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Qwkswede's 1992 244 daily driver. Back to my rolling roots.

^theoretically, on a boosted car you shouldn't lose any once in boost. 10psi is 10psi at sea level of 6K ft. Might take longer to get there though and might start out idling at 16" vacuum instead of 22" or whatever.
 
^theoretically, on a boosted car you shouldn't lose any once in boost. 10psi is 10psi at sea level of 6K ft. Might take longer to get there though and might start out idling at 16" vacuum instead of 22" or whatever.

Pressure is only part of the story though. At altitude you are starting out with lower air density. Fewer molecules of air into the compressor, engine, and turbine...which is why turbo speeds are higher at altitude.

You need enough altitude margin in the compressor to deal with the change. If you are running near the top of the map at high boost / high turbo speed at sea level, and drive up to 5000 ft keeping your boost pressure set the same, there are a few things that can happen.

The turbo can go into overspeed and fail mechanically. Bad, mmmkay. But even if there's enough margin to stay away from that, you can get up into the area of poor efficiency at higher pressure ratios. The same effect happens here as when you find the boost limit of a given compressor at any altitude. The turbo spins faster but charge air temps increase so much that power plateaus. The whole system - engine, turbo, intercooler - is working much harder but power is only incrementally increasing, if at all.

Higher altitude will have a snowball effect on engine power output because there is much more energy required to make the same boost pressure. Exhaust backpressure goes up, VE goes down, charge air temps go up, knock threshold is reduced. Engine gets hotter and heavily loaded and makes less power.

Granted, if the turbo is matched to the engine and power goals with enough altitude margin at the beginning, then yes - you won't notice much of a difference. This is why modern VW turbo gas engines are so underrated at stock power levels: they have a ton of altitude margin and allegedly don't hardly de-rate at all. The GTI, Audi A4, etc. is what I'm referring to with the 2.0T and now 1.8T.
 
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I love your responses Duder. Thanks for that.

I'll add some practical observations, and I have many many time slips.
I have lived here for a long time, and I can tell you that my cars run almost a second faster in Pueblo at 4800'. And more than 1.5 seconds faster the 1 time I made a trip to sea level in Alabama. Spool time is a big contributor. But power does fall off with altitude despite regulated manifold pressure control via wastegate. Its not as much of a hit as a naturally aspirated car. I can pass with insane speed between 9000 and 11,000 feet when I drive the mountains on my way to skiing and bicycle racing in summer. Those cars really suffer. But I can also tell you that my car struggles to make full boost below 4500 rpm on runs up to the top of Vail pass. Efficiency falls everywhere.

Pressure is only part of the story though. At altitude you are starting out with lower air density. Less molecules of air into the compressor, engine, and turbine...which is why turbo speeds are higher at altitude.

You need enough altitude margin in the compressor to deal with the change. If you are running near the top of the map at high boost / high turbo speed at sea level, and drive up to 5000 ft keeping your boost pressure set the same, there are a few things that can happen.

The turbo can go into overspeed and fail mechanically. Bad, mmmkay. But even if there's enough margin to stay away from that, you can get up into the area of poor efficiency at higher pressure ratios. The same effect happens here as when you find the boost limit of a given compressor at any altitude. The turbo spins faster but charge air temps increase so much that power plateaus. The whole system - engine, turbo, intercooler - is working much harder but power is only incrementally increasing, if at all.

Higher altitude will have a snowball effect on engine power output because there is much more energy required to make the same boost pressure. Exhaust backpressure goes up, VE goes down, charge air temps go up, knock threshold is reduced. Engine gets hotter and heavily loaded and makes less power.

Granted, if the turbo is matched to the engine and power goals with enough altitude margin at the beginning, then yes - you won't notice much of a difference. This is why modern VW turbo gas engines are so underrated at stock power levels: they have a ton of altitude margin and allegedly don't hardly de-rate at all. The GTI, Audi A4, etc. is what I'm referring to with the 2.0T and now 1.8T.
 
