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Old 07-12-2017, 02:04 PM   #51
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Well I just installed a set of genuine volvo mounts in my friends 1990. They were also from FCPEuro and have their lifetime warranty. So we shall see. It has been a few weeks and they look good. After the horrible winter weather comes and goes we will really see how they hold up.
It make me wonder what you got. mr brick driver bought NIB Volvo mounts from the dealer and they failed in less than 5,000 miles. I recently replaced them and saved them as evidence.
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:09 PM   #52
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They were in blue volvo boxes. Only time will tell. lol.
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:13 PM   #53
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Oh boy. I'll take a pic of what came out of his car and post it up if Photobucket will let me. They do not look like the version that was in earlier 240s. I have quite a few of those around in good shape. Some of them have 150,000 plus miles on them and are in great shape compared to the junk Volvo sold him.
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Oh boy. I'll take a pic of what came out of his car and post it up if Photobucket will let me. They do not look like the version that was in earlier 240s. I have quite a few of those around in good shape. Some of them have 150,000 plus miles on them and are in great shape compared to the junk Volvo sold him.
Those new ones failing after 5K... street suspension, or Bilstein HD, etc.?
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:19 PM   #55
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^^ I think it has HD's in it. It also has strut reinforcement plates in it.
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Old 07-13-2017, 03:08 AM   #56
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Still skating by on OE cared for PNW rubber used and 15A plates no issues.
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:58 AM   #57
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Steal bearing mounts all the way now
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:55 PM   #58
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Ordered a set of OE mounts from FCPEuro today. I'll take advantage of the life time warranty until something better appears. My mechanic is not happy about the open bearing on the Kaplhenke Racing units.

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That's silly. Is your mechanic going to install the warrantied mounts for free when they crap out in a month?
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:06 PM   #59
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The new ones from Volvo fail in short order even with "plain old" KYB Excels. We get about two years here in the SW. Billies hasten the failure, and I'm sure harder springs do too. Chris's plates are the only savior for now, if you don't want solid mounts. I'm workin' on it though.
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:35 PM   #60
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I find it extremely frustrating when companies cut corners to the point that the product is not even fit for use. I get that it's important to cut costs, but I'd gladly pay more to have a quality part. Same is true of most aftermarket headlights and tail lights, the quality is crap, there's nothing in between a (example numbers) $350 dealer part and a $40 aftermarket part that looks like crap. I'd gladly pay $150 for a really good aftermarket part that is a true match in quality for OEM.
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I find it extremely frustrating when companies cut corners to the point that the product is not even fit for use. I get that it's important to cut costs, but I'd gladly pay more to have a quality part. Same is true of most aftermarket headlights and tail lights, the quality is crap, there's nothing in between a (example numbers) $350 dealer part and a $40 aftermarket part that looks like crap. I'd gladly pay $150 for a really good aftermarket part that is a true match in quality for OEM.
But you'd be getting a bargain if that $350 Genuine part was anywhere near the quality it was when it was made in car-production quantities for a going car producer, because things like tail lights are a lot easier to get right and profitable when your production line is building pallet-loads of them, and the results are being carefully inspected and checked by one of your largest customers.

Back to topic at-hand... is it just my lengthened perception, or do vulcanized rubber parts have different properties in this century compared to last? Like alkaline batteries, did the formula change for the good of the earth, or something, not related to penny-pinching? I spent a Sunday studying this elastomer thing at Wayne State U many years ago, only to learn it is a deeper subject than squirting goo into a mold.
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Old 07-13-2017, 06:13 PM   #62
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For the 300 series Volvo stopped offering top mounts at all. I have made poly top mounts for them but they were simple to do as there is no bearing in them http://www.classicswede.co.uk/Strut_...4_9867644.aspx

I could do them for 240's but they would be more complex and fairly costly. If there was interest I would do it but like I say they would be expensive - more than the cheaper bearing mounts available
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Old 07-13-2017, 06:24 PM   #63
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Don't forget that Volvo themselves doesn't make any of these parts anymore. Everything for the 900 series and older is done by Genuine Classic Parts which is not Volvo AB or Volvo cars. They are authorized to make Volvo branded parts for our cars.

That is also an interesting point Art made about the rubber formula. This is probably exactly what is going on and it's not going to change.
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I'm all for being environmentally friendly, but if something has a lifespan a fraction of what a properly made part has, it's not environmentally friendly. We know it's still possible to make good quality rubber though, tires still hold up well, new cars still have rubber bushings and whatnot that seem to hold up, I mean my other half's Toyota is 16 years old and has all the original rubber in the suspension. If brand new cars had strut mounts falling apart after 5,000 miles there would be a class action lawsuit.
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Old 07-14-2017, 05:21 AM   #65
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I'm all for being environmentally friendly, but if something has a lifespan a fraction of what a properly made part has, it's not environmentally friendly. We know it's still possible to make good quality rubber though, tires still hold up well, new cars still have rubber bushings and whatnot that seem to hold up, I mean my other half's Toyota is 16 years old and has all the original rubber in the suspension. If brand new cars had strut mounts falling apart after 5,000 miles there would be a class action lawsuit.
For the guys working in china is better that they dont last long so they can sell more of them
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They don't sell more of them if they only last 5,000 miles though. I mean fool me once...
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I'm all for being environmentally friendly, but if something has a lifespan a fraction of what a properly made part has, it's not environmentally friendly. We know it's still possible to make good quality rubber though, tires still hold up well, new cars still have rubber bushings and whatnot that seem to hold up, I mean my other half's Toyota is 16 years old and has all the original rubber in the suspension. If brand new cars had strut mounts falling apart after 5,000 miles there would be a class action lawsuit.
IDK about tires.
I have tires from the 70s driven in a rainy climate / parked in the shade/indoors most of the time and stored indoors that are still rubbery and don't show cracking when you can see it really well (breaking the bead on the tire machine really stretching it out.)

I take a 5-10 year old tire off of the same description and the cracks are terrifying as you really stretch the sidewall breaking the bead.

I don't advocate driving around on 70s tires/tire technology , but I'll echo cleanflametrap that I'm outta my depth on vulcanized rubber chemistry, but something seems to have happened in the last decade or two or "this century" as he puts it...

That, and you only need to fool someone once to sell parts and there's no market incentive to sell quality parts in low volume for the ~1% of cars remaining 20+ years out as opposed to a major manufacturer customer ordering 3 million a day/year or whatever subject to lemon laws, implied warranty laws, DOT safety laws etc etc and just market forces/expectations/ people expecting a brand new car to be basically no fuss/trouble free for 3-6 years 36-72K that the average american even keeps a car before buying a new one...vs...

...the owner of a $0-3000 15-20 year old fully depreciated throw-away car/bucket (which most of these were/have been for a decade or more which has left them all in rough or very rough shape with the few survivors standing out) that they more or less expect needs to last ~3-18 months or whatever or 3 car payments or whatever and doesn't require the owner have good credit or pay for expensive insurance etc until they can afford something nice or just don't care because they live in a city and the car is only for occasional use/low miles/who cares, no point in having a new and shiny one or keeping it tip top when everyones packed in/parks with their bumpers etc anyway.

Zero incentive to make quality parts for these cars, low volume, cars aren't really worth anything, cheap owners, 25+ years out for the newest 240 or ~.05% remaining from original # sold. Cars mostly go down to 10% of their original # every 10 years, and it's sorta linear, though 15-25 years is the UUUGE water-shed.

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When and if I can get the "soft" (as opposed to solid aluminum) solution to market, it will be quality stuff.

Yes, vulcanization, plastics, resins, plasticizers (as in vinyl products) have all been heavily impacted by environmental concerns. In the vinyl industry we began having problems in the late 80s, for example. UV inhibitors suffered in quality, plasticizers leached more quickly and at lower exposure. Flexibility dropped. Durability suffered. Adhesives became less effective and more difficult to store. Even ink opacity was affected. The use of recycled materials in new runs of many things resulted in grades of all sorts of things being lowered. No surprise that rubber was affected also.
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American Environmentalism:
We need things to be more environmentally friendly as we buy cars every 3-6 years and put more of it in the landfill (dump) every year

Obviously consumers that bought cars every 20 years and all that goes into producing a whole car is vastly worse than just keeping one longer, or driving fewer miles and/or carpooling or whatever, but good luck selling that idea...
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I'm definitely not a typical consumer. I drove my $500 Volvo for 17 years and maintained it so it stayed nice that whole time, I would have kept it indefinitely had a semi not rear ended it. At least given how well I had kept it up I got a nearly 12x return on my investment from the insurance. I take good care of my stuff and keep it forever or until I can't find or fabricate parts to keep it going or something nicer comes my way. I suppose if everyone were like me the whole economy would collapse but maybe stuff would be better made. I'm happy to pay a premium for quality goods, I will not pay a premium for a fancy brand slapped on the same junk I can buy direct from China for a lot cheaper. I would love it if car manufactures supplied good quality OEM parts for at least 50 years, I mean the thought of paying ~$50k for a car and then throwing it away after only 10-20 years is ridiculous to me, that's a major investment, something to take good care of that should last decades, not just use it up and buy another.
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I can report the mounts that Ben is making seem to have zero effect on ride comfort/noise, etc. I just rebuilt the front end on a 240 and used them after the craptastic Volvo offerings didn't last 2 weeks of sitting with zero miles before they started cracking.
As an added bonus, it's possible to get a little bit of negative camber even with stock springs using them.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:34 PM   #72
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Kaplhenke Racing: These are dry bearings that do not use grease. There is no cap as there is no grease to trap the "dirt" I would expect to see 5 years of life before replacing the bearings on a daily.
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Hmmm, using rally, racing, drifting parts on a DD. Do I want to replace the bearing every five years.

In my follow up question, I ask for the procedure to do so. If you have to disassemble the strut, in spite of a good damper in there, well ...



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5 years is an approximation. could be 5 years, could be 30 years. bearing life has ALOT of variables. Replacement bearings are CHEAP and can be changed in ~60 minutes

These don't have any rubber that will dry rot or crack over time, the life of the bearing comes down to use more then time of ownership.
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Ordered a set of OE mounts from FCPEuro today. I'll take advantage of the life time warranty until something better appears. My mechanic is not happy about the open bearing on the Kaplhenke Racing units.

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Volvo uses junk for their rubber parts.
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