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Old 01-30-2017, 09:19 AM   #26
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whats so bad about microsquirt? the fact that tons of people use it and there is support all over the internet? oh yea that sucks big time
I don't think anyone really thinks MS is bad, unless they just need to justify in their minds why they spent more on something else.

But from the viewpoint of a developer...

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...which loves sending "cease and desist" letters ...
...that's a bummer!

To audrey: That kind of chat is inflammatory. Can you prove this has been done and elaborate on the circumstances?

That all said, competition is a good thing. Even if it's just a threat of competition, I have to believe Megasquirt has been nothing short of disruptive to other stand alone producers.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:19 AM   #27
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MegaSquirt not MicroSquirt.

MS2 with a v3.0 mainboard is the way to go.

Far too many buy a MicroSquirt and them try to make it do the things a MS2 can do and have a less than stellar experience.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:28 AM   #28
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That all said, competition is a good thing. Even if it's just a threat of competition, I have to believe Megasquirt has been nothing short of disruptive to other stand alone producers.
I believe Bowling and Grippo take to task the "developers" that take their (B&G) schematics, rearrange them on a different board, call the design their own and then sell them... at least that's how I understand it.... I could be mistaken.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:54 AM   #29
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Far too many buy a MicroSquirt and them try to make it do the things a MS2 can do and have a less than stellar experience.
Like what?
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:03 AM   #30
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Like what?
It can't do sequential injection or coil on plug for a V8 I believe.
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:22 AM   #31
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It can't do sequential injection or coil on plug for a V8 I believe.
It can. Well, maybe not sequential, but sloppy mechanics sells a plug and play microsquirt for LS swaps.

edit:// An LS is considered COP yes? Not Coil near plug, or whatever the hell they call it?
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It can't do sequential injection or coil on plug for a V8 I believe.
You're right. The one limitation of microsquirt that I've found is the limited fuel outputs. But that is offset by the cost, size, and available support in my opinion. Plus you don't have to use a DB37.
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:24 AM   #33
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It can. Well, maybe not sequential, but sloppy mechanics sells a plug and play microsquirt for LS swaps.
You can control as many cylinders as you want, but you only have two fuel channels. So for controlling a V8 there are two fuel banks of 4 cylinders. So far from sequential.
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It can't do sequential injection or coil on plug for a V8 I believe.
neither can an ms2. the closest you can get is fully sequential with 4 cylinders and additional circuitry. To which I would say... if you can't get it working with a micro, you're going to have a hell of a time getting it working with ms2 and building out additional circuits. Just sayin'.


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It can. Well, maybe not sequential, but sloppy mechanics sells a plug and play microsquirt for LS swaps.

edit:// An LS is considered COP yes? Not Coil near plug, or whatever the hell they call it?
ls coils are CNP, but it's a coil per hole. Micro runs LS engines in wasted spark mode.

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You're right. The one limitation of microsquirt that I've found is the limited fuel outputs. But that is offset by the cost, size, and available support in my opinion. Plus you don't have to use a DB37.
It's a budget ecu that's fantastic for *most* people... and doesn't require assembly..

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You can control as many cylinders as you want, but you only have two fuel channels. So for controlling a V8 there are two fuel banks of 4 cylinders. So far from sequential.
well... yes to a certain extent. it also largely depends on how things are set up.


You get cease and desist letters from B&G when you use megasquirt software on unlicensed hardware. It is *not* freeware and it is not really open source.

