John Lane's Fire Breathing Monster info & pics - Page 9

Hank Scorpio · 03-03-2003, 10:53 PM

I gotta say, I imagined worse! The rollcage really kept the over all shape of the car!

Doug

Tuff240 · 03-03-2003, 11:37 PM

Does this mean I win the bet for who could run the fastest lap at Thunderhill by default? That's alright, I knew I'd beet you anyways

.

Glad to hear you walked away yet again.
Patrick D.

WeezilUSA · 03-04-2003, 12:45 AM

Rally is awesome, and I was amazed by the firebreathing monster :eek: :D

volvorsport · 03-04-2003, 07:40 AM

Good to see your in one piece john ,

Makes me want to go and do the rally thing again !!

About the shocks , my friend started running proflex suspension on his darrian after using LEDA , the difference was night and day and only £500 a corner , an engineer will usually come on the first test session to help with set up .

Ive found , you cannot budget for dampers , the more expensive they are , the better quality they are aswell , this relates to how you feel with the car. When running the race car , dynamics suspension allowed us to tune so finely , an extra 100 kgs of weight had no detriment to the way the car felt .(the extra 100 kgs was to get to the weight limit)

MikeHardy · 03-08-2005, 06:23 PM

holy post ressurection batman, just thought i'd bump this for the lots of new guys coming on the board. and to encourge john to pull his finger out and get it sorted again so we can hear more war stories.

olov · 03-08-2005, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravennexus

holy post ressurection batman

nuf said

coldfusion21 · 03-09-2005, 02:20 AM

i can only hope vance's car turns out this well

JohnLane · 03-09-2005, 01:12 PM

Vance's car is the former Karl Yardevall 740 turbo.
It has a 2.3 turbo that is making 300lb/ft at the wheels, a proper 4 speed dogbox, Sellholm suspension goodies, and is otherwise still in need of a LOT of help.
Vance will have a LOT of fun with it.

I'm now needing to get my Volvo back together. Got a taste of it this last weekend.

John.

stylngle2003 · 03-09-2005, 05:51 PM

is that the yellow 744?

JohnLane · 03-09-2005, 06:16 PM

Yup. Also lovingly referred to as "The Schoolbus."

JL.

DaveART · 12-02-2005, 06:53 PM

Mr Lane, can you tell me your 'estimated' power of your engine, normally aspirated (i.e without boost?

coldfusion21 · 12-02-2005, 07:38 PM

no offense, but for a turbo engine that is not exactly what ones after, especially with rally cars.

curious why your after that number?

12-02-2005, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldfusion21

no offense, but for a turbo engine that is not exactly what ones after, especially with rally cars.

curious why your after that number?

..because a 500bhp turbo engine, running only 11 psi, would be around 300bhp in normally aspirated form.

grizlyadams · 12-02-2005, 07:45 PM

the more NA you have...the even more you have boosted...thats waht i always thought
Griz

DaveART · 12-02-2005, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grizlyadams

the more NA you have...the even more you have boosted...thats waht i always thought
Griz

Yes, thats right.

A 250bhp n/a prv V6 is sucking an atmosphere of pressure. Add another atmosphere of boost (14.7psi) and the required fuel and the absolute maximum you 'could' acheive is double the power....but this is never the case as the atmosphere of boost is heated, the exhaust side of the turbo system is more restricted than a normally aspirated system, the engine compression is usually lowered, and the head design cannot simply flow double its previous capability. The more boost, the more pressure drops we have across inlet, plenums, valve area etc...

Rule of thumb is around 18 psi of boost is required to double the bhp output of a normally aspirated engine.

JohnLane · 12-03-2005, 05:34 AM

Holy Thread resurrection Batman!!

I never had the car on the chassis dyno when it was Naturally Aspirated.
As Naturally aspirated with a pair of IDA-3 Webers it was faster then the N/A three liter.
When I gave it Electromotive injection it really woke up in the top end.

It did then get turbocharged which made it a different animal altogether.

The Fire Breathing Monster is currenty taking up space in my sister-in-law's steel building behind her house....... It will soon be making the trip to our new place for some much-needed attention. I am looking forward to remapping for more power, more torque and making the spectators run even further, faster....... You get the idea.

Stay tuned......

