n. rippe
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I'll be aiming for massive power, when I can get there. But I'm in no hurry. Reliability first.
Same here.
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I'll be aiming for massive power, when I can get there. But I'm in no hurry. Reliability first.
@ 1 - Its not a money thing, its a mindset thing
@ 2 - my 740 cost me $500, next question?
its cyclical because you can't get your collective heads out of your collective asses long enough to figure anything out. You think thepriest has tons of money tied up in his car? You think sam had a ton of money tied up in his 11 second 244? you probably spent more on that stupid vw of yours than he had tied up in the whole car.
how much do you really think it would cost to replicate my car? or Ken Lanham's? How much does that intercooler cost when you have to replace it later because its a restriction? and then maybe re-do your intercooler piping as well?
It's not money. I rocked a stock bottom end with a $400 set of rods for two years on a car that got nothing but run hard and put up wet. I'm still using the same block I was using six years ago. Hell I bought 90% of the stuff that's on my car now when I still qualified for #1.
So, what's your excuse? Aside from cranial-rectal-impaction?
I'd like an exact dollar breakdown/build sheet for your car, preferably in XLS format. Thanks!
and in case anyone was wondering, I called the civic's owner. the change, swapping to a precision core over the ebay 3inch (from 5 years ago) was a 70whp change and the boost was lower.
In no particular oder over the course of 6 years:
$250 for the tial 38mm
$250 for the tail 55mm bov
$250 for whatever intercooler is on it now. Prior to that, it was an NPR
$200 for the head (traded for a 531, which cost me 200 at the time)
$250 for the exhaust manifold parts
$350 for the intake manifold parts
$250 for the injectors
$150 for the current megasquirt (offset by the sale of the previous megasquirt, so say, add $200 for that)
$500 for the car
$80 for the 3inch exhaust that has remained the same for going on 5 years now
$400 for a genuwine garrett T67/T3
$350 for the cams
$100 for the lifters
$60 for lash caps
$60 for the current aw71
$300 in machine work on this last rebuild
$100 for the 2.5 crankshaft
$1100 for the overkill on the fuel system (pumps, tank, lines, fittings regulator brackets, everything)
$120 for the SD turbo timing belt kit. Think that covers the current setup.
$200 nitrous kit
$5020 over 72 months = $70 a month.
The previous 500hp setup was done with:
$400 for rods
$250 for the tial 38mm
$250 for whatever intercooler is on it now. Prior to that, it was an NPR
$200 for the head (traded for a 531, which cost me 200 at the time)
$250 for the exhaust manifold parts
$350 for the intake manifold parts
$250 for the injectors
$150 for the current megasquirt (offset by the sale of the previous megasquirt, so say, add $200 for that)
$500 for the car
$80 for the 3inch exhaust that has remained the same for going on 5 years now
$400 for a genuwine garrett T67/T3
Whatever a walbro 255 cost back in 04
$200 nitrous kit
$3805 over 60 months= $63 a month
350-380 whp setup:
stock bottom end
$250 for the tial 38mm
free intercooler piping that included a dsm bov (thanks mark!)
$200 NPR
$200 for the head (traded for a 531, which cost me 200 at the time). Stock head stock cams stock intake manifold.
$250 for the exhaust manifold parts
$500 for the car
$80 for the 3inch exhaust that has remained the same for going on 5 years now
$500 for a brand new from garrett t3/t4 50 trim.
$200 for the megasquirt setup.
~ $1k for the t5 swap that I later sold.
$1980 over 32 months=$62 a month
I've had over half of this stuff since '03. two years ago the big purchase was intake manifold parts and a set of internals.
Last year there was almost nothing spent on the car. Oh wait no, I bought the cams last december.
Had the crank sitting around for around four years now.
Add another $1500 to the top for the th350 swap, and then you can add at least another 100-150 whp at the same time. Is that a lot of money to **** at once? sure. Which is why I've been rolling in this direction for years now. I can afford to spend way more on the car, but its not (for me) just an exercise in spending money. I have an evo for that.
If you want to further be insulted by your collective lack of production, I offer the build list for sam's 244--
$300 b230ft
$150 megasquirt
$200 t3/t4 50 trim
$100 3 inch exhaust (if that.. it was scrap pieces pieced together)
NPR-he traded something for it
$150 nitrous kit
$50 eaton G80 (pullapart)
scrap aluminum for the intercooler piping
turbo fuel pump (junk yard)
hm.. not sure what the blow off valve was. we'll say $200 for that
car cost $300
free aw71L (I had a spare)
$1250 over 12 months= $105 a month.
Well precisions end tanks look pretty damn similar to chinabay.
This is like a trip down memory lane....
Good to see Kenny back after quitting the forum a couple weeks ago.
So whats the problem with the ebay intercooler. Is it the core or the tanks? I was under the impression that the core design was pretty standard tube and fin design that everyone is using.
Well precisions end tanks look pretty damn similar to chinabay.
So whats the problem with the ebay intercooler. Is it the core or the tanks? I was under the impression that the core design was pretty standard tube and fin design that everyone is using.
I'm trying to figure out where the money is most wisely spent for a future cooler. I considered starting with ebay cooler, and making different end tanks. But not if the core is junk.
Here is some data I have measured. I know my NPR intercooler is probably not helping my performance. I have put a boost gauge on the intake and outlet ends of my intercooler and the pressure drop is as high as 3 psi at 20psi boost. The intake air temps are always stable. The NPR is grand in that respect. It is pretty hard to gain even 20 degrees above ambient with several laps around a road course. But it is sacrificing some flow for cooling ability. That 3 psi translates into the turbo working harder than it should, and taking more energy to spin the turbine, which comes from more backpressure in the exhaust. Id like a "better flowing" intercooler for my next unit.
Mine was bar and plate.
Nothing is "wrong" with them. They simply aren't as "nice" as a $900 Spearco unit with better shaped end tanks.
They were $150 when I bought mine (31x18x3). They are $75 now. You really can't beat the value. You can poke around several car boards and find people using them in high boost applications making more HP than any of us on TB will ever make.
I did pick up considerable trap speed when I installed mine, FWIW.