So crying about breaking IP law generally just means that you're a hack who can't or won't code up your own junk.
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Old 01-30-2017, 12:29 PM   #35
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You can control as many cylinders as you want, but you only have two fuel channels. So for controlling a V8 there are two fuel banks of 4 cylinders. So far from sequential.
I was referring to the ignition side, but I forgot it was in wasted spark as Kenny pointed out.
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Old 01-30-2017, 12:32 PM   #36
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i got microsquirt on my 5.3. its simple and cheap and its known to be capable of good power. also it doesnt have the printer cable....
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yea its batch fuel waste spark
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I really wish I hadn't pulled the engine out of my car. It was running great on Microsquirt. Now it just looks sad in my car port
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yeah hindsight is a bitch on stuff like that. I find it better to hold off on starting a project before there's a clear path to victory. sometimes this is not always plausible, but at least it's a good rule of thumb ;)
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yeah hindsight is a bitch on stuff like that. I find it better to hold off on starting a project before there's a clear path to victory. sometimes this is not always plausible, but at least it's a good rule of thumb ;)
It's been motivation honestly. Sold redblock and t5, bought 2j and w58, have everything except motor mounts, and motivation has fallen to less than rock bottom.

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Well it's taken me a month and I'm still not running on Microsquirt due to various issues, mostly I think trying to get the lh2 2 distributor to work and 1 bad crimp to the idle valve so far. Hopefully this VW coil fixes my spark problem. I feel so MS challenged since everyone says how easy it is.
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Well it's taken me a month and I'm still not running on Microsquirt due to various issues, mostly I think trying to get the lh2 2 distributor to work and 1 bad crimp to the idle valve so far. Hopefully this VW coil fixes my spark problem. I feel so MS challenged since everyone says how easy it is.
The lh 2.2 distro and single coil is by far the easiest path to MS on a redblock
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easy or not, with *any* kinda management system there's usually a steep up front learning curve.
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easy or not, with *any* kinda management system there's usually a steep up front learning curve.
I stared at my car like an idiot for a few weeks back in 2005. If it wasnt for your writeup, I dont think it ever would have ran.
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I did have it running, idling and driving (not well) on Friday but Saturday brought nosparkatall. I also had a bad/fouled wideband sensor that got replaced Saturday morning, hard for auto tune to do anything without good data. Also moved the IAT to post intercooler pipe and was ready to do some serious tuning then no fire....
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I believe Bowling and Grippo take to task the "developers" that take their (B&G) schematics, rearrange them on a different board, call the design their own and then sell them... at least that's how I understand it.... I could be mistaken.
I can understand that as long as it's justified. I'd protect my intellectual property as well.

Andrey is kind of making it sound like they are doing it to anyone and everyone. If there is evidence of this being done just because they can flex some muscle on the newcomers, I'd like to see it.
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I can understand that as long as it's justified. I'd protect my intellectual property as well.

Andrey is kind of making it sound like they are doing it to anyone and everyone. If there is evidence of this being done just because they can flex some muscle on the newcomers, I'd like to see it.
Its the open source attitude people have when they start their own projects.

I see it in software all the time.
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The lh 2.2 distro and single coil is by far the easiest path to MS on a redblock
That's exactly the path I'm walking right now.

Gotta start somewhere.
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Its the open source attitude people have when they start their own projects.

I see it in software all the time.
I write code too but I'm kind of curious what you mean by "the open source attitude".
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I can understand that as long as it's justified. I'd protect my intellectual property as well.

Andrey is kind of making it sound like they are doing it to anyone and everyone. If there is evidence of this being done just because they can flex some muscle on the newcomers, I'd like to see it.
they only do it to people who "improve the hardware" and then load the megasquirt software on there. The licensing for megasquirt is quite clear on what it can and cannot be used with/on/for.

they wax a bit poetic (and it's also been updated from this as well), but here's the gist:
http://www.megamanual.com/copy.htm

fake edit: here's the current one.
http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/licenses.pdf

a large part of the driving force behind all of that is to protect the community from diverse and sub-standard product infiltration, as has been the case several times in the past and continues even now.. people do try it all the time.

As far as C&D's to newcomers to the EFI aftermarket, doubt it. the minds behind megasquirt don't seem to have much if any interest beyond features, in other systems and their implementations. In fact, they don't always have much in the way of interest in extending some of the baser functions of the things they *do* have.

TL;DR: they only dispatch C&Ds when folks try to rip their stuff off (normally the software, as they have no exclusivity claim on the hardware they're using lol)
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