home register FAQ memberlist calendar

Go Back   Turbobricks Forums > Mechanical > performance & modifications

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-25-2017, 12:31 PM   #76
Pasis
Board Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Russia, Kovrov
Default

I think this size is chosen in place. As it was written above, for this purpose it is possible to use measuring plates.
Pasis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2017, 03:24 PM   #77
Lankku
Board Member
 
Lankku's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Finland
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by poulrais View Post
That's it?!? What was the thickness of these small metal plates?
0.8mm or thinner depending how much the cast has collapsed. A little tight fitment is good, assembly tapping with a hammer.
__________________
444 -55, 145 Express -71, 265 GL -78 D24T, 242 DL -80 (was 4.6l)sold, 245 -88 "B6284T" sold, 245 -90 "B6284T", V90 -98 4.6l
Lankku is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2017, 03:11 PM   #78
poulrais
Board Member
 
poulrais's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Quebec, CAN
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lankku View Post
0.8mm or thinner depending how much the cast has collapsed. A little tight fitment is good, assembly tapping with a hammer.
Is your BMW 6 speed tranny from a E90 330d car? Are there other BMW models carrying that transmission because these 330d are a pretty rare sauce over here!
__________________




1990, Volvo 740 16v +T
1991, Volvo 745T 16V - crushed
build thread: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=249553
poulrais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2017, 03:37 PM   #79
Lankku
Board Member
 
Lankku's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Finland
Default

E90/91 325, 330, same age 525, 530D and some other diesel models have bigger GS6-53DZ. Smaller engines have GS6-37DZ which can take at least 700Nm. I have this behind my milder 6-cyl. A search with tranny models shows where you can find one. I've bought all but one from Germany or UK through Ebay, here those are more expensive.
Lankku is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2017, 03:45 PM   #80
poulrais
Board Member
 
poulrais's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Quebec, CAN
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lankku View Post
E90/91 325, 330, same age 525, 530D and some other diesel models have bigger GS6-53DZ. Smaller engines have GS6-37DZ which can take at least 700Nm. I have this behind my milder 6-cyl. A search with tranny models shows where you can find one. I've bought all but one from Germany or UK through Ebay, here those are more expensive.
There is one in California on EBay for $799 USD

http://www.ebay.com/itm/04-10-BMW-54...JZXvf~&vxp=mtr
poulrais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2017, 04:17 PM   #81
Lankku
Board Member
 
Lankku's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Finland
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by poulrais View Post
There is one in California on EBay for $799 USD

http://www.ebay.com/itm/04-10-BMW-54...JZXvf~&vxp=mtr
V8 gasoline engine tranny(-BZ) has bigger bellhousing than diesel. Diesel bellhousing is better for conversion, diameter fits quite nicely together with whiteblock AW, M90 and 5-cyl M56 bellhousing.

Funny how in Europe diesel is more common and as well more manual transmission cars. Makes building/modifying easier in this case.

Last edited by Lankku; 09-26-2017 at 06:43 PM..
Lankku is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2017, 06:12 AM   #82
Pasis
Board Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Russia, Kovrov
Default

Lankku
And how much power and torque can withstand m90 for white block?

By the way, I have long met with information that some Finnish guys used a cast-iron 5-cylinder block from a diesel engine, on a gasoline engine, and got a power of about 1100 hp.
Pasis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2017, 07:27 AM   #83
Lankku
Board Member
 
Lankku's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Finland
Default

In my use M90 took 700Nm for some time and then broke teeth between input and side shafts. Some have used bigger torque without problems. And some have broken earlier.

Yeah, D5/2.4D block is stronger but naturally isn't just a bolt-on. Haven't had the need to study it more. Perhaps JuhaU could tell more what is needed? I recall that he has done it.
Lankku is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2017, 05:26 AM   #84
Pasis
Board Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Russia, Kovrov
Default

Yes, I thought it was him. I saw a photo on his page.
Pasis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2018, 12:57 PM   #85
Pillow
Sleazebag 7-9 Owner
 
Pillow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: NoVA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lankku View Post
I've used stock 1.8 Motronic for both under 300hp turbo engines ...
You mentioned E85 later in the thread.

But did you change injectors, ECU tune, or change MAP sensor for the addition of the Turbo on top of the stock 1.8 Motronic?

I like the idea of a straight forward low boost conversion. The idea would be to use a S80 T6 manifold and Turbo (T16?) setup on the 960 motor. Seems like a direct fit, maybe.

Thanks!
__________________
#79WDP
2006 XC70 Wagon - "Chuck Feo" - Daughters ride - stock
1992 965 - "Savage Wagon" w LS 5.3 LM7 + LS7 cam + GM T5 swap in progress.
1983 Jeep Cherokee - LS 5.3 LM7 + LS9 cam + SM465 swap in progress
1971 Chevy C-10 w 5.3 LS (LS2 cam) & GM T5 trans
Pillow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2018, 08:12 PM   #86
Lankku
Board Member
 
Lankku's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Finland
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillow View Post
You mentioned E85 later in the thread.

But did you change injectors, ECU tune, or change MAP sensor for the addition of the Turbo on top of the stock 1.8 Motronic?

I like the idea of a straight forward low boost conversion. The idea would be to use a S80 T6 manifold and Turbo (T16?) setup on the 960 motor. Seems like a direct fit, maybe.

Thanks!
T6 injectors and around around 0.5-1bar higher fuel pressure. Otherwise stock. There is no MAP sensor in 960/x90.

When using T6 exhaust manifolds you'll need to fab flanges for the manifold side and runners to the turbo flange.
Lankku is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2018, 06:25 AM   #87
Pasis
Board Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Russia, Kovrov
Default

Hi!
We will continue the old topic of discussion of the boost for white block.

I plan to install a turbo on my B6304. Pistons I want to use from B5244T (V70 2000), 83mm, compression ratio 9.
My goal is to increase the torque from 2500 to 4000 rpms. The power is about 270-280hp. Boost is about 7-9ps. I'm considering various options for turbines. For example, the HX35 with an 8cm or 12cm body.
Maybe someone has already tried to install such, share the experience, what you got, maybe someone who has dyno measurements?
Pasis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2018, 10:08 AM   #88
poulrais
Board Member
 
poulrais's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Quebec, CAN
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasis View Post
Hi!
We will continue the old topic of discussion of the boost for white block.

I plan to install a turbo on my B6304. Pistons I want to use from B5244T (V70 2000), 83mm, compression ratio 9.
My goal is to increase the torque from 2500 to 4000 rpms. The power is about 270-280hp. Boost is about 7-9ps. I'm considering various options for turbines. For example, the HX35 with an 8cm or 12cm body.
Maybe someone has already tried to install such, share the experience, what you got, maybe someone who has dyno measurements?
Stock ECU?
poulrais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2018, 11:30 AM   #89
Pasis
Board Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Russia, Kovrov
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by poulrais View Post
Stock ECU?
Probably yes. But it will not be a standard firmware, especially for boost.
Pasis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2018, 04:34 PM   #90
ryan242v
Board Member
 
ryan242v's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: va beach
Default

http://pauter.com/parts/rods/volvo/

Incase you want to spend $1,300. Very nice rods though. From all the research I've done an I- Beam rod seems to be stronger and lighter than H-Beams. To each their own.
__________________
2009 Schwinn Leguna 50!! Scooter Puff Jr. 5,500 miles!
1998 S70 T5M, 264k miles, needs something
1987 244 DL, 234k miles (Current Daily Driver)
1979 242 DL, 500k miles, B230FT, M45, 3.31 diff
1973 1800ES awaiting restoration, not togethor
1971 Camaro, my highschool car, rusting away
1969 Suzuki T500 Titan II
ryan242v is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 08:45 PM   #91
poulrais
Board Member
 
poulrais's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Quebec, CAN
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboDenny View Post
Were you referring to this? Courtesy of Lankku's build thread in his signature.
Lankku how did you fill the gaps between the bores when you installed this block guard? Did you machine the gaps wider then pressed aluminum shims in?
poulrais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 11:24 AM   #92
Lankku
Board Member
 
Lankku's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Finland
Default

It's a one piece design. Original casting was completely removed around the top of the cylinders.
Lankku is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 03:01 PM   #93
poulrais
Board Member
 
poulrais's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Quebec, CAN
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lankku View Post
It's a one piece design. Original casting was completely removed around the top of the cylinders.
Ok thanks for the info!
poulrais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 03:12 PM   #94
Lankku
Board Member
 
Lankku's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Finland
Default

Started to think if it's really the way I said and had a look at the pictures again. It's not.

Only the cast between the cylinders is machined off and otherwise there is some original casting left around the cylinders. In the picture linked eariler you can quite clearly see the lines.

This is how the guard looks after being cut:
http://postimg.org/image/jstmt8dwb/
Lankku is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 04:14 PM   #95
poulrais
Board Member
 
poulrais's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Quebec, CAN
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lankku View Post
Started to think if it's really the way I said and had a look at the pictures again. It's not.

Only the cast between the cylinders is machined off and otherwise there is some original casting left around the cylinders. In the picture linked eariler you can quite clearly see the lines.

This is how the guard looks after being cut:
http://postimg.org/image/jstmt8dwb/
Ok pretty good picture there! Thanks!
poulrais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2018, 09:43 AM   #96
Pasis
Board Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Russia, Kovrov
Default

Hello!

I now choose which turbo pistons to order for my B6304.
I found two types.
https://catalog.mahle-aftermarket.co...967237#divider
The first has pockets for valves and thicker rings. It was installed on B5254 to 98 year.

https://catalog.mahle-aftermarket.co...967206#divider
The second type does not have pockets for valves and has thinner rings. Oil-removable ring type dial.

The remaining geometric dimensions are the same for them. The second type only has a finger length of 66mm, instead of 61mm.

What do you think I should use? I will have a standard 6304 head and 204hp. camshafts.
Pasis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2018, 06:59 PM   #97
poulrais
Board Member
 
poulrais's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Quebec, CAN
Default

I could snatch a B6294t engine from a 2004 XC90 T6 for cheap. Are these engine any good for a build? I'd have the deck closed with a block guard. They got the twin VVT I guess?
poulrais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2018, 06:54 AM   #98
TurboDenny
Why am I here?
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Default

I'm wondering the same thing since there is an option for closing the deck. Do we really need to source B6284 blocks for their strength over the B6304? The B6304 head is superior, so it would be nice to only buy one new engine.
__________________


Instagram: @itstotesdenny

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeEMSFred View Post
Nothing's black magic. Basics to moderate power levels are cake, period. Start off rich and retarded, like your president.

Last edited by TurboDenny; 07-29-2018 at 04:39 AM..
TurboDenny is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:02 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.