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Old 05-07-2011, 05:33 PM   #1
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Is there anything available besides the stock strut and Monroe for this car?
I really wanted at least KYB HDs for my LS powered wagon...

Can I install 740 struts to get a better choice of inserts?

I need to do something and don't want to spend all that money just to get back to stock suspension.
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:08 PM   #2
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Pretty much nothing for these cars. 740/940 stuff won't fit, either. Kaplhenke Racing makes a front coilover kit for 95+ 960s, though. They're on the list for my car. Definitely a good option. As for the rear, good luck. The Poi detailed a custom rear coilover set up on his car in his build thread so it can be done, but it requires some fabrication and piecing together. I've heard that the sedans came with stiffer rear sway bars too, but I'd stay away from them with a wagon unless you do something about the front suspension first. An overly stiff rear sway will just cause understeer. They put the lighter rear sway on the wagons for a reason.

A front strut brace will also help stiffen up the chassis a bit. Unfortunately the strut braces that fit the 940s will only fit a 960 if you remove or customize the air conditioning system. There aren't any strut braces available for 960s, yet. FYI, the 960s already have a very good lower chassis brace from the factory.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:50 AM   #3
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There's the GE motorsport setup for the front and rear, but you'd have to have it shipped from Sweden or elsewhere.

http://webbshop.l-m-r.se/product.do?productId=VO96002 4095kr is ~650USD

Another option is 850 shocks which will bolt onto the front spindles, but fabrication is required for the top bearing.

I'm using the same setup on the front of my S90 with great success, that is an 850 koni shock modified to use coilover sleeves and springs, with a sleeve/spacer at the top of the strut tube so it fits the factory strut mount.
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:37 AM   #4
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I need to do something and don't want to spend all that money just to get back to stock suspension.
A fresh stock 960/S/V90 suspension will get you a long way. The factory shocks are unique in design, high pressure gas/hydraulic but don't last more than 70-80k without giving that mushy feel. New 960's don't do that. If you really want it to handle well get new factory springs if it's over 200k miles
The front struts are longer than the 850/S/V70, as are the springs, and longer front coils don't last as long as other Volvo coils, nor does the rear leaf.

I have heard mixed reviews on the Monroe, and BTW the Monroes were more than stock Volvo shocks when I replaced all 4 on my '97 965 last year (IIRC ~240 from Tasca). I wouldn't waste the money on Monroe. I'm going to replace my springs soon, have 180k on them and they are a bit spongy. I have owned two new '95-up 960's and they were great with stock suspension. I wouldn't have it any other way, Volvo parts only.
Now if the Volvo Sport Suspension kit was still available, I would consider it. SAM in Sweden has one for ~$2500
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Old 05-08-2011, 12:06 PM   #5
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Ya, there's really nothing available for these cars. I'm going custom once my motor swap is done. Local pro-racing engineer friend is going to design/spec for me. Probbaly will be using ProShocks, especially since they're 15 minutes form my house, and they design/build high pressure gas shocks for all kinds of stuff. also, more than likely, going to delete the worn-out rear leaf.

http://www.proshocks.com/rshocks/dwncat.htm
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Old 05-08-2011, 05:34 PM   #6
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Thanks for the replies.
I'm going stock Volvo, Monroe never impressed me.
I have enough to do without getting too deep in the suspension.

The car only has 138k on it, so I'm not replacing springs at this point. I will be cutting one coil off the front because the front end is higher than stock since the eng/trans in the car is lighter than the stock eng/trans by a bit over 100# according to the spring scale I used when everything was out of the car.

I went thru the front end today and found the rear A arm bushings torn on both sides. Front bushings looked ok, as did the ball joints, but I'm going to do front and rear A arm bushings and ball joints, while it's apart.
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:16 PM   #7
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...I'm going stock Volvo, Monroe never impressed me....
Monroe actually makes the struts for Volvo. I have no idea if the Monroe sens-a-tracs you can buy at O'Reilly are the same design or quality. I've always bought the shocks from Volvo.

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Ya you're gonna find yourself going through those every 10k miles or so. It's really the worst bushing ever made by anyone. It's awful. Reference: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=221928 . I ended up making this: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=228125 . If I ever get my car back on the road I'll let you know if it works.
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Old 05-08-2011, 09:10 PM   #8
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Monroe actually makes the struts for Volvo. I have no idea if the Monroe sens-a-tracs you can buy at O'Reilly are the same design or quality. I've always bought the shocks from Volvo.



Ya you're gonna find yourself going through those every 10k miles or so. It's really the worst bushing ever made by anyone. It's awful. Reference: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=221928 . I ended up making this: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=228125 . If I ever get my car back on the road I'll let you know if it works.