John Lane

DaveART · 12-03-2005, 09:50 AM

Are there actually any dyno plots to see of the turbo engine?

JohnLane · 12-03-2005, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveART

Are there actually any dyno plots to see of the turbo engine?

It was misplaced years ago if in fact I ever left with it...... I sure will get another when it gets tuned again. This will likely be this coming spring.

504lb/ft at the wheels at 4000 with 11lbs of boost is the one that was most memorable on the chassis dyno. It has been much more amusing with 15lbs of boost, which was done later but not on the chassis dyno. As the next chapter in the project progresses I will certainly put an effort into keeping track of paperwork. In the past I have not cared enough to do so.

Show of hands.....To all who have ridden in my car.... Any question as to the validity to the power claims? Hee-hee......

JL

JohnLane · 05-10-2007, 02:33 AM

I've got a number of requests for pics and managed to find this old thread in a search.

Here is the rallycar and stories to go along with.

John Lane

thelostartof · 05-10-2007, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnLane

I've got a number of requests for pics and managed to find this old thread in a search.

Here is the rallycar and stories to go along with.

John Lane

i see no pics in this post?

JohnLane · 05-10-2007, 02:38 AM

In one of the very first posts (if not THE first post) you will find a link that will take you to some manner of picture hosting site. Many pics there.

adrianpike · 05-10-2007, 02:46 AM

blast! I came in here hoping to find that it had been resurrected.

Oh well, I'll just have to satisfy my rally jones' with the first few pages.

edit: John, (hell, any of the johns

) why the unequal geometry on the firewall to strut tower tubes off the cage? Is it just the photo, or does the drivers side tube actually have a big 'ol kink in it?

Poik · 05-10-2007, 03:05 AM

I think BDKR needs to see this thread.

Kjets On a Plane · 05-10-2007, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrianpike

blast! I came in here hoping to find that it had been resurrected.

Oh well, I'll just have to satisfy my rally jones' with the first few pages.

edit: John, (hell, any of the johns

) why the unequal geometry on the firewall to strut tower tubes off the cage? Is it just the photo, or does the drivers side tube actually have a big 'ol kink in it?

No, it is a-symmetrical in real life IIRC. It ties into the strut tower slightly differently to make the geometry more or less effectively the same. The bar has to clear the brake servo on one side and the other side sheetmetel baffle thing is where the air-inlet to the turbo goes as a sort of snorkle IIRC.
That car makes me giggle the couple times I've seen it just looking at it.

amargill19? · 05-10-2007, 03:30 AM

Holy crap.

Can't believe I haven't seen this thread before.

Damn, that's insanity, good to hear to walked away from that one (which was what, a few years ago? lol)

This PRV motor is far from perverted. I'm pretty much speechless.

03-03-2003, 10:53 PM	#201
Hank Scorpio Chubfest 2009 Survivor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The neighborhood with the ******* guitar player.	I gotta say, I imagined worse! The rollcage really kept the over all shape of the car! Doug __________________ Hank Scorpio is from the Simpsons. You can call me Doug ;) Will trade guitars/guitar parts for go fast goodies or stuff I need. Just PM. www.kauerguitars.com the second best way to upset neighbors and alienate people. History: Car 1 (242) \| Car 2 (t5r) \| Car 3 (255)

03-03-2003, 11:37 PM	#202
Tuff240 240 Ninja Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central California	Does this mean I win the bet for who could run the fastest lap at Thunderhill by default? That's alright, I knew I'd beet you anyways . Glad to hear you walked away yet again. Patrick D. __________________ -Patrick

03-04-2003, 12:45 AM	#203
WeezilUSA Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver WA	Rally is awesome, and I was amazed by the firebreathing monster :eek: :D __________________ 1983 242 ICSCC GP Race Car

03-04-2003, 07:40 AM	#204
volvorsport Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: lincoln UK	Good to see your in one piece john , Makes me want to go and do the rally thing again !! About the shocks , my friend started running proflex suspension on his darrian after using LEDA , the difference was night and day and only £500 a corner , an engineer will usually come on the first test session to help with set up . Ive found , you cannot budget for dampers , the more expensive they are , the better quality they are aswell , this relates to how you feel with the car. When running the race car , dynamics suspension allowed us to tune so finely , an extra 100 kgs of weight had no detriment to the way the car felt .(the extra 100 kgs was to get to the weight limit) __________________ muhahhahahhhahhaha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-09-2005, 02:20 AM	#207
coldfusion21 NA is so slow... Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oregon, SW Portland-somewhere	i can only hope vance's car turns out this well __________________ novolvo.