I'm using my memorial day weekend to finally swap transmissions. The 70 is holding in there alright. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't broken a hard part. But it does make some eerily loooooong shifts on the 2-3 sometime. Its time to test out the transmission I rebuilt way back in the winter.

Part of my motivation for the drag racing trip on Wednesday was to get some data before my trans swap. Hoepfully the new trans will improve things some.

The last part for the killer trans showed up this week. I had a converter rebuilt by Continental Torque Converters in Los Angeles. I used them for work 25 years ago, and was surprised they were still around. I got the royal treatment done to this baby. Machined for 3 roller bearings, new sprag, tig welded internals, and the biggest change is a different pump installed with negative pitch. I'll post a picture of the converter before the work, and you can see the different fin angles in the stock Volvo converter. Apparently there are quite a lot of interchangeable parts available for these guys if you find someone who knows them. Continental uses the AW converters for cores when building 9" race converters for cars up to 1500hp. So they were the right place for the job.

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They even put my name on it.
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Original AW71 turbo converter with postive pitch pump.

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$500 for all the work shipping included. I'll let you know how the stall speed works out here later today I hope. Its such an unknown quantity behind a 4 cylinder turbo, it will be tough to say for sure but we were shooting for 400rpm higher than stock. There are parts available to go even higher I'm told. I hate laying under Volvos lifting heavy things, so I'll probably just live with what I get for now. I'm not planning to become a pro transmission swapper.

What's the stall and pricing on that bad boy?
 
The transmission swap went well. I just took the car around the block, and it feels very healthy and the shifts are nice and firm. I shortened the accumulator travel, but didn't block the pistons completely solid. I was counting on the red clutches to provide some extra bite without going crazy on the accumulators. It feels great.

The converter stalls to about 2200-2300 range now. I was seeing 1900 before. The current turbo is still way too big, but I am making a little bit of boost against the brakes now. I need the laptop to datalog so i can get a definite answer. I still can't spin the tires against the brakes. I was hopeful that i might be able to lay some rubber, but not entirely surprised at the outcome. I'll address the turbo sizing soon and I think its going to be a nice combination for a daily driver. If I have to pull the engine or trans for any reason in the future, I might send the converter back for even higher stall speed. At the current level it is still very stock feeling when cruising around. With no negative's I don't see why I shouldn't shoot for another 2-300 rpms.
 
One photo from the days work.

I was doing very well with oil messes. Drained the trans, drained the cooler lines, kept the floor pretty clean. But then suddenly oil poured everywhere out of the dipstick. Oh well, auto transmissions are never never empty. No matter how hard you try to drain them.
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Did you find your gas mileage decrease drastically with 3000rpm stall? Even with the current changes, the engine starts making power on tip in much quicker.

I had zero issues driving around a 3500rpm stall in my car a few years ago. The 3000rpm stall I think I was most happy with.
 
Puts a whole new level of context to going off the deep end.

Getting there rather quickly (I am).
 
I made some electronic improvements this last couple weeks. This old car is pretty enjoyable to drive.

Some amplification and low frequency drivers
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I picked up some gauges to replace the factory cassette deck in the top of the dash. I then installed a modern head unit down below. The headunit has bluetooth connectivity for phone conversations, and pandora/spotify/music streaming. I still need to fix that dang clock in the dash.

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My trunk is still 100% usable. The audio equipment doesn't take up usable room in my trunk. I really wanted to know that I can still stuff a bicycle in the trunk if I need to.

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Did you ever come to a resolution with the idle valve?

I turned it off and experimented with the idle timing control as an alternative way to stabilize the idle speed. It works OK. It still needs a little throttle help on cold starts, but that's about it.

I still need to find another idle valve to try. But it is running good enough now that I don't think about it much. Even with the Air Conditioning running and E-fan putting drag on the alternator it doesn't drop the rpms more than about 75-100 rpm.
 
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