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Old 01-09-2014, 04:10 AM   #426
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:23 AM   #427
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yes, because I made that direct correlation between those two things.

not enough people stroking your ego for you, so you needed to do it a little yourself there?

I am not discounting your work or though process at all, but doug making an LS swap sound like the easiest thing in the world is not okay.

I apologize. I just don't find them interesting for the most part, probably because I built firebirds for long. I got into Volvos and their motors simply because you can't just order all the parts from jegs and bolt them on. I enjoy the challenge and certainly this build is more challenging than the average LS/sbc/sbf/whiteblock/16vT swap.

Ok, have we got that out our system yet? I'll prune this thread in a day or so.
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:56 AM   #428
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Any redneck with a stick welder can build a chassis. It takes some high quality engineering to do an engine swap such as an LS1.
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:59 AM   #429
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Any redneck with a stick welder can build a chassis. It takes some high quality engineering to do an engine swap such as an LS1.


I want to read about a racecar, not the downies talking about LSx superiority.
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Old 01-09-2014, 01:36 PM   #431
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Jeez, what did I start?

For the record, I consider myself friends of the Buchka's (I still owe them favors for carrying an axle in their lap on a plane ) so I had to bust their balls a little and most everyone knows how die-hard redblock and 240 I am.

I do still stand by my half serious thought of this car losing some of it's 240 soul, but it may have lost that a long time ago when it was decided to become an engineering test bed for these 2 crazy fukkers.

Since you 2 are having so much fun, why not work on some aero improvements also? Real chassis aero? How about a blown diffuser?
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Old 01-09-2014, 01:55 PM   #432
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Old 01-09-2014, 02:10 PM   #433
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Jeez, what did I start?
Dammit Tuff240!

Oh and this build is B-A-N-A-N-A-S.
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Old 01-09-2014, 03:40 PM   #434
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Any redneck with a stick welder can build a chassis. It takes some high quality engineering to do an engine swap such as an LS1.
Sure, anybody can 'build' a chassis. The whole point in doing this in the majority of cases though is to make something that works better for its intended purpose than the original could, and this is usually closely tied with the new suspension design. The suspension pivot points etc are crucial to its success and must be arranged on the new chassis from thev outset.

You do not simply throw together a tubular chassis, chuck some knocked-up suspension parts at it and expect it to work, a huge amount of design input is required even before the first tube is cut.

So yes, anyone can build a chassis, but building one that works really well is certainly not childs play.

An engine/ drivetrain transplant might at times take a fair bit of thought to get around the odd installation problem , but overcoming these hurdles is all part of the fun. I've lost count of the number of major engine transplants I've carried out over the years (usually big cube motors into very small cars), but none have come anywhere near to the complexity of the suspension redesigns on a couple of chassis I've built.

For anyone to even question this, or compare it to a drivetrain transplant, to me just highlights the fact that they aren't fully aware of exactly what is involved in designing a proper race car suspension system from scratch.
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Old 01-09-2014, 03:45 PM   #435
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And on topic; This car is insane. I really like this and can only dream of making something like this happen.
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Assembled the starter and mounted it to the bellhousing with the correct lash:

AH, so the starter motor is being mounted behind the block, I did wonder what the square section on the new belhousing was for. That will give loads of room for exhaust manifolding at therear of the block. Are you going to have a removable access panel or box above the transmission tunnel then?

Just one thing, which may sound stupid, and I've probably missed some of the fine detail on the parts being used, but are you using a starter motor from another engine with a different direction of rotation, or have you been able to reverse the motors polarity in some way or something?

Surely otherwise a stock Volvo V8 starter motor would be trying to turn the engine over in the wrong direction?
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I apologize. I just don't find them interesting for the most part, probably because I built firebirds for long. I got into Volvos and their motors simply because you can't just order all the parts from jegs and bolt them on.
Your right. You can't order the parts from jegs. Instead its rsi, sam,selhol sten parner ect. I think the 16vt swap is much easier than an ls swap having done both. Its easy to make an opinion for somthing you never have done first hand.
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I want to read about a racecar, not the downies talking about LSx superiority.
nothing was said about lsx superiority. reading comprehension, people.

furthermore, I would compare this as a "volvo build" to a NASCAR/stock car(which I have worlds of respect for, they do amazing things with more/less simple setups). Yes, they look somewhat like the cars they are supposed to be, but almost nothing is shared with the production vehicle.
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Surely otherwise a stock Volvo V8 starter motor would be trying to turn the engine over in the wrong direction?
That is the orientation of the starter in the car that engine came out of.

I wish people would shut up with the whole there isn't enough volvo left to call this a volvo thing. If you've got a problem with this build just stay in the thread for the red block powered 242 that the Buchkas are building simultaneously.
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I apologize. I just don't find them interesting for the most part, probably because I built firebirds for long. I got into Volvos and their motors simply because you can't just order all the parts from jegs and bolt them on.
Eventually all the cars at carshows will just be different bodies with chevy small blocks and mustang II suspension.


That is my idea of the 9th circle of hell.
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AH, so the starter motor is being mounted behind the block, I did wonder what the square section on the new belhousing was for. That will give loads of room for exhaust manifolding at therear of the block. Are you going to have a removable access panel or box above the transmission tunnel then?

Just one thing, which may sound stupid, and I've probably missed some of the fine detail on the parts being used, but are you using a starter motor from another engine with a different direction of rotation, or have you been able to reverse the motors polarity in some way or something?

Surely otherwise a stock Volvo V8 starter motor would be trying to turn the engine over in the wrong direction?
I think I can answer that without them getting mad at me.
It's a double reduction reverse mount starter from a Nascar app.
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I think I can answer that without them getting mad at me.
It's a double reduction reverse mount starter from a Nascar app.
Buchka's starters also have a fully synchronized dual clutch solenoid operation. Just because they can.
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Old 01-09-2014, 10:33 PM   #443
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Your right. You can't order the parts from jegs. Instead its rsi, sam,selhol sten parner ect. I think the 16vt swap is much easier than an ls swap having done both. Its easy to make an opinion for somthing you never have done first hand.
You guys are really taking this too far. I've done lots of v8s in my life and lots with Volvos since. When I started with Volvos there was no RSI ect. I'm pretty sure my ten year+ history here shows I'm pretty supportive of everyone's projects.

Again, my point was this may barely qualify as a 240 to some, but there is no reason to dog the project, just like the general attitude around here is any swap is fair game. Further more, I was trying to compliment the ambition and difficulty involved in this build so far not insult everyone who chooses a different path.

Pats follow up comment basically describes how I feel. If you want to do an LS swap you won't catch flack from me, it's just not my bag. If you think tube chassis removes a 240s soul, that's fine too but let's leave the ****ting people's projects threads to rest. This is how they choose to build the car and unless (this goes for all project threads) there is something grossly unsafe they are doing or the posters ask for our views...let's leave the critiquing out.
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You guys are really taking this too far. I've done lots of v8s in my life and lots with Volvos since. When I started with Volvos there was no RSI ect. I'm pretty sure my ten year+ history here shows I'm pretty supportive of everyone's projects.

Again, my point was this may barely qualify as a 240 to some, but there is no reason to dog the project, just like the general attitude around here is any swap is fair game. Further more, I was trying to compliment the ambition and difficulty involved in this build so far not insult everyone who chooses a different path.

Pats follow up comment basically describes how I feel. If you want to do an LS swap you won't catch flack from me, it's just not my bag. If you think tube chassis removes a 240s soul, that's fine too but let's leave the ****ting people's projects threads to rest. This is how they choose to build the car and unless (this goes for all project threads) there is something grossly unsafe they are doing or the posters ask for our views...let's leave the critiquing out.
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Old 01-10-2014, 12:59 AM   #445
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Color me impressed when someone turns a 244 into a space shuttle, Doug
I would be too.

Bah. I'm impressed with anything in here, frankly anyone building any volvo instead of crushing it impresses me.

(I'll clean this thread up Karl/Alex tomorrow night).
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That is the orientation of the starter in the car that engine came out of.

AH, I didn't realise that. I do know that one of these engines mounted transversely in something like an XC90 must be very compact to allow for exhaust manifolding space, and positioning the starter motor above the gearbox therfore makes a lot of sense.

I have never seen a Volvo V8 installation in the flesh, and in fact I can't remember ever seeing a starter motor positioned like this on any car.

It looks like it will require some special access arrangements to be made for it when the engine is turned through 90 degrees and mounted in a 240 though.

The photo may be deceptive, but it looks like a normal large bodied starter motor in it? Normally reduction geared starters only need small bodied low torque/ high speed motors with a larger pinion nose end to carry the reduction gears. This can be very handy when mounted against the block in the normal way for obvious reasons, but space above the gearbox in an XC90 shouldn't present such an issue.

Is this arrangement common on NASCAR engines then? It looks like it would be a good idea on other tight V-engine installations as well, but unfortunately I don't believe that the FIA-MSA K37 regulations would permit such a thing to be done in orther forms of motorsport.
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AH, I didn't realise that. I do know that one of these engines mounted transversely in something like an XC90 must be very compact to allow for exhaust manifolding space, and positioning the starter motor above the gearbox therfore makes a lot of sense.

I have never seen a Volvo V8 installation in the flesh, and in fact I can't remember ever seeing a starter motor positioned like this on any car.

It looks like it will require some special access arrangements to be made for it when the engine is turned through 90 degrees and mounted in a 240 though.

The photo may be deceptive, but it looks like a normal large bodied starter motor in it? Normally reduction geared starters only need small bodied low torque/ high speed motors with a larger pinion nose end to carry the reduction gears. This can be very handy when mounted against the block in the normal way for obvious reasons, but space above the gearbox in an XC90 shouldn't present such an issue.

Is this arrangement common on NASCAR engines then? It looks like it would be a good idea on other tight V-engine installations as well, but unfortunately I don't believe that the FIA-MSA K37 regulations would permit such a thing to be done in orther forms of motorsport.
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Old 01-26-2014, 01:54 AM   #448
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just picked up on this amazing build +1 for sure. Being a minion doing a 230ft swap for the first time, threads like this are like crack ;) keep it up!!!!
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I like the square tubing idea. Looks good.
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Buchka brothers, amazing work, good job guys. I think Asher just hates racecars
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