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Ford Lima (2.3 SOHC) Block > Volvo 2.3 Block?

SteveMD

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John V posted somewhere recently that the Lima block is stronger than the Volvo redblock. That got me to thinking. Since the Lima sometimes comes with a T5 bolted to the back and you can fit a B234f 16v head to one, what's stopping someone from fitting one so assembled into a 240 or 740?
 
yea the pinto(lima) block is a sturdier boat anchor. and the t5 behind them is weak. the 16v head does not fit. some people have custom welded and machined them onto a ford block but the bore spacing isn't quite right either.

do you anticipate having a block failure?

what stops someone from doing all that.$$$$$ for no benefit.
 
yea the pinto(lima) block is a sturdier boat anchor. and the t5 behind them is weak.

do you anticipate having a block failure?

Weak? I guess if you consider handling 400 hp weak, they are weak. The late TC's came with World Class T5s. Back to Steve's question, it's a good idea. The lower ends are way tougher than the Volvo engine. It takes $2,000 worth of replacement parts and machine work to get the Volvo lower end up to what the 2.3 Ford Turbo lower end will handle stock.
 
the big hp ford turbo 4 guys are running ford motorsports svo blocks with esslinger stokers that make up to 3.0 liters not 2.3. these engines were never available in any ford vehicle. you will not find one at any junkyard.

not really a pinto block anymore is it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUar4DtWoc this car uses a c4 tranny it would break a t5
 
the big hp ford turbo 4 guys are running ford motorsports svo blocks with esslinger stokers that make up to 3.0 liters not 2.3. these engines were never available in any ford vehicle. you will not find one at any junkyard.

not really a pinto block anymore is it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUar4DtWoc

We are talking about the block found in the lowly Pinto, etc. not Motorsport$ stuff.
 
the big hp ford turbo 4 guys are running ford motorsports svo blocks with esslinger stokers that make up to 3.0 liters not 2.3. these engines were never available in any ford vehicle. you will not find one at any junkyard.

not really a pinto block anymore is it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUar4DtWoc


That is just one example. You can't really say the Ford crowd are running tall deck SVO blocks. They are so rare, almost nobody has one. The guy in the video is Jon Dell Blair. The video was shot around 2000. I don't know if he still runs the car. Dave Flanders who is also in the low 9's was running a stock 2.3 block. IOW, one out of a SVO, Merkur, TurboCoupe. The tall deck blocks brought $5,000 back in 2000. That was just for a block if you could find one.
 
realistically it takes about a grand in internals to have a b230 that's more than strong enough for most if not everyone floating around on here. beyond that, and we're not arguing about saving a couple hundred bucks (maybe) and we're not talking about most garage projects either, so that's a moot point.

I go back to my initial question that got dismissed.. what's the need?

You don't save anything, if you think "hey cool I don't have to buy an adapter plate to run a transmission" you're on the wrong end of the discussion to begin with...
in order to make use of a volvo head (which the ford guys all beat off to at night instead of porn) you get to do some interesting work to the head itself.. that's not free and may not even be all that cheap if you don't have a machine shop at your disposal. Then you get to adapt enough stuff to get it all working harmoniously, once you're done with that, you've got the privilege of getting it in the car and the time required for that (but, in a forum full of sad broke mf's I guess labor is largely free, yes?). so you've spent countless hours and still got at least hundreds of dollars in machine work (if not more depending), for what?

Who breaks blocks? 99% of the "builds" floating around would be effectively as bullet proof as the ford with a set of ebay stock replacement hbeam rods and the 'puny' 3/8 rod bolts. No one here is pushing the limits. If you're curious when you might be and what you may need to do once you reach that point, there are countless sources overseas to guide you in the right direction.

so, to answer OP: why? because it's a waste of time.
 
I have also tossed this idea around... the only thing I found that was even remotely a "pro" on the list is that you "could" run an adapter plate for the GIANT 302 flywheel and a clutch that will take 1000hp.... but if you are planning to put down those kind of numbers you have enough cash to just go esslinger. Their 8v heads flow a crap-ton and they just bolt on. Glue a volvo emblem to the valve cover and BAM volvo powered.
 
A little bit off topic here but are the 2.3 (N/A version) that came in the fox body and rangers stronger than a red block as well? Or are they internally much weaker than their SVO brothers?
 
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