03-08-2005, 06:23 PM	#205
MikeHardy The Sirius/Nova Police Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: northern Wales, UK	holy post ressurection batman, just thought i'd bump this for the lots of new guys coming on the board. and to encourge john to pull his finger out and get it sorted again so we can hear more war stories.

03-09-2005, 01:12 PM	#208
JohnLane Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Northern Washington	Vance's car is the former Karl Yardevall 740 turbo. It has a 2.3 turbo that is making 300lb/ft at the wheels, a proper 4 speed dogbox, Sellholm suspension goodies, and is otherwise still in need of a LOT of help. Vance will have a LOT of fun with it. I'm now needing to get my Volvo back together. Got a taste of it this last weekend. John. __________________ Overkill is consistently more fun.

03-09-2005, 05:51 PM	#209
stylngle2003 Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Up, Two Down	is that the yellow 744? __________________ -Billy Volvoless for the first time since 1990... 2002 Toyota Avalon XLS (comfy gradma car) 1996 Chevrolet Tahoe LS 2WD (hauls ass) 1990 Mazda Miata (track toy)

03-09-2005, 06:16 PM	#210
JohnLane Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Northern Washington	Yup. Also lovingly referred to as "The Schoolbus." JL.

12-02-2005, 06:53 PM	#211
DaveART Board Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Underneath her...	Mr Lane, can you tell me your 'estimated' power of your engine, normally aspirated (i.e without boost?

12-02-2005, 07:38 PM	#212
coldfusion21 NA is so slow... Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oregon, SW Portland-somewhere	no offense, but for a turbo engine that is not exactly what ones after, especially with rally cars. curious why your after that number?

12-02-2005, 07:45 PM	#214
grizlyadams ni! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brum, UK	the more NA you have...the even more you have boosted...thats waht i always thought Griz __________________ I AM THE GRIZ!!! (bit like the brummy stig ) 2007 V50 SE - chipped

12-03-2005, 05:34 AM	#216
JohnLane Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Northern Washington	Holy Thread resurrection Batman!! I never had the car on the chassis dyno when it was Naturally Aspirated. As Naturally aspirated with a pair of IDA-3 Webers it was faster then the N/A three liter. When I gave it Electromotive injection it really woke up in the top end. It did then get turbocharged which made it a different animal altogether. The Fire Breathing Monster is currenty taking up space in my sister-in-law's steel building behind her house....... It will soon be making the trip to our new place for some much-needed attention. I am looking forward to remapping for more power, more torque and making the spectators run even further, faster....... You get the idea. Stay tuned...... John Lane

12-03-2005, 09:50 AM	#217
DaveART Board Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Underneath her...	Are there actually any dyno plots to see of the turbo engine?

05-10-2007, 02:33 AM	#219
JohnLane Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Northern Washington	I've got a number of requests for pics and managed to find this old thread in a search. Here is the rallycar and stories to go along with. John Lane

05-10-2007, 02:38 AM	#221
JohnLane Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Northern Washington	In one of the very first posts (if not THE first post) you will find a link that will take you to some manner of picture hosting site. Many pics there.

05-10-2007, 02:46 AM	#222
adrianpike 🔥 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle, WA	blast! I came in here hoping to find that it had been resurrected. Oh well, I'll just have to satisfy my rally jones' with the first few pages. edit: John, (hell, any of the johns ) why the unequal geometry on the firewall to strut tower tubes off the cage? Is it just the photo, or does the drivers side tube actually have a big 'ol kink in it? __________________ I'm looking to buy, PM me if you've got any of it: LS bits, 93 850 bumper, ford 8.8", T5 WC, T56, Mustang IRS Adrian is omniscient, you will never escape his wrath. - 500dollar744ti doug was here

05-10-2007, 03:05 AM	#223
Poik Backwards Turbo Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Göteborg, Sweden	I think BDKR needs to see this thread. __________________ Eric Olsson's 242 Turbo \| 245 DL \| ~~744 Turbo~~

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