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Old 05-24-2022, 05:06 PM   #126
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My local club EESCC arranged and hosted an Evolution Racing School at Sanderson Field last weekend. It was a great learning event and went off smooth as glass. Great instruction, an excellent venue and good weather the entire time. It doesn't get any better than that. I recorded my "Graduation" runs each day so I would have something to remember the whole experience by. I didn't trim Sunday's video so the camera would show just how big Sanderson/Shelton is. This is the first time I have been there. That is EVO instructor Kevin Dietz lining me up at the start. Even though I have been Autocrossing since 1993 I went ahead and signed up for the course. Phase 1 is geared for beginners. Phase 2 is a more advance course meant for those that have been at it for awhile. You can not take Phase 2 without having taken Phase 1 because it builds on ideas taught in Phase 1. There is enough material covered even an advanced Autocrosser can benefit from Phase 1. The hard part for me was just taking it in knowing that the instructors don't know me from Adam and are teaching me a lot of the beginning baby steps on day 1. An example of that is my trail braking all the way into mid corner and then releasing the brake and rolling on the gas. That comes from years of experimentation and practice. Beginning Autocross is taught the same as Road Racing. Hard braking in a straight line, turn in, ease on the gas mid corner and exit. That's great if you can't feel what your car is doing. On day 2 I didn't hear a single comment about my braking or entry. Different instructors on day 2 with a different agenda. They might ask me why I did what I did in a particular section and then were satisfied with my answer. Anyway, I learned some new material over the weekend and am happy I spent the time and money to attend the course. I've been wanting to attend an EVO school since I first heard about them back in 1997. At the end of each day each student makes three runs in their car by themself, no input, while all the instructors watch and take note of how we drove the final course of the day. BTW, day 2 we didn't even get to do a course walk and the course was changed several times during the day. A quick look at a course map they held up was all we got. The whole idea of Phase 2 is Autocross is an intense mental exercise. How well can one quickly adapt to change. Here are my "Graduation" runs from each day.
Phase 1 final exam



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Old 07-04-2022, 06:02 PM   #127
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Back to Evergreen Aviation Museum for another Autocross event with WMC. We had perfect weather. 70 degrees daytime high. Just warm enough for great grip, cool enough for maximum power. I used this event to scrub in my brand new set of Advan A052s so I will be ready for the SCCA National Championship Tour at Packwood, WA next weekend. The Advans did not have much grip the first few runs. It takes a few runs to rough up their slick finish right out of the mold and to scrub off the mold release agent. By my fifth run there were starting to stick fairly well. After this heat cycling and scrubbing they should be very fast next weekend. All 5 of my runs were within .5 seconds of each other. A good indication I am getting to know this car and what it does. I have my work cut out for me at the National Tour. SCCA dumped several B-Street category cars into F-Street this year. Supposedly, my 2019 GT is the same car as a 2019 Shelby GT 350. Yeah, right. Anyway, at least this 2019 GT with the 10R80 is quite a bit quicker than my 2017 6 speed manual car is/was. I'm going to do my best to make life miserable for the 5 Camaro SS 1LEs that were dumped from B-Street into my F-Street class.

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Old 07-06-2022, 06:56 PM   #128
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Question: this doesn't compute for me. Why do this in a flat tamac carpark. If you want tarmac, wouldn't you get a stretch of road with corners and as a club get its closed for the event?...or is it not that easy to do. I only see this done in the US...just wondering
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Old 07-06-2022, 09:21 PM   #129
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There are events like you described as well. They aren’t considered autocross though. This is just how this sport evolved. Parking lots. It’s been a sport in the US since the early 50s. The main reason behind using big parking lots is most the time there’s no obstructions. Therefore, you can drive your car to the limit without fear of hitting anything. We have Autocross events that are in lots that have all kinds of obstructions and possible points for a serious accident and that occasionally happens. The national tour event this weekend is venue that has almost nothing that somebody can hit. It’s an old lumber mill with a gigantic piece of pavement behind the old Mill buildings. At that event I won’t hold back. At the Evergreen Aviation museum racing around those islands and aircraft makes me tone down my driving quite a bit.
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Old 07-09-2022, 03:19 AM   #130
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That's excellent course design for that lot. Kudos to whoever set that up.

Also, one of the bigger reasons autocross tends to not be on a road course is cost. Tracks are very expensive to rent for a day, insurance is considerably higher since you have to meet the track's required minimums, more space means more workers, higher prices means the requirement for more entries. A parking lot can cast $500 for the day, compared to a track that will range from 3-12k/day.

All of those road courses are a business, there's no free lunch to use their track.
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:10 AM   #131
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This^.

Auto cross, 24hr chumpcar & gambler-like events are good budget affordable options in the USA?

But especially auto-x…you can do that with a helmet (I think you can still technically use a motorcycle helmet at many events but they’re often difficult to see out of in a car cabin/somewhat frowned upon?)& basic safety check.
Maybe slightly better tires if anything?

But we’re talking 10s or 100s of dollars and bite sized weekend days worth of time (long day or night before if you set up the course / you’ll be tired?) not 1000s+ per applicant per day with insurance and all in the USA?

Not necessarily a dedicated not-so-street-legal caged/irreversibly modified vehicle & considerable costs per event…

Looks like some clean runs in 2manyturbos vids...hard to tell the speeds & gears exactly?
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Old 07-13-2022, 07:12 PM   #132
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got it, cool!
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