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Old 08-09-2018, 08:47 AM   #1
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I have a T5 that I can swap for but before I get in over my head. What would total cost of doing the swap. Gonna do it if I can keep that cost down. My car is a NA and plan to keep it that way. Running a M47 at the moment. Its starting to make some noise. With m47s getting hard to find, Im seriously thinking the T5.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:49 AM   #2
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I had well over $1500 in it by the time mine was running. Porbably closer to the $2k mark honestly. Although I'm sure you can get it done cheaper if you're patient and know what you're doing.
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:04 AM   #3
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If possible find someone with a T5 swap and take a drive in their car to make sure your have accurate expectations of the end result regarding noise, gearing, etc. IMO the car will lose some refinement with the T5.

I tried to do the swap as low cost as I could and I still ended up at $1200-$1500 with clutch and driveshaft iterations.
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:10 AM   #4
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Same experience here - about $1500. Usually, you're going to a T5 because you're making more power than the Volvo trans can handle, so you don't just need a clutch disc, you need a better PP as well. I got a custom 1-pc driveshaft made for mine, but it wasn't bad (under $300? I forget). The trans itself was a CL 'home rebuilt' thing for $400. What did they replace? Who knows, I think it was syncros and a bearing or two. The stock shifters are pretty crappy, especially when they've already got 100K worth of shifting on them, you'll 'likely' want a better shifter. I tried a cheap Chinese knockoff shifter first, money not well spent because it got sloppy/floppy fairly quickly, then I bought a Steeda Tri-Ax that was great for years and years.

You could probably push that number close to $1K (trans included) if you really tried.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:10 AM   #5
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Here's a cost breakdown:
1. Trans (pulled from a yard vs used online vs new): $300-1800
2. Clutch (just a disc to a full blown yoshifab setup): $100-$1000
3. Driveshaft: $200 to have the stocker modified. $500 for a rebuild with new support and u joints
4. Shifter boot and knob: ~$75
5. Adapter plate: $300
6. Reverse light harness: $20
7. Trans fluid: $20-$80 for royal purple or redline synthetic ATF, which is HIGHLY recommended

So for a basic setup:
Bare minimum: $1000
Decent quality parts off the shelf, no rebuild jobs on your own: $3800

You can learn to refresh your trans on your own without much trouble. This can be done for $300ish for a basic kit. An aftermarket shifter and brass bushing and fork pads is also highly recommended. Things get more expensive if you have chewed up gears and synchro teeth.

On the extras:
Aftermarket shifter...as mentioned above it'shard to go wrong with the triax. I am using the Summit Racing knockoff with no issues: $150-$500
Adapter speedo cable from yoshifab: $110

Hydraulic clutch setup:
$75 masyer cylinder
$75 slave cylinder
$? For an STS pedal
$40 for line and fittings
$50 for a fork from the dealer
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Old 08-09-2018, 11:16 AM   #6
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Looks like if I have the T5, Im looking at least a 1000 bucks. Im running a good NA redblock so not a power house. Just tired of the M47s, took me 4 trannys to find a good one 2 yrs ago. I hit pick n pulls quite a bit, never have seen a manual yet. In fact 240 are getting hard to find in the yards. My Ill start buying parts a little at a time.
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Old 08-09-2018, 11:46 AM   #7
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If you stick with non-turbo with a 3.31 rear end like a stock 240, a 4-cyl box with a stock nonturbo ford disc will be the trick. Make sure you have a flat flywheel and 8.5" pressure plate. A good shifter is still a good idea to keep you from breaking syncros and shift forks.
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:37 PM   #8
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Get an m90
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:58 PM   #9
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I would never do a T5 in an NA car. It's not a very refined transmission, as others have said.
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:07 PM   #10
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Ive had a few mustangs down thru the yrs. Yes, not the smoothest tranny. But better than a M47. A good m47 will cost you a 1000 buck now a days. You can find them cheaper but the shape is questionable. Finding a M90 is not easy. Hey Im open to suggestions.
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:10 PM   #11
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There’s like 2 guys here who sell the m90 kit form something like 1200 shipped
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:14 PM   #12
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is the m90 a plug and play? Or require alot of mods?
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:17 PM   #13
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Kit is plug and play from what I understand on a 7/9
On a 240 will require modifying the x member iirc
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:27 PM   #14
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Why not an M46? Supposed to be a little stronger. You can also use 740 transmissions, just swap the shifter out for the 240 one.
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:36 PM   #15
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Id given the M46 some thought. They are hard to find and seems like going backwards the whole push button OD seems like more stuff to mess up. Finding one in excellent shape or rebuilt will cost over a grand. You have to cut driveshaft down, add some wiring with relays. Maybe a cross member.
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:20 PM   #16
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The evidence that an M46 is stronger is fairly anecdotal. FWIW, they really do have the same internal parts for gears 1 - 4 (at least where it matters, obviously the rear part of the output shaft is far different), which just leaves the case as the difference, cast iron on the M46 and aluminum on the M47. Is it possible that the case lets the shafts and gears deflect away from each other under power? Possibly. But I'd wager that there's very little difference between the two. Far more variability in the wear and tear they have - wear in the bearings directly lets the gears push apart further, which weakens them.
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:45 PM   #17
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Who are the board members importing M90s? Euro recyclers are quoting $1200 shipped for M90L2s with 170k miles on them, with shifter.

M47s can really be crapshoots, of the 3 that I've had in my possession, 2 had bad countershaft bearings (whining in all gears but 4th). I'm hesitant now to buy them bare, I prefer ye olde test drive, pull trans, crush routine...
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Old 08-09-2018, 05:02 PM   #18
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That seems to be what everyone says. IDK I only have M46's lying around. I did think better of putting a 400k mile trans into my 92 745 turbo from the parts donor. Instead it's getting the leftover m46 from my sedan after it gets swapped for a T5. I kinda like the push button overdrive, nice to just press a button for a shift. Usually I can just keep my foot on the floor with the n/a and press the button for full throttle shift. I'm sure I can't continue that with the turbo car but my gf is more gentle on the cars than me.
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here a thought, it is possible to source off the shelf bearings for the M47? Some new bearings and if you have several dead transmissions around might be able to assemble a good one from salvaged good parts?

M90's are ok, for what they are. Same issue as an M46/M47. No parts available, would likely never die in an n/a car tho. Didn't come in 240 so lots of adapting as well.
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Old 08-09-2018, 05:25 PM   #20
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I'm getting parts together to swap my grey car right now. I'm like eh 1500 into it so far but I did get the fancy Yoshifab clutch and flywheel kit. I'll probably end up buying a new ford racing t5 from summit unless I find a deal on one off corral.net or something.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:06 PM   #21
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:46 PM   #22
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Another good swap to consider is the BMW getrag. Probably careful shopping you could do it for about the same price and have a more refined trans that is also quite strong.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:49 PM   #23
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I used the kaplhenke adapter with the machined bell housing I think was around $400
The clutch kit was $380 from South bend
Modified M47 front half drive shaft was $125.
300zx turbo T5 off of CL was $100.
Ford input shaft was $90
Miscellaneous stuff like peel off shim for the input shaft ~$35
300zx trans mount from Rock Auto was ~$60
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:16 AM   #24
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here a thought, it is possible to source off the shelf bearings for the M47? Some new bearings and if you have several dead transmissions around might be able to assemble a good one from salvaged good parts?

M90's are ok, for what they are. Same issue as an M46/M47. No parts available, would likely never die in an n/a car tho. Didn't come in 240 so lots of adapting as well.
I had 2 and tried to piece together 1. I bought all the bearings i could find. Made some of the special tools. I have had experience rebuilding ford toploaders back in the day. I had a retired friend that rebuilt manual trans. for a living. We had a copy of greenbook for m47. All went fine until one day it start making noise. Few miles later it went crunch. I had to limp home in 4th. Almost all the gear lost their teeth. My guess is you cant use diiferent gear together out of different boxes or their was some cracked teeth and they broke? But not going to do it again.
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I've had third gear split apart and come off the shaft in a M46. Then third became neutral. All the other gears including overdrive still worked. lol I would like to try rebuilding an M47 or M46. I have a few around to work on.
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