Are you sure it's Monroe, not Sachs/Boge?? I'm not sure I like the idea of a bearing there, I had considered spacing that bushing (and therefore the control arm) down a bit to help with anti-dive, allowing it to load that bushing even more, but on a different axis from how you measured in your .gif.. Perhaps there's a bushing from a different manufacturer that is the same diameter thats solid rubber?
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Old 02-03-2018, 04:13 PM   #9
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Luckily or not, but there's another player in the game -- a complete set of coilovers from Classicswede:

The front one is Taiwan made gas Twin tube design gas pressure struts, rear - gas shocks product of UK. They are primarily oriented for sportier lower setup with harder springs, but custom versions can also be made to order. It could be a decent solution to sagging OEM parts, and there are some pending reviews available on the Tube channel.
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Old 02-05-2018, 12:40 PM   #10
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Luckily or not, but there's another player in the game -- a complete set of coilovers from Classicswede:

The front one is Taiwan made gas Twin tube design gas pressure struts, rear - gas shocks product of UK. They are primarily oriented for sportier lower setup with harder springs, but custom versions can also be made to order. It could be a decent solution to sagging OEM parts, and there are some pending reviews available on the Tube channel.
I run them on my daily - hence the reason they were developed and a good test bed for teh cheaper front coilovers
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Old 02-05-2018, 04:29 PM   #11
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Well, at least one thread has been updated
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https://www.kaplhenke.com/collection...-960-coilovers

These are also options
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Old 02-06-2018, 02:11 PM   #13
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These are not the options -- these are where my order is pending. Happened that i found them before discovering this board.

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Old 02-09-2018, 11:48 AM   #14
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I run them on my daily - hence the reason they were developed and a good test bed for teh cheaper front coilovers

Do you have any pics of your car with these coilovers installed? Are you running both front and rear coilovers? What is the ride quality like compared to a stock setup? Iíve been saving my pennies for the kaphlenke stuff, but if I can achieve my desired stance for less than half the price from him, Iím very interested in learning more about what youíve got to offer.
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I can take some photos of mine in daylight but its set very high for hammering down rough farm tracks and getting stuffed full of gear. On the shorter version of the kit you can drop it as low as you like.

The reason I went with teh coilovers is I don't like soft suspension and it was a good way to test them out. As its the family car its knocked up a good few miles and the mrs has not complained at all about it.
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Thanks. Iíll probably be placing an order soon.
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As you can see it is set high


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Old 02-12-2018, 09:19 PM   #18
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How did you get the pegs to fit up front? I'm trying to fit tethys to my 960, but it's looking like I'm going to need damn adapter spacers to be able to make them fit without hitting the strut
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How did you get the pegs to fit up front? I'm trying to fit tethys to my 960, but it's looking like I'm going to need damn adapter spacers to be able to make them fit without hitting the strut
Those are Satellites which are either 16x6.5 or 17x7. Those widths probably help.
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Just bolted them on. No clearnace issues with teh 17's
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Old 09-09-2018, 11:17 PM   #21
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Forgotten update -- got my items from Ben, very nice piece of equipment. However some other projects taken earlier have kept me from actual installation. Now found a bit of time and did the rear first.

The aim was - OEM ride height but a bit stiffer and reactive. For the rear ordered Koni pair to work with factory leaf spring. Installed were Boge OEM shocks with just about 200 miles old.

Koni item proved to be 1 cm (25/64) shorter than the stocker:



Had to add some dust boots because having such a product exposed feels much like committing a crime. But after the installation rear height increased by 1.5 cm (19/32), which was a sudden spot on change -- not little, not too much - just exactly what's needed, the car got clearly elated from the mod. First impressions from the ride met the expectations - rear holds the track quite a bit better, rebound controlled and actually now is damping much of the wallowing that comes from the front.

What done by the shop is one of the best cars brought to the 21-st century from good old times, so one may have best of two worlds -- a solid feel of a real car and the design art, and upgrades in the section that is actually got the most advance in car tech.
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Hopefully, updates to the front will follow.

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Old 09-10-2018, 06:09 PM   #22
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What about any beefier control arm bushings as discussed by Poi? Stock bushings are junk and too soft even new. Definitely need something solid that will pivot.
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Yeah, that is also my concern -- asked Ben shop, nothing in production at the moment. A bit harder suspension might extend life of those but this is not a solution. Maybe we need more folks interested to get something moved in this department.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:03 AM   #24
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As far as pulling a control arm goes at least it's fairly easy to pull the 95+ arms. I tried filling the bushings once with the window weld stuff. Did not work. Waste of time.
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New bushing needed as OEM design and material leave a lot to be desired. However found similar topic had been brought up some time ago:

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