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Old 01-29-2018, 04:19 PM   #26
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More importantly: Chicks can't see the suspension bushings. And women swoon when they see one of these under the hood. Case closed!


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Old 01-29-2018, 04:26 PM   #27
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What other mods do you have?
Upper and lower IPD braces, 23/19 sways, IPD sport springs, Billy Touring shocks. Now working on the 300k mile "wonder" bushings. LOL.

This car corners so hard gasoline comes out the filler when I hit the on ramp.



Seriously, the ride is good and the handling fun. Not low enough to be "cool," but that's why I wear Wayfarers...


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Old 01-29-2018, 05:06 PM   #28
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I have a similar experience as keesue. I have used in a couple of cars OEM upper braces, home made OEM-style lower braces and a brace between towers. Adding just upper and lower braces give the most noticeable difference and adding brace between towers after that doesn't affect so much. But adding the braces in a different order changes that. For example adding lower braces last feels to affect the least. But as a whole it makes the front end behave completely differently.

As a first update I'd recommend using poly control arm rear bushing. Changes the behaviour to way better. And if not anything else, change Panhard bushings to poly too. A nice budget upgrade as a whole.
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Old 01-29-2018, 08:14 PM   #29
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If I understand prevailing wisdom, we put poly on the front control arms and the rear torque arms only. (And sways.)

Good luck.
Rgr that, thanks. I've heard horror stories of the control arm bushing squeaking like hell. Yes, no? And, I've heard a bit of both on the trailing arm bushings.

I used Lemforders on the control arms and the trailing arms because of this issue to play it safe; but, I've also heard the handling is way better with both and there is no noise issue.

I'm on the fence. I would hate to have squeaks but then I have just developed one in the rear. I have poly on the torque rods and the panhard rod. Made a huge difference in how the rear reacts.

I'm going to disassemble the suspension in the Spring to grease everything up so that's why I'm gathering experiences with the polys so I can make a decision.
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Old 01-29-2018, 08:24 PM   #30
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25 miles in I am happy to say we are squeak free.

My IPD panhard rod with poly does not squeak after a year.

100 years ago I put an Addco sway bar on my Celica. The the chassis mount bushings squeaked over speed bumps initially.
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:17 PM   #31
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Rgr that, thanks. I've heard horror stories of the control arm bushing squeaking like hell. Yes, no? And, I've heard a bit of both on the trailing arm bushings.
Never heard a sqeak with PowerFlex or SuperPro bushings. I've used only the assembly lube supplied with the bushings and that's it.
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Does anyone have a picture of that old cherry turbo brace? I have never seen one but have heard it come up many times, people talk about it with great appreciation.
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Old 02-02-2018, 03:15 PM   #33
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Love that turbo plumbing.
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Never heard a sqeak with PowerFlex or SuperPro bushings. I've used only the assembly lube supplied with the bushings and that's it.
Thanks for this. Good to know.
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Love that turbo plumbing.
Look at the camber......And what looks like a third motor mount under the coolant reservoir....and not only is there no battery, but the tray is gone. Relocated probably. That engine bay is full of curiosity. My bet is that car is nasty.
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Old 02-03-2018, 09:18 PM   #36
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Thanks. This is my next upgrade. Those IPD?

I'm on the fence about the rear trailing arm bushings. Trying to get a handle on why or why not.
My suggestion is to go with Kaplhenke spherical rear bushings rather than poly. Almost the same money, and better articulation for your rear suspension.
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Old 02-04-2018, 07:25 AM   #37
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If you are going to be driving your 240 hard, you should run AT LEAST the GT upper strut mount reinforcement plates. Even better is to add a strut tower brace like Kaplhenke's that has a full strut top plate. Even better than that is thicker strut mounts like Kaplhenke and a few others sell. If not, you could end up with a strut tower like this:



Yes, that is supposed to be flat, not domed.
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Many lolls in this thread.

Guys if you can notice an improvement by adding strut braces from strut towers to the thin flimsy firewall the car is well and truly yelling at you!

They are ALL the flexible flyer! You remember that red wagon we all rolled so many times that bent itsself to deal with bumps and helped us lose so much flesh + appreciate rolling down that hill + head injuries as a tot. How did we survive?

Seriously... Our old junk's structure is 60s-70s Swedish Chic.... Which is another way of describing it as flimsy sh!t.

I gently suggest putting some effort into stitch-welding the car... Esp where the nose of the car mates up with the firewall... Double plate the firewall where strut bars will attach. Double plate strut tops... That section down low where the nose of the car meets firewall on outside.
The rallycar got roll cage tubing from the cage to struts to reinforced firewall for triangles. Not as hard to do as it sounds... But stinky work.

Not hearing the windshield moving around when pulling into a driveway.... Priceless!
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My suggestion is to go with Kaplhenke spherical rear bushings rather than poly. Almost the same money, and better articulation for your rear suspension.
Thanks, I’ll have a look.
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Thanks ! Never thought of it that way and overkill for me I think but want to understand stich welding and what involved. Getting red to redo my red car Pictures will help
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may be too late to the party but I am not a big fan of a full front strut brace on a daily driver. why? sacrifices ride quality, wears out front suspension in weird areas. they are cool...in theory..or on the track.
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Old 02-06-2018, 07:27 PM   #42
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may be too late to the party but I am not a big fan of a full front strut brace on a daily driver. why? sacrifices ride quality, wears out front suspension in weird areas. they are cool...in theory..or on the track.
It isn't theory. They do triangulate the front suspension. To what degree is the discussion. I don't think I have ever seen suspension worn out due to them. Maybe it is because those who install said bar drive it like its stolen?
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may be too late to the party but I am not a big fan of a full front strut brace on a daily driver. why? sacrifices ride quality, wears out front suspension in weird areas. they are cool...in theory..or on the track.
I disagree, I don't see how a strut brace could possibly degrade ride quality or affect tire wear other than helping it.
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may be too late to the party but I am not a big fan of a full front strut brace on a daily driver. why? sacrifices ride quality, wears out front suspension in weird areas. they are cool...in theory..or on the track.
I call bull spit.
Name these weird areas. Show pictures.
Bodys are rigid, suspensions move. That is how it works. The body is not supposed to absorb shock by flexing. Flexing steel cracks. That is what shocks, springs and bushings are for.
Ever drove a car on washboard gravel and seen the fenders flexing in and out? I have. That is why aussie 240s ALL got the gt firewall braces, cause without them on the crappy 80's Australian roads, the ride quality sucked, and the suspension broke/ wore out in weird places.....
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If you are going to be driving your 240 hard, you should run AT LEAST the GT upper strut mount reinforcement plates. Even better is to add a strut tower brace like Kaplhenke's that has a full strut top plate. Even better than that is thicker strut mounts like Kaplhenke and a few others sell. If not, you could end up with a strut tower like this:



Yes, that is supposed to be flat, not domed.

Holy cow. Did you jump that thing? LOL.
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Holy cow. Did you jump that thing? LOL.
No, the roads here in the mountains are just hard on cars if you drive fast. On a stock 245 in excellent condition with Bilstein HD's, I still use the full range of motion in the suspension and it bottoms all the way out and hits full droop multiple times on the way to the grocery store.
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may be too late to the party but I am not a big fan of a full front strut brace on a daily driver. why? sacrifices ride quality, wears out front suspension in weird areas. they are cool...in theory..or on the track.
This is wrong on so many levels, actually its wrong on all of the levels. A stiffer chassis(unibody) never decreases ride quality, it only improves ride quality. Any car that is flexing and deforming isn't letting the suspension do its job correctly.

If you have ever driven in a car with a full roll cage, they are amazingly good over bumps. Theres a reason for that.

That being said, a good chassis brace will never decrease body roll... It may decrease body flex but that those are two distinctly different things.
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Ben, When are you going to have more stock of the 240 strut bars that tie into the firewall?
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Ben, When are you going to have more stock of the 240 strut bars that tie into the firewall?
I have 40 prepped that im dropping off @ the welders sometime next week. Hopefully they get them knocked out in 2-3 weeks.

Its funny how a pretty slow selling product gets a ton of inquiries once its NLA, but no worries... Its soon to be restocked and it will sit on the shelves!!!
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More importantly: Chicks can't see the suspension bushings. And women swoon when they see one of these under the hood. Case closed!



I love those, every time I check, they are still sold out though. :(
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