seen do not have the removable bellhousing.
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I found an e28 M5 in the yard and It had a trans you could have used, I think I might actually grab it. For starters I have a 530i and I had my face against that transmission for a couple hours and it does not have a removable bell housing, So scratch that idea.
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:21 PM   #11
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There's a 7 series for sale here for cheap ($600) that has the manual. The car drives right now so if anyone is interested in the trans PM me. I am interested in parting it out.
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Old 11-19-2009, 02:26 PM   #12
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what year 530i? that's probably a v8 car, not even close to what you need.
BMW made a 3 litre V8 for use in 5 series cars?
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I found an e28 M5 in the yard and It had a trans you could have used, I think I might actually grab it. For starters I have a 530i and I had my face against that transmission for a couple hours and it does not have a removable bell housing, So scratch that idea.
holy ****, was the motor there? that's an s38 if it's a real m5. DO WANT.

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BMW made a 3 litre V8 for use in 5 series cars?
yes, i sadly had to blow one up for that dumb cash/clunkers program.

oh and while i'm here, by dogleg you all mean the one with 1st down low and 5-speed with 5th being 1:1? what's the other, 4-speed no o/d? did any of them have o/d gear with removable bellhousing?
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Old 11-19-2009, 03:37 PM   #14
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My 6 series has the trans in question. it is a 633csi but it was a grey market german car. Just a data point.

How much is the trans worth, i plan on swapping the motor/trans in the future.
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Old 11-19-2009, 03:56 PM   #15
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^^^ the dogleg 5-spd? with 5th being 1:1 and 1st gear is down below reverse? that box can go for $1000-$1500. pretty sure that was europe only, you probably have the 4-spd getrag 262 no?

here's a good info ID source for these transmissions..
http://www.metricmechanic.com/catalo...tion-chart.php
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^^^ the dogleg 5-spd? with 5th being 1:1 and 1st gear is down below reverse? that box can go for $1000-$1500. pretty sure that was europe only, you probably have the 4-spd getrag 262 no?

here's a good info ID source for these transmissions..
http://www.metricmechanic.com/catalo...tion-chart.php
Its a 5 speed and im pretty sure its a dog leg but im not 100% sure, engine was rebuilt because "it was old" by the previous owner and then he could not get it to start(im guessing just a wiring issue). He also said that it has some special close ratio trans.

Its a 79 euro 633csi so i think it has the one everyone wants. Everything in the interior is German, kinda cool!
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Old 11-19-2009, 05:50 PM   #17
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^^^ the dogleg 5-spd? with 5th being 1:1 and 1st gear is down below reverse? that box can go for $1000-$1500. pretty sure that was europe only, you probably have the 4-spd getrag 262 no?

here's a good info ID source for these transmissions..
http://www.metricmechanic.com/catalo...tion-chart.php
I saw at least one of those doglegs at pull-a-part and let it go.
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Its a 79 euro 633csi so i think it has the one everyone wants. Everything in the interior is German, kinda cool!
may very well be, dog leg shifter looks like this.

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BMW made a 3 litre V8 for use in 5 series cars?
yep, the last few years of the e34 530i , it can be distinguished from the earlier il6 cars by the use of wider kidney grilles.
There was also a e34 540i-V8 which was a lot less frantic but alsmost as fast as the M5 S38 il6.
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holy ****, was the motor there? that's an s38 if it's a real m5. DO WANT.
Yes... But someone stole the intake! ITBs... The S38 was still there, my guess would be that the motor was maybe blown??. If It was the summer I would have grabbed it. This was the same day I found a complete stainless steel performance exhaust for my 530 and the yard only changed me 40$ haha and it was already disconnected. It was really sad to see this car there. But basically all of the things that make it an M5 have been taken. I would love a 240 with an S38 in it. Alpha-N MS it!



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I have seen some 262 four speed getrags with the removable bellhousing in big beamers also. You can tell they are the four speeds and not the 5 speeds because there is only two sections to the tranny part. The five speed getrags have three sections to the tranny part and are longer because of it. Also the 5 speed I'm running is the 5th gear overdrive one. I haven't found any dog legs at any yards yet. We did see a guy at one of the recent OVT meetings at the Old market and pub who was driving a 633csi with a dog leg five speed. Looks exactly the same on the outside as the overdrive version, but they say the middle part of the three parts of the tranny will be a courser finish. Also the shift patter is different. Three up and three down for the dog leg, Four gears up and two gears down for the overdrive 5 speed. As far as what ones have the dog leg in usa, 79 633csi for sure, other year CSI's usually have overdrive getrag unless grey market perhaps.
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Yes... But someone stole the intake! ITBs... The S38 was still there, my guess would be that the motor was maybe blown??. If It was the summer I would have grabbed it. This was the same day I found a complete stainless steel performance exhaust for my 530 and the yard only changed me 40$ haha and it was already disconnected. It was really sad to see this car there. But basically all of the things that make it an M5 have been taken. I would love a 240 with an S38 in it. Alpha-N MS it!



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Since you're in Canuckistan, the engine probably is fine, unless someone was stupid and ran it out of oil on the highway or something like that. Only cars in the states went through the CFC program.

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Old 11-20-2009, 09:14 AM   #23
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I found an e28 M5 in the yard and It had a trans you could have used, I think I might actually grab it.
The e28 M5 uses a Getrag 280 box, it does not have a detachable bellhousing.

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...by dogleg you all mean the one with 1st down low and 5-speed with 5th being 1:1? what's the other, 4-speed no o/d? did any of them have o/d gear with removable bellhousing?
The 262 is 4 speed. There are 2 265s, both with removable bellhousings.

The 265/5 close ratio with the 'dog-leg' shift pattern,
ratios are - 3.72, 2.40, 1.77, 1.26, 1.00.

The 265/6 is the 'overdrive' box with the normal H shift pattern,
ratios are - 3.82, 2.20, 1.39, 1.00, 0.81.

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...someone stole the intake! ITBs... The S38 was still there, my guess would be that the motor was maybe blown??.
Even a blown S38 would be worth having for parts.
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Old 11-24-2009, 05:37 PM   #24
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The most common car (in the US) with a 265 tranny is a 1985 535i.
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BMW made a 3 litre V8 for use in 5 series cars?
The 3 liter V8 sucked though... they only made it for like one year before they went to the 540... its the same basic motor platform though, just lower displacement.

My getrag is from an 88 e30 M3.
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