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Old 08-27-2007, 11:32 AM   #1
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:54 PM   #2
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Nice write up man! Bravo
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:25 PM   #3
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Nice write up man! Bravo
I ain't done yet dude. I had to go out and squish more tomato monsters into your car.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:17 PM   #4
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:18 PM   #5
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You are my hero. This will be on my 242 for sure.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:37 PM   #6
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Awsome man you are the champ of this MS stuff.. I did it and it works great and still have my tach working..

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Old 08-27-2007, 03:14 PM   #7
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I followed Mikes directions yesterday and came up with my VR sensor conditioning circuit. It did take me a while to do, probably half a day of fussing around with it while watching family guy. The other thread he made (and linked to at the top of this post) is a great tutorial for how to wire it all up.
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Old 08-28-2007, 06:35 PM   #8
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Ok people, this is pretty much done. I have to run through it a few more times to spruce it up, but think it's pretty legible. Please let me know if it needs improvement.

The only thing left really is the factory tach output. I never got that working well. The DSM/Hyundai coilpacks come with a tach output circuit, but hooking it directly to the factory 240 tach didn't make it budge. I'm not sure if it needs to be pulled up to 12v, or if a tach circuit needs constructificating. Sam, what did you end up doing?

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Old 08-28-2007, 09:49 PM   #9
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Ah, all the wiring and programming...MS scares the crap out of me. I think I'll leave it be for several years.
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Old 09-01-2007, 06:15 PM   #10
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Got a stupid question: if you're running a 36-1 on the harmonic balancer (crank pulley), in which direction do you start counting? Same or opposite of crank rotation? EDIT: I think I know the answer

Nice write-up; really easy to follow, but I can't get the trigger settings figured out so I'm going with this Excel tool: Wheel Decoder
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Old 09-01-2007, 09:42 PM   #11
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eh to much work.......i rather get a MSD box.....
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eh to much work.......i rather get a MSD box.....
not the same thing.
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Old 09-02-2007, 12:24 AM   #13
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beee-aaauuutiful writeup maing. I'm lovin it. Printed, subscribed and saved into my folder o-stuff.
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:47 PM   #14
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Hmm, I went junkyarding today and couldn't find this particular coil setup. I found many coils that looked similar, but none that had the two modules nearby. I checked the 4g63 motors and the Hyundais. What cars did these come on?
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Old 09-03-2007, 12:57 AM   #15
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Nice write up, I might do this one day. I am currently running MSnS-e with a hall trigger and MSD ignition, it's done everything I need it to. Whats the main benefit of running EDIS over my current setup? What will I gain?
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Old 09-03-2007, 04:25 AM   #16
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Hmm, I went junkyarding today and couldn't find this particular coil setup. I found many coils that looked similar, but none that had the two modules nearby. I checked the 4g63 motors and the Hyundais. What cars did these come on?
Hey Nick, I did some searching on www.foreigncarpartsonline.com and found the coilpack to be present on 92-later 16-valve Hyundai Elantra's, Accent's, and Sonata's. Ditto for the DSM's

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Nice write up, I might do this one day. I am currently running MSnS-e with a hall trigger and MSD ignition, it's done everything I need it to. Whats the main benefit of running EDIS over my current setup? What will I gain?
This isn't EDIS... EDIS is Ford's method of doing wasted spark. Benefits? More coil saturation, higher potential spark energy. You don't have one coil charging and discharging 4 times... now the duty is shared. What did I notice? Smoothness.

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on my led17 for spark i just pulled from the led square pad, no rez, no led in there either, i see you an led in there and 2 rez
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Hey Nick, I did some searching on www.foreigncarpartsonline.com and found the coilpack to be present on 92-later 16-valve Hyundai Elantra's, Accent's, and Sonata's. Ditto for the DSM's

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Found one this morning. A Hyundai 1.8 had this exact setup. Most of the DSM ones in the yard were melted and didn't have the transistor module w/ them. Once I realized the car had the goods, I pillaged it in about 15 minutes. 11.25$ and I was out. Thanks again for the writeup, I can't wait to get this car running!
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Got the 36-1 working with the *error daughterboard; I'm curious if the V6 Hyundai's have a similar coilpack configuration
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on my led17 for spark i just pulled from the led square pad, no rez, no led in there either, i see you an led in there and 2 rez
When triggering a 139 module off that LED you don't need any pullup resistors.
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Old 10-12-2007, 07:05 PM   #22
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Any news on the Tacho output?

I'm about to make a move to wasted spark, just organising the parts now but was curious to know if the tacho output problem has been resolved?

If not then I suppose I could leave the dizzy, coil and 139 module in the motor as a tacho driver.

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Old 10-12-2007, 07:15 PM   #23
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The tach output is not a problem. I simply don't have the vehicle in front of me to test the mitsu/hyundai tach output and finish the article. Give me a few months and I'll know for sure.

Until then, anyone can test this themselves. Test the output of the mitsu/hyunda tach output interface. It may be a simple as a 12v pullup to the output to get it to work.

If the mitsu/hyundai does work, you're set. If not, you need to build the tach circuit outlined on the msns-e page with the relay-coil method.

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Thanks Mike,

Since the speedo cable busted on me the only speed reference I have at the mo is the tacho so I'll swap the stock dizzy wiring onto the 139 just for a tacho output, if by some miracle I manage to get the time to build the tacho output cirsuit then I'll do that.

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You mean this tach circuit